Divine Connections: Joseph & Tamara Battaglia’s Faith-Driven Love Story

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at that point, I encounter a Holy Spirit moment So I reach over her shoulder

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and cancel the Uber on her iPhone.

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And you say, well, I was kind of speechless.

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What Happens when God turns an ordinary encounter into a story written in heaven?

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Today's guest, Tamara and Joe Battaglia know that story firsthand.

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Their divine connection began at an event neither planned to attend, a

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moment that changed both their lives.

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\Tamara Hester Battaglia is the author and co-creator of Written in

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Heaven, a 40 day devotional featuring voices like Roma, Downey, Priscilla,

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s Shier, and Karen Kingsbury.

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Her husband Joe is a respected author, broadcaster, and media

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executive president of Renaissance Communications and executive producer

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of Keep the Faith, one of the nation's largest faith-based radio programs.

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His books, including The Politically Incorrect Jesus and Make America

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Good Again, challenge Believers to live in conviction and compassion.

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Together, they share a powerful message about faith.

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Purpose and the way God writes our stories.

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One divine moment at a time.

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Joseph.

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Tamara,

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welcome to Seek Go Create.

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Well, Tim, so good to be with you.

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Good to be with you.

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great for y'all to be here too.

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So here's a question I always have when I have him and her together.

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It's not a trick question, but who's the one that talks first

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usually?

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I do

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Okay, Tamara, I'm gonna ask the first question of you

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see, that was a trick question.

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that was a sort of a trick question.

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Well, and I was, we were sort of joking when we first got started here.

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Y'all are like my second interview this week from Franklin, Tennessee.

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So I don't know when they're gonna air, but, people are gonna say,

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Hey, what are we on like a Franklin, Tennessee streak or something?

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is going on in Franklin?

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Because it seems like everybody's going there.

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I think, I think God's building an army here.

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really?

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it just seems like, more and more people are moving into Franklin, Tennessee,

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and I'm sure there's been a lot of advertising on tourist and, it's rated

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one of the top places to live in the us.

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and I guess that's it pretty much.

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Well, I think more specifically.

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A lot of creatives are moving here.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yeah.

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The Christian film industry.

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Which I've been involved in for the last 20 years.

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a lot of people involved in that industry have moved here,

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like the Irwins of course.

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there are so many other artists from California moving here.

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a lot of people from Hollywood.

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so there seems to be a real attraction here and it's becoming a hub for a lot

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of creative people, in the faith space.

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And so obviously they're coming here, because of the environment

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and the opportunity to be with people of like mind and heart.

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but it really is kind of fun and cool to have all this.

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I just see it all the time.

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It's been a little while since I've been in and around that area, but kinda

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what Tamra said, like there seems to be kind of an army being built and

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I do believe God moves in that way.

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I think that, you know, there's people connected, there's momentum that occurs.

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I'm an engineer by training, so I speak in terms of things like momentum.

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I think there's momentum and, you know, things start

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attracting and things like that.

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What brought y'all to the area?

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'cause I think y'all said y'all been there less than three

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years or something like that.

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So y'all are fairly newer.

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So each one of you, Joe Joseph, you could start each one of you.

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What?

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Why did y'all come there?

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Well, I've been coming down the Nashville area for my whole career.

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I was at the nation stages of the contemporary Christian music industry back

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in the mid seventies, in broadcasting.

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I was on the board of the Gospel Music Association for 20 years.

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and so I've been very familiar with Nashville and the areas around

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here, and I always loved Franklin.

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so it didn't take me much to be convinced to move outta New Jersey

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where I've been my entire life.

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New York metro area, that was my mission field with radio, Christian, radio,

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Christian music, a number of things.

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but then something happened, her, well pick it up from there.

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Well, we met in Nashville.

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We got engaged in Nashville, and we got married here.

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and he also has family here.

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so we just felt like it was a great place to come.

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And, I lived 61 years in Houston with my family, and so it was kind

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of a meet in the middle, Jersey.

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And Houston, we met in the middle.

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Yeah, I did, kidnap her back to New Jersey for several years.

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I wanted to show her the other side of the world, you know?

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what New York was about.

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but then one day she said, how about we consider, moving to Franklin, why don't we

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just rent for a while, see what happens.

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Well, as soon as we got down here, she lived on Zillow and, start

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taking me around to all the new communities that were springing up.

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And, when she set foot in this place in our current home,

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site, she said, this is it.

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You know how women have that nesting gene?

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, that gene was fully expressed.

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and so after two months down here renting, we decided to.

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Make the move and stay and, went back up and sold, my town home,

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in New Jersey and liked the clamp.

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Its, loaded up the van and came to Tennessee.

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up and came to Tennessee like so many other people are doing now.

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it has to be getting a little bit crowded, is

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it?

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I mean,

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Hmm.

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well, maybe a little.

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Well, compared to Houston in New York.

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No, not even close.

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I mean, but I,

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Atlanta

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I'll say moving here, he did give me a list of things like, I wanna be close

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to the city, you know, I wanna be close to Franklin, downtown Franklin.

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And he did give me a few things to look for when we were finding a home.

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Yeah.

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And this is such a cool town.

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it's great.

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It's like, I describe it to people as.

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Living in a Norman Rockwell painting, very similar to that.

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and, how far is Franklin from Nashville Center?

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Oh, 20, 25 miles maybe.

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Yeah.

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close.

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Every time.

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I buzz through Nashville, as we're cruising around in the

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rv, I usually get in traffic.

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But then I'm sitting here in Atlanta right now and I could tell you, last Sunday,

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rode out to the other side of Atlanta.

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Should have been a 45 minute drive to visit my in her eighties.

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And it took two

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hours 'cause it was Atlanta

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on a Sunday.

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Well, yeah.

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going downtown Nashville is becoming like that.

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Yeah.

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we sort of just kinda get comfortable in our places and all.

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But what's fascinating about you two?

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You know, we get some cool stuff, come across our desk with our project.

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We've got here the podcast and I get to talk to people like you guys,

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but y'all obviously are leading the story of you two connecting.

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That is a big part of your story.

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If we wanna get the true sort of vanilla story.

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I'm gonna ask which one of you would tell that, but then if we want to,

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now we are a, you know, we don't bleep things out or anything, so I'll allow

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for the saucy part of the story, but who tells the true vanilla version

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and who could give a little bit with, you know, just a little bit of a

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spice

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maybe?

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well, you know what?

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We, uh,

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we toss it back and forth.

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Mm-hmm.

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oh, well,

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I normally start,

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will, I know when I have the spark

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in spice, I could already,

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well, you'll,

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bit of it.

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you'll get it.

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You're a smart guy, but there's a little bit of sauce and spice in both of us,

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so it may be hard to tell at times.

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So, basically I was, producing an event for my friend Kathy Lee

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Gifford, who I've known forever.

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Kathy and I are long time friends.

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we put it together down here in Nashville.

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It was an event at the Ryman Auditorium, and the night before

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that event, there was another event that was only for the board of this

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organization that sponsored this event.

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So it was a private affair.

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It was not open to the public.

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And then what happened?

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I got a ticket to the event and they, I got a ticket and they, I, I got a ticket.

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I was getting a ticket for the Ryman event, and then I was online

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looking up, who was singing.

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I knew Nicole C. Mullen was singing, and that was the main reason I came.

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And then also to see Kathy, 'cause I knew she was going to be involved in

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it as well, because she had written a song called The God Who Sees.

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And if you've ever heard it, it is a wonderful, amazing song.

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And especially if you're a woman, you'll really relate to this song.

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It's just so beautiful.

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but I was looking up who else was singing to that event at the

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Ryman, and this ticket came up for the night before at dinner.

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And so I bought a ticket.

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I didn't think anything about it.

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And about five minutes later they called me and they said,

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how did you get this ticket?

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And I said, I don't really know.

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I was online and told 'em the story.

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And they said, okay.

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I thought it was just a courtesy call to thank me for getting the ticket.

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Yeah.

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And, well, it, it was not supposed to be sold.

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like I said, it was a private dinner for the board and guests.

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So, she gets a ticket that she was not supposed to.

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So I show up at the event, I bring Kathy, bring her to the back door,

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the stage door, and the guy sponsoring the event, lets her and her assistant

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in and then closes the door.

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Behind them and leaves me out.

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so, okay, I'll just go in the front door like everybody else.

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So, I go in the door, stand in the line, and her sister is in that line in front

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of me and just starts talking with me.

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and then Tammy shows up.

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we go in, you know, I take my place at a table, at the end we all leave, right?

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I'm walking out the door and she and her sister are standing at

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the curb waiting for an Uber.

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And I say, hi ladies.

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may I drive you back to your hotel?

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My car is right here.

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And you say No.

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No.

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I will say one of the reasons I said no is because I had one minute, one

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minute for the Uber to get there.

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I didn't wanna be charged.

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And I also didn't, I felt bad about canceling on the guy

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with only one minute to go.

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I was looking out for the Uber driver.

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Right.

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I, was not looking out.

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answer, very practical

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I of course, was not looking out for the Uber driver.

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He didn't care.

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So,

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I try again and you say, no, no again.

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So at that point, I encounter a Holy Spirit moment or part

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of my New Jersey upbringing.

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So I reach over her shoulder and cancel the Uber on her iPhone.

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And you say, well, I was kind of speechless.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I say, well, now you have to let me drive you home.

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I knew he was a nice guy and everything.

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I wasn't, I had my sister with me and my sister, she actually had surgery on

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her one arm, so she had it in a sling.

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But growing up, she would take up for me and everything and I thought,

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well, if anything happens, she could probably take him one armed easily.

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Yeah.

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She's really tough.

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So I wasn't really worried.

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So we had a nice discussion on the way back to the hotel.

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obviously she Googled me immediately, when she got back to her home.

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Oh my God.

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she was.

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in the police department there, in the Houston area.

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so she's naturally suspicious of, characters from New Jersey, New York.

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she went and checked me out, saw that I was credentialed

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So when I hear stories like this, there's a couple things that come to my

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mind and I think back to when I met my wife I absolutely believe that the hand

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of God moves in situations like this.

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I believe that he equips many of us men to identify the beautiful

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woman that we're supposed to be with,

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There you.

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and we will do incredible things.

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Sometimes not entirely nice or kind like steal somebody's phone and

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cancel an Uber, to make that happen.

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so I, I'm not in any way Joseph, trying to say that you weren't, thinking incredible,

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great thoughts and all that, but my guess is she was just an incredibly attractive

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woman and you just really wanted to know

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her better.

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Correct.

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Sort of, but Well, the fascinating thing is, you know, after we started

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dating, I realized he was not good at Ubers, like ordering an Uber.

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And I thought, I don't even know how you push the button on my Uber

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or even found where to cancel it.

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so the fact that he canceled

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is somewhat of a miracle.

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that true.

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So that's why I say there was something that said do that.

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I wouldn't normally have done that.

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But, like you just said, at times things come over you that.

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You know, maybe God is directing us in those instances where

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he leads us to do things, say things we might not ordinarily.

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And this is the fun part of our stories.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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And then, the next night we see each other at the event, at the Ryman, and

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I'm, you know, sitting in back of her.

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And then you say, what?

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I had a, I had an extra ticket, so I said, you wanna come sit with with me?

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So she stalked me that night.

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I did not make the move on her, so she wanted me to sit next to her.

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And of course I thought about that for a split millisecond.

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you said yes, yes, yes.

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so, something that's fascinating to me.

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when we, observe, notice claim, whatever, that someone has been

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brought together, like you two have, I'd love to hear from both of you.

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what, was God's purpose?

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What was he wanting to accomplish?

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what has it led to, that you can look back and go, you know what,

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this is what God had in mind.

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And it could be just companionship, but I suspect it's more than that.

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what do y'all think it is looking back now, how long has it been?

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where are you

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at now as far as your time together?

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Well, that was November, 2019.

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Okay,

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Right?

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you're, so six plus years, which is, and the world's been through a lot

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during that time, so you've learned a good bit about not just each other,

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but other stuff, so what's the purpose?

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What

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was God thinking?

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Well, certainly we believe he was thinking that this is written in heaven.

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Yeah,

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we have

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good

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to believe,

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into a book we'll talk about here in just a

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right?

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I was, you know, going after the seg, but, you know, maybe you'll continue

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at some other point, but so much happened, to convince us of God's

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intervention and many other ways after that that we could go into.

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But that's up to you on the timing.

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so why don't you tell 'em about the flight to Jersey?

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why don't you begin there and that'll help build the case for why we're together.

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Okay.

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Uh, well, I'm my flight attend.

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Joe, got my digits that night and he probably looked me

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up and didn't find anything.

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but he would send me texts when he was flying and say,

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I am on such and such flight.

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You know, what's for dinner?

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Or, you know, are you gonna be on the flight?

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And I was never on the flight.

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and so he did this for a couple of weeks.

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and then one day I was having, my quiet time with the Lord and I was actually

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taking a walk and I just blurted out, well, God, if you want me to meet

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Joe again, then send me to Newark.

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And he had said, Joe had said, you know, if you're ever in Newark,

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you know, I'll take you to dinner.

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And I said, well, I'm never in Newark.

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I try to avoid Newark at all costs.

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I was from Houston, so I was based in Houston.

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So I would go to Newark and turn around and go right back to Houston.

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And I had not had a layover there in probably four years.

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but on my walk I just blurted out one of those prayers that you pray

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that afterwards you're like, what?

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What did I say?

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that night I went to bed and I was on what we call reserve.

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So I was on 24 hour call.

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So I never knew where I was going or what flight I was gonna be on

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until usually the last minute.

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I didn't have anything on my schedule.

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When I went to bed, during the night, I got up and checked my schedule and I

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had a layover in Newark the next day.

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The next day.

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and I remember looking at my phone and I put it down.

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I was like, I know God, what I prayed, but I've changed my mind.

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I'm not, it's okay.

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I thank you for answering that.

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I appreciate the effort, you know, anyway, he, so I, I, I thought, well,

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you know, God answered this prayer pretty quickly within the le within six hours.

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And so I thought I, I better honor him and follow through.

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So I emailed Joe, didn't hear from him for a little bit, and then I

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was actually closing the door on the plane and, got to my seat and looked

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down and he had said, sure, I'd like to take you to dinner tonight.

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so I flew into Newark and we were supposed to go out and eat and then it was snowing.

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So we chose not to meet, but just do a phone call.

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And what did we talk about?

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well, it was a very awkward conversation.

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I had been, I was married 24 years and divorced, and then I was single

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for 17 years, and his wife, you and I Tell him about your wife.

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Yeah.

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My wife, passed away seven years ago.

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We had been married 37 years.

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Mm-hmm.

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and you know, I wasn't looking.

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I wasn't looking.

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so,

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and it, it was like being in high school.

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It was like 10 minutes of like a high school conversation with

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a boy and a girl, and I'm like, I don't know what to say to him.

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And I could tell he didn't know what to say to me either.

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so we just talked for a few minutes and.

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he asked me if I'd ever marry again and I said, no.

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I said, Jesus is my husband and no, I will never marry again.

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and I was pretty set in that, which God always has a sense

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of humor in my decisions.

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Joe said at one point he said, well, if you ever wanna talk about men, call me.

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And I thought, well, that's the strangest thing I've ever heard anyone say.

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and we hung up the phone and I thought, well, God, I did what

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you, I thought you asked me to do.

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but I really thought at that point that there wasn't any kind

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of relationship or anything.

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fast forward a few weeks, I was moving in with my daughter.

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She was getting ready to have a baby, and I thought I'd be like a nanny slash

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flight attendant for her and her husband.

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So I thought I'd move in with them.

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I was selling my home and I was going through, memories and boxes

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and I got really emotional and really started thinking about my life.

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And I remember what he said, 'cause it was such a random thought.

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And so I sat down and wrote him an email and just said, well, here's my story.

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And I wrote down my story.

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And I think because he was in Newark, I, it was more comfortable for me to

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share my story with him and not, I didn't think anything would ever happen.

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so he sent me an email.

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He said, well, let's talk tonight.

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So he called me.

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And it was interesting, that conversation was like two old friends talking.

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he was sharing with me his journey.

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I was sharing with him my journey.

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there was tears.

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And at the end he said, well, can I pray for you?

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And I said, sure.

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And he begins to pray for me, this blessing over me.

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and it was like Jesus said, I just felt like Jesus was saying,

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you need to hear these words and you need to receive these words.

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and he just wrote, he just had this beautiful prayer that he prayed over me.

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I went to bed that night and I had, when I got in bed, I started writing down.

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I was trying to remember everything he said 'cause I

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thought, I need to reread this.

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I need to read this blessing again.

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That he, he said, I woke up the next morning and he had sent me an email.

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And in the email he had written down everything he had prayed.

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so I felt like that was a pretty strong God wink as well.

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So we decided maybe we should go and have dinner, which we did, in January.

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a few months, no, a month later then.

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'cause by that time it was December, right?

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So we, I had to be in, LA on business and I just happened to be in LA too,

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not, I never am in la but I had some friends that were there, they were

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RVing and her husband had gotten sick and nobody was there for them.

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And so I was flying out to meet with her and so I was gonna be there.

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So I said maybe we can actually do that dinner.

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So, picked a nice restaurant, 'cause I've been in LA a number of times

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and, it's a few nice places to hang out there if you want a nice dinner.

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And so we had dinner that night and it was just a wonderful time together,

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that night, in the following day.

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then what, did you come, oh, you came to New York?

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No, I went to the Arc. Oh, what?

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Yes, I invited her.

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get the

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Get the source right?

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Yeah.

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I always get it backwards.

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one of the things I do, patterns of Evidence is a filmmaking product

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that my friend Tim Mahoney, does.

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He's a producer and he is created these beautiful, movies, about Israel and the

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life of the early Jews and the Exodus.

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And you may be familiar with some of his movies.

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I helped Tim produce panels afterward 'cause he always aired them Un fathom.

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With their theater, productions.

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and so I was in charge of creating an after movie panel of experts talking

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about what they just saw as added value for the distribution of the movie

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that Fathom does for its, clients.

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And so I produced a couple of those for Tim and I was producing another one on

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his, I think it was the Red Sea Miracle.

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Mm-hmm.

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and he was gonna do it at the Arc, which you're probably familiar

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with, and a lot of your, viewers.

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and I was in charge of, again, putting together the panel of experts.

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And so I asked, my buddy Todd Starns to moderate.

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I invited Kay Arthur, Janet Metford, who is a talk show

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host, and a few other people.

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And I told her, this is what I am doing.

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And she said, I love Kay Arthur.

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I've done all her precepts.

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And I said, well, why don't you fly out and meet us in Cincinnati?

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'cause then it's a short ride over to the ark in Kentucky.

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And she said, okay.

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And she went with me.

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she flew in.

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we met at the hotel, got her a room and along with us, with the team

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there, and then went on the, the bus.

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There was a, a van that enabled us to go there.

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and so, she was there.

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Had a lot of fun.

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met Kay Arthur, who really loved her.

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She was just walking around holding her arm.

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and so I had to leave the next day, for work.

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I left.

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Ken was going, going to take everybody on a personal tour of the

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Arc, Ken Ham, who of course runs it.

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and so she stayed for that.

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I thought that was cool.

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And met Tim Mahoney there, right?

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and his wife Jill.

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and they're wonderful people.

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And why don't you pick it up from there?

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Tim was producing his, movie, the Red Sea Miracles, and they asked me because

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Jill and I just, it was like two people meeting each other and just knowing

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that you were supposed to be sisters.

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In Christ, but I mean, it was just like a draw.

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so we became really fast friends and she asked me if I would help her at

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this, convention called NRB, which is the National Religious Broadcasters.

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And I said, sure.

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You know, I'd love to, you know, I was off that week.

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I was like, sure, I'd love to do that with you.

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I came home and I am sharing with him what I'm doing.

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And what do you say?

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I said, oh, NRB, I've only been there for 50 years and I'm on the board,

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They have a

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a

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plaque.

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name's on the wall,

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Well, I do have a few awards he's been given, and so, unknown to

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her, that was my top convention that I, I've gone to since 1975.

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And so he brought her there.

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To once again hang out with me.

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Um, that's, you know, a providential miracle meeting number five at this point.

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And so

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when you're the age that we are all at, I don't know that

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this term, were you dating,

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were you

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interested?

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Were

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you boyfriend girlfriend,

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What

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Well, we were

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just

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of kind.

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I mean, we were, we were kind.

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I don't think we were boyfriend and girlfriend at that time.

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I think we were still kind of being cautious.

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he hadn't met my friends, he hadn't met my family.

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she hadn't met, my daughter or my staff We just liked each other,

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liked being with each other, and she liked the fun things I did.

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She liked my world, which I think is important.

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Yeah,

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So sounds like

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cautiously optimistic and taking

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steps just to see where it led.

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Yeah.

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Uh, both optimistic, not looking for the, uh, I, the, the

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reason it's fascinating to me,

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my wife and I just celebrated our 37th anniversary and we, we don't really

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have discussions like, you know, well, what would happen if something

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happened to one of you and all that.

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But I, I, I, every once in all have, could be a odd dream or something.

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It's like, man, I, you know, dating now

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Mm-hmm.

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don't, I wouldn't know what to do.

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Just like y'all said the first phone call, it's like, I don't even know

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what to say or any of that kinda stuff.

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So that's the reason.

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It's sort of fascinating.

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so at what point did y'all say, okay, we're a couple,

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let's commit.

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Okay.

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I mean, y'all are moving in

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that direction, it sounds like.

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Well, right after NRB, the country shut down With COVID

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Ooh,

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months.

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Yeah.

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You know what?

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I went to a podcasting conference down in Orlando, March

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6th, eighth,

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Probably the last week you could do anything.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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yeah.

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And so the fun thing is, while at NRB we'd hang out and we'd be having lunch one day,

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and three of my friends would walk by, uh, female friends who would say, something's

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going on here, there's something here

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They

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know.

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They know.

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and so the relationship was being, corroborated by.

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Others who had a sense of what God was telling them when they saw us together.

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They were

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coming in agreement

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And his, the wonderful thing for me is that I, I've been very cautious

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person, very, very cautious.

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And for me to see women that truly respected him and really were just,

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they were like his sisters and they just really, you could just tell that there was

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a great love and affection for, for him.

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And you know, it's kind of rare, I mean, for women to be, to respect

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someone as deeply as I could tell these women respected him.

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So he didn't realize that for me, I was really taking note of that.

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It was a very rare, you could just see the love and the respect and, really

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the caring, they really cared about him.

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So NRB is over.

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We go back to our respective places.

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The country shuts down.

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She's not flying, I'm not producing anything.

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I was doing a lot of promotion on Christian movies back then.

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Well, obviously no movies were happening, so we just talked to

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each other every day and FaceTimed each other for four months, and that

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grew into a really cool friendship.

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And then it was time to decide.

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Fisher Cut bait.

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Really?

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Did you actually say that?

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Did I say

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that?

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mouth?

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Did I say fish or no?

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I

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I don't think so.

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Things are looking great.

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And then, okay, it's time to fish or cut

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bait.

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Come on.

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You know, but one thing about being separated for four months.

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It was great 'cause there was no, it was just like two friends

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visiting with each other.

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And really it grew our relationship, but also we started doing, we took the

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love language test to see what our local language was, and we took other tests to

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see, you know, how compatible we were.

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and so that was a great opportunity to kind of just sit back and go, you

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know, let's, let's just see, you know?

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If we really are compatible and,

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You know,

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and we were,

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one thing during that time that I observed was that it was a time that

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people got more still and quiet.

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Then most of us had ever been, my wife and I looked at each other, you

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know, speaking of God doing things.

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We said were not sure why after we went to Bible school for a

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couple years in Colorado, why he told us to move into an rv.

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then the world shuts down and we're socially distanced already.

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And we look at each other, we go, Hmm, this is kind of

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interesting and fascinating.

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And so you're quiet and still, because I don't, I'm not sure that

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in the day to day y'all would've had the opportunity to develop a

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relationship that rapidly

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Mm-hmm.

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Correct.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So when we spoke twice a day, there was nothing for me to do.

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So I'd go for walks in the afternoon, same with her.

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And then at night, there was nothing really to do at home, work-wise.

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So we talked again and, by the summer in June, we felt, both felt that it

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was time to make, a decision here.

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And, the first thing was for her to come see, my, daughter, who by that time was.

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30, but she, she was about 30, 30, 31, had a great job in New York

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City and pretty sharp young lady.

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my daughter did not like me wanting to go out with anybody prior to that.

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and my staff who have been with me for many, many years,

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since the eighties, yeah.

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they all loved her.

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And so, that convinced me that, others feel the same way about her as I felt.

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And then it was time for me to go down to Houston and meet her

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family, and we had a good time.

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So one thing odd about these situations, my wife and I in our

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forties lived in a retirement community.

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We had people around us halfway between Atlanta and Augusta.

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And, one of the things we observed is there were a few couples that were mature.

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You know, at the time I would've said they were old.

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Now I would say they're just, they were just mature I'm their age now.

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and we noticed that a few couples that had been.

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Separated or had deceased spouses or whatever were

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interacting, coming together.

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And a few of them, their grown children were excited.

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Some were worse than not excited.

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So I bring that up to say, harmony.

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Everybody good with it?

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See, I couldn't grasp that because I'm like going, okay, these are adults here.

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This is, you know, or PA or just interacting with someone.

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They're playing golf.

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Where we were, it was a golf community.

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It's like, come on.

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everybody's good

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with it.

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Well, so my daughter and son-in-law, they were fine with it.

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you know, my daughter had just had a baby and so I did get to, babysit the baby.

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I took care of her for the first five months and I've been very fortunate to

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be able with my job, to be able to go see them quite a bit like every other month.

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but the fascinating thing was the night of the rehearsal dinner, so to speak.

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We had dinner with everybody, the whole family.

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And I was like, oh, I don't know that's gonna go.

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but our daughters are both very independent.

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My daughter's A-O-B-G-Y-N.

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His daughter is in advertising and she manages a team of people.

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And, so they're very much alike.

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They're very different, but they're very much alike.

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And so they hit it off so well that I looked at Joe at one point

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and I thought, I don't think we're ever gonna get a word in edgewise.

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I mean, it was fascinating to watch that they just, so that was

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another beautiful thing for us.

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'cause I know, I understand what you're saying is like, I don't know,

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this might go one way or the other.

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So that was a great blessing and a, and a great comfort.

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Yeah.

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And we just got through in May going on a big family.

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we went to Rosemary Beach with the whole family, so it was just great fun.

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Yeah.

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And I think one last thing we can say on this story that puts a bow in it,

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when it was time to propose, Yeah, we met with some friends in Colorado, with

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Ken and his wife Ken was the, president of Promise Keepers back then, good pal.

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And, you know, they were wondering, well, what's next for you guys?

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And his wife happened to say, well, you know, I'm a jewelry

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broker, diamond broker, a diamond broker, even better, even better.

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And a few weeks later, she sent me this beautiful diamond

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and the price that she gave me was incredible.

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so now I have a ring

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and an incredible price to give to her.

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so I called Kathy.

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We were, Tammy and I were meeting in Franklin again for an event I was doing.

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And so I called Kathy, who lives here in Franklin, Kathy Lee.

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I said, Hey.

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I've got the ring I'm gonna propose, how about we come over and you wanna

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have some fun with this, with her?

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And, and Kathy's always about having fun.

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So, we, went over just on the pretext that we were just gonna say, hi,

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so on cue she starts singing the Beyonce tune, put a ring on it.

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So you have Kathy Lee Gifford singing that song to you.

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and I get down my knee and propose, she of course, says yes.

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and then Kathy starts taping this on her iPhone, filming it,

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and asking us questions as if she's interviewing us on a show.

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course,

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So we have about 15, 20 minutes of the proposal, the interview.

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and that has how we got engaged.

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Hmm.

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So.

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Well, I love all of that.

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I want to ask one more question about that, and then I want to talk

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a little bit about industry and written in heaven and a few things

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like that, some books and things.

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one of the things that we don't shy away from here at Seat Go Create is

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the tough things and the challenges.

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What's been the biggest challenge up to this point?

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I mean, this is a, you know, we've.

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Told a great story and it's awesome.

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I'm sure every day is awesome, but this is also, you know, bringing together a couple

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of families and there's work and there's situations and, you know, sometimes when

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we're of a certain age or even younger, we could sort of be set in our ways.

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I'm not asking y'all to air out dirty laundry, but each one of you

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give just maybe a challenge that, you know, can make this to people.

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Well, frankly, this has been rather easy and fun.

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It is, frankly, I think because God puts us together, we both have a

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respect for what marriage is about.

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we understand the covenant that goes with it, that whatever I

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do to you, you do is done to me.

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So the way we treat each other is the way we reflect ourselves.

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And I think people have to understand that the oneness that embodies

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Christian marriage, biblical marriage is that you realize that the trinity

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and marriage is the only place in the universe where plural is singular.

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So when they see one, they see the other and vice versa.

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Right.

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So I think we came at it from, because we're older, we,

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We

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yeah.

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mature.

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both been through, I mean, the, I went through the bad

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circumstance of losing my wife.

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Right.

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and I learned a lot of things during that where you serve somebody and

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you learn about your own selfishness.

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Well, you know, normally you get into a marriage and you

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find out about your selfishness.

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So, I think the idea of, what we learned, we really don't have a whole

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lot of issues and problems because.

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We're just having a great time, and after five and a half years, it still is that

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we're, I think, we're both very grateful, for the Lord bringing us together.

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I mean, we could have never orchestrated this ourself.

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and I laugh because I'm a flight attendant, so I'm pretty easygoing.

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You see a bunch of junk right?

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Yeah.

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I was like, eh,

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whatever.

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Um, Joe was such a unique individual because

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most gentlemen would have a lot harder time, adjusting to life with

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a new person, letting go of the past.

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it was fascinating to me how he was able to just.

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Adapt.

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obviously he had hard moments but, he had this beautiful spirit about him he was

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ready and I can't even say enough about him, about how he just went with it.

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And I mean, I've had a lot of friends that, you know,

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theirs has knock on as well.

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yeah.

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it's been quite the struggle because you've had such a past

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with other people and it's hard to let go of the past sometimes.

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And I think for me, I had been single long enough that God had healed me.

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I think it's very important when you go into a marriage that you need to be

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healed from whatever your past has been.

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It's very important.

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And, so I was very grateful.

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So that you don't, bring that

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into the relationship

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yeah.

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So at, at some point, you, you looks like you made the decision to do some writing

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or collaborating or working with someone.

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te tell me how that started, the impetus of it.

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'cause, 'cause writing, I mean, I've written some things, I've written

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a novel and other things like that.

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Write writing is, uh, I don't wanna say it's hard.

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It,

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it actually is hard.

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It's hard.

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did that, how did that

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come about?

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well, when, Joe and I, were merging all of our belongings and, our

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lives and our many, many books.

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We had a bookshelf that I had put together that was all of our female author friends.

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And some were my friends.

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I mean, some were books that were people that I had that women that had inspired

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me, and many of them were his friends.

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And so it was just a shelf with all these many different women of the Lord that

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have amazing ministries and just have really blessed my life through the years.

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and I was up on a ladder dusting, which, you know, that doesn't happen too often

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on a ladder, but so with my end dust and my microfiber cloth, and I'm dusting and

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I'm thinking, you know, I had never heard of some of these authors that he had, you

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know, friends of his that were female.

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I was like, I've never even heard their stories.

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And then knowing Joe, I've met them and I was just so inspired and just

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they were riveting, their stories, how God had done things in their life.

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And it really moved me, moved my heart.

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and I thought, gosh, wouldn't it be great if we could put 'em all in one book?

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and then that way you could read 40 different women and their stories, how

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God had walked them through a hard time or given them a miracle or an angel that was

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brought into their life, that they knew that this person had had to be an angel.

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there's just so many different stories, of their journey

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with their walk with the Lord.

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At the same time, my daughter was having a baby, another baby.

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And, every morning I would read, Psalms 1 39, 13 through 19, where it says All

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of my days were written in God's book and planned before a single one began.

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And, I would just sit there and wonder how this precious little baby, how God would

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walk through their life and ordain their steps just like he had done in my life.

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there's many times in my life I've had some wonderful times in my life, and

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I've had some really hard times in my life and many times in my life it's

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been a mystery to me why God did what he did, for the good and blessings or

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not, and I think we all have that in our life where we wonder why God did

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this or why did this have to happen.

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it's beyond our understanding.

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But, because it said written and I just thought written in heaven, and then

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also Luke 10 20 says, rejoice because your names are written in heaven.

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and I just thought that was a beautiful verse.

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And so that's how it became, and that I thought his story, our lives, 'cause

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it's his story, our lives are his story.

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So how did the compilation occur?

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Was it, this is a little bit of a technical thing.

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Did you interview, did you write, did you have them c have them?

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I did.

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I'm curious about that.

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Sure.

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I wrote my own story and, and then we wrote down a list of women that, I

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really was wanting to be in the book.

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as we reached out to them, some could do it, some couldn't.

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some were in the middle of writing their own books, so they could

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not contribute to the book.

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Many of them are his friends and many of them really love him, respect him,

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and they were more than willing to write their story, because of their

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relationship with him and how much they,

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respect him.

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was this the F I'm assuming this was kind of the first project for you,

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Oh, absolutely.

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that?

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Yeah.

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I, so he went to the pub.

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We were, we had a meeting with the publisher for his book, and

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he mentioned to the publisher, said, well, my wife's got an idea.

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Why don't you share it with him?

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And I'm like, what?

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a promoter.

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Yeah, just always, always promoting,

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Right.

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and I just said, well, it's called Written and heaven, his story, our

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lives, and this is what it's about.

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And he goes, I love it.

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Let's do it.

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And I was like, okay.

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So it got her the book deal.

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but the fascinating thing,

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he's a journalist.

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there,

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Yeah.

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But Joe's a journalist, so God prepared me with a guy that

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could help me with all of it.

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And, we began, reaching out to these women and, and, receiving their stories.

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And what was fascinating was is the women that we reached out to once

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they contributed their stories, and I got to looking at all the

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stories, everyone was different.

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Everyone was unique.

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and we had every, almost every life situation in this book.

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Every single, I mean, it was just crazy.

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And I don't know if you can see some of the names, are Roma Downey, Karen

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Kingsbury, Priscilla Shire, Sheila Walsh, Lisa Robertson, Jen Lily, Nicole

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Crank, Lauren Green, Michelle Pilar.

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Patty Reed, Kim Rabble.

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There's just, I just such an array of women in this book.

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And then also, I just can't even say enough about their stories.

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I mean, God just wove this book together and all the stories to where

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whatever you're going through in life, someone in this book has already gone

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through it, and you can see how God worked it all out for good for them.

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Did you learn anything about yourself, Tamara, while you're

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compiling and putting this together?

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it's difficult.

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as the author, what'd you learn about yourself?

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Ooh.

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well, I, I'm learning I can do hard things.

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This is my fifth interview, and this is my first time doing any kind of interviews.

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So I am, I'm learning how to present myself, I guess I should say.

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a lot of prayer.

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A lot of prayer.

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'cause I wanted to honor and glorify the Lord.

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And I really, I love the women in this book.

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And, I love their stories.

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And we're all on a unique journey called Life.

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And God wrote my story so different than your story.

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and so it was truly an honor to do this even though it was hard.

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But like I said, God gave me an incredible man that could help me.

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And I will say this, a lot of the women are authors anyway, so we

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really didn't have to edit too much.

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it's really wonderful to see that these women, we didn't really have to do much

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to their story or even help them with it.

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'cause it just all fell, it all fell together quite easily for me.

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this is the hard part, doing the interviews for me.

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Yeah.

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'cause, 'cause, 'cause, 'cause,

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I'm grilling you.

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I'm

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No, you're not grilling me at all.

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No, this is,

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so, Joseph, one of the things that popped to me, this might be my last question,

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we'll see, we're buttoning up against time here, but how cool you've, you've worked

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with a lot of people, you've done a lot of stuff, you've had a long and rich career.

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How, how cool is it?

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'cause I know you were involved with the project.

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Your name isn't on it, but I know you're involved.

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How cool was it working together on a

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project like this?

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I think it's one of the best things I've ever done, really.

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I, I,

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and it would not have been possible without him

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I don't think that's bull.

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I mean, I'd call Bull if I thought it

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Right.

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I

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don't think that's bull.

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Because it's not about me.

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Hmm.

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I think it's fun when we go outside of ourselves, to do

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something, to lift others up.

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And I think that's part of what we miss in our culture, right?

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particularly when it's someone like her who

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never had anybody to affirm her abilities, her gifting, what she could do.

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So now we come together, in this providential way,

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and I see something in her.

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My job is to disciple her, I think that's a good representation of what God asks.

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the man to do, in this relationship.

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and the fun thing was watching her grow

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from, I can't even talk to the publisher about this 'cause what's he gonna think?

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Or what if he doesn't like it, you know, from a hesitant, unknowing of what is her

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capability to someone who just carried on pretty good conversation with you.

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and I've seen her grow just in these three, four interviews that we've done.

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you know, confidence and articulation and.

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You're ready with the answer because the idea is that you can't plan well enough

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because the most important things and the most articulate things usually happen not

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because you've written it out and read it, but by God and through the Holy Spirit

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speaking through you at the appropriate time for what is on your heart to say.

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And this is the enjoyable thing that I, that's why I just kind of, I'm

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sitting back, grinning because I see God working and that's one of the most

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important things that we could have.

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You know, even after all the things I've done, as you alluded to, and all the

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programming I've created and all the interviews and all the whatever programs

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I've produced, you never get tired.

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Of seeing God work in the right way in someone's life.

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It's like, you know, hearing a testimony, you never get tired of that.

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At least I don't, because I think if you keep the awe in that, then that

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spreads out into the relationship.

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And, I think it's a way of honoring, you know, her and the, the more I build her

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up, I build myself up again, going back to that, principle that I mentioned earlier.

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Anything I say to her and do to her is a self-reflection.

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Yeah,

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So.

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What's interesting is that

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I obviously talk a little bit, Joseph, you talk a little bit, see in my mind.

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Being a flight attendant is the hardest thing of all three of the

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people sitting here in this call.

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Y'all fly.

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I am going good, gracious these people.

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that is one of the hardest things ever.

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So is, this is pretty easy, but I do love how preparation, you mentioned

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how just kind of stepping out and doing something and we started this

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conversation with someone doing something, you know, sticking their

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neck out, an Uber ride type thing.

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And I do believe that things are, that extraordinary effort

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is rewarded and especially when there's a faith component behind it.

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And so I think that's cool.

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What is next for Joseph and Tamara?

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Just something cool.

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Each one of you that you have that's just coming up on the horizon.

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We're getting by day by day.

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it.

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I have, plenty of things that I still wanna write.

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Oh, the business Bible?

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Oh, well the Business Bible is our biggest project.

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Yeah.

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I don't know if you've ever even heard about that.

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Hmm.

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it's an incredible, it'll be the next big product you hear about

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when we launch later next month.

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you very rarely get to work on a Bible project of this caliber where

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a friend of mine and I sat down for a year and a half scoured scripture and

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he, former Wall Street guy who found 100 biblical principles in scripture

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that they use on Wall Street in finance and investing and so forth.

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So, it is in the NASB version, with all these principles and everything.

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think topical Bible.

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there'll be an AI component to the app.

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Of correlating biblical principle to news of business news of the

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day that we get through Bloomberg, wall Street Journal and so forth.

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And the AI component of helping you understand how to apply that principle

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to your everyday business, language.

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This is a legacy project.

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I think this is rather cool and that's what I have my eyes, on right now,

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along with a few other, book projects.

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'cause I really want to write, that's how I enjoy the most.

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So for me, that's that.

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and you, my dear, I'm just promoting the book.

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Well, and

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having fun doing

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it.

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Right.

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Yeah, I am.

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I'm getting there.

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This is a little out of my, you know, comfort zone.

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So I'm really happy to

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gonna, I'm

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rely on the Lord.

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tell us where we can find it and where people can get the

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book.

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you can get it on Amazon and it is in Barnes and Noble.

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It is a part of the Choice Books.

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Uh, I'm not really sure where all they are, but my understanding is there's

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the little, um, uh, well, the rack chop round with all the devotionals on it.

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Yeah, the rack chops.

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Yeah.

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You know, in stores.

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I meant they're supposed to be everywhere.

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like

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Yeah.

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CBD carries it too.

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Christian book, and then everybody and Target, Walmart.

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The usual places.

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The thing that I love and we've done some work with authors from Broad streete.

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Man, I love the way they.

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Publish and the books just feel so good So, that is excellent.

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Well, thank you both for joining me and, and definitely when this

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next project comes out, Joseph, I might want to talk about that.

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I mean, we're, we're business and leadership here primarily, so

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this is a great, great topic for our people, for our listeners.

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I appreciate both of you.

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It's been a great conversation.

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I love the story and I love God preparing the two of you to come together and it's

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kind of why I was really intrigued by what God is preparing you for in the

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future because I believe there's big things there, so congratulations for that.

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We are seek go create here.

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It's been a great conversation here.

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We're on YouTube, we're on all the podcast platforms.

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We release every Monday, and so I thank you all for joining me here.

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Until next time, thank you for joining us here at Seek.

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