Unapologetically Authentic: Jean Tien's Journey to Redefine Success

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And so we keep evolving and so I think it's so

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important to remind everyone that,

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Wherever they are.

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It's always important to keep reevaluating your definition of success.

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Does this really hold true for me today?

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What If the key to True

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success is giving ourselves

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permission to break free from conventional molds and embrace our unique identity?

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Welcome to Seek Go Create, where today we're joined by Gene tn, creator of

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the Success Method, and a beacon for those seeking to redefine success on

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their own terms from the structured path of an Ivy League education and corporate

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career to a journey of self-discovery.

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Empowerment Jean's story is a testament to the true

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transformative power of authenticity.

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She's hit her.

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Share how breaking free from traditional expectations can lead to

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a more fulfilling and impactful life.

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Jean, welcome to Seek Go Create.

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Hi, Tim.

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Thank you so much for having me.

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I'm so excited to be here and to have this conversation.

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I'm glad for you too.

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you're, what you talk about is such a great match for us here at Seek,

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go create, redefining success.

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And so let me dive in.

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My first question, when people ask you what you do, what do you tell them?

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I.

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I am a corporate nine to fiver on the path to redefining what it

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means to be a successful, professional.

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And so what I mean by that, if I may, is that currently I

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still have my nine to five job.

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it's what keeps me going.

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And at the same time, I'm using all of the experiences that I've gained

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in corporate to look for the gaps, the opportunities to be able to support

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others as they're looking for their way in terms of redefining success as well.

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And by creating the programs that I've created by working with the

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individuals I've created, it's really to shift the whole paradigm

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of what it means to have that job.

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So what are some of the struggles that we can have, and this

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is a, it's sort of a jokey question, but, hey, someone's got a good job.

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What more, what more would they want?

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You know,

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. Jean Tien: Um, I, you know, I think everybody has their own struggles.

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And it's funny, I was just coming out of coffee with a friend of

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mine and we were just having this conversation where she thinks that

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nobody else is having similar problems.

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And I told her she's right.

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Nobody else is having similar problems because we all have

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our unique set of problems.

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But I think overall the same struggle happens for all of us, which is we're

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looking for our place on this planet where we fit in, where we can really

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not just fit in, but where we belong and how we get that sense of belonging.

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And I think, when you are in that corporate nine to five, I think many

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of us have worked really hard to get to where we are today, only to realize that

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It's not where we wanted to be in the first place.

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It's not what we thought it would be.

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And then we've worked so hard, we've invested so much time

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and energy and resources.

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Now the question is, okay, I feel stuck.

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And it's that sense of stuckness that keeps people, I wanna say in

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the same place, because they're either afraid of taking the step

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forward, they're afraid of pivoting.

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our favorite word from Covid is pivoting, they're afraid of making the

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wrong decision or somehow ruining all of the hard work that they've done.

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And I could say that none of that is a reality.

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All of that is fear-based.

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And it's most likely, it's most likely what we're all dealing with

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in some shape or form, manifesting itself in some way or another.

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I am kind of with you that, that word pivot.

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I think we're starting to overuse it now.

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Of course we do that.

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We all, I was doing an interview the other day and I used the

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word unpack and I hated myself.

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I'm going, darn.

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I said I, I'm, a few years ago, it's like everything, we're

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gonna unpack, unpack, we're gonna unpack, and now I, I think pivot.

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But I, I do think it's a good word for the topic.

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I can't think, I was at a bible study with a group of people, business

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owners, entrepreneurs the other day, and we were using the word transition,

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Mm.

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is pivot We, it's the same thing, but, gene, the I, I

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remember It's been 30 plus years.

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I'm dating myself a little bit.

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I remember a term that I heard a lot that was something to the effect of, I may

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butcher this, but I'm gonna, I'm gonna mention it and you could let us know how

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it ties in where people would say they've been climbing the corporate ladder only

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to find out that the ladder is leaned up against the wrong structure or whatever.

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I, is that part of this?

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Is that statement still hold true today?

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I think it still holds true, and I think it holds true for many of us.

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I think most of us climb the corporate ladder because we were told

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that's what we're supposed to do.

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We were told that's what being a good citizen is, right?

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Like the higher you climb, the better that you are, and we do what we're told.

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And then when we get to towards the top of the ladder, I think

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many of us start to look up at that point because we can, right?

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Because we're trying to enjoy the successes that we've achieved.

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And then we realize that oh, wait, where?

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and I think so many of us ask this question, it's okay, now where am I?

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And that's the question that then people aren't really sure how to answer.

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And so that's where I come in.

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Are, are a lot of people, this is gonna sound cynical, but the

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audience is gonna be okay with it.

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'cause they know that every once in a while, Tim goes full on cynical.

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It's okay.

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we in a culture where people are just disgruntled and unhappy and

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there's, in some ways not a lot that we can do to make some people happy?

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I think that's such a good question because what it

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brings to mind is, yes but no.

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I think that they're potentially disgruntled and unhappy because they're

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not willing . To settle anymore, or they're just not necessarily,

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comfortable with where they are.

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But then, the question that comes to mind is, how did they get here?

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And then so to say that we're in a situation that they're just disgruntled

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and unhappy suggests that there's no path out or that there's no solution out.

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And I definitely think that there is a path out.

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and I think so many of us suffer unnecessarily.

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Hmm.

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One of the things that's interesting, I love what you said there, is as I interact

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with a lot of people, as an executive coach and I get to talk to people with

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what I do here and in ministry and things like that, I recognize that in the

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world there's a lot of what I call hope

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hopelessness.

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Mm.

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of hope and hope's a weird word because it sounds a little fru,

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but yet, I think we all need to have a certain degree of hope, hope, hope that

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we can improve, do better hope that we're not gonna show up at work and somebody's

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gonna fuss at us and yell at us.

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And so one of the most interesting things when I do, when I do research on people,

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I shared this right before we click record, the reason I was so attracted

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to what you do, and sometimes I don't remind myself of this until a couple days

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before the actual conversation is I think we booked this way back when I'm like

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going, now I remember why I'm talking to Jean

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Okay.

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because of the success method, and we'll talk about

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that in just a moment and things

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like that.

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but.

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What I was really reminded of, Jean, I went to your website and I listened

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to, it looked like a TED talk, but I guess you were speaking in front of

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a group, like a five minute thing.

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And it was basically you talking about walking in the

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door, your first day of work.

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Now, those that are listening, they can't see it, but behind you,

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there are some degrees on the wall

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Yes.

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and you've, I mentioned it in the intro.

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You've been through Ivy League, you appear to have done all the right things.

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Yeah.

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What caused the issue when you walked in the door and like

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right out of the gate, it seemed like things went the wrong direction For you,

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Oh yeah.

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your first go share, share whatever that you'd like.

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'cause I think it's really helpful for people to know how you redefined

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success early on in your career.

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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So I, like you said, I literally did everything by the book.

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I studied really hard.

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I got the good grades.

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I got into the Ivy League University, graduated, and I got

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a job in finance because that's what all my friends were doing.

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That's what we were supposed to do to make the money.

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and then the day that I walked into the door of my first job, which, I really,

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I was told once when I was complaining.

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or venting, it's a nicer word to use.

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When I was venting to a coworker, , you know how I'm not happy at work.

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And I remember very specifically, he's there are so many people who

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would kill to have your job right now.

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And it's not like I was a top investment banker or anything.

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I just had a position in a really good place of employment with a top brand name.

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But I remember going into that job and I really wanted to do my best.

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And so I put so much pressure on myself to do it.

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And what I realized was like I had no idea what I was doing.

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I had no idea like what I was even supposed to do.

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And I just remember getting yelled at by my boss,. Often and like

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the snarkiness and the comments.

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And no matter what I did, it just never felt like it was enough.

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And then I couldn't ask the right questions.

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I couldn't even do the right things.

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And whenever I try to do anything extra, I wasn't even getting any of

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those, brownie points or anything.

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I would just still be left to the side.

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And so it was like time after time and it was just like, you know what?

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I'm so sick of.

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Doing what I'm supposed to do and not getting anywhere and getting beat

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up like over and over again because I'm trying to make everybody happy.

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But it was at my expense.

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And then so there was just that moment of forget this, I am not doing this anymore.

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I can't it because I'm doing it according to what everybody tells

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me I should do, and it's still not getting me anywhere where I need to go.

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So let me just try to do this my way.

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let me do what I think is the right way.

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And of course we have to do it within the parameters of

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the environment that we're in.

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So let me try my way, let me try not to worry about what others are saying.

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Let me just go forward and have no regrets, because if this time

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it doesn't work, then at least I could say . I have no regrets.

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And it was interesting enough when I started to do that, my career just

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shifted entirely, like entirely.

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And then, so then people started coming to me and I started becoming the

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subject matter expert, which honestly built my career and my confidence.

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And it's still what I do today in terms of how I operate at work.

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So, gosh, there's like three questions floating through my head.

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Let me start with this one.

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I'm guessing you didn't change your actions as much as your mindset shifted.

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Would that be a correct assumption and talk more about

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it if that, whichever direction.

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Yeah.

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So I think it would be hard to say that I, so I think they're very much

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linked in my personal experience.

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I think they're linked, right?

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So if I couldn't change my mindset, then I think my actions would've repeated itself.

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I think in terms of what I didn't change was what I knew.

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I knew what I knew, but what I changed in terms of mindset was to stop

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giving everybody else credence and to start giving myself credence, right?

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To start crediting myself with what I knew and stepping into that.

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And from that perspective, that mindset shift actually

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shifted the actions that I took.

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quite frankly, I stopped kissing everybody's butt.

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And I stopped trying to please everybody because I knew, I recognized, if they

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don't understand what I'm saying, I can't really do much other than to try to

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help them to understand what I'm saying.

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But I'm no longer going to say, oh my gosh, you're so right.

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And then, and put myself behind it.

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but I would have to give myself a chance, right?

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Not mute myself, not do all the things that put me second

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and everybody else first.

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Especially when I knew within me that they didn't really know what

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they were talking about, right?

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Like that they were wrong, quite frankly, if I wanna be honest.

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And this was a process too.

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I think in the video that I watched, I think you went through

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three, four, or five positions

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Oh, yes.

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so it wasn't like, two weeks in you figured this out and it's like,

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oh, jean's good now, she's on her way.

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It was a process,

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correct.

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Oh my gosh.

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It was a very long and extended process.

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It took multiple jobs like shifting because I think so many of us go

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from one job to another, hoping that our problems would go away, right?

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oh, I hate my manager.

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He's such a jerk.

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Okay, let me go find another job.

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But guess what?

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Your next job, your managers or somebody else is gonna be such a jerk too.

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And so you're gonna have the same problem.

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And then so when I started to recognize that, I'm like, oh wait, you can't

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really run away from your problems . As much as we like to think that like

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it's the other person's fault, what I've honestly realized over time

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is that . It's really us and how we see things and our perspectives and

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when we get mad at something, it's not necessarily the other person.

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Yeah, the other person can be a jerk.

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They can be a backs stabber, they can be many things, but how

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we react to it, it's all on us.

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Right?

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Whether or not we can tolerate it, how we respond to it, it's all within us.

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And so we can either get, stuck with it or if we shift the way that we

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see things, we can start to turn it around and turn the situation around.

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And quite frankly, once we start to do that, that's when others come to us,

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that's when others start to trust us because they know that they can, have

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this rapport with us and still get to a place of common good is what I'll call it.

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Jean did you feel this is, this is actually the beginning

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of a question that I'm, I've got a couple questions to follow up.

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Did you feel, and I'm looking at the diplomas behind you here, did you feel

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somewhat entitled a certain path or a certain level of respect or honor?

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I don't even know what kind of words we

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Oh yeah.

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because

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of the hard work you had done that you would step in and all would be great.

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so was entitlement part of it?

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I think there's a level of entitlement that comes with it

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and it's an entitlement that I.

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I don't, I don't wanna overlook it, but I will say, I think we're fed it, right?

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oh, we're fed this story.

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That if you go to a good university and you do all the work you're supposed

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to and you behave the way you're supposed to, then when you enter the

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workplace, you'll get X, Y, and Z.

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And when you don't get X, Y, and Z, you're just like, wait, what?

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I was supposed to get X, Y, and Z People were supposed to respect me, right?

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Because I came from here and I have this, and I meet the qualifications that they

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asked for so they would respect me, right?

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And at the end of the day, that that has nothing to do with it.

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You earn people's respect through the work that you do, through

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your interactions that you have.

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And it's never really about, and this is something that you know as a mom too.

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'cause my teenager, not my teenager, my son is turning to be a teenager next year.

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This is something that we struggle with.

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I think even more now than we did in the past, in the sense that.

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Your degree, your piece of paper, your resume never guarantees you success.

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It never guarantees you to work with professionals.

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Only.

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We work in an environment where there's so much diversity in the backgrounds

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of everyone that's around us, that if we don't know how to handle

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ourselves we'll never know how to work with the others around us as well.

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and I love the general message is all about looking at

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ourselves because what I, what I heard you say was basically you had all your

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degrees and all that kind of stuff, and that got you to the starting line

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that got you to the place to start.

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And I was reminded of a

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weird story.

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I'm gonna share this and then, and then I think it opens up

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the door for us to discuss.

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More.

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Years ago I was having my hair cut with a friend and she was standing

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there with scissors in her hand, cutting my hair, looking in the

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mirror, and she commented, my wife and I just celebrated an anniversary.

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And her comment was, I really do wish.

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I had a marriage like you and my wife Gloria, and she was at the time, and I'm

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not judging this, this is an observation.

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She was on her third husband and, and she was complaining about each one of them.

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Okay?

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And, and I should not have said this with someone who's standing

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there with scissors in her hand.

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And she was looking in the mirror, and usually when she cut hair,

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she looked in the mirror herself.

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She didn't look at me, which gives you a little

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clue as to her.

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And I made the statement, I said, maybe not them, maybe it's you.

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Hmm.

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Which is a pretty harsh statement.

Tim Winders: 00:18:00

And again, she's standing there with scissors in her hand.

Tim Winders: 00:18:02

And my hair's about half cut.

Tim Winders: 00:18:04

but I think the reality of it is, I'm hearing you say, I.

Tim Winders: 00:18:10

Maybe it's not.

Tim Winders: 00:18:11

I think the manager that you first used, you called him Bob in the video I watched.

Tim Winders: 00:18:15

Maybe it's not the five bobs that you worked for that were all jerks.

Tim Winders: 00:18:21

Maybe it's Gene.

Tim Winders: 00:18:23

So how do we start, if you're saying it's us, how do we start looking at

Tim Winders: 00:18:29

how we adjust instead of blaming I, I don't blaming whatever, being a

Tim Winders: 00:18:33

victim, we could use a lot of words, but

Tim Winders: 00:18:35

how how do we start that process to realize,

Tim Winders: 00:18:38

first of all, if they're listening in here, that's probably one of

Tim Winders: 00:18:40

the starts, but how do they start?

Jean Tien: 00:18:42

Yes.

Jean Tien: 00:18:42

yeah, I call them Bob.

Jean Tien: 00:18:43

and the reason I call them Bob is because what it represents is Bo block of beliefs.

Jean Tien: 00:18:49

And so it's all about our beliefs and our beliefs filter.

Jean Tien: 00:18:56

. our reality, right?

Jean Tien: 00:18:58

Our beliefs are the way that we perceive what we're going through.

Jean Tien: 00:19:03

And and by no means am I saying that Bob was faultless and that Bob is perfect.

Jean Tien: 00:19:08

I think if you had a certain problem with Bob, then 10 other people probably

Jean Tien: 00:19:13

have the same problem with Bob.

Jean Tien: 00:19:15

Now the problem now not the problem, but the reality of the

Jean Tien: 00:19:18

matter is that all 10 people won't have the same reaction to Bob.

Jean Tien: 00:19:23

So why is it that you have this reaction to Bob?

Jean Tien: 00:19:26

Why did, was it that I had this reaction to Bob, where I let Bob, impact my

Jean Tien: 00:19:31

emotions every day, where I went home crying, where I literally gave myself

Jean Tien: 00:19:35

insomnia because of all the stress and anxiety that I put on myself.

Jean Tien: 00:19:38

thinking that it was Bob who put this on me, right?

Jean Tien: 00:19:41

and so I think that's a great question in terms of how do we start identifying

Jean Tien: 00:19:47

why this is bothering us so much, or why Bob is bothering us so much.

Jean Tien: 00:19:51

I think it's really asking ourselves the questions that

Jean Tien: 00:19:53

we're too afraid to ask ourselves.

Jean Tien: 00:19:56

And if Bob did something really mean then, for lack of a better word, we'll

Jean Tien: 00:20:02

say mean because it's very broad umbrella.

Jean Tien: 00:20:05

Then why are we so mad?

Jean Tien: 00:20:08

Like, why are we so mad that Bob did this right?

Jean Tien: 00:20:12

And, okay, so Bob shouldn't have done it.

Jean Tien: 00:20:15

Agreed.

Jean Tien: 00:20:16

But then why did it this generate this level or trigger this

Jean Tien: 00:20:19

level of reaction within us?

Jean Tien: 00:20:22

What is it bringing up?

Jean Tien: 00:20:23

And a lot of the times it's something to do with our own fears, our own past

Jean Tien: 00:20:28

experience, what we think it means.

Jean Tien: 00:20:31

A lot of times it's a disrespect type of thing, I think amongst all of us.

Jean Tien: 00:20:35

if I was respected, Bob wouldn't do this.

Jean Tien: 00:20:38

And maybe not.

Jean Tien: 00:20:39

I don't know.

Jean Tien: 00:20:40

Bob is Bob, right?

Jean Tien: 00:20:41

we don't know.

Jean Tien: 00:20:42

But when we feel disrespected, when we're afraid that this means we're gonna

Jean Tien: 00:20:47

get fired or whatever the situation is, it generates this reaction.

Jean Tien: 00:20:52

And then so when we start to look at where this trigger comes from.

Jean Tien: 00:20:57

What had triggered this type of reaction, what our main fears are, or

Jean Tien: 00:21:02

what the beliefs are on this thing.

Jean Tien: 00:21:04

Then we can really start to dissect it and then we can start to determine,

Jean Tien: 00:21:09

okay, does one plus one always equal two?

Jean Tien: 00:21:13

Right.

Jean Tien: 00:21:14

So in the past, let's say, I'll use my childhood.

Jean Tien: 00:21:17

If I did something wrong, I always got in trouble and the punishment

Jean Tien: 00:21:21

usually wasn't very, enjoyable.

Jean Tien: 00:21:23

, I'll put it like that, right?

Jean Tien: 00:21:25

And then, okay, if I make a mistake and Bob gets really mad, does that

Jean Tien: 00:21:31

mean that the punishment won't be, that enjoyable, will be the same level of

Jean Tien: 00:21:34

pain or hurt or frustration or sadness?

Jean Tien: 00:21:37

And it's usually no, because we're not at the same place anymore.

Jean Tien: 00:21:41

But in recognizing this and in seeing this, we can then start to

Jean Tien: 00:21:44

take it apart and say, it's, is it really true for us to today?

Jean Tien: 00:21:48

Or, is it something different now?

Jean Tien: 00:21:50

And then what if it's something different?

Jean Tien: 00:21:52

How can we overcome the beliefs that we have, the experiences that we

Jean Tien: 00:21:56

have to start to respond differently to the same type of triggers that

Jean Tien: 00:22:02

we have, which is always going to be in a form of Bob somewhere.

Tim Winders: 00:22:06

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:22:07

And the other thing that I think many of us forget is that Bob could be

Tim Winders: 00:22:10

going through the same process himself.

Jean Tien: 00:22:13

Oh yes,

Tim Winders: 00:22:13

He may not wanna be where he's at.

Tim Winders: 00:22:15

He may think that he deserves some different role and

Tim Winders: 00:22:17

then, we bring in this whole.

Tim Winders: 00:22:19

I hate to bring up the word.

Tim Winders: 00:22:20

not really diversity, it could be that if both of us work for Bob and

Tim Winders: 00:22:25

I'm a guy, and Bob's a guy, and we go

Tim Winders: 00:22:28

out to lunch once a week.

Tim Winders: 00:22:30

You're sitting there going, I don't go out to lunch once a week, Bob.

Tim Winders: 00:22:34

They must be buddies.

Tim Winders: 00:22:35

we may not be buddies.

Tim Winders: 00:22:36

We may just whatever, go out to lunch.

Tim Winders: 00:22:38

I don't know.

Tim Winders: 00:22:38

but, so there's a lot of things that factor in

Jean Tien: 00:22:42

Yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:22:42

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:22:42

and what I'm hearing, Jean and I think this is what I've picked

Tim Winders: 00:22:45

up on and maybe I think this is a good place to go with the conversation,

Tim Winders: 00:22:50

is that really we have to kind of own this We, we it's not like we can

Tim Winders: 00:22:57

offload this or get even AI to help us with it, which is interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:23:02

Buzzword or anything like that.

Tim Winders: 00:23:03

Now we, we really, I.

Tim Winders: 00:23:06

Have to come to terms with owning this and taking charge, control, whatever word.

Tim Winders: 00:23:11

There's

Tim Winders: 00:23:11

probably a lot of words we could use.

Jean Tien: 00:23:13

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:23:14

And, and is that correct?

Tim Winders: 00:23:15

And, and, and what does that look like?

Tim Winders: 00:23:17

What did it look like for you as you came along?

Jean Tien: 00:23:20

Yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:23:21

So for me it was really, yes, absolutely.

Jean Tien: 00:23:26

We have to own it.

Jean Tien: 00:23:26

Otherwise Bob owns us and so it's either we're going to take control

Jean Tien: 00:23:32

of the situation or as much control as we can of this situation.

Jean Tien: 00:23:36

Or somebody else is gonna control our emotions, our beliefs, our reactions.

Jean Tien: 00:23:40

And in terms of how it looked like, for me, it was just to a point where like

Jean Tien: 00:23:44

I was so uncomfortable, I sought help.

Jean Tien: 00:23:47

So for your clients, they seek you out for help.

Jean Tien: 00:23:50

And I sought out a coach for help and it was really, it was really beneficial

Jean Tien: 00:23:55

because my coach was able to share with me and to shed light on the areas that

Jean Tien: 00:24:01

I never knew didn't need to happen.

Jean Tien: 00:24:04

So for example, I always thought oh, if you mess up then you have to be scared

Jean Tien: 00:24:08

'cause you're gonna get in trouble.

Jean Tien: 00:24:09

And then so like my coach showed me like, no, you don't have to be scared.

Jean Tien: 00:24:13

We're all human and you can make a mistake.

Jean Tien: 00:24:16

And, this is how you go forward and move it and forward and move forward with it.

Jean Tien: 00:24:20

But that's not what I was taught.

Jean Tien: 00:24:22

I was taught I had to be perfect.

Jean Tien: 00:24:23

I was taught that, anything outside of perfection meant that

Jean Tien: 00:24:25

we were going to fail and that I would, I should fix it right away.

Jean Tien: 00:24:29

And so having that third party perspective is super, super helpful.

Jean Tien: 00:24:34

Now, we can't always afford a third party to help us, but if there's

Jean Tien: 00:24:39

somebody that we can trust to be able to be honest with us, it's definitely

Jean Tien: 00:24:43

worth having that conversation.

Jean Tien: 00:24:45

But also recognize the fact, and I think this is where so many

Jean Tien: 00:24:48

people go wrong too, is that

Jean Tien: 00:24:51

And I was actually just telling my friend this too, is that we can, we should

Jean Tien: 00:24:54

only listen to the advice that resonates with us because as much as you and I

Jean Tien: 00:25:00

are coaches and forever, however many years we've done this, we still have

Jean Tien: 00:25:04

our own filters in place that may not necessarily be relevant or accessible

Jean Tien: 00:25:10

to the person that we're talking to.

Jean Tien: 00:25:12

And so getting an outside perspective is helpful, but at the end of the

Jean Tien: 00:25:17

day, it's really taking in the information that really resonates.

Jean Tien: 00:25:20

And does it always work and clear out the problem?

Jean Tien: 00:25:23

Maybe, maybe not, but I think it's, I think something we have

Jean Tien: 00:25:27

to get comfortable with too.

Jean Tien: 00:25:29

It's not a one and done process.

Jean Tien: 00:25:31

It's an evolution.

Jean Tien: 00:25:32

It's a journey.

Jean Tien: 00:25:33

It's trial and error.

Jean Tien: 00:25:35

And so maybe we thought, sorry, my dog is on this side.

Jean Tien: 00:25:38

I don't know if you hear her, but.

Jean Tien: 00:25:40

Maybe we thought that this would work today, but, if it

Jean Tien: 00:25:44

didn't, maybe it wasn't meant to.

Jean Tien: 00:25:45

Maybe we have to look at it something else.

Jean Tien: 00:25:47

Maybe there was something missing that we weren't comfortable accepting

Jean Tien: 00:25:50

or looking at in the first place.

Tim Winders: 00:25:52

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:25:53

We'll, welcome the dog in on the show here.

Tim Winders: 00:25:55

What's the dog's name?

Tim Winders: 00:25:56

Just so we can give proper credit.

Jean Tien: 00:25:58

Sure.

Jean Tien: 00:25:59

Her name is Oreo and she's a puppy.

Jean Tien: 00:26:01

We just got her and if you can hear, I apologize.

Jean Tien: 00:26:05

I gave her treats.

Jean Tien: 00:26:06

I thought she was gonna calm down.

Jean Tien: 00:26:07

clear.

Jean Tien: 00:26:08

She's like going wild.

Tim Winders: 00:26:09

We will just welcome, everybody kind of knows that I broadcast

Tim Winders: 00:26:13

my section from an RV and we could have blowers and noises and stuff like that.

Tim Winders: 00:26:18

So we'll welcome Oreo in.

Tim Winders: 00:26:21

Maybe we'll ask a few questions of Oreo shortly, or maybe we

Jean Tien: 00:26:24

Okay.

Jean Tien: 00:26:25

Thanks Tim.

Tim Winders: 00:26:26

Jean, something that's that.

Tim Winders: 00:26:27

Gosh, this comes up a lot and I, and I, and I wish it didn't, but I

Tim Winders: 00:26:33

think it's appropriate when we talk about these things, we also have

Tim Winders: 00:26:39

to bring in things like culture.

Tim Winders: 00:26:43

Gender um, you know, structures, , you know, what part of the world we're in.

Tim Winders: 00:26:48

All these different things have to be factored in.

Tim Winders: 00:26:52

and the reason that I wanna do that is because I think you

Tim Winders: 00:26:56

work primarily with females.

Tim Winders: 00:26:58

Is that correct?

Jean Tien: 00:27:01

Yes, for the most part, I work for females.

Jean Tien: 00:27:03

yes.

Tim Winders: 00:27:05

Okay.

Tim Winders: 00:27:05

So then this is a question that I seem to ask a lot when I have someone like you on,

Tim Winders: 00:27:10

is it what are, and here's the reason why.

Tim Winders: 00:27:12

Let me preface this.

Tim Winders: 00:27:14

Many times when we're talking about similar topics with say, a male,

Tim Winders: 00:27:22

we're not having the discussion about you need to take charge, you need

Tim Winders: 00:27:27

to be in control of the situation.

Tim Winders: 00:27:29

And I must admit, I am sitting here listening, going, yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:27:32

yeah, yeah, I get that.

Tim Winders: 00:27:33

But I also think back to my nine years, right?

Tim Winders: 00:27:36

When I came outta Georgia Tech and went into corporate, I, I was probably a bob.

Tim Winders: 00:27:43

I probably walked in thinking that I owned the place.

Tim Winders: 00:27:46

I'm not saying that's good either, but I don't think I thought

Tim Winders: 00:27:49

about some of those things.

Tim Winders: 00:27:52

So let's talk a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:27:54

As much as I hate to go here, let's talk a little bit about either

Tim Winders: 00:28:00

cultural and or just the differences.

Tim Winders: 00:28:02

And I don't like to group people, but we're about to do it.

Tim Winders: 00:28:05

So what are some of the unique challenges related to those differences?

Jean Tien: 00:28:11

So, let me know if this answers your question, Tim.

Jean Tien: 00:28:13

I think, and happy to just be honest and, full disclosure, I'm

Jean Tien: 00:28:17

not easily offended, so feel free to say whatever it's totally okay.

Jean Tien: 00:28:21

Yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:28:21

that's what benefits everybody else, right?

Jean Tien: 00:28:22

To have an open and honest conversation.

Jean Tien: 00:28:25

I think there are differences because that's what, that's what

Jean Tien: 00:28:28

makes us unique are the differences are our lived experiences.

Jean Tien: 00:28:34

And you and I don't have the same lived experience.

Jean Tien: 00:28:38

I am an Asian female and I'm 46 years old.

Jean Tien: 00:28:42

There are other Asian females who are 46 years old, similar, maybe

Jean Tien: 00:28:46

same diploma or whatever it is.

Jean Tien: 00:28:49

They, this person and I won't have the same experiences, right?

Jean Tien: 00:28:53

Because we . Never grew up with the same people or whatever.

Jean Tien: 00:28:57

Even my brother and myself don't have the same experiences because he had

Jean Tien: 00:29:01

a different life than I did, even though we lived under the same roof.

Jean Tien: 00:29:04

And so these are the differences that create and contribute to the experiences

Jean Tien: 00:29:09

that we have, the experiences that feed into our beliefs and our reactions

Jean Tien: 00:29:13

and our triggers and everything else.

Jean Tien: 00:29:16

And so the way that we see things will be different.

Jean Tien: 00:29:21

I think, I wanna say, I think most of us walk into a new job, especially

Jean Tien: 00:29:26

graduating from an MBA program or from, a university thinking something is going to

Jean Tien: 00:29:34

happen and that we deserve to be there.

Jean Tien: 00:29:35

And absolutely we all deserve to be there.

Jean Tien: 00:29:39

I, I think . when our expectations and the reality don't match.

Jean Tien: 00:29:44

I think that's where it's oh wait, that's like a big sign

Jean Tien: 00:29:47

of okay, wait, what happened?

Jean Tien: 00:29:49

And I think some of us are able to adapt and be more resilient to it, and others

Jean Tien: 00:29:55

are not necessarily going to be, and for me, I fell into that second part.

Jean Tien: 00:30:00

I fell into that latter category of not being resilient because I didn't

Jean Tien: 00:30:05

know how to handle differences.

Jean Tien: 00:30:07

I didn't know how to have conflict, conflict, free

Jean Tien: 00:30:11

conflict, if that makes sense.

Jean Tien: 00:30:12

Right.

Jean Tien: 00:30:14

Because I wasn't taught that.

Jean Tien: 00:30:16

Whereas if you were to walk in, you probably knew how to do it

Jean Tien: 00:30:20

and because you were taught that.

Jean Tien: 00:30:21

So everybody will be different.

Jean Tien: 00:30:23

And I think that's what creates um, that's what creates the interesting

Jean Tien: 00:30:28

situations that we have, whether it's at work or at home, outside, et cetera.

Tim Winders: 00:30:34

I, and I think the thing that's.

Tim Winders: 00:30:37

Tough.

Tim Winders: 00:30:38

it's it's tough for me, but I want to be better, and I think it's tough

Tim Winders: 00:30:44

for everybody at various levels is that we know the value of diversity.

Tim Winders: 00:30:54

It's just pulling it off to get everybody underneath one

Tim Winders: 00:30:57

roof is really, really hard.

Jean Tien: 00:31:01

Oh, yes it is.

Jean Tien: 00:31:03

It's great.

Jean Tien: 00:31:04

Theoretically, I think when you execute it in reality, people don't realize

Jean Tien: 00:31:10

how hard it is to actually make it work the way that we think it should work.

Jean Tien: 00:31:16

And then, so that's where we fail because it's in the nuances that creates,

Jean Tien: 00:31:24

quite frankly, the experiences that we have, whether it's good or it's bad.

Jean Tien: 00:31:28

And so if we can handle the nuances.

Jean Tien: 00:31:30

when it comes to that diversity aspect, it, it really does

Jean Tien: 00:31:34

benefit the overall organization.

Tim Winders: 00:31:38

So somewhere along the way you, you continued in the

Tim Winders: 00:31:42

corporate path, but then you started.

Tim Winders: 00:31:46

On the side, side, gig, side hustle,

Tim Winders: 00:31:48

another company,

Tim Winders: 00:31:49

whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:31:50

Tell me about the formation of that and then we'll probably start moving into

Tim Winders: 00:31:55

some of the things we could learn from all the things you've been teaching

Tim Winders: 00:31:57

and sharing in that environment.

Jean Tien: 00:32:00

yeah, absolutely.

Jean Tien: 00:32:01

and so for me, it's interesting because when I started to see

Jean Tien: 00:32:04

how . Much easier things can be.

Jean Tien: 00:32:08

When we started to shift the perspective, I realized like there's so many of

Jean Tien: 00:32:13

us that are suffering unnecessarily.

Jean Tien: 00:32:16

They're suffering in silence, but it's also so unnecessary, right?

Jean Tien: 00:32:20

And like all of this we do mostly to ourselves, I wanna say 80 to

Jean Tien: 00:32:24

90% of it we do to ourselves.

Jean Tien: 00:32:26

And when I started to realize that, and I felt like I was the biggest

Jean Tien: 00:32:30

quote unquote self, designated victim out there, and if I could see that

Jean Tien: 00:32:35

change, and if I could make this leap, then so many of us could do it too.

Jean Tien: 00:32:40

And we would have better working environments for

Jean Tien: 00:32:44

everybody, like everybody.

Jean Tien: 00:32:46

And so that's when.

Jean Tien: 00:32:47

I recognized, I was like, I can change that.

Jean Tien: 00:32:50

I can actually have influence in that and by sharing my experiences, by working

Jean Tien: 00:32:55

with others to help them see maybe where they're holding themselves back the

Jean Tien: 00:32:59

same way that I was doing to myself.

Jean Tien: 00:33:01

And so that's how I started, working with my clients and, sharing the

Jean Tien: 00:33:05

messages that I have out there as well.

Tim Winders: 00:33:07

So when did gimme a timeframe?

Tim Winders: 00:33:09

when was that, and where was

Tim Winders: 00:33:11

that in your career I.

Jean Tien: 00:33:15

Yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:33:16

So I wanna say it was about five years ago and it was, I wanna say it

Jean Tien: 00:33:20

was before CO but when Covid came, it really gave me an opportunity to devote

Jean Tien: 00:33:25

more time to it because I didn't have to commute two hours a day and I can

Jean Tien: 00:33:29

really be a little bit more flexible.

Jean Tien: 00:33:30

Yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:33:31

in terms of the time that I'm committing and how I spend it.

Jean Tien: 00:33:34

And I think in terms of where I was in my career, it's so interesting

Jean Tien: 00:33:38

because I was doing well in my career.

Jean Tien: 00:33:43

and yet I wasn't doing well in my career.

Jean Tien: 00:33:45

And that's when I started to see okay, if I make the mindset shift and stop trying

Jean Tien: 00:33:51

to please everyone, I can do better.

Jean Tien: 00:33:54

But then I'm, if I'm going up in the ladder, aren't I supposed to be happy?

Jean Tien: 00:33:59

Aren't I supposed to like, wanna go to work?

Jean Tien: 00:34:01

Aren't I supposed to feel, joy for more than 24 hours after I get promoted?

Jean Tien: 00:34:06

Because isn't that what we're all like supposed to be working for?

Jean Tien: 00:34:08

Right?

Jean Tien: 00:34:09

And yet, like I couldn't make myself feel joyful for the promotion

Jean Tien: 00:34:14

to like middle management or whatever, for more than 24 hours.

Jean Tien: 00:34:17

No matter how I'm like, oh, you should be grateful.

Jean Tien: 00:34:19

not everybody gets this.

Jean Tien: 00:34:21

You get more money and so why are you so unhappy?

Jean Tien: 00:34:24

You're broken.

Jean Tien: 00:34:25

Like, those were all the thoughts that basically came to my head and I was

Jean Tien: 00:34:28

like, wait, something is just not right.

Jean Tien: 00:34:30

And so that's when.

Jean Tien: 00:34:32

You know, I started talking to others, that's when I hired my

Jean Tien: 00:34:34

coach, and they're just like, it's not you, but it's you , essentially.

Jean Tien: 00:34:39

It's this is all you.

Jean Tien: 00:34:40

and that's when I realized that we can have all of the successes, and I put that

Jean Tien: 00:34:46

in quotes right, on the outside, but if we're not getting any of it on the inside,

Jean Tien: 00:34:51

it doesn't matter how much money we have.

Jean Tien: 00:34:53

It doesn't matter how high in the corporate ladder you have, you are, it

Jean Tien: 00:34:56

doesn't matter like what car you drive or what house you have, or, and quite

Jean Tien: 00:35:01

frankly, I hate to say this because I know I'll probably get some slack

Jean Tien: 00:35:04

for it from parents, but it doesn't matter how many kids you have, right?

Jean Tien: 00:35:07

Even though you love your kids, it doesn't matter how many kids you have,

Jean Tien: 00:35:11

if you can't be present with them, if you can't find the joy of having all of

Jean Tien: 00:35:16

the things that you have in your life.

Jean Tien: 00:35:19

And that's why, that's where I was in my career when I started.

Tim Winders: 00:35:24

One of the thing, and you just did a great job of almost

Tim Winders: 00:35:28

defining our redefining success mantra

Tim Winders: 00:35:33

that we have here.

Tim Winders: 00:35:34

you went through all of it, and I guess as a follow-up, I wanted to ask why

Tim Winders: 00:35:38

is money not a good gauge of success?

Jean Tien: 00:35:43

Oh wow.

Jean Tien: 00:35:43

Where do I start with that?

Jean Tien: 00:35:45

Money is just money.

Jean Tien: 00:35:47

And I know that sounds terrible, and I know some people will say, well,

Jean Tien: 00:35:50

that's probably because you have some of it, and you could say that.

Jean Tien: 00:35:52

And yes, there's absolutely some truth to that where, you know, I am not, on,

Jean Tien: 00:35:58

on homeless, on, the side of the street.

Jean Tien: 00:36:00

And I, and I do have some because I work, et cetera, but

Jean Tien: 00:36:05

money can go away at any time.

Jean Tien: 00:36:09

at any, at any day.

Jean Tien: 00:36:11

And I can have my job today, or I can't have my job today.

Jean Tien: 00:36:14

And I think the biggest example of that was the financial crisis in 2008 where

Jean Tien: 00:36:18

people who had worked for 50, 60 years on the verge of retirement lost everything

Jean Tien: 00:36:25

and they had to start all over again.

Jean Tien: 00:36:27

So does that mean that they were unsuccessful because of that situation?

Jean Tien: 00:36:32

Or do we need to reevaluate what we're basing our success on?

Jean Tien: 00:36:36

And I think what happens with money is that we start to define ourselves

Jean Tien: 00:36:40

based off of how much is in our bank account, . And if that's what it is,

Jean Tien: 00:36:46

then you don't need to have a family.

Jean Tien: 00:36:49

You don't need to have anything, right?

Jean Tien: 00:36:51

Like you don't need to have any experiences.

Jean Tien: 00:36:53

You just go to work, collect your paycheck, and the bigger it grows, then

Jean Tien: 00:36:57

does that mean that you have more value?

Jean Tien: 00:36:59

And if that's the case, then okay, that's great.

Jean Tien: 00:37:02

Because some people, they're fine with that.

Jean Tien: 00:37:04

But then others will ask, then what value have I contributed to the overall society?

Jean Tien: 00:37:10

What value have I contributed to my community, to the world today?

Jean Tien: 00:37:15

How have I made people's lives better?

Jean Tien: 00:37:17

And those are the people that I tend to work with because they want more in life.

Jean Tien: 00:37:24

And it's not saying that they won't have more money by pursuing more.

Jean Tien: 00:37:28

It's just saying that money in and of itself is just a piece of

Jean Tien: 00:37:32

paper for them that helps them.

Jean Tien: 00:37:34

It's like a means to the end that they're seeking

Tim Winders: 00:37:37

Yeah, and I, the thing that I found, because

Tim Winders: 00:37:40

that story of 2008 is our story,

Jean Tien: 00:37:44

Okay.

Tim Winders: 00:37:44

multiple companies, big house, all that kinda stuff, and I

Tim Winders: 00:37:47

found myself attaching my identity.

Tim Winders: 00:37:50

I.

Tim Winders: 00:37:51

To that success.

Tim Winders: 00:37:52

And so when all of a sudden that shifted change went away, blew up,

Tim Winders: 00:37:56

whatever terms you wanna use, I started questioning, okay, maybe I

Tim Winders: 00:38:00

wasn't as smart as good or whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:38:04

And so that's, and that becomes tough.

Tim Winders: 00:38:06

I I I love that you're pointing people more towards an inner, I think

Tim Winders: 00:38:11

a lot of people will tie faith in.

Tim Winders: 00:38:12

We don't shy away from that here.

Tim Winders: 00:38:14

For me, it was quite a faith journey.

Tim Winders: 00:38:17

But somewhere along the way you developed this method that's, I

Tim Winders: 00:38:20

call it success, but there's a period after each one of the words.

Tim Winders: 00:38:25

And so I don't know

Tim Winders: 00:38:25

if it's S period, U period.

Tim Winders: 00:38:28

the success method.

Tim Winders: 00:38:30

Tell

Tim Winders: 00:38:30

us about that.

Tim Winders: 00:38:31

And then maybe in the time we have, maybe we can unpack.

Tim Winders: 00:38:36

Did you see, I, you, I

Jean Tien: 00:38:37

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:38:37

word in.

Tim Winders: 00:38:38

I made it work.

Tim Winders: 00:38:38

While, we can unpack that a little bit for, for some folks so that they could

Tim Winders: 00:38:42

take some tangible things away from here.

Tim Winders: 00:38:44

So success method,

Tim Winders: 00:38:45

tell us about it.

Jean Tien: 00:38:47

absolutely.

Jean Tien: 00:38:47

So it is an acronym, as we love all good acronyms, it is an acronym, and

Jean Tien: 00:38:51

so I don't, I, there's seven steps to it because, one step for each letter,

Jean Tien: 00:38:55

I won't go through all of it, but I think some of the more important

Jean Tien: 00:38:58

ones is the first one for s Right.

Jean Tien: 00:39:01

And that's really important because this is where I see most people fail.

Jean Tien: 00:39:06

And it's the one that is so critical that most of my clients spend the most

Jean Tien: 00:39:11

time here, which is, it stands for sussing out your definition of success.

Jean Tien: 00:39:17

And most, actually all of my clients, when I've asked them like, okay, what

Jean Tien: 00:39:22

do you, you know, define your success?

Jean Tien: 00:39:24

they've never sat down to define their success.

Jean Tien: 00:39:27

They define it in a way that they think they're supposed to,

Jean Tien: 00:39:30

oh, I, I wanna make whatever.

Jean Tien: 00:39:32

I wanna have this, I wanna have that.

Jean Tien: 00:39:34

Okay.

Jean Tien: 00:39:35

But what's your definition of success and why is that important to you?

Jean Tien: 00:39:39

And so when we can, and the reason it's so important is because

Jean Tien: 00:39:44

this is the analogy that I use.

Jean Tien: 00:39:46

If you get into your car and you know you need to go somewhere, but you don't

Jean Tien: 00:39:51

have a def A, a destination to enter, then how do you know where to go?

Jean Tien: 00:39:57

Right.

Jean Tien: 00:39:58

You don't, you're gonna be driving around aimlessly hoping to one day be

Jean Tien: 00:40:03

placed in the right situation, and you just spend so much energy and gas and

Jean Tien: 00:40:09

money trying to figure it all out, and you get hopeless and lost along the way.

Jean Tien: 00:40:14

And so it's always important to have that destination.

Jean Tien: 00:40:17

So it keeps us on the path of where we wanna go, and then it becomes so

Jean Tien: 00:40:23

much easier to filter out all the things that are unimportant to us.

Jean Tien: 00:40:27

So that's the first step, and that's the s.

Tim Winders: 00:40:30

Good.

Tim Winders: 00:40:30

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:40:30

So I want to, I do agree because it's one of the reasons this show exists that is

Tim Winders: 00:40:38

probably the most challenging for people.

Tim Winders: 00:40:41

Probably always has been.

Tim Winders: 00:40:42

Probably always will be.

Tim Winders: 00:40:43

But and, and I'll, I'm gonna spout a few reasons why I think it might be,

Tim Winders: 00:40:50

and you could just respond and come back and maybe we could get Oreo to jump in.

Tim Winders: 00:40:54

I hear Oreo a little bit there.

Tim Winders: 00:40:56

Oreo can jump in and give some thoughts as a puppy that's probably chomping

Tim Winders: 00:41:00

down on some kind of toy or some treats.

Tim Winders: 00:41:02

That's

Jean Tien: 00:41:03

can hear it.

Tim Winders: 00:41:04

it.

Tim Winders: 00:41:04

That's his, is it a, he puppy.

Jean Tien: 00:41:07

yeah,

Jean Tien: 00:41:07

her

Jean Tien: 00:41:08

successes, I got it.

Jean Tien: 00:41:09

And mom's not taking it away from me.

Jean Tien: 00:41:12

. Exactly.

Tim Winders: 00:41:13

I've got the treat and the toy and we're in good shape.

Tim Winders: 00:41:16

So the thing that I noticed, let me kinda share this.

Tim Winders: 00:41:22

We were, I was, we have a grown son, we have two grown children,

Tim Winders: 00:41:25

but we're our grown son and my wife and I, we were in Las Vegas recently

Tim Winders: 00:41:29

and we're sitting in Las Vegas and I just kinda shared this over lunch.

Tim Winders: 00:41:33

I said, you know, I think I like the thought of Las Vegas more than I like

Tim Winders: 00:41:40

the actual being here in Las Vegas.

Tim Winders: 00:41:43

And it got us on a great deep conversation of thinking we should

Tim Winders: 00:41:47

enjoy something, thinking that culture likes this or that or whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:41:52

now we've got all these, what we'll call social media where

Tim Winders: 00:41:55

we can compare to people.

Tim Winders: 00:41:58

I think very few people take the time to do what you're saying,

Tim Winders: 00:42:02

which is define what their.

Tim Winders: 00:42:06

Success is.

Tim Winders: 00:42:07

So I'll just pause and let you respond or say some things about maybe

Tim Winders: 00:42:12

other challenges or those challenges that you see with people doing it.

Jean Tien: 00:42:17

Yeah, I absolutely agree.

Jean Tien: 00:42:19

We think . We would enjoy something more than what is actually true for us,

Jean Tien: 00:42:27

because that's what we're told, right?

Jean Tien: 00:42:29

Oh, whatever stays in va, whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Jean Tien: 00:42:33

Which is gives that implicit message like it's gonna be fun

Jean Tien: 00:42:36

and it's gonna be exciting.

Jean Tien: 00:42:38

And like whatever happens, it's gonna be memorable and you're

Jean Tien: 00:42:41

gonna wanna talk about it.

Jean Tien: 00:42:43

that's brilliant marketing, right?

Jean Tien: 00:42:44

Why wouldn't I wanna go to a place like that?

Jean Tien: 00:42:47

And then when you get there, you're like, oh, it's kind of dirty.

Jean Tien: 00:42:50

And it's not that like exciting and it's not really my thing anymore.

Jean Tien: 00:42:54

But then I think this is where people start to look the other way because

Jean Tien: 00:43:00

then they're like, wait, but is it me?

Jean Tien: 00:43:02

Because they told me that, Ooh, whatever stays in va, whatever

Jean Tien: 00:43:05

happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

Jean Tien: 00:43:07

So am I the weird one that's not enjoying myself.

Jean Tien: 00:43:10

And it's no, there's a million other people that don't enjoy

Jean Tien: 00:43:13

Vegas and you're not the odd one.

Jean Tien: 00:43:16

You just happen to know.

Jean Tien: 00:43:17

you know what you like, but knowing what you like and accepting that you

Jean Tien: 00:43:22

like something different from the majority or what you're told, you're

Jean Tien: 00:43:26

supposed to, that's the hard part.

Jean Tien: 00:43:29

And I think that's where success goes wrong.

Jean Tien: 00:43:31

Right?

Jean Tien: 00:43:31

Because, you know, and I see this all the time, it's oh, I want a big house.

Jean Tien: 00:43:37

Wait, but why do I want a big house?

Jean Tien: 00:43:39

what does it mean to me?

Jean Tien: 00:43:40

Oh, I wanna drive the German cars and the luxury cars.

Jean Tien: 00:43:43

They're fun.

Jean Tien: 00:43:44

Okay, but then what about the maintenance and this and that?

Jean Tien: 00:43:47

And what about all those things?

Jean Tien: 00:43:48

we forget that sometimes we don't have the same likes or, preferences that

Jean Tien: 00:43:58

most of our . Other peers have, and we don't want to climb this corporate

Jean Tien: 00:44:04

ladder and that's okay, right?

Jean Tien: 00:44:06

And so because we wanna do something different, and I think the younger

Jean Tien: 00:44:10

generation, I will say, as much as like they get the crap, the younger generation

Jean Tien: 00:44:14

is much more accepting of the fact that they don't wanna follow the footsteps.

Jean Tien: 00:44:18

Whereas I think, my generation and above were just wait, but aren't we supposed to?

Jean Tien: 00:44:23

Isn't that what makes us like acceptable?

Jean Tien: 00:44:26

And isn't that what makes us fit in?

Jean Tien: 00:44:29

And if we go back to the original part of this conversation, it was like, we are

Jean Tien: 00:44:33

all looking for our place in this world.

Jean Tien: 00:44:35

And then, and it's really hard and it's really lonely, and I'm sure you

Jean Tien: 00:44:39

feel this too, because you're a coach.

Jean Tien: 00:44:40

And so when we see things that other people don't see, and you're trying

Jean Tien: 00:44:45

to find that community, it's really hard and it's really lonely sometimes,

Jean Tien: 00:44:49

and people just don't want to, they, they don't wanna deal with it.

Jean Tien: 00:44:52

and so it, it discourages them from looking for other definitions of

Jean Tien: 00:44:58

success and for allowing for their truth to be recognized and honored

Jean Tien: 00:45:04

and accepted by themselves because it, it could be a little uncomfortable.

Tim Winders: 00:45:09

I think for the most part we are all created for

Tim Winders: 00:45:13

something unique to do something unique and specific in this world.

Tim Winders: 00:45:19

But it seems like many people will copy and be

Tim Winders: 00:45:24

copycats and do

Tim Winders: 00:45:25

other things because it's tough to be different.

Tim Winders: 00:45:27

again, part of

Tim Winders: 00:45:27

the catalyst for what we're doing here is, you're talking, you're

Tim Winders: 00:45:31

Preaching to the choir here.

Tim Winders: 00:45:33

My wife and I live in an RV and travel.

Tim Winders: 00:45:35

We are, you mentioned being homeless earlier.

Tim Winders: 00:45:37

I'm sitting here going, we're homeless.

Tim Winders: 00:45:39

We don't have a home.

Tim Winders: 00:45:40

No,

Tim Winders: 00:45:40

we do, we have a motor coach and

Tim Winders: 00:45:43

we're down here in Arizona.

Tim Winders: 00:45:44

The weather's nice.

Tim Winders: 00:45:45

You're in New York.

Tim Winders: 00:45:45

It's cold.

Tim Winders: 00:45:46

I'm in a pretty good spot right now.

Tim Winders: 00:45:48

but part of that is, you have other people that ask often, what are y'all doing?

Tim Winders: 00:45:54

When are y'all gonna settle down?

Tim Winders: 00:45:55

What, when are you a place to go?

Tim Winders: 00:45:57

They, and sometimes I think people think it's, they think it

Tim Winders: 00:46:01

might be judging their choices.

Tim Winders: 00:46:03

I don't think it is.

Tim Winders: 00:46:04

I think when people walk their own path and then other times it's

Tim Winders: 00:46:07

just, they just don't understand.

Jean Tien: 00:46:09

yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:46:10

and I think there takes a certain degree of

Tim Winders: 00:46:13

courage to begin this process.

Tim Winders: 00:46:16

Talk a little

Tim Winders: 00:46:16

bit about that.

Tim Winders: 00:46:17

'cause I think that's what I picked up from you from the

Tim Winders: 00:46:20

video I watched is that I.

Tim Winders: 00:46:22

It took you a little while to all of a sudden have that, the Wizard of Oz.

Tim Winders: 00:46:28

You were given courage all of a sudden.

Tim Winders: 00:46:29

it takes courage to go through this, to ask for help, to go get a coach

Tim Winders: 00:46:33

or to sit down and say, I'm gonna work on this definition of success.

Tim Winders: 00:46:37

I.

Jean Tien: 00:46:38

Yeah, it definitely takes courage.

Jean Tien: 00:46:39

It's so uncomfortable at times and especially during the times where

Jean Tien: 00:46:45

you're at the precipice of growth because growth means you're getting

Jean Tien: 00:46:49

uncomfortable, because you're not, you're growing out of your comfort zone.

Jean Tien: 00:46:52

That's what growth is.

Jean Tien: 00:46:54

so it absolutely takes courage.

Jean Tien: 00:46:57

And what's more about it too, and this is, this is one thing that

Jean Tien: 00:47:01

I am going through right now.

Jean Tien: 00:47:02

So we're having a very, good conversation now in terms of

Jean Tien: 00:47:06

timeliness, is that I think we all want to control the circumstances.

Jean Tien: 00:47:12

We all want to have safety, and we think that by controlling

Jean Tien: 00:47:17

our circumstances, we are safe.

Jean Tien: 00:47:19

Whereas I think so many things around us have shown us that

Jean Tien: 00:47:23

there is no ability to control.

Jean Tien: 00:47:25

Any of us have no ability to control our circumstances.

Jean Tien: 00:47:29

The only thing we can control is how we respond to a situation.

Jean Tien: 00:47:34

And, but the thing is that it's scary when you go out there and

Jean Tien: 00:47:39

you follow an unconventional path.

Jean Tien: 00:47:42

And it doesn't even have to be that unconventional.

Jean Tien: 00:47:44

You don't have to, quit everything and then move whatever.

Jean Tien: 00:47:47

it doesn't have to be that unconventional.

Jean Tien: 00:47:49

But even something as simple as saying.

Jean Tien: 00:47:52

Okay, I'm going to accept the fact that I don't wanna work a nine to five.

Jean Tien: 00:47:58

I wanna pursue, a hobby or I don't care about the promotion.

Jean Tien: 00:48:02

I wanna spend the extra time instead of working.

Jean Tien: 00:48:04

I wanna be able to spend the time, knitting because that's what I love to do.

Jean Tien: 00:48:08

And trusting that it's going to be okay at the end, right?

Jean Tien: 00:48:12

Something so small as that, or seemingly small as that can take

Jean Tien: 00:48:17

a lot of courage because you know you're doing something that other

Jean Tien: 00:48:20

people think you're crazy for doing.

Jean Tien: 00:48:22

oh, why wouldn't you want a promotion?

Jean Tien: 00:48:23

Why don't you want more money?

Jean Tien: 00:48:25

Why don't you want da, da, da, da, right?

Jean Tien: 00:48:28

And it's no, because I put my personal joy ahead of all these things.

Jean Tien: 00:48:32

But few people value that sense of personal joy because we all work towards

Jean Tien: 00:48:38

that pot at the end of the rainbow.

Jean Tien: 00:48:41

And it's so funny because when have you ever seen a pot of gold

Jean Tien: 00:48:43

at the end of the rainbow, right?

Jean Tien: 00:48:46

So what you can only see now is what you have in front of you.

Jean Tien: 00:48:49

And, but we're taught to ignore that because we want, we wanna prolong,

Jean Tien: 00:48:56

our ability to enjoy the riches that we have because that's what makes

Jean Tien: 00:49:00

us a good person or so we're told.

Tim Winders: 00:49:04

So we're told.

Tim Winders: 00:49:06

So if someone is sitting here going, you know what I got, I've got to work on this.

Tim Winders: 00:49:12

Defining what success looks like for me.

Tim Winders: 00:49:15

and I know, listen, both of you and I would say get a coach.

Tim Winders: 00:49:17

Maybe that doesn't make sense for everyone, but what are a couple just like

Tim Winders: 00:49:22

quick tips and then I do want us to do maybe a quick run through the rest of the

Tim Winders: 00:49:26

system without going into a lot of detail.

Tim Winders: 00:49:28

But

Tim Winders: 00:49:29

I think, I think I agree with you.

Tim Winders: 00:49:30

This is like the most important.

Tim Winders: 00:49:32

So couple quick things for somebody who's listening, going, I need

Tim Winders: 00:49:36

to define my success better.

Tim Winders: 00:49:38

What are some

Tim Winders: 00:49:39

things that they can do tangible that can

Tim Winders: 00:49:41

get that process started or more clarity there?

Jean Tien: 00:49:44

Yeah, I think we start with the easiest part, right?

Jean Tien: 00:49:47

So I think what we start with is what does, like what is your

Jean Tien: 00:49:52

current metrics of success?

Jean Tien: 00:49:54

And I think so many of us will say the money, the whatever, whatever.

Jean Tien: 00:49:59

And it's fine.

Jean Tien: 00:49:59

There's absolutely no judgment in any of that, but write it all down.

Jean Tien: 00:50:04

So let's say you write your top five metrics of success.

Jean Tien: 00:50:07

So when I first started, it would be where I am in my career, how much

Jean Tien: 00:50:12

money I have, whether or not I'm married, whether or not I have kids.

Jean Tien: 00:50:15

Those are quite frankly all cultural things, right?

Jean Tien: 00:50:17

And let's just keep it at that four.

Jean Tien: 00:50:20

Now if I go, and then now the second step is to go back to each one of

Jean Tien: 00:50:24

these metrics and say, what is it about this metric that makes me successful?

Jean Tien: 00:50:34

And then it's to really be that.

Jean Tien: 00:50:38

Personal, investigator, right?

Jean Tien: 00:50:42

And really dig deep into it.

Jean Tien: 00:50:44

Okay, money makes me successful because if I have money, then I can,

Jean Tien: 00:50:47

buy all these different things and, okay, so I can have an island and

Jean Tien: 00:50:53

I can have all of these things, but does that truly make me successful?

Jean Tien: 00:50:58

because everybody has, I take that back.

Jean Tien: 00:51:01

Most of your audience, most of, the people we know have money in the bank.

Jean Tien: 00:51:07

So does that make us successful?

Jean Tien: 00:51:09

And I think if we look back 10 years ago, oh, I wanted this amount in the

Jean Tien: 00:51:13

bank and I'm pretty sure most of us probably met or exceeded that amount.

Jean Tien: 00:51:17

So are we successful?

Jean Tien: 00:51:19

Is that where we stop now?

Jean Tien: 00:51:20

And then, so it's just to keep looking at the circumstances and say, okay, you

Jean Tien: 00:51:26

know what, maybe it's not the money, maybe it's what money represents, right?

Jean Tien: 00:51:31

Oh, I want the ability to make, to have freedom.

Jean Tien: 00:51:34

I want the ability to make my own decisions.

Jean Tien: 00:51:36

That's great.

Jean Tien: 00:51:38

That's what success is.

Jean Tien: 00:51:39

It's not the money, it's what that represents.

Jean Tien: 00:51:42

And a big house, is it really the house size?

Jean Tien: 00:51:44

Because I can think of a million reasons why a big house isn't successful.

Jean Tien: 00:51:48

Like I would have to clean it, right?

Jean Tien: 00:51:50

And then so it's is it just a place to live?

Jean Tien: 00:51:52

Is it to be comfortable?

Jean Tien: 00:51:53

Is it place to entertain your friends?

Jean Tien: 00:51:55

And then okay, so what is it that you're really looking

Jean Tien: 00:51:57

for with that as well, right?

Jean Tien: 00:51:59

Or is it just what society tells you that you have to do?

Jean Tien: 00:52:02

And so if you go through each one of these metrics, I think you'll become clearer

Jean Tien: 00:52:09

on what your definition of success is.

Jean Tien: 00:52:11

And one thing I wanna caveat here too is that definitions of success evolves.

Jean Tien: 00:52:17

It's never static.

Jean Tien: 00:52:19

And so, and I think we learn that, right?

Jean Tien: 00:52:21

If you look back at your kids or as our, at ourselves when we were younger,

Jean Tien: 00:52:25

it's to get an A in this test or get a, you know, whatever it is, right?

Jean Tien: 00:52:30

And so we keep evolving and so I think it's so important to remind everyone that,

Jean Tien: 00:52:36

Wherever they are.

Jean Tien: 00:52:37

It's always important to keep reevaluating your definition of success.

Jean Tien: 00:52:41

Does this really hold true for me today?

Jean Tien: 00:52:43

and there's no judgment on it if you look back and say oh,

Jean Tien: 00:52:46

I can't believe I used that.

Jean Tien: 00:52:48

yeah.

Jean Tien: 00:52:48

But that's what was important to you at that point.

Jean Tien: 00:52:50

So what is important to you today and how do we, go forward and achieve it?

Tim Winders: 00:52:55

Yeah, that's part of the journey we're on.

Tim Winders: 00:52:57

We've got just a few minutes here.

Tim Winders: 00:52:59

Tell us what you'd like to about the U-C-C-E-S-S.

Tim Winders: 00:53:04

Either,

Tim Winders: 00:53:05

either the, which one, what they are, if you wanna hit a high point or two, and

Tim Winders: 00:53:09

then we'll let people know how they could connect with you and get some

Tim Winders: 00:53:12

more info and all if they need to.

Jean Tien: 00:53:15

Absolutely.

Jean Tien: 00:53:15

So I think as you're going through this process, the U is to

Jean Tien: 00:53:18

underline, the successes that you've already achieved, and then the C

Jean Tien: 00:53:22

is to create new success goals.

Jean Tien: 00:53:25

And I think as you're going through this process, what you'll realize is that your

Jean Tien: 00:53:29

goals are bigger than anything you've ever been allowed to dream of before or

Jean Tien: 00:53:33

to even imagine that you can achieve.

Jean Tien: 00:53:35

And so it's super important to go through this process to understand

Jean Tien: 00:53:39

where the fears that are coming from.

Jean Tien: 00:53:42

To really investigate them as well.

Jean Tien: 00:53:44

It's a lot of self investigation, right?

Jean Tien: 00:53:46

Like a personal detective to look through and then really to, it's about the

Jean Tien: 00:53:51

energy that you stay in and I think that it's most important to find what's most

Jean Tien: 00:53:56

important to us because when we do that, it's like natural fuel is what I call it.

Jean Tien: 00:54:02

Because you're never gonna wanna give up because there is a value to it that

Jean Tien: 00:54:06

you see that keeps you moving forward.

Jean Tien: 00:54:09

And, yeah, that's, that.

Jean Tien: 00:54:11

I think those are the main points of the success method.

Tim Winders: 00:54:13

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:54:14

That's very good.

Tim Winders: 00:54:15

tell us, Jean, you've got a lot of stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:54:16

You've got podcast, you've got you speak, you coach, you've got this system.

Tim Winders: 00:54:22

Tell us what you want to about where people c connect with

Tim Winders: 00:54:25

you, where they could go.

Tim Winders: 00:54:27

And and then I've got one more question before we wrap up and finish

Jean Tien: 00:54:31

Yeah, absolutely.

Jean Tien: 00:54:32

So they can find me on my website.

Jean Tien: 00:54:34

It's gene tn.com and I'm also active on Instagram and it's at Gene ftn.

Jean Tien: 00:54:39

So I think those are the two main places that I would, direct people

Jean Tien: 00:54:42

to if they wanna learn more.

Tim Winders: 00:54:44

Perfect.

Tim Winders: 00:54:44

and tell us all that you have available that you really do,

Tim Winders: 00:54:49

that you like to pour into people with this process and this method.

Jean Tien: 00:54:55

Yeah, so they, there's a book called Your Success Blueprint

Jean Tien: 00:54:57

where I walked through basically the entire success process.

Jean Tien: 00:55:02

And then, there's also, if you want just a quick listen, not to

Jean Tien: 00:55:05

take time away from Tim's amazing podcast, but I also have one too.

Jean Tien: 00:55:09

And it's called Being Unapologetically Authentic, where we really just also

Jean Tien: 00:55:13

start to take the, the scariness away from looking at success in a different

Jean Tien: 00:55:18

way, similar to your goal here, Tim.

Jean Tien: 00:55:21

And yeah, I think those are two really good places to start.

Tim Winders: 00:55:24

There was a good, and here's what a lot of people may love,

Tim Winders: 00:55:27

because we're 60 minutes usually long.

Tim Winders: 00:55:30

I went and listened to a couple of Seven minute podcast episodes of yours

Tim Winders: 00:55:34

yesterday, and one was something that we talk a lot about here, which is

Tim Winders: 00:55:39

Kind of the anti hustles and grind culture and, and that's a great fit.

Tim Winders: 00:55:45

I do think, go subscribe and join up

Tim Winders: 00:55:47

over there and listen in.

Tim Winders: 00:55:48

Listen in over there, gene, we are seek, go create those three words.

Tim Winders: 00:55:53

I'm gonna let you choose one of those words.

Tim Winders: 00:55:55

If you need to consult with Oreo and y'all come up with a team answer, that's fine.

Tim Winders: 00:55:59

But, seek, go or create, which one of those words resonates

Tim Winders: 00:56:03

more than the other and why?

Jean Tien: 00:56:05

Yeah, I think Oreo would agree.

Jean Tien: 00:56:06

Seeking is most important and it should be of no surprise after

Jean Tien: 00:56:10

what we just talked about as well.

Jean Tien: 00:56:12

I think seeking our truth is really truly the first step that we can all

Jean Tien: 00:56:16

take to create the success that we all have been working so hard for.

Tim Winders: 00:56:23

Excellent.

Tim Winders: 00:56:23

Jean, this has really almost been a masterclass of what we started this

Tim Winders: 00:56:29

podcast for, of redefining success.

Tim Winders: 00:56:32

I think that what you discussed and what you're doing is so aligned

Tim Winders: 00:56:38

with what we're doing here at Seat GoCreate, and I appreciate that.

Tim Winders: 00:56:41

So I highly recommend everyone and thank you for the conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:56:45

I highly recommend any, anyone, if you've listened in, jump

Tim Winders: 00:56:48

over to being unapologetic with, is that being unapologetic

Jean Tien: 00:56:52

uh, it's being unapologetically authentic.

Jean Tien: 00:56:55

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:56:55

authentic.

Tim Winders: 00:56:56

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:56:57

With Jean Tn.

Tim Winders: 00:56:58

Go check that out and subscribe there.

Tim Winders: 00:57:00

and look at the success method.

Tim Winders: 00:57:01

Go to her website and follow her.

Tim Winders: 00:57:03

I think that'd be a great match for what we're doing here.

Tim Winders: 00:57:05

We are Seek, go Create.

Tim Winders: 00:57:07

We have new episodes every Monday.

Tim Winders: 00:57:10

Until next time, continue being all that you are created to be.