From Ninja Turtles to Ancientz: Howard Chang’s Journey of Creativity, Faith, and Purpose

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one of my friends told me, if you're gonna fail, fail quickly.

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Don't sit there for five, ten years, failing slowly,

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and then your life passes by.

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So that hit me.

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And there's a thin line between what's right and wrong when you say fail quickly.

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But the benefit is, it's true.

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You learn so much and after, two decades of failing a lot of things

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and a couple things went well.

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But the more you fail, the more you grow,

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Can peak success leave you empty and take 12 years to discover what truly matters?

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Howard Quigley Chang designed Teenage mutant Ninja Turtles, walked away at the

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height and now creates ancient biblical heroes, reimagined as futuristic warriors.

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For the next generation, we'll explore creativity and calling, building a

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business rooted in faith and why culture needs conviction over compromise,

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grounded in purpose, and faith.

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Howard, welcome to Seek, go Create.

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Hey, thanks for having me out.

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Great, great to have you too.

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We are, I'll, I'll go and set the stage.

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You and I are recording this on a Saturday morning.

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I'm on the East Coast, you're on the West Coast.

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And, nothing that I'd rather be doing than having a conversation like this.

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I tell you what, I think we're gonna have fun.

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I've been, I've been looking at your name as I've been doing research and all this,

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and we've got Howard, you know, kind of a, I don't know, Anglo-Saxon type name,

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Quigley nickname, Australian ish sounding.

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that movie quickly down under.

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And then Chang, which is obviously Asian, you know, background.

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I mean, there's a lot of culture coming together in that name.

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Give me a little origin story or something just to, just to

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gimme some background there.

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Well, I'm multicultural in many different ways.

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born in Korea, I came when I was six years old, so I can say I'm purely American.

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Went through the whole kindergarten system.

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so I'm here and, my name, was Howard Chang since I was a kid.

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I grew up with that.

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And then my first job, which is what led me to designing Ninja

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Turtle toys for almost a decade.

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I just went, it was supposed to be a summer job, before I started college.

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And my old bosses, who I still hang out with, I still talk to

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them after 35 years, 36 years.

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they didn't like the fact that I was gonna quit to go to college.

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And, uh, they really wanted me to stay and they were upset about it

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and they told me, you don't quit.

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We fire you Howard.

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Your fire didn't sound good.

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So the next day he came back after watching the Jetsons and saw a

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character named Quigley being fired.

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And then he came over and said, your name's Quigley 'cause I fired you.

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So that's it.

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Stuck for 36, 37 years.

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That's funny how nicknames do that because I mean, I don't, this sounds judgy.

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You don't really look like a quigley.

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I don't know what a quigley should look like.

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I.

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Yeah.

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And no man, that didn't come across right.

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No.

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You, you look a lot like Tom Selleck.

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No, I wa I also want to, I want to, I wanna, I wanna say this too.

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We have, we have a lot of audio listeners, but we also have even more

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growing over on the YouTube channel.

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So if you are an audio listener, this might be an episode where you

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want to jump over to YouTube over, over Howard's right shoulder a big

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poster of, a Ninja turtle there.

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And then also a lot of other, things that we're gonna be talking about soon.

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So, I'm just gonna say that as we get started, and we'll possibly come back to

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that later, but how, how, I gotta say, I said this right before we hit record.

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We came up with this name Seek Go Create.

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Years ago it was, it was three words that I believe the Lord gave

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me in a very tough time in my life, and they have a lot of meaning.

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Obviously they have scriptural reference and things like that, I

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told you this There may not be anyone that exemplifies or whatever is

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like a model for those three words then your life seek, go, and create.

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When I say that, what comes to your mind?

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do you agree with that?

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Well, that's exactly what I'm doing.

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I'm seeking, I'm creating, I'm going, I don't know where I'm going, but I

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know I'm going in the right direction.

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I'm pretty sure I am and I'm gonna keep to it.

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So the reason I bring it up and the reason that became important for me

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is I used to be like a go and then figure things out along the way, and

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the Lord kind of told me, no, I need you to pause and spend some quiet time.

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It sounds like a lot of your creativity, a lot of your ideas, I know we'll talk

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later about ancients where it came from dreams, but let's even go back to the days

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when you were starting and you were in that hot commodity of the Ninja Turtles.

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how important was for you to pause before you began?

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Or were you just like a, just go and start creating guy?

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growing up, I guess throughout my youth and childhood, I was always

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the best artist in class and people would ask me to draw things and I

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was always win the competitions.

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And, even during college I was, kind of teaching the teacher how to.

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Do certain things.

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So it just came natural to me.

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everyone used to always say God gave you a gift.

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back then, I didn't know what that meant, but I just took it.

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Right.

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So, when I got into the job, like I said, right after high school, it

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was a summer job when I went in, you know, I just started going at it.

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I didn't know what I was creating because the Ninja Turtle toys came

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out the year, like less than a year before I started drawing for them.

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it came out in 1988 and in 1999 I was already on the team designing turtles for,

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a company called VA Studios, which was a. contract company doing the toy designs.

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And, you know, I had a lot of fun and you can tell, and other podcasts

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about the turtles, people were always commenting about all the little details.

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No, no two legs looked the same.

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No two arms looked the same.

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They had something on there that looked different.

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And what we realized decades later was that the Ninja Turtle franchise was one

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of the most popular, toy lines in history.

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And, I kind of left the whole design art creative scene.

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I got burnt out literally out after eight years of doing it, and I took a

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whole, you know, different sabbatical doing business apps and running

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manufacturing, things like that.

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But when I came back and visited Comic-Con after a long, absence.

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Man, there were fans who were in their forties still wearing the turtle shirts.

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And what I realized was the nostalgia that the whole fan base, what you see

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today are people who grew up with these toys and they can never let it go.

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Or They still have their collection and you know, there are certain fans out there

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who love things and there are fans that are out there who love, love, love things.

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And the people who really love things know the details of everything.

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Who created it?

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Who designed it?

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What?

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What year was it manufactured?

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What year was it released?

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They know all the details.

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And those are the fans that are at Comic-Con.

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And you know, when you go to Comic-Con, it is not a show that

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you can pay that day and walk in.

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it is like $400 to get a ticket.

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These are some serious people who, and it is always packed, sold out.

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It's incredible.

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the San Diego Comic Con, at least that's the giant original one.

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To meet all these people.

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And what I realized was it will get to it later, the timing of everything.

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You know, I grew up with, star Wars toys, star Wars made from Kenner, and, the toys

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were just a part of the franchise, but the main thing was the movies, right?

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ninja Turtles, Kevin Eastman, Peter Lair from Maine.

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They made a bunch of comic books that did well in their region.

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And it was a pretty much a big gamble by Playmates toys to come out with this.

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And then it was, it still is widely successful, right?

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And, That's one of the toy lines where I feel the toys made the

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ip, you know, be, you know, beyond the story and everything else.

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The imagination and the timing, again, what I realized today, there is so many

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people out there suffering from, you know, just mental illness, mental, stress.

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back then when I was designing turtles, the word depression didn't really exist.

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There was no such thing as a DHD, like when people have A-D-H-H-D,

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but back then they call 'em stupid.

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right?

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And then depression, you're sad, you can't get over it.

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But the whole mental health issue today, I feel like people are more in tune with it.

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I was bullied a lot as an Asian American living in America and I was the only Asian

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in my school, so I understand it, but, you deal with it, you get through it, right?

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And then times change.

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But if you look at today how the world is and people, I meet them at

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Comic-Con everywhere else, it's tough, you know, with the whole, polarization

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of America, the people just fighting and they hate each other for what

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they believe is right or wrong.

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and the people when they look back, one thing that gave 'em happiness

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was the Ninja Turtles was the toys.

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That's the nostalgia.

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they wanna go back to that time when they were happy.

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Nothing mattered.

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Politics didn't matter.

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Relationships didn't matter.

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All you cared about is having that ninja turtle, the Donatello right in your hand.

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And I feel like, this is one time in history where.

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people do suffer a lot.

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They go through a lot of confusion and depression, and when they hold a toy,

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it brings them back to their happy times

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it is fascinating, the nostalgia part of it.

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I was about to come outta Georgia Tech in that timeframe, starting my work, and

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so I didn't have a real awareness of, you know, the teenage Ninja mutant Turtles.

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And then our kids weren't born until a few years later, so

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we kind of missed that gap.

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But I mean, I was aware of them and from a cultural standpoint, were big.

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did you have an awareness, looking back at how big it was and you just mentioned

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how big it obviously still is for

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Yeah.

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I mean, when you're in those bubbles, think sometimes we can

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think it's bigger than it is.

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What was your perspective as you were in the midst of it?

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Well, there's a lot of different toy lines out there.

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There's Barbie, GI Joe, the Star Wars toys, but turtles were a little

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different where, there's always a limit of how many characters

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there are in the Star Wars movie.

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you can only do that.

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You can't make things up.

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I don't know any other toy lines besides maybe the Hot Wheels toys

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when they were coming out with crazy looking cars and everything.

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But when I first started drawing the turtles, there's only four

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main turtles out there, right?

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the four characters and some villains.

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There was a time like, okay, how much of a job do I have once I'm done with

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these toys, there's gotta be a limit.

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But there was no limit.

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and I realized that it was doing well.

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You just based it on how well a selling right.

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But it would sell out right away so that, you know, most times in business

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they'll, the client will send you something, Hey, we need this, design.

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we need a fireman turtle.

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We need that.

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But it was moving so fast that I didn't have enough time in the day to design

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as many different off takes as I could.

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it got to a point where, hey, you know what, just design

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whatever you want, right?

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And just make it up.

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So I used to come into work thinking, what should I do today?

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Maybe a, a Navy seal turtle.

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Do we need a basketball turtle?

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We need a a, you know, we just.

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How, again, this goes with your show, create, right?

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This is the epitome of creativity.

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You come in, you have a job where you can come and design and come up with

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anything you want to come up with.

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And as a team at Varner Studios, we used to have fun with it, come out with things

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that they would never create, right?

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We did.

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So there's a lot of, designs that were never created, but you know,

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the Nerd Turtle had a little calculator, shield a pencil and a

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crazy looking glasses and everything.

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And we used to come up with Bo Buddy Holly Turtle, and all kinds of stuff.

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It is so interesting because, we're gonna talk about this a little while

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when we talk about your project you're working on now with ancients.

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But it is interesting how the toys, figures, whatever, you know, plus

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the story plus the other mediums, you know, graphic novels or

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comics or movies and all of that.

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It is interesting how some of that all fits together, and sometimes

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it's lightning in a bottle.

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Sometimes there's intentionality behind it.

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Sometimes you look back and you just don't know is something Now that you've

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gotten, gosh, 20, 30, 30 plus years, looking back on it, what is it that

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you look back and go, huh, that's one of the reasons why it worked so well?

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Ah, man, that's hard to say.

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Luck.

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Was it luck?

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I mean, sometimes that's the factor, but

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Like they say, you put a lot of work in the end and you, and you,

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I.

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the amount of grit you put into a project or anything, the luckier you get, right?

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So I mean, you, you're, you're positioning yourself to be lucky.

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I mean, you had all the places in the right place, things in the right place.

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People needed something, and this is, again, part of what I'm doing today.

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the hardest thing today in pop cultures is to come up with something new and

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make it as big as the turtles, became.

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But I mean, if it was that easy, there would be so many ips out there.

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you can't even, find them.

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Right.

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But yeah, it's, one of those phenomenons people say, you know.

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Well, and you know, a lot of it's timing and different things like that.

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another thing, Howard, that's fascinating to me and kinda more business engineering

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minded, I'm always aware of this.

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We talked before we hit record just about artists and how to

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define that and what that means.

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One of the things that's interesting to me is that there are a lot of people

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would call themselves artists that

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I hate to use the word monetize, but just to, to make money off of it.

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it sounds as if you did that from day one.

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I mean, almost day one.

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You may not have a lot of understanding someone who's been.

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we'll call it toiling for years in some type of arts field, and they,

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it hasn't been commercialized.

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I mean, you would show up at work and there was such an insatiable

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demand for what you were creating.

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You couldn't even keep up.

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Where most artists, it's a flip.

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Yeah,

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They are creating so much stuff and they can barely get anyone interested in it.

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what comes to mind?

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I mean, we had a marketplace that was just on fire, right?

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I mean, you know, art is, so what you met was art is so subjective.

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I. Now consider myself again as an artist, but I was also like you

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went into business manufacturing.

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I was actually a computer programmer for like six, seven

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years doing, Microsoft sql.

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So I, one of those FOMO guys.

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I tried everything right.

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but since I've done everything and I was a ninja editorial artist and all

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that, I think I experienced a lot.

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I really feel like even coding is an art form, like two people

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can do is so many different ways.

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what you're doing here.

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this podcast is an art form.

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It's an expression, right?

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So yeah, I mean, I look back at, what art really is.

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I mean, some people might think.

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This is too crazy to be considered art, but it's, it's my way of having

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fun mixing two different things together and making it into something

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that I feel like it's appealing.

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And I have a bunch more, I don't know if you've seen these, I wanna show it to you.

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My house is kind of messy, but

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I wanted to, what, what you just pointed to, I wanted to say what that was.

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You had, uh, one of the turtles with a cross around his neck with also the

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parental advisory, explicit content behind

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that is, that is a,

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the, that's the humor, right?

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that's the homage to, uh, Tupac and Leonardo, the turtle,

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Oh, okay.

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I get it.

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See, I sometimes pop culture.

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I may not get all that, but yeah, that's fascinating.

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See, see, people are really gonna be, people are really gonna be

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wishing they could get the visuals if they're, listening to this.

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But yeah, that I see that.

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this whole, I'm still keeping that turtle side of me going because,

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you know, the turtles are, oh.

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How to describe 'em is they're funny and they're goofy and they're ridiculous.

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And, I feel like I have a lot of that in me, which allowed me to

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have a lot of fun doing these.

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I'm pretty, you know, wacky and, ridiculous.

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Well, the thing that's interesting is that, know, there

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are oxymorons in our lives.

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You know, we all heard the joke.

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Jumbo shrimp and, you know, different things like that.

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Social security.

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I think that's oxymoron too, but teenage ninja

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teenage mut.

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See, I, I don't even get it.

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Turtles, I mean, turtles just kind of doesn't fit with some of that.

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And the fact that it does just speaks to, you know, you're talking about

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mental health in all earlier, it speaks to someone that doesn't conform.

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They're different, you know, there's just, within that body, there's just

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a bunch of different stuff going on.

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maybe that was part of the appeal.

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I don't know.

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I'm not, we're not sitting here trying to, you know, psychoanalyze the

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Well, it was,

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of it.

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the creators who were just goofing around and they wanted cars, and it just came

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to make them teenagers, make them ninjas, make them turtles, and look what happened.

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very relatable.

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Alright, so, you mentioned you did that for eight years and now the project

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you're working on has a faith component.

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we'll get to that, but I'm kind of building to it.

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So,

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you have a faith aspect of your life while you were in this hot, expanding

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coolest stuff going on with the turtles?

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Or was there not much of a faith component?

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how would you describe your, faith walk during that time?

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pretty lukewarm, close to none.

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boy.

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I lived as, when I was, you know, we, we, I didn't grow up in a household that

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prayed or did anything like that, but being immigrants from Korea, my parents,

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their social, um, uh, you know, group.

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Were always in churches.

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So I was in and around churches, so I knew when you, when you're in and

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around churches as a kid, you go to bible stu you go to, Sunday school.

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So we know all the stories and you get fascinated by the stories, right?

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not about the faith itself, but you're just wow.

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The David and Goliath story.

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That's incredible.

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The Joseph story, Moses did that.

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So I grew up just being fascinated with these stories, not really connecting

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them to how God was working in them or, 'cause everybody loves the underdog story.

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That's life itself.

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Like, you know, when a losing team supposed to be lo they're supposed

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to lose, they come back and win.

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People love that.

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And that's what I was drawn to with the Bible, that that's how I saw it.

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I like the miracles.

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I like the challenges spot.

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I never really knew how to pray or, felt any faith, growing up

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and, you know, we'll lead to that.

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It came to me about 12, 13 years ago.

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Hmm.

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powerful.

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I don't like the term serial entrepreneur.

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Oh, well I kind of am.

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but yet, but yet many of us have it.

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Sometimes I will joke, I said that just means we couldn't find anything

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we're good at, or we got bored or, we failed quickly or something.

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I mean, there's a lot of things that I could tie in there, but I want to

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get to the discussion of this, the dream you had and you got this idea

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create what you're creating now and tie in the spiritual aspect of it.

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But we do that, was there anything in that timeframe from, 12, 13 years ago,

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which sounds like it was around 2015, 17 to, the late nineties when you left,

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what you were doing with the turtles.

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just a point or two that.

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Impacted you that you brought into maybe some of the

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projects you're working on now.

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Something that you said, I'm never gonna do that again, or something, that you

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said, This is something I need to carry with me as I continue my journey in life.

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Uh, that's a, that's a hard question, but, uh, put, to put it in a nutshell what

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you said, I was a serial entrepreneur.

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I mean, there were maybe a couple that were pretty successful

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that allowed me to do that.

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I was a fashion manufacturing company.

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I've done multiple apps.

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I still do run a marketing company, digital marketing.

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That's what kind of keeps me afloat.

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We're not making too much money yet, but we're hoping it will.

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you name it.

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I've been into all these different industries and fail quickly.

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one of my friends told me, if you're gonna fail, fail quickly.

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Don't sit there for five, ten years, failing slowly,

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and then your life passes by.

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So that hit me.

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It could have been the wrong way because as soon as I see something not working, I

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just quickly say, let's go on to the next.

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And there's a thin line between what's right and wrong when you say fail quickly.

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But Yeah.

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But the benefit is, it's true.

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You learn so much and after, two decades of failing a lot of things

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and a couple things went well.

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But the more you fail, the more you grow, I guess.

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So I feel like I. You know, God put me into those situations.

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I look back in retrospect and I look at it and I go, God put me there for a reason.

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I got this outta that experience.

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I got this.

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And it all came in perfectly for today.

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Even my whole, journey with the Ninja Turtles came in perfectly and this

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was what was supposed to happen, and it's kind of, phenomenal to see it.

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Yeah, that.

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So if someone asks you what you do, what do you describe yourself?

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You mentioned artist earlier, so are you, would you consider yourself

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an artist, business guy, or what?

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if someone says, Hey Howard, what do you do?

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What's your answer?

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If they don't know you.

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Well, that was like the first question you asked.

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I mean, are you, Anglo-Saxon?

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Are you, Asian or,

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was your origin, not

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or,

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do.

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That was like your.

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I'm, of confusing, uh, like you said, uh, jumbo shrimp or whatever.

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So.

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Yeah, I, I consider myself an artist at heart because I love to create,

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I love to, I love it when I create something and this what I call art.

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I love to see people, how they react to it.

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I love creating things and that's at heart.

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But then I also love the whole aspect of business.

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we're out there raising money right now and putting the deck together and

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trying to get our funding and all that.

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I love the whole process.

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I love life.

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I love everything that God has to offer or gave us, to experience.

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So, yeah, core artist, but I also love business.

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Hmm.

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That's good.

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All right, so 12, 13 years ago.

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as the story, I've heard you probably had stuff going on business and,

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but it sounds like you went through somewhat of a, I don't wanna call

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it an epiphany or something in life that caused your faith to grow.

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And there were things going on and it all, if I heard it correctly, kind of

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came together in a short period of time.

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Tell me about that and then maybe we'll get to the dream

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that led to your current project.

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'cause it was all sort of related, if I'm hearing correctly.

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you know, I've, I am a firm believer that, of suffering, I

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think we all grow through suffering.

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I'm a father, I have three kids, and a lot of times, you wanna

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make sure they don't suffer.

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They don't.

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Hit lows, but the lows are the times when I feel like they grow.

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they mature.

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I think it was 2012 I hit a low in my life.

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That's pretty much the lowest point where I was going through a divorce.

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after 10 years of marriage, we had three little ones.

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Youngest was youngest, one being 4, 4, 6, and nine.

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it was a tough season for me.

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And, you know, from a worldly standpoint, I just tell people, Hey, it's over, man.

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I mean, yeah, a lot of people get divorced.

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It's, it's fine, but it took a, a big toll on my body.

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If you see, if you saw me back then you can tell my hair was in different places.

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I was losing weight, but heavy in certain places.

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my friends would see me.

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They, they know there's something's wrong.

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Something's wrong, and.

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A friend of mine came and I was, think I was having a cigarette outside.

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And then he was, he, he looked at me and he was like, Howard,

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I don't know where he goes.

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This is too big for you.

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I think you should let it go and give it to God.

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Right.

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And I didn't know what that meant.

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Like, what are you, what are you talking about?

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Talking nonsense here.

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But when he said those words, this whole like, weight, just, just, it's hard

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to explain, how certain words they can either destroy you or, or, or build you.

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Right.

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But what he said didn't make sense to me.

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But those words just relieve me from stress.

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And I was seeing psychiatrists, I was seeing a therapist, I was

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getting anti-depression, medicine, anti-anxiety and all that.

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Suddenly with those words, I didn't need it anymore.

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So I looked it up.

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I'm, I'm Google search was around back then.

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I'm like, Google searching what's happening here?

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And then, a friend of mine, I was on Facebook and she's asking how I'm

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doing, like, Hey, this is going good.

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by the way, I'm just getting a divorce.

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And she called me up and invited me to her church.

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it's funny how God works, but he orchestrated all that just perfectly.

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He needed me to be at, like, he, I thought this was low.

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No, you gotta go lower.

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And then when it hits that point, like literally the bomb explodes and then

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suddenly he picks me up and, you know, it's almost like, it is not as extreme,

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but it felt like I was job, right?

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Like, I want to give up.

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And, from that point I really just said, Hey, for first time ever.

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I just open up my, my heart, my life and see what God can do.

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Right?

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let's join this.

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I'll listen to what the, what the leaders are saying.

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They told me to come to church for every Sunday.

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That's number one, right?

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Number two, read every day.

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Number two, pray.

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pray every day.

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Read and pray every day.

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Three was join a life group.

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And, and there was a, it was a, the church that says, if you don't do all that,

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you, you can't be a serious member here.

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Please don't come here anymore.

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Go to some other church that you can do whatever you want.

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Right?

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So I took it seriously and man, in a short span of time, literally, I wanna say

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two, three months my life changed, where I never believed in the, in the power

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of prayer, never believed in scripture.

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But, you know, my, my dad knows me.

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I have, I have a history of alcohol, problems and, and, in and lot of things.

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My father knowing what's going on, he was home.

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I came back, him knowing what I'm capable of, looked at me and he was confused.

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He goes, what's wrong with you?

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I'm like, what are you talking about?

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You look so good.

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I'm like, what do you mean?

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So I go up, look in the mirror, and man, I was gleaming.

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I was glowing.

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I realized what it was.

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It was, I felt the Holy Spirit was really transforming me.

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I never felt that.

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I didn't realize what was happening.

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And that was the point in 2000, end of 2012, right before, my ex-wife

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left and we split up, that I realized those things really is life changing.

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It transforms you and, yeah, I've been.

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Pretty deep into it since it's like my drug.

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I feel like I, I'm hoping for it.

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I've experienced so many miracles, and that's another podcast about

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all the miracles I, went through and yeah, it's just, I'm living it.

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So the thing, that's the thing that's fascinating.

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This, if there was a recurring theme, Howard, that we have in, 340

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episodes, whatever it is, something like what you just described, it's.

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Low of low.

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That's my story too.

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unfortunately, we, humans, people, men, women of faith typically

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don't make those kind of changes.

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Unfortunately, when things are going great,

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that, that bothers me.

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But yet that's just the way it is, isn't it?

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Uh, you know, I, I was just really, it's funny you say that.

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I was just thinking about that yesterday.

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Um, there, you know, I'm not blaming anybody or whatever, uh, but you know,

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you, we all have friends in life, right?

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they're great friends When things are going great, right?

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And when things are going bad, when you need 'em desperately, are they there?

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do we need just, are you only here when things are going great?

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would you only invest in me if things are happening, or would you believe

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in me when I need you the most?

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I looked at the list of people, the vast amount of friends that

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I have, and, I love all of them.

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they're great people.

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That's why they're called friends in my life.

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But there's only a tiny few that you can say are actually

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there when you're suffering.

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it doesn't come close to what God does, is that the only time that you call out

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to God, right when you need something?

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why can't we just, in our successes and our highs, celebrate with them too, right?

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I think that's why Jesus said it's harder for a rich man to get to

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heaven or to, have salvation and all.

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But you brought up job and it's fascinating.

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This is what came to me when you brought up job.

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I'm going, yeah.

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That's the story that we keep hearing over and over again.

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And I've often wondered

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is job in the cannon of the Bible, why is it included?

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And it's probably for that reason.

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it's all of our stories

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Yeah.

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and it's the message of need God, I mean, you know,

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Hey, you think you have.

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So anyway, we could go down that road, but I want to talk about this project

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because at some point during that time, you obviously were on a faith journey

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where you were stepping into his kingdom and allowing him to be your king.

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that's the way I refer to it.

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instead of, he's just another part of what we have going on in our lives.

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No, he's the king and we're stepping into his kingdom.

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somewhere along the way, you got this idea this big project, and I'd

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like for us to take the next, 20 plus minutes and talk about this project.

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So give me the impetus or the catalyst of this, and then let's

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start having fun with all these new things you've got working on.

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well, I told you what happened, uh, 12 years ago.

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so during that time of, I guess that's my transformative years, I guess,

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spiritually, you know, I'm, I was really on that high and it was right around

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Christmas I was thinking to myself, Hey, you know, what can I give my kids?

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that kind of shows them what I'm going through and something maybe pointing

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towards a Bible and I was looking around and I couldn't find anything, man.

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Like, it was hard to see anything that's popular in pop culture or even, like

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even back then you listen to Christian music and if you listen to a kid you'd be

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like, oh my gosh, why you listen to that?

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Right?

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So it was, everything dealing with by the Bible, the church.

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Seemed like it was a hundred years old, right?

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It's, nothing cool about faith.

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And it bothered me a little bit.

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So I'm thinking, okay, how come, we can't come up with something that

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is as cool and people just want it.

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And so when I was looking on Google search, the only toy that

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I found was David and Light.

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They're wearing their loin cloth and they're throwing a stone.

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I would guarantee if I bought that for my kids, they would disown me and they would

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wanna move live with their mom forever.

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So my, ideal was, what can I come up with?

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And it was during a time of prayer and meditation that I was seeing things

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in my head, and it looked a little like the characters that I created for

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ancients, which is what we'll get to.

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but I was trying to make sense of it.

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Then I remembered, hey, I was a toy maker for a pretty popular toy line.

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that started the whole, process I guess, and gave me the ideas and,

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a direction that I wanted to do.

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But the biggest point was to make toys.

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You gotta have a billion dollars and that's not a kind

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of guarantee you success.

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you're dealing with toy companies out there that have deep pockets, that

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have manufacturing, that have supply chain and everything ready to go.

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And then I remember what a pastor told me, and I was again,

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very new in my faith, right?

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he says, you know, everything goes to God's glory.

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So if I came out with something that I could manage, that I think I can

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do achieve, then it's not God ized.

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Do something that's impossible.

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You know, you can't do.

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But you can only achieve it if God's involved.

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So this seemed perfect.

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I mean, I can't do this on my own.

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I don't have that kind of money to, to get out there and compete against, Batman,

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Superman, Spider-Man and Transformers.

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So that, yeah, that was confirmation for me.

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you know what, I'm gonna go for it.

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I don't care if I end up homeless or end up like job again, but

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I think I'm gonna go for it.

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Yeah.

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My observation though is most people, kind of a one situation and

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then move on to different things.

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I do think there's struggles and all, but

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so one thing that I think I've heard you say somewhere was that you have

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a bit of a perfectionist streak that caused some of this to be, I don't

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even know if delayed is the right word.

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'cause I think timing, we talked about it earlier when we were talking about the

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mutant turtles, that timing is important.

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So sometimes these are divine or they're for a purpose.

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But talk a little bit about, I think I heard you say something about

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you just wanted them to be perfect, but that's interesting to me.

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I've got a follow up question that I want to ask.

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Okay, well that's true.

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I have this, every line has to be perfect and it has to be,

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Otherwise I'll never finish it.

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That's why I haven't finished so many things in my life.

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But I can design a ninja turtle in a day.

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I can design two ninja turtles in one day and get it out there, get it approved.

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but why did this take 12 years?

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Well, because it's mine and I can't give it to people unless I know it's perfect.

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And then, you know, I just, got remarried, a year ago, less than a year ago.

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Name's Gloria and she's a woman of faith and she absolutely

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loved the idea, that I had.

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And, you know, it is tough.

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There's two parts to why it took 12 years.

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Number one is that perfect issue.

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It has to be perfect.

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we tried, I had a couple of people help me and in the very beginning,

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six months of just drawing, drawing, drawing, I was never happy.

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I was one of those guys you don't wanna work for?

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Nope, nope, nope.

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No worry about this.

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Nope.

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It doesn't.

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That's not what's in my head.

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So I'm thinking, trying to create what was in my head, and, you know, during

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times of prayer, multiple times I would see things and draw it out, but

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you can't, it wouldn't come together.

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So I was never happy.

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And then there was a few other moments during the 12 years that I tried it again,

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but I was really busy, being a single dad and making money doing other things.

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But when I met Gloria, she told me one thing.

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She goes, it doesn't have to be perfect, right?

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But this has to be the time.

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So, two or three miracles happened, about a year ago.

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That led us to start this and yeah, I mean there is no such thing as perfect, right?

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It's fascinating that you bring that up because the contrast that I heard

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is that when you sat down in 18, in 19 89, 90, 91, 92, you would come

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in and just crank out, uh, I don't know if that's the right word, but

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That's.

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crank out stuff.

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And some of it would stick, some of it wouldn't.

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And I don't wanna say you didn't care.

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That's not, maybe not the right term, but it was almost like it was

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just, I don't even wanna say assembly line, but you were just doing it.

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So that's one thing and, and I'm gonna let you respond to this, but there's

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one other thing I wanna mention.

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The thing you mentioned about this project is that you are the owner, but I'm, I'm

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gonna press on you for just a little while and let you agree or disagree with this.

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I've been very similar in some projects I have.

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But what the Lord has told me is that I'm not the owner of

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anything, but I'm a steward.

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And that kind of helps me rethink it.

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So those two together.

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The way you worked when you were just cranking out the work and now that you,

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now that you're in a faith component, let's just say we kind of, because I

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think a lot of people of faith do this.

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They get in this thing, okay, now it's for God.

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But does that make sense?

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Respond to

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Yeah.

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you want to

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come.

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Yeah, a hundred percent.

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I mean, cranking out you, you know, I remember because it

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wasn't mine, it was just a job.

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Right.

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And I wasn't liable.

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Something happened.

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So I'm just, it was a lot of fun.

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I was young too.

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I was 18 to 26.

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You didn't know what you didn't know.

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and I had the job that all of my colleagues or friends they dreamt

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of, and I didn't even appreciate it.

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it was just work.

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I go in, I draw, they love it.

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Great.

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And I was like a celebrity in the office.

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Hey, I'm, they love it.

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Okay, we use a fax machine.

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They would fax it over and they get a, a call.

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We love it.

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They loved it.

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years later, after all these different ventures and jobs that I've done, remember

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I told you I failed so many times.

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double digits, right?

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it costs a lot of money, a lot of time.

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And that, that was my MBA, right?

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I'm learning.

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I'm learning.

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And then, what I realized, early on was that.

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I'm not a good CEO man.

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I'm not a good, I'm not a good leader of a business, but what I'm really

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good at is being the number two, I'm a great vice president and, and that,

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that company succeeded like crazy.

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I'm a real good partner, right.

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today knowing that God's at the helm and I'm, can you make me your vice president?

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Great.

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And, and that's how I see myself.

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And suddenly I, I get a lot of, confidence because when I'm at the

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helm, I can never make it perfect.

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And, I would worry too much about money and, and failing.

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And you know, right now we're seeking money to take this to the next level.

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but I have a lot of confidence and I'm not, I don't feel liable for it, I guess.

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Does that make sense?

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it does.

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Yeah.

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It's good to have a, Gloria, I have a glory.

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You have a Gloria, someone that reminds you and encourages you and says, do it.

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Just come on you, you've talked about this enough.

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Just go ahead and let's go to Comic Con.

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Let's do this.

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and you recently, I want to congratulate you.

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you had a Kickstarter that it looks like it funded and was successful.

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That finished up just a little while back.

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I'm sure that's a drop in the bucket to the money you need, but it's

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Yeah.

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just a, a good little indicator.

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Tell, tell for, for those.

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I, I, I almost feel like we need to explain to some people what a fax

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machine is, but we're not gonna do that.

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You, we just mentioned something that people are go, well, what's a fax machine?

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But Kickstarter, just real quick, just gimme your experience and thoughts.

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Was that a good move?

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Did it work well for you and, and give you some.

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Kick Kickstarter is a crowdfunding platform where

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people come out with an idea.

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the more people like it, they get to pledge, they get to back to project.

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It is like they get to buy it before they produce it.

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this is a great idea for this cup.

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it is made of diamonds.

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Okay, great.

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I want it.

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And so if it meets that goal, it's a successful campaign.

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If it doesn't, everybody leaves.

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Nothing happens.

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But I felt it was a good platform simply because we can

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get a lot of eyeballs in it.

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But to be honest, I think our audience was, we couldn't find our audience.

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you know, again, what I'm gonna talk about ancients is an art toy, a designer toy.

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They're kind of expensive because it's more comparable to, bear bricks or costs,

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kid robot collectible figurines, which can be hundreds of dollars, maybe thousands.

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the audience coming in, they were looking for toys.

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And the, the, the comments we're getting was how could just charge $300 for a toy?

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Doesn't make sense.

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So we didn't connect with our audience, but just barely enough

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people to get us past that goal.

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And we're hoping for a million bucks, but hey, maybe we'll get that another way.

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God put us through this for a reason and there's no harm to it.

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That's

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another good learning.

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I think it's a good data point to know, okay, hey, here's what

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we found out, here's what we'll be able to accomplish with that.

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And I do think it's valuable.

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So, alright, we've danced around it.

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So now tell people what ancient is and what you have that, for those

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that are looking, remember some people are listening so they can't see it.

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But over your right shoulder, there's a collection, there's a

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big, I'm assuming a Goliath there.

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And, there's a bit of a predator.

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look to it, look at the glowing stuff there.

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So talk us through it.

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For those that might be listening.

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We have, two different lines of products.

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Ones are the minis as you see here.

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This is Noah with his colors.

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This is Gideon.

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those small three inch figures, what I'm holding here, they're key chains.

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Actually.

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You can wear 'em around.

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So there's a little fashion aspect to it, like labu Boost, you know,

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they are easier to make, I think more affordable price point where

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it can get out to the mass market.

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And these are again, our toys that come out of that, that were designed

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by me, that are gonna be produced for people to compete against Laboo, right?

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They have their own little look appeal, but we also have the larger line.

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I'll show it.

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There's that 20 inch Goliath, which is like $1,500 made of resin.

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And this is David.

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He comes with this thing.

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He has the verse that is most appropriate for him.

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He has his thing.

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17. They're good.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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So he has a little jet pack.

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So he has a short range flying capacity.

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But the whole, idea behind ancients the storyline we're building, the origin

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story is a technology called Luminar, which lights their eyes and their hair.

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This predator hair looking, the tendrils in the back.

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These are robots that are built, that are run by spirits.

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The actual spirit of David is here fighting Goliath in today's time.

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there's a whole science behind it.

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Goliath and the evil guys were, built by a professor who stole the

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technology from the company who were trying to bring up the spirits.

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And they all know that only biblical spirits are strong

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enough to revive, right?

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But the technology is supernatural.

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Bio Robotics, which is what we call si, right?

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Supernatural Intelligence and what Professor Ball does,

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he steals it and he uses ai.

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So it is supernatural intelligence versus ai.

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'cause AI has a lot of negative connotations today, taking over jobs.

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Yeah.

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They don't know how far it's gonna go, if they could even control

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it in the next five or 10 years.

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So yeah, there's good and evil, there's ais, even though I use it.

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I use chat GPTA lot, right?

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I do too.

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so, so you've got the basic good versus evil, but what you're doing is you're

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bringing it to a modern story with a very cool and robotic look to it.

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Like I said, there's sort of a, I hope that's not a bad thing.

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If I say there's a predator look, that actually has more of

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a squared look on that one you're

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Oh,

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in your hand.

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these are the mini versions.

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And you, you see the mini versions here is three inches.

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This the largest, that's 14 inches tall.

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But yeah, the predator, look, I love predator.

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I grew up and everything I put, I love dry octopuses.

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And, um, growing up and then, uh, when I saw these visions 12 years ago, man,

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I mean, it makes 'em look original.

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And it can you imagine Samson is gonna have longer hair than

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the rest of them later on.

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And then the, the, the female figurines have longer hair, longer ones.

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You see it.

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Oh, yeah,

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is Rahab.

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Look at that with the red Rahab.

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those are really cool.

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so here's the, I can really appreciate creativity, business

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models and things like that, but my mind doesn't think in terms of even

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collectibles or toys or anything like that, but I could appreciate it.

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And so the thing that kinda keeps coming to my mind is kind of what we were talking

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about earlier with the, the Ninja Turtles.

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is the story, and I believe you've said that still being developed.

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Is that correct?

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Are you still, I mean, there's some baseline to it, but you're

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still working on story, correct?

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I mean, we're working on the story Bible.

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not the Bible, we know it, but in the industry, they call it the story Bible,

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Yeah.

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the, the universe where they exist, their personality and the landscape

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of where the story takes place.

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They have to know it.

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they have to know the personality of each of these characters.

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And we happen to have a lot of characters.

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It's gonna take a little more time, but there are, companies

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out there asking for it.

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we have a lot of interest.

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simply because it does have Bible reference to it, this might be

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we're praying and we believe to be the biggest Bible based.

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Pop franchise perhaps right.

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Sure, but here's the thing with this type stuff, and I know you would agree

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with this, it's got to have an appeal.

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I don't wanna say for the general public, that may not be the right term.

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but like you mentioned earlier with your kids, if you gave them the

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traditional, I call it flannelgraph, that dates me and tells how old I am,

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David and Goliath, you know, wearing the loin cloth, looking like, you know,

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truthfully, someone from, 1000 BC that, you know, the kids would probably look

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at it and go, oh yeah, that's great.

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Not, not super cool.

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The stuff over your shoulder there.

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Something that would be a, that would've a cool appeal to, I hate to say just

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heathens, but let's just say someone who's not looking for necessarily Bible stuff,

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but they would go, you know what, that's kind of a cool looking thing there it is.

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That correct?

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the original idea was to appeal to the believers who want something for.

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their family that is not Spider-Man or, or Batman or, but the more

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we started building these out, we wanted to appeal to everyone.

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And the idea is, let's say it becomes super popular, right?

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We have, we have a built-in audience.

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We feel the believers, the people who want this for their kids so we can

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be successful just on them, right?

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but then we, if it starts to grow that way, it will catch the eyes of other kids.

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They don't wanna be left out like they don't know anything about

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the Bible, but they want it.

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And that's the goal to get a, character of David.

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They'll be curious, what is this?

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Who is this guy?

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And there is a, there are verses you can read about them.

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So imagine if it does go, does go global.

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That's my mission, to get people to be looking in the Bible, to learn about

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these characters and, see who they are.

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And I want to, you know, how many characters can I make that's, I think

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that can make thousands of 'em in the long run, but that I'm having fun with it.

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I'm having a, a lot of fun with it and I, I'm trying to seek,

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go and create with all this.

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I love that.

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Thanks for working that in.

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it sounds as if I'm actually working on a similar project right now, kind

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of creating this alternate universe that has a foundation in scripture.

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I've been doing a lot of writing and studying in the first century around the

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time all the New Testament was written, I'm actually working on some fiction

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that revolves around, mine's probably a little bit closer to scripture.

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Yours is you are taking a separate universe, which I

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think has massive appeal.

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Kinda my close to my last question here.

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This kinda stuff's really hard.

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not easy.

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So to talk candidly about how hard it is, and then with that go into

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almost either a prayer or a request of what is it that you really need

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now at this stage of this project.

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So how hard is it?

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Yeah, I mean, the hardest part of anything is trying to gain popularity, right?

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And when you first do something, we all have our goals.

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We set milestones.

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Okay.

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Like Comic Con, we're supposed to do this, Kickstarter, we're supposed to do this.

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almost nothing comes according to plan, right?

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you've done businesses, so, you know, so we have a year,

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one goal, a year or two goal.

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I think it is very rare that at least small companies or startups like us, they

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hit those milestones on the Right mark.

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But what I'm learning is, a lot of times we spend too much

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money and time on something.

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It doesn't end up what we were anticipating.

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We're hoping to get all the Christian communities to come and support us,

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but it didn't come out that way.

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Only a few did.

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maybe they don't find it interesting or whatever, but like Kickstarter, we haven't

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found their audience yet, the great part is what happens when you're going for

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those milestones, those markers, other things happen that we didn't expect.

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Right.

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the Kickstarter, didn't hit the real goals that we were hoping to make,

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but because we had that deadline, we got so much done a lot more than we

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would have if we didn't do Kickstarter.

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So we're just getting surprised at every turn.

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And it is really hard, not hitting those milestones or the goals or the money that

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you're trying to get to as a business.

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But the exciting part is what happens because of that.

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And, our goal was not to, we wouldn't think any toy companies would

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be interested in talking to us.

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Until we gain fame or popularity, for a faith-based toy to come into something,

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especially in this political and, America the way it is today, right?

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to take, trying to take God out of the, out of everything.

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So we know the challenges, we know that, that's why you don't see

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biblical toys out there being popular, but something that's happening is

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just the economy, right?

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Maybe they're looking for something new, something exciting, and we're already

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talking to toy companies, you know, like these are things, if we didn't

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do Kickstarter to me, I, we did make our goal, but I consider our failure

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'cause we, I didn't make our millions.

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Right.

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But you're kind of depressed.

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Oh man.

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We did it, we have all this available.

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We did everything to market ourselves.

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Get out there and we did catch the eyes of multiple toy companies and

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they're already interested in it.

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And because of what the world's going through, they're looking for new stuff.

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And we go to a Comic-Con, and a lot of people would complain

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that, hey, you know, I've been coming to Comic-Con for 20 years.

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How many more Supermans can we see?

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How many more backmans?

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I'm glad you're doing something new.

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They're looking for something new and something exciting.

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But most people are afraid to do something like this because

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number one, they can't afford it.

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We couldn't afford it, but we somehow found a way to do it.

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you have to have that faith and you have to take the risk.

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I was never afraid of becoming homeless.

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I don't care, man.

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I just put it all out.

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I'm a gambler by heart.

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I'll do it.

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And if I end up in the streets or I end up with zero, hey, that's

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a great time to rebuild, right?

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So, I mean, I guess that's the mind you gotta have.

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You're also an entrepreneur.

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You gotta have that mindset.

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not being afraid to fail to do something like this.

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Yeah, that, that's so good.

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And you know, you're so right.

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It's like, I get confused at times every time a new Superman movie

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comes out, because I'm going, they told this story before?

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I mean, are they, I I had a friend Lee York, I don't know if he listens in here,

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but I knew him in the early eighties and he was sort of, uh, was optimistic,

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but he had a pessimistic side to him.

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And one of, one of the things he told me, and I still remember it to this

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day, he said, all the ideas have been come up with, he goes, you know, people

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have come up with all the shows and tv and every time I see something

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recycled, I think of what Lee said.

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And then I talk to Howard and I look over your right shoulder and I go, I

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haven't ever seen anything like that.

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And that excites me I'm pulling for it.

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and I want tell people as we finish up here, 'cause you've got a website, you've

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got some things that could go check out.

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Just tell people where they can go to air quotes here, support or just keep up with

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what's going on and maybe be a part of it.

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Yeah, I mean it's very simple.

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ancients.com with a z ancients.

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Z everything sounds cooler with a Z, right?

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Ancients with a Z.

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it pulled up here.

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Yeah.

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a cool

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site.

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Ancients com

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we'll include links and everything to that.

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And I think I've joined the, there's an email list there I think so people

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can stay up to date and I'm sure you'll let people know what's going on and

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Yeah.

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Correct.

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we have our Instagram, Facebook, and everything, but Instagram's our main

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point of, showing people what's happening.

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we're building a six and a half foot David character right now for

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Designer Con, which is next week.

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We're not even ready for it.

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I gotta paint it and everything.

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There's a lot of work that goes behind what we're trying to do.

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I mean, we don't know where we're going, but we're going Right.

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And we're seeking,

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That's awesome.

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So, Howard Quigley, Chang, man, pulling for you and anxious with a z.com

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if you've been, intrigued by this definitely go to the website, check

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out all that he's doing and connect.

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I'm sure that if you're listening in you've got a boatload of money

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sitting in some account and you want to invest in something, I'm sure that

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Howard would love to talk to you.

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Am I correct Howard?

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Yeah, sir. Hey.

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if Scotty Scheffler or anybody knows him is listening, I'd like to make a custom

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Scotty Scheffler warrior version of it with Taylor made Nike and your clubs.

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And I want to present it to you.

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Tim Tebow, if you're listening, I wanna do it for you.

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So.

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That'd be awesome.

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So anyway, check this out.

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I love the obviously the seek go create tie in that Howard brought up.

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But I just love when I see creative things, especially that are inspired,

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we'll call 'em divinely inspired things.

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So thanks for listening in here at Seek Go Create.

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We've got new episodes every Monday.

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I am hopeful that you watched this episode on YouTube because it had visuals.

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If you've gotten to the end and you're on the audio, you may want to jump

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over to YouTube and check out some of the things that are behind Howard

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as he's been going through this.

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So anyway, thanks for joining us here on Seek Go Create.

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We will see you next week.