Winning at Home and Work: Cory Carlson’s Blueprint for Impactful Success

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Fear and faith have one thing in common and it's the future.

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Fear thinks the future's bad.

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Faith thinks the future's good.

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And for me, I think about that phrase a lot, like, Hey, if I'm having bad

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thoughts, that there, there's a fear piece into it as opposed to faith.

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What if winning at work didn't have to come at the cost of your home life?

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In this episode of Seek, go Create the Leadership journey.

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We're joined by Cory Carlson, a former executive turned coach, speaker,

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and founder of Rise, A faith-driven community, helping leaders integrate

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purpose, family, and business.

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As the author of Win At Home First and Rise and Go, Corey Equips leaders to

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lead Well at Work and Thrive at home, explore what it means to build your

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life on the rock, lead authentically and pursue impact that lasts for generations.

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you're a CEO entrepreneur or simply someone seeking more alignment

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in your life, this conversation will challenge encourage you.

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Corey, welcome to Seek, go create.

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Tim, thank you very much for having me, man.

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I enjoyed our conversation before you even hit record, so I

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have no idea where we're going.

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It's gonna be fun.

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It is gonna be fun.

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It was kind of one of these deals that we go, man, we gotta get the recorder going.

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'cause this is some good stuff here.

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Yeah.

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So, man, let's start with my man.

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This isn't a icebreaker question.

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This is like a deep

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I.

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pool question.

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would you rather answer?

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do you do?

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Or who are you?

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Go ahead and pick it and start answering.

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What do I do?

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Or who am I, man?

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I, I don't know, maybe some days I'd answer it differently or I'd pick

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the, the, the different one to answer.

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The one I'm gonna go with is, who am I?

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And, it's top of mind because of a call I had this morning.

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I was talking to a prospect, does he want to engage in coaching or not?

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And, you know, it's usually a fact finding question, Hey, what do they do?

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Tell me about your business.

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Tell me about your family.

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Just, you know, the journey.

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And one question I kinda always ask, is, you know, why now?

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Why are you reaching out now to me to possibly hire me as a coach?

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And that usually unfolds a a just a, a great depth of conversation.

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And so when I said, why now?

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His response was, well, about a year ago, I took six weeks

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off 'cause I was burned out.

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he goes on to explain the story that as he was leaving a kid's activity,

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he felt he was having a heart attack, went to the hospital and threw it all.

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Ended up taking four weeks off, plus two weeks of his vacation.

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So a total of six weeks off and obviously says, oh wow, man, what?

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And as we talk about it, I talk about the burnout.

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Why the burnout?

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We got to this point where his identity was in what he did.

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His identity was being a successful business owner.

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And even though it was a prospect call, and I may lose the prospect, who knows?

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But I was like, this is an opportunity.

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I need to talk to him and help him.

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And so what we talked about is our identity can't be tied to temporary

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things because they will go away.

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His identity, was tied to his job, his success, his revenue, and that goes away.

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And many listeners probably are familiar with this idea.

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But just due to the demands of work, he drifted and he was

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tying his identity to work.

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Same thing.

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If you tire your identity to your kids, what happens if your kids flunk outta

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high school or, an unplanned pregnancy?

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Does that mean you're a bad dad, a bad mom?

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When we take our identity to temporary things that go away, so

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to answer the question, who am I?

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I'm a beloved son of God.

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And from that, I then can be a husband.

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I can then with confidence, be a parent.

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I can then be a coach, a speaker, a writer, a friend, a community

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leader, whatever it could be.

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And years ago I learned this phrase that I still lean into a lot because, you

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know, approval can be a challenge of mine.

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I, I wanna be liked by others.

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When I recognize my true identity as being a beloved son of God, then I know I can

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then operate from a place of approval as opposed to for approval when I'm always

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searching for other people's approval.

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I mean, it's, it's a endless chase and therefore that is who I am.

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I, I am a beloved son of God.

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That's good.

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one of the things that's part of the way I'm made up is the

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need for significance, which is related to that need for approval.

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Mm-hmm.

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if they're not the same, they're definitely related.

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Mm-hmm.

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And, and it's not a bad thing to wanna be significant, I don't think it's a

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bad thing to wanna be, to want approval.

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I think it's bad when it starts to drive you and you become addicted to it and you

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start striving for it in all that you do.

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so many things around that beloved son of God that I think I want us to discuss

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before we go further it's foundational.

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and then I also want to come back to that identity because of the community

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you have, the books you've written, I'm guessing that that identity issue

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comes up time and time and time again.

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Mm-hmm.

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But before we get to all that, I'm kind of teasing the audience a little bit

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and also trying to keep myself on track.

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I love when someone answers.

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I'm a beloved son of God, I.

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Mm-hmm.

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It sounds good, but I'm gonna be a bit cynical here and say, it

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also sounds like church language,

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Mm-hmm.

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that some of us might say.

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So first question is, when did you start recognizing and realizing that

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you were that, and then secondly, give me a little bit more of what

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that looks like in your life.

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How does that translate into either actions or inaction or whatever?

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Yeah, it totally does.

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I'd fall in that camp too, of being cynical.

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Beloved son of God.

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Yeah.

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Church language that's real, real, real great.

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and I was that way for years.

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I am 48 and I, I'd say my mid thirties is when I really started to embrace

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it more and it's really been just more of a piling on of good information and

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experiences and mentors and coaches,

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Point me to the right scripture and helped me learn that it's just

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gotten better and better since then.

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and for me, you know, it, you know, dates, you know, kind of dates back to,

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in my mid thirties of striving of kind of grinding and doing all these things

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and realizing myself similar to that, that prospect story I said of burnout.

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Luckily I never had to take a bunch of time off, but through a variety of

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things in all areas of my life from, you know, low valleys in, in the marriage

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to financial woes of almost having to file bankruptcy when a bunch of real

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estate deals went bad to, just work.

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And that endless pursuit of more and more, more through all of those, I realized that

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they aren't working, they aren't bringing joy, they aren't bringing happiness.

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Thinking about christiany things, they're all trying to fill that hole in your

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heart that only God could fill, which I know sounds kind of cheesy, but I felt

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it and I experienced it, that all those other things were endless pursuits.

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And then if I spent time recognizing that, God is, you know, it, it,

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and I, I, I'm, I didn't even master the praying, to God as my father.

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Like some people are really good about that.

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You know, sometimes I'm father, sometimes I'm God, you know, it kind

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of depends on, the day where I'm at.

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I mean, it's still a journey, but as a whole understanding that how much that,

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you know, he loves me and he created me, and I'm uniquely and wonderfully

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made as, you know, all the listeners are that, you know, I, I'm a beloved

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son and so I need to step into it.

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You know, I step into it through prayer, through quiet time, through

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different verses to, you know, trying to make sure I'm pounding the nail

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every day to put God first and paying attention to that as opposed to, you

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know, drifting into, well emails and how many followers do I have and how many

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books do I sold and what's the revenue?

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All temptations I have, trust me.

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And, there's a framework I use that I was taught years ago.

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This was part of the process of me getting, better, is learning

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what was called the five capitals.

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the five capitals is, you know, first is spiritual, love, God seconds, relational,

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love others, and what does that look like?

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Third is physical.

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It's about managing your time and energy.

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Fourth is intellectual.

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about insight and ideas.

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And the fifth one is about is financial, and it's about stewardship, generosity,

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but those are the five capitals.

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I didn't create 'em.

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My coach did, years ago, but I learned them in probably about 2012,

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2013 when I hired my first coach.

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And that is a framework I keep going back to, to recalibrate, to

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make sure I'm not putting financial capital as my priority and to making

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sure that I am going to spiritual.

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So, long-winded answer there, but just to say it's been a journey.

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I have some tools that help me because I, like anyone else, if I wake up, it's

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like, oh, let's get right to email.

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But I'm like, no, I need to make sure I am recalibrating against this

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framework that I know to be true.

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So you listed out the five, Ps, is that what you said?

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Five.

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Five capitals.

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Five capitals.

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The last one was financial.

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But I think what often happens is many of us we'll call 'em high performers

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sometimes I'm a little uncomfortable doing that because there's some people

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that perform in the task that God's assigned them to and they do it well

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and it's quiet and they go about it.

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we've got an odd view I think, of high performers in our world today.

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We won't go

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Hmm.

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that path.

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But my guess is that you, Corey, one that, and I know a little bit of your background

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'cause we've done some research.

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You were always one that probably performed well.

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when are out there doing your thing and pursuing, let's call it financial

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success, would that be accurate?

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absolutely man.

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I am, stereotypical, you know, Enneagram fans.

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I'm an Enneagram three.

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I wanna be the achiever.

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I'm a sales guy or I still am selling stuff, right?

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You give me a goal or metric, I'm gonna go hustle and try to get it.

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and I think the follow up to that, I don't think that's a bad superpower to have, but

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that can real easily become kryptonite.

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I think it's a superpower in, we'll call it the world system, but I think the

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kingdom of God, when we start trying to function in that world, I think we realize

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maybe there's some different rule there.

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where's that transition for you?

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when you mentioned some time periods and all, and some things that went on,

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but when did you realize that maybe I'll refer to Matthew 6 33, you know,

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seek you first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and then all

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these things will be added unto you.

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I recognize.

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For me that up until about oh eight I was pursuing the things more than

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the kingdom and his righteousness.

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Was there a point that you went, Ooh, per, I got this verse flipped a little bit.

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Oh man.

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Yeah.

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And that is a life verse for me too.

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I love Matthew 6 33 and, and seek verse of kingdom.

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And that's putting the five capitals in the right order, right?

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It's spiritual, then it works its way down.

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So yes.

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that verse, the framework, those were all pieces that help me kind

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of figure out, hey, there's more to life than just the sales award.

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There's more to life than getting this particular revenue number, getting this

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job title it went a step further when I went all into coaching March 1st, 2020.

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So I left corporate.

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my corporate career was civil engineer degree.

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Got involved in the selling tech, construction, technical products

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like bridges and Storm Sewer.

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Did that in Kansas City, then Denver, and then eventually get to

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Cincinnati, where led a division there.

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And that's when I hired a coach, which.

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Changed my life and the standpoint of I got better as a leader at home

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and work, but then I wanted to do it and I do it now for a living.

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So I left corporate America to then become full-time coach.

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And I did it on March 1st, 2020, which, yeah, I mean the

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worst time to launch something.

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and for all the listeners I know, we all experience pain and some of

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you maybe even experienced deaths.

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I, you know, I get it.

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and sorry for that, for, you know, me and my family, I'm the sole provider.

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March 1st, 2020, we went all in.

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Let's go.

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Come on.

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You know, this gonna be amazing.

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March 13th, Friday, March 13th, which I'm not a superstitious guy,

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but it is weird that Friday the 13th is when it all went down.

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But that's when we all got emails, stay at home mask mandates.

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On that day, I got emails canceling, speaking in workshops.

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35% of my revenue on that day vanished.

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And it was like, well, what's next?

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Like, what about the other 65%?

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Are they gonna terminate?

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Are they gonna end it?

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God took me on a journey because I, I was frustrated, I was angry.

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I've got journal entries kind of saying that of like, Hey,

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Hannah, I, I did my part.

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I took the courageous, move and got outta the boat and left corporate to do this.

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Entrepreneurial, like, where are you?

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What happened?

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And so, God takes me on this journey over the summer and, I put together a lot of my

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findings and what God was sharing with me.

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I put 'em in blogs to help really just kind of other people and

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even a client would call and say, I'm kind of struggling with this.

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I dunno, you know, resilience or perseverance.

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I was like, Hey, I wrote this blog this morning, why don't you read it?

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Well, when it was valuable to them, and I got enough positive feedback, I was

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like, well, I guess he, here's a book.

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I, I'll write a book.

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So the book I wrote is called Rise and Go.

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the main idea of Rise and Go is all leaders get knocked down.

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It's just the great leaders get back up quicker.

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what could it look like in your life for the next time you're knocked

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down, you're able to get up quicker.

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that's the idea of the book.

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there was a piece in that journey to answer your question, Tim,

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how do I balance ambition versus, godly ambition, selfless ambition?

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How do I find what this looks like?

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losing all the, revenue March 1st, 2020 as I'm cruising through that

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summer of 2020 and on into 2021.

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My whole typical response to that was, I'm working harder.

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If I'm a solopreneur, then I gotta spend all my time on LinkedIn.

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I gotta find leads and more clients and more podcast interviews and,

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you know, more and more, more.

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it was hard to shut it off.

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Like I, I, I, I got better at the corporate world of figuring out how

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to shut it off and realizing, I didn't have all this control, but when it

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shifted in the solopreneur world, I didn't know how to shut it off

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because it was all dependent on me.

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If I wasn't doing anything well, I'm not gonna get any leads.

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God pointed me to Psalm 1 27, 1 and two.

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Unless the Lord builds the house, he who gets up early, labor's in vain.

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And when I read that, and then the next verse is in, you know, talking

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about the watchtower, unless he watches over, he labor's in vain.

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On the Watchtower component.

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As I'm reading both those verses, I start to think, I hear this kind of audible

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voice of God's got the night shift.

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If I work hard from eight to five,

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I have to have trust.

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I have to have faith that God's gonna take the rest of it.

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That while I'm at family dinner, while I'm playing with my kids, and

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even inside eight to five, if I'm traveling, I have to have faith that

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while I am, you know, doing other activities, that God's softening a

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prospect's heart to say yes, that God's got some potential clients talking

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about having me come in for a workshop.

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And same is true for you, Tim, and for the listeners.

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It's just like, hey, if we do our part, bust our tail off during the

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working hours, we have to have faith that God's got that night shift.

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And so an additional phrase that I was hearing is I control the input

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and God controls the impact that if I am doing my hard work, God's gonna

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show up and provide that impact.

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And so that's a boundary I have because of that phrase.

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I've put things in place to do a digital Sabbath on Sundays to charge my phone

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into the other room at night, as opposed to, you know, looking at it kind of when

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I go to bed and first thing when I wake up, I've deleted social media off my

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phone, or there's just different things I've done to help me, stay focused,

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Sure.

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You know, one of the things I think that Covid did for many

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of us, oh eight did this for me.

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So Covid was a little bit different, was that I realized that I just wasn't

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as much control as I thought that I was

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Mm-hmm.

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Talking about that there is, is control something that you enjoy

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having over your environment and has that been part of your struggle also?

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Yes and no.

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and I say no because there's other folks that I know have

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a lot more control challenges.

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I've kind of been more the thought process, the kind of freedom of the

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framework when it comes to parenting, when it comes to other elements.

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I don't like details.

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I mean, I'm not a detailed guy, so there's a lot of times I've never had

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control 'cause like I, you haven't ne ne necessarily studied it all.

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But yeah, I mean, I do want an element of some control and with sales my whole

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life, it's, if eat and kill, you know, you go hunt and it, it's yours to have.

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If I know how many sales calls I need to make.

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I know how many proposals I then need to send out, and then how

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many prospects I'll get, right?

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It's the funnel.

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And so over my whole career, I've been able to figure out

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this funnel for my business.

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What I was overextending on as I stepped into coaching and speaking

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full-time was, I'm gonna make the top of this funnels wide, is absolutely

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possible by never turning it off.

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But that's when I realized, hey, I'll work hard from eight to five,

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make that funnel smaller and trust that well all my hit rate will go

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up so I could have the prospect.

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So I think that would be the way of control is there's many pieces I

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couldn't control except what I did.

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I think I've been okay with people what I can't control, but it's more

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me and just working harder driving.

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I had this weird season where I was really digging and spending a lot of time with

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the Lord, and I think maybe this was a lesson for me, but appeared to be the less

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that I did, I'm not against hard work.

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This is not what I'm saying here.

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The less that I did, the more financial resources I had coming into me, it

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was this really, really odd season.

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And, I don't know that I totally got the lesson, it was something that, was

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trying to get me out of that entirely.

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If it is to be, it's up to me

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Mm-hmm.

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mindset,

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Yeah.

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I'm guessing you see a lot of that your community.

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Would that be correct?

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Yeah, absolutely.

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I mean, uh, you know, I. Like generosity.

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I mean, there's this kingdom math.

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I mean, it seems like the, I, I have a very good friend who's a wealth

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manager and he has made a comment that, the more generous people are,

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it's almost like they have more money in savings than everything else.

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And it's probably, both practical and spiritual.

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The practical side is if you're generous with your money, you're probably budgeting

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pretty well of what you're giving away.

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This is what we're spending.

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So there probably is a practical component of that, but there's also,

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a spiritual component of it, of it's you're stewarding God's resources and

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another resource God gives us is time and how are we stewarding his time?

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And I think a big piece for me and for many listeners, maybe, or at

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least leaders out there as a whole, is sometimes we forget or we think about

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that our only job is here on Earth is.

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Go crush it in the work world.

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Let's be the best revenue generating person in our, you know, out there.

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And let's go get the titles, let's go get the money, let's go get the

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raises, then that's our function.

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But no, it's also to be a father or, a mother, a father, a husband, a wife, a

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community leader, like all those elements.

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And so we wear many hats, not just the financial piece.

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And I think that is a part that has helped me a lot to understand that there,

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I wanna make sure I'm dating my wife.

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I need to make sure I'm having one on time with my kids, meeting up

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with my buddies, getting to the gym.

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Like there's a lot I need to do other than just make sure I'm working all the time.

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Yeah, and so there's one thing that's really intriguing for me before we

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dive in a little bit more to kind of what all you have going on right now.

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When I hear, I'm an engineer by training too.

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I'm an industrial and systems engineer.

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But yet here I am on a podcast and do coaching and stuff like that.

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And then I heard you say that really sales is kind of your thing, but yet

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I see the civil engineer the, on your

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right.

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And so I guess I wanna back up a little bit and maybe ask a little bit about.

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what were you thinking you were going to do in life as you were younger?

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what did the plans you have?

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What did you think you were wired for?

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Maybe even a little bit of, how you grew up, because I'm always intrigued.

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I think all of that begins to layer into where we are today.

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So, my first thing is how did one go from civil engineer to sales?

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It could be technical sales and things, which is fine.

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I get it.

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Yeah.

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really have, listen, if you and I were to bump in each other on the

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street, I wouldn't be going, oh, look, Corey, he's, he's an engineer.

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I can tell.

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No, you know, you're, you know, the way you'd look and everything like that.

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I don't know that people would say the same about me either.

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so, what's up with that and tell me a little bit about, more about, to

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kind of frame how you were raised.

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yeah, go career raise first, right?

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What's the right direction to go?

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I guess we'll just, you know, I, from a career standpoint, I don't know if I ever

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knew what I wanted to be when I grew up.

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I mean, I don't know if I had anything burning.

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two parts have come into mind right now as we're talking is kind of that

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in the high school years of trying to decide what to go do, I knew

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I loved development, like cities.

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I loved going to cities and seeing skyscrapers and seeing just activity.

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Like, it's just always something I've liked and I, and I still do.

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and so that was an element that was the positive element.

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I guess mixing one more in there of positive is, uh,

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you know, I was good at math.

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And so that was circulating of, hey, be an engineer.

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I didn't know what to do and be an engineer.

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They make good money, a negative vibe in all that was.

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I remember, and I don't think this was for, bad purposes, she probably

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was trying to protect me, but a counselor said, I don't think you're

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smart enough to be an engineer.

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I don't know if those were the exact words, but it's something along those

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lines that, you know, maybe your scores aren't high enough to be an engineer.

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I do think it was probably out.

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I'm gonna assume the best.

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I'm gonna assume it's outta love.

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It was to Corey, you may be going down a bad path, it's gonna be a

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disaster and whatever, however.

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In college, I went civil engineering route.

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And I think there are some days I'm like, this is gonna get me to the path of doing

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development, whatever that looks like.

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And I think there are other days it's like, I'm gonna prove this lady wrong.

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I'm wanna show her that I'm smart enough.

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So I don't know how much getting through college was, just

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about proving this lady wrong.

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I don't know if it was about pursuing this idea of what I would be, I don't know.

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What I do know is, thank goodness for, yeah, I, I was able to graduate.

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I, I then took a job at a great engineering firm, awesome firm,

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burns McDonald, great firm and still in contact with them today.

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But I'll just tell you it, I didn't love my job.

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I mean, obviously that's why I left, but I just didn't love it.

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and I've got buddies who stuck around.

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They're still there and they love it.

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But for me.

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I was impatient.

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I think that if I would've had some patience, it probably would've been great.

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It would've stuck there.

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But I just was impatient.

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I was getting bored designing the thickness of airport pavement and

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the elevations of all the different joints, on the concrete slabs

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of the runway and the taxiways.

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I was like, I don't know if I wanna do this for the rest of my life.

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And, you know, so I was definitely wandering, I think, not only

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professionally, but I was even kind of wandering personally.

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and so that all factored into it.

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Like, I need to do something and I need to be up into the right in

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comparison And seeing other buddies get promoted and probably money there

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making and cars, they were driving.

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It just.

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It all kind of came to, I need a new job.

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So I did find a great next job where I did sales of civil engineering products,

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storm sewer, bridges as I mentioned, and then that began the process of sales.

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and so that's how I got in engineering, which then went from to sales and then

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leadership roles, and now the coaching.

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And so that's the career progression.

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What's crazy, Tim, and this may come into your life as well, man,

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it's God, nothing's ever accidental.

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He uses it all, for good as the promise and Romans and, you know,

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I mean, it's all for his glory.

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And so for me, I mean, I've got clients in non-construction spaces for sure, but I

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have clients that I can relate to because they're in the construction space and I

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know what that's like and I can feel it.

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So it didn't necessarily go to waste.

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It's been fun to kind of see it come full circle.

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so that part's pretty cool.

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Yeah.

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one of the

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yeah.

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you brought up that you were good at math.

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my journey was very similar.

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Yeah.

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both my parents were educators.

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I thought that's what I wanted to be teacher coach, until I found

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out how much money they made.

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I didn't know we were poor.

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I wanted to make more money.

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So I said, oh, engineer, you know, I'm down the road here from Georgia Tech.

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Let me go there.

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And so, and I was, I was good in math, but here's what I found out.

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I wasn't as good as most of those others.

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That's what I found out.

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And it was just like, oh boy, the, they are getting together and I think

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they're studying some of this calculus differential equation, stuff like that.

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I think they're doing some stuff without me around because

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they seem to know more than I

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Yeah.

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that was

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And I think my counselor knew that.

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And that's what, I, so I, I think it was, yeah, like I said, outta love

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that she was trying to protect me.

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but I, in my immaturity, I didn't take it as protection.

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I took, took it as an insult.

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yeah.

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So any, anything we need to know about, growing up we're about to

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dive into current stuff and all that.

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Anything else about, did you grow up in a family of faith or,

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Yeah.

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was it a, was there money driven or was money just a thing or what was some of

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those things that you had growing up?

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Yeah.

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So I did grow up in a Christian home, awesome home, loving home, present father,

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which was amazing and incredible mom.

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So all that was great.

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the big part that affected me, and we'll talk about, you know, how it

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affects me now is my mom passed away when I was 15 years old from cancer.

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She had a seven year battle with cancer passed away when I'm 15, which

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obviously was a big bummer for sure.

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in all that I gotta see, you know, my dad

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take care and love on a wife that was dying over a seven year period of time.

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And we had, great moments, you know, I don't mean as a decline the

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whole time, but obviously, she ends up passing, but great childhood.

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So he was able to love and serve her.

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So I gotta see what good marriage looks like.

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I don't know how he did it, but he parented us three, with the help of my

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mom, but eventually she passes and so he's single parenting us for a while.

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And so when my mom passed away, I was 15.

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My brother would've been 12 and Sister 11.

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So, you know, he had, basically a bunch of people young and

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their, you know, before 10.

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And then he had me and my brother and sister, 15, 12, 11.

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So you have this range of kids that he was taking care of.

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A sick wife, still had a full-time job traveling, doing sales,

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and loving and present for us.

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what's wild is I don't remember him missing a game.

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I know he did.

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I know he missed games.

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He traveled, but I don't remember him missing him because there felt to be such

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a presence that he was always around.

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So that, even though we never talked about the phrase, went a home first,

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and I just gotta see it modeled, which is really, really cool.

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And fast forward to now, I go back to a lot of that, that I learned,

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you know, fortunately in the home.

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That's the very good stuff about my childhood.

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Yeah,

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A yeah,

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Go.

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yeah.

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the dark side of my childhood or the element that, I wrestled with for

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numerous years is when my mom passed away.

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My dad became unemployed for parts of the time before and after just typical sales.

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Hey, we don't need you anymore.

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We're downsizing or this or that.

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Well, in that money had to be spent from college savings for chemo

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and whatever the case would be.

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the savings went down.

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So when it was time to go to college, it was, all on me to

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get loans or get a part-time job

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And there's nothing wrong with that.

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people do that, that happens.

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They're successful For me, the devil got a hold of my mind

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to say, listen, you see this?

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If you're ever gonna make it in life, it's all on you.

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your family's college savings gone.

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You can't count on anybody else, you know, God or anything.

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It's all on you from a provision standpoint.

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And I believe that, and I think that was another factor.

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Like, I gotta get this engineering degree.

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I need to get the money.

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And I think that's probably when I got into my twenties, I'm like,

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this engineering job's too slow.

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I need somewhere else to make more money.

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Fast forward.

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I think that's always kept been a reason for my drive.

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I mean, I'm also competitive and so that there's a factor for my drive

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at work, but a factor of it, for sure was the devil telling me I'm the

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provider and God's not cool story.

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Well, I was gonna say there, there's an element that we don't like to

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admit, which there's fear there.

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Yeah,

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right.

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yeah, yeah.

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Fear of not having, and so fast forward, I'm, writing my second book.

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I'm talking to my dad about all this and he's like, man, I

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don't think you ever heard this?

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I was like, well, what?

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And he goes, man, you know, you're talking about this time where money was

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tight and it was, but our church stepped up and paid for a year of our mortgage.

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And I was like, what?

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I had no idea.

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So with limited, you know, with not all the full data, I was believing

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this lie that the devil's getting in my ear that it's all on me.

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And now come, you know, unfortunately decades later I

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find out that that's not true.

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And in fact, God showed up paid for our mortgage for a year.

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That helped me break some remaining, chains that I had holding me back thinking

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I'm the provider and now I've got.

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this faith that, hey, God's my provider, and it kind of all plays in together.

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If I control the input, God controls the impact, all those pieces.

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And so that's, the great side of my childhood of understanding love and

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marriage and parenting, all those pieces.

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The bad side was that financial story that, I'm breaking free.

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I'm still broken and not perfect, but it has been a step in

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the right direction for sure.

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So here's kind of a trick question.

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do you think it really would've changed anything?

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Had you had that data the time?

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or is it something we just look back on now and say, oh, well maybe.

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But, again, it's a trick question 'cause it's who knows?

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Yeah.

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I really just don't know,

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Yeah.

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you know, it kind of, all it comes down to it.

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I don't know what I would've done differently.

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even not knowing that story, there is a part of me that's, I still

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got comparison, I still have envy.

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So if I knew that whole story all along, it's still like, well, I want

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the bigger house, I want the better car, I want the title I want the things.

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so I'm sure the comparison monster was gonna show up, maybe even a

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little bit more to fuel that ambition, to fuel that, approval of others.

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I also think I've come to terms with the timeframe that I was

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raised in, an impact on me.

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I kind of came into age, you know, the late seventies, early eighties,

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you know, the greed is good decade,

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Mm-hmm.

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I feel that fed my, you mentioned always wanted more.

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I had an addiction to more, whatever was going on business, whatever, you

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know, wasn't addicted to, you know, some of the vices that people would

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say, I was addicted to the things.

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That allow people to be successful

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Mm-hmm.

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in

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Yeah,

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system.

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yeah,

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brings my next question.

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You mentioned you're 48, we were talking age and decades before we clicked record.

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Maybe this is a good time to get into that, but I, I was just gonna ask how,

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how are you defining success right now?

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And I'm sure you're a vision and kind of a strategic guy.

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How are you beginning to look at your next decade, which you're about to hit halfway

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or whatever, you know, your fifties.

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Talk about success, how you're defining it now, and then what are you doing

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looking forward for the next few years?

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yeah.

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No, that's a great question.

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Now I'm looking at success in a lot of different categories, like I think the

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old me may have quickly defaulted to kind of a revenue number or a thought

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on success from a work standpoint.

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But as we even mentioned the five capitals earlier, I mean, success

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for me is going to be able to be, the best version of my whole self.

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I can be.

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So, you know, things I'm paying attention to as far as what would make

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me success is I, I'm working to grow closer in my, you know, walk with God.

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When I started this year, it was, I wanna get better at prayer.

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you know, so I ended up getting this, amazing five year prayer journal.

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It's big and thick, and I'm holding up to the camera for

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those listening to the podcast.

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And you open it up and it's blank.

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it basically, gives you the date.

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August, I open it up to August and then you got five

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different blanks for the years.

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So I'm riding in that every morning.

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I love it.

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A company called Hosanna Revival.

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I don't get paid for saying this, but Hosanna Revival made it.

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I'm using this, I'm doing a, devotion every morning with my 12-year-old son.

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daily Wisdom for Men, right?

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Right there.

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It's that one.

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So I'm just trying to make sure I'm growing spiritually.

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So that is, and there, there's other elements of it.

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How, how can I grow closer to God, closer to my walk?

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Success, you know, relationally.

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I want, make sure I'm dating my wife, you know, two times a month I'm doing,

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one-on-ones with my kids and making sure I'm doing time with friends, like paying

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attention to where am I at relationally.

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And what does the, the intention I look around that piece, you

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know, moving over to work.

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I track revenue and I wanna be successful there, but I'm also just tracking, impact.

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I'm trying to pay attention to, how many people am I able to impact I

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track it through, is it podcast?

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Is it speaking audiences, is it book sold?

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number of clients, podcast downloads.

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But anyways, just trying to figure out, hey, you know, how, how can I help

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share this message with more people?

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and I know it's not all on my doing.

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what's crazy, you know, Tim, is we can go grind as hard as we want, but one

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person can open up a door that introduces you to 20 people that I would've taken

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hours and hours and hours on LinkedIn to try to find those 20 people.

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And I may never even found 'em.

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And so there is this piece of it where it's like, I'm just gonna keep working

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hard and, you know, I, I'm confident that God is going to control the impact.

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You made the comment earlier about fear.

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Fear and faith have one thing in common and it's the future.

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Fear thinks the future's bad.

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Faith thinks the future's good.

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And for me, I think about that phrase a lot, like, Hey, if I'm having bad

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thoughts, that there, there's a fear piece into it as opposed to faith.

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And, and so I think about that a a lot.

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So you excited then about crossing over into your fifties?

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I am, before we hit record, I just shared, you know, we were talking

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about, you and your age, and I mentioned this book, decade by Decade,

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it's got some similarities to the book halftime by Bob Eufor, that

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many people have read or familiar with, this book, decade by Decade.

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It is different and it's, definitely worth reading.

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It's thinner, it's easier, it talks generational.

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It uses SS at every gener, every generation.

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There's an S word, I think security is the zero to 10, and it's all about

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yourself in your teenage years and kind of survival in your twenties.

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Anyways, it's got all these s's, but the most fascinating piece is the

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number one decade that this guy has put together that he believes that people

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have based off on all of his clients and the research he did, that the number

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one decade people have is their sixties.

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And it's because they probably are confident in themselves.

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They understand their identity relationally.

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They got great relationships.

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Financially they're in a good position 'cause they're not paying for all

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kid youth sports or whatever it is.

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And they're in, in their, in their high earning year.

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So their sixties are there.

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So when you ask the question, how I feel going in my fifties, I'm optimistic

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because my sixties, if they're supposed to be my best decade, that

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means I got a 10 year runway to that.

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And so it's only gonna be better.

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So I'm very optimistic and bullish about what can be from a family standpoint,

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you know, kids, graduating college and high school and what that part looks like

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and what our family grows and can be.

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And then from a work standpoint, you know, I've got some books I'd

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like to write or additional books get out there and just continue.

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My mission to help, you know, connect people to greater performance at

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work, at home, and into their purpose.

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Yeah, that's good.

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you know, when you brought it up, I'm sitting here going, man, I

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am fired up here in my sixties.

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There's a lot of

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Yeah.

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stuff going on.

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One of the big things for me, and this, I don't know if this might sound

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harsh, but kind of get to the point where there's a lot more of don't care,

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Yes.

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other people think.

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Don't care what.

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and that sounds negative, but some of our personalities need that.

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Mm-hmm.

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more of a don't care.

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Mm-hmm.

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I wanna back up one quick thing.

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I dunno if you could hold up the daily devotions for men again,

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Yeah.

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we interviewed Dan and Jimmy while back, and I just want people.

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On the video and all to note, 'cause we'll probably include that down in the links.

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That is one of the most beautiful, well done devotionals that I have ever seen.

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Just the leather, I mean, just the way it's done, isn't

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Yep.

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And

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it's amazing.

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really cool.

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It's cool you're doing that with your son, so I wanted to give

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I'll put one more.

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been on the

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Yeah,

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been here.

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yeah.

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Now I'll put a plug for us.

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I just told Jimmy this the other day.

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He came inside.

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Well, bill, uh, Dan did as well.

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They spoke inside the Rise community.

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So I lead a community of men who want to grow and home work and faith.

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We have calls every Monday from 12 to one Eastern, and then once a

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month we're bringing in speakers.

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Uh, have the opportunity to have both Dan and Jimmy in there.

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I have to get you in there as well.

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and I told Jimmy, I think I told Dan this as well, but what I love

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about this devotion for anyone listening to it and thinking about,

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Hey, maybe I would do it, my.

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Child as well, or son, it's simple enough like they're short one pagers, but

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it's simple enough that my 12-year-old stays engaged, but they're deep and

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profound enough that I stay engaged and I just, it is just been awesome.

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It's been really, really cool.

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And yeah, we've been doing it I guess four months now or

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five months, whatever we're at.

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My struggle and I could work through this.

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My struggle is I keep getting them and giving them away, and

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so I'm sure they hate that too.

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I'm sure they hate that.

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That's what I'm doing with it.

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You brought up Rise.

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We've got, we've got a little bit of time here.

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I'd love to spend our time remaining to talk about your community Two

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books we could spin off from that.

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Let's go to Rise first.

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Tell me about the formation of the community and let's, let's, let's

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see what we could glean and what we could learn from bringing together

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men, in, in a group like this.

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'cause many times people are isolated.

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They think that their situation is the only situation and they do not

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understand all the other things that people are going through, and that

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people are probably going through exactly what they're going through.

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Maybe not, you know, maybe the names are different, but tell me how the community

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developed and then we'll talk a little bit about what you're learning from it.

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Not what you're teaching, but

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Yeah.

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learning from it.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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Two elements, that how it developed is one.

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In my one-on-one coaching calls.

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So I do a lot of one-on-one coaching calls.

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I, I, there would just be these moments where I like, oh man,

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I wish you could do so and so, and sometimes I'd even make that

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introduction, like a text introduction, like, these two know each other.

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Maybe they're in the same state, or maybe they're in the same industry or kids

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are the same age, or whatever it was.

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I'm like, or they're battling the same issue.

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But I just was like, oh, you two need to know each other.

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And so that, that was a piece of it for sure.

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That was kind of marinating that I, how do I do this?

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And then in a quiet time, I just felt this big nudge to go build community

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that I could impact more people.

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One, I could get those one-on-ones to talk to each other, but also not

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everyone can afford one-on-one coaching.

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it's a higher price point than what, you know, rise Community is.

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And so I, was just like, Hey, let's go for it.

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let me just say it wasn't easy.

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I had this idea, I went for it.

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I battled a lot with the, we don't need another community out there.

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There's too many communities.

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Communities are popping up left and right, like it seems like podcasts used to pop

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up left and right now it's communities and I wanna know what the next thing is.

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I'm gonna go start that now so we can be ahead of it.

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I don't know what it is.

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Maybe it's a bunch of avatars hanging out.

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But for me, it was enough nudges.

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I did hear the head trash, you know, of too many communities,

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but I pushed through it.

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We launched it, and it is just, it's just, it's been awesome.

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you know, as, as I mentioned, we, we do the weekly calls and then there's

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just a group and it's pretty cool.

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You asked the question, what have I learned from it?

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Well, we mentioned some names.

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Dan Britton, Jimmy Page, Dave spoke, Kent Shevalier, the

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chaplain for Pittsburgh Steelers.

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He was powerful.

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Davin Ano who wrote, 12 Ths of Purpose, I'm leaving people off.

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That doesn't mean they weren't impactful.

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It just, at the moment, I won't rattle 'em off, but those are some highlights.

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So what am I learning?

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You know, Dan talked about the power of having vision, like we need to have

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vision, and it was a reminder that I could get a little sloppy on that.

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Or, you know, pulling up for air.

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I can get so busy and just doing my work.

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And like I said, let's go on LinkedIn or let's address these clients.

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Sometimes I forget to lift my head up and what is the vision?

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Where am I headed?

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So that was a good reminder.

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Ken Shevalier talking about doing it afraid.

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This idea that there's times we just need to do it afraid.

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And it was a much more robust talk than just that phrase, but it was kind of a

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kick that I needed, that there were a few things that, you know, I needed to do.

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Afraid, you know, one of it's, a distant family member to

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have a conversation with them.

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I'm gonna do, you know, I've started it, I'm doing it afraid.

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I don't know the result.

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So not all of it were, Hey, go, you know, start this or write this or launch this.

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They weren't all business related, but there's some things in my

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personal life I would want to go do afraid just to get it going.

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I think those would be some of the elements I'm learning.

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I think one thing I would just say to anybody listening is

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getting a community of something.

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Obviously I'd love to have you in Rise, but there's a

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ton of communities out there.

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I just watched the documentary Join or Die this past weekend.

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It's on Netflix.

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And it's based off this research, this, mandated, bill Putnam, I

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think is his name, and he wrote a book called Bowling Alone.

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the whole idea of this, doc book, bowling Alone, which led to documentary Join or

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Die, is this idea that since the 1960s, community involvement has just decreased.

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this is all before phones and screen time.

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So we've only made it worse here in, the recent decade, two decades.

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But since the sixties, there's data that has less involvement of PTA year after

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year, Kiwanis Club, rotary Club, whatever, association, down, down, down, down.

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And that's factoring into loneliness.

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That's factoring into depression.

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Now you're throwing phones and it just leads us more into, isolation.

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in this documentary, there's this quote and he says, we spend more time watching

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friends than being with our friends.

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And I was like, oh, man, that's pretty good.

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And so I think if you're a listener, look around in your community.

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do you have community?

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Are you spending time with community?

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there was a book written years ago called Third Place.

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We Have Home and Work.

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Those are our two places, but everyone needs a third place.

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For some people that's a bad thing.

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Their third place is the bar.

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do you have a place that you go, you're in community I just share that for, you know,

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if there's a listener, it's like, you know what, I need community right now, man.

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Go get it.

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We were made for Community Iron sharpens iron.

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We, we, we kind of know the taglines and the realness of it, but I'll just tell

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you, I needed rise, as much as the, the, the members, because I've just enjoyed,

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you know, we, we have an app and you'll, somebody will post something and I'll read

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'em like, dude, this, this, this is Manna.

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This is Manna for today that I needed.

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'cause it's different postings than you get on LinkedIn.

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I mean, I love LinkedIn, but these are just deeper people

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are talking about, stuff.

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They're not gonna publish on LinkedIn.

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Well, and there's the connection there.

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it's interesting when you said the research had shown less community

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since the sixties and you commented that that was well before phones,

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but it wasn't before screens.

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That's really when we saw the rise of television I think our phones

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are just TV on steroids truthfully.

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You know what I mean?

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They're just more screen for us the more that I would do it, I mean I'm one of

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these, I could have sat in front of sports 24 7 and then you know what they did?

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They started making it available 24 7.

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Yep.

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of the age where you remember when there was, well, I am, you're

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probably not quite this old.

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Well, there were just a couple of football games on Saturday and a

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couple on Sunday, and that was it.

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That's it.

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Now.

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Anytime.

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Yeah.

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anything anytime now, and I think that is really, uh, I think

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it's devastating to a group.

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Anything else that you observe with a community where a group

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of men are attempting to do better that are coming together?

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Anything else you observe that you can share before we talk

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about a couple of books you've got and start wrapping up here.

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Oh, yeah.

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one accountability and I don't even mean accountability of, hey, you

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know, bill, you said you're gonna do this or, you know, whatever.

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Not that accountability.

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The accountability of, you know, I got the call coming up on Monday,

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and I either wrote down on a piece of paper, I didn't tell anybody,

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but I wrote down a piece of paper.

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I need to go on a date with my wife.

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Or I said, verbally, I was gonna go on a date with my wife.

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But there's this accountability that a community brings just even by the calendar

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appointment being on your calendar, that people are like, Ooh, I need to do this.

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What if they ask?

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And so there's been some cool stories already of the accountability that

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they're getting just because of the group.

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Even if no one's calling 'em out to say, did you do it?

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It's just, it's in the calendar.

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There's this kind of desire to more, so accountability is one another.

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Ideas, there's some crazy cool ideas that people do and, of just

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the, the intentionality they'll have on a date, maybe what they're

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doing with one of their kids.

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it's like, oh, I like that idea.

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I'm gonna do that with my kid.

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you have a variety of ideas of how, how to work out different or whatever it is.

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you just get ideas that, you may not, you know, get anywhere else.

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you get inspiration.

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You kind of see a guy in there.

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He is like.

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Like for me, I've got three kids, but when I hear somebody talking about

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how they make time for this and this, and they got six kids and you know,

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they lead a, you know, a $200 million division, it's like, well, if they got

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time for it, what's my silly excuse?

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And so I think between accountability, outside perspective, getting ideas and

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then, you know, plus just encouragement, man, it's pretty darn, life giving.

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I think maybe the enemy really wants us to be isolated and by ourselves.

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the kingdom and God really desires for us to be connected.

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And I like what you're doing there with Rise.

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'cause it sounds like you're allowing to connect, which is good.

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point along the way.

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You wrote when At Home First and Inspirational Guide to Work Life Balance.

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I've got it on my Kindle.

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Hey, sweet.

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have a copy there, but this is what it looks like on the Kindle

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Inspirational Guide to Work Life balance.

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you know, a lot of people do not believe that work life balance is possible.

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Say a couple things about that.

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Then I want to talk about Rise and Go as we finish up here.

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Yeah,

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life

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well, a couple things on, went home first.

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Yeah.

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Well, let me just say, I, I was talking to the publishing consultant

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when I wrote it and I was like, you know, I had my title went home first.

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That, that was a no brainer.

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The subtitle was different.

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we'll talk about that.

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But the subtitle went home first.

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It was a phrase I just kept saying I was with clients and it was like, Hey,

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you know, if we're gonna have success at work and we, we have to win home first.

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And maybe it was applicable 'cause the person wasn't really dating their wife

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or it was applicable 'cause they weren't working out or whatever the reason was.

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I just kept saying this one phrase.

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So that was like, that's it.

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And then what kind of a nail in the coffin, for why I was like, I am

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100% using this is I posted, Cover, like, Hey, here are my covers.

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Which one do you like to use?

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Or should I use, please vote.

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I did something like that.

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Somebody said, I don't like the title.

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Win at home first.

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'cause that means someone loses if you don't.

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I'm like, absolutely, someone loses.

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That's the whole point.

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If we don't focus on it, someone's losing.

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It'll be a broken marriage or a broken home.

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So, yes.

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So anyways, I, I was like, I'm doing it.

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So went home first was the title, the subtitle?

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I just told the publishing consultant that I was like, I do

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not like the word work-life balance because I don't think it's balance.

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You know, can I do like work-life harmony?

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Can I do something different?

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And the funny part was a publishing consultant said, listen, if you were

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Jeff Bezos or somebody else, you could come up and make up a name

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or a phrase and it would stick.

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In a loving way.

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She's like, you're, you're a nobody.

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You, you gotta stick with the SEO.

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You gotta search with, stick with balance.

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So I, I, I stuck with balance and I'm fine with it.

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You know what I would've to say about work-life balances?

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No.

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There is no balance.

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I mean, you know, obviously just from a work standpoint, we are

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at work just an hour standpoint.

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We're at work more than we are at home, you know, and when you take away sleeping,

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and so that's just odd in itself.

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But how I view work life balance or this idea of working home is

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being intentional, making sure you recalibrate when seasons get off.

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My seasons can get off as well.

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I travel at different times for work.

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Maybe I've got a, a, a publishing deadline, maybe I've got, you

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know, some other deadline.

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So it's like work.

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But then when I'm done hitting that deadline or I'm done traveling, then I

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recalibrate, come back and I'm making sure I'm intentional with my home at home.

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Get those one-on-one dates with my kids, make sure I get with, you know, my wife,

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take some time off, whatever that is.

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And so I, that's the only thing about the balance pieces.

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It's, it's like this pendulum swing is, hey, are, are we, you know, have an

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in, you know, intention eye with both,

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Yeah.

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And then so that book, which obviously I think has done extremely well,

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you followed it up with Rise and Go, how to get back up with courage

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and move forward with Confidence.

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I actually really love the tagline on that one there.

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But, give us a

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Hey, that was before catchy.

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BT too, man.

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that was an inspired thought that I had, heard.

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Did they let you go more with what you wanted there or was that more of

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a, the publishing consultant kinda

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Yeah, there.

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No, that was, I was able to go with what I wanted.

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I'm sure they helped tweak it, but, I had no big objection to

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it, like I did the other one.

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But yeah, so I mean, rise and Go is, 20 chapters, first 10 are, you know, the

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courage to get back up and then the next 10 chapters of the comments go forward.

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It's written like a devotion, not short ones, like we mentioned for daily Wisdom

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for men, they're longer, but it opens up a scripture, then it has story,

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whether it's mine, it's clients, it's somebody else's, followed by reflective

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questions and application at the end.

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And so some people read it like a devotion.

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Their men's groups have used it and others have used it.

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Some people use it as a resource guide, 'cause it, each chapter doesn't

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necessarily build on each other.

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So it's, you can look at the table of content and say, I need something on

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hope, I need something on, you know, I. What, what, rejection, what whatever

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that may be, and then hop to it.

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And I know some guys do that and they'll send me notes, which is pretty sweet.

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That's good that it is topical 'cause that, helps people go

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Yeah.

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they need it.

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So that's a good thing.

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I've got one more question, but before I do, where can people find you?

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Where can they get all your stuff, rise or the books or whatever?

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Mention it and we'll include it down in the notes.

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Yeah.

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The books are available on Amazon and, win Home First is on Audible.

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I have not done.

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Rise and Go on Audible.

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but they are on Amazon.

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as far as social media, I'm very active on LinkedIn.

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That's how you and I met.

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I am on all the other social media platforms, but I'm not

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engaging like I do on LinkedIn.

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So connect with me on LinkedIn.

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That'd be fantastic.

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Websites, corey m carlson.com.

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And then I've got, blogs and podcasts and information on coaching and speaking.

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But I'd love just reach out if anyone wants to talk about any of this.

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this is how I like to help people and whether they turn into a client or not,

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Yeah.

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doesn't matter.

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Listen a few episodes over on When at home on your podcast.

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And I love the one where you interviewed your daughter who's in college.

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That was the

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Oh, cool.

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Thank you.

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I was drawn to too, doesn't it?

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I'm getting all my kids on this podcast, my podcast, because

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that's the most downloaded ones.

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The most downloaded ones are for, at least some, for me, are

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not some of the biggest names.

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It's, it's been my, it's been my kids.

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I've only done one kid twice.

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I, a couple solo shows I did just me talking.

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I think it's the heart.

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I think people are looking for story and heart, and I think that's what that does.

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Final question, I'm calling this my exclamation question.

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I'd love you, Corey, to speak directly to a man may be struggling

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with topic we've been talking about, and just encourage him, uplift him.

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Or if you feel like you need to, you know, give him a swift kick or whatever,

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whatever the Holy Spirit's leading you to do, just, take a few seconds

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here and just give some encouragement a man and whatever age bracket that,

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you know, he needs someone to speak some good into his life right now.

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let's do that.

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I'll finish this up and we'll be done.

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what a fun assignment yet challenging assignment.

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well, first of all, thank you for listening this long.

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If you made it this far, thank you very much.

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I appreciate it.

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And, I pray that you found something valuable here.

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Hearing a podcast like this can be intimidating.

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I know for myself, when I hear it, IEE even to this day, I mean, I, there,

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there's things I get intimidated by.

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My encouragement for you is to grab one thing.

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One thing I said or Tim said, or.

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The Holy Spirit said during this conversation to prompt,

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you to go do something.

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to say, sorry, to say, I forgive you, to ask for forgiveness to maybe

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make a bold move at work or go on a date or to spend time with a kid.

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But my encouragement is to take that one step because nothing

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changes unless something changes.

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And so taking that one step can make a change.

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The other thing I know to be true in my own life and working with a

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lot of different clients is we start to make a move and the devil will

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say, ha, you're gonna go on a date.

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You've been a Dirtbag husband.

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What are you talking about?

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Or you're gonna do this with, your kid now.

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you've been absent for the last few weeks, few months or whatever the thing is.

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But whenever we step into something new to, be courageous,

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the devil gets in our ear.

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and my encouragement to you is there may be something of your past that

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may have an element of truth to it.

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Maybe you not been the best husband.

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I haven't either.

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Maybe you've not been the best parent.

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I haven't either.

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But there's this element that the devil wants to keep you right there and keep

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dragging you down because he wins.

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If you stay in the same place and he can keep playing the same old, soundtracks,

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same head, trash, you'll stay there.

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But what I, loved and encourage and remind myself of is to release that you are

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not defined by how you were as a parent, as a husband, as a leader, as a friend.

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You're not defined by that.

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And starting today, you can live differently.

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You can take a step in a new direction that leads you.

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Into being that better father, that better husband, that better leader.

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And so that's my encouragement to you Hopefully that, encourages at least

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one person to step into who God has uniquely, wonderfully made them to be.

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I think that is perfect.

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Thank you for sharing that.

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Corey Carlson, a beloved son of God, has joined us here and he just shared there

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at the end that I think is powerful.

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So I needed to hear that and probably a lot more.

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I appreciate everybody joining in.

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Make sure you get the resources that Corey mentioned.

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Check out his books and the Rise community and go check out when at home.

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If you're on a podcast player right now, you could jump over and check all

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that out, so make sure you do all that.

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We have new episodes here every Monday, just like this with cool

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guests that are speaking things that I believe that we all need to hear.

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I need to hear it.

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That's why I have the conversations.

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So I believe that you need to hear it too.

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So I appreciate that.

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Keep listening, liking and all that kind of stuff and we will see

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everyone next week on Seek Go Create.