Declutter Your Life: Sarah Mueller's Secrets to Less Stuff, More Life

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I am such a huge fan of making mistakes.

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Like I talk about this all the time.

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what is so bad about being wrong, right?

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Like, what if you're wrong?

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Like, what if you were okay with being wrong?

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There is incredible freedom.

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Incredible freedom right now.

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We don't have to defend ourselves.

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We don't have to fight.

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We don't have to, we don't have to be right?

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How can decluttering not just your home, but your life, lead

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to greater peace and focus?

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Welcome to this episode of Seek Go Create, where we're joined by Sarah

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Mueller, founder of the Decluttering Club.

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Sarah has transformed the lives of hundreds of thousands by

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teaching them how to let go of clutter without the overwhelm.

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Today she's here to share her effective decluttering strategies

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and discuss how she leads and runs her successful business.

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Join us as we explore practical tips and inspiring insights on living a

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life with Less stuff and more life.

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Sarah, welcome to Seat Go Create.

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Thank you so much for that intro.

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Yeah, I think you think we could cover all that.

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Think we could get to that.

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Totally, absolutely.

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I love the decluttering conversation.

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When we first met a month or so back, we talked about it.

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We'll get to that.

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let me jump in on my first question here and, get things started.

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Either deep or light, depending on how we do.

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I'm gonna give you a choice.

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Answer the question, what do you do, kind of the standard

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icebreaker or slightly deeper.

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Who are you, which one do you want to answer?

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And go ahead and just answer it,

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pick it, and go.

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I think I'm gonna go.

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with the first question.

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what do I do?

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that's just such a, good at that question.

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and the answer is I help, one of the answers is that I help women

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with messy homes learn how to let go, So they have time to focus

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on what matters most to them,

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Our motto is less stuff and more life, right?

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we're not into minimalism.

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Although if you are, that's amazing.

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But, that's not what we're about.

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We are just about helping people to let go of the burdens they don't.

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Sometimes they don't even know they're caring, but they let go of the burdens

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and then life gets easier, and then they can do the things that they want

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to do that they are called to do.

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but you can't do that if you are drowning in clutter, whether that's

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like mental clutter, physical clutter, you know, like limiting beliefs.

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There's all kinds of directions we can take it, but that's what

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we do in a nutshell, right?

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we tackle the physical stuff, but also it's always intertwined with what's

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going on inside our heads because we cannot declutter our physical spaces

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if we do not clean up our minds.

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So those are both very important.

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That's cool.

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On my notes here, I wrote down mindset, we'll get to that in just a second,

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but you said this is one of the answers that you give for what you do.

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Mm-hmm.

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what might be another one or some of the answers that you

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would give for what you do.

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Well, you know, it depends on who I'm talking to really.

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sometimes I say I'm a life coach.

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Sometimes I say I'm a marketer, right?

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Because I love, why do people do the things that they do?

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Why do I do the things that I do?

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And that is all psychology and marketing.

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And if I can understand that, then I can help my customers, I can help

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them change and solve their problems.

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I can solve my problems, right?

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so marketing and psychology and neuroscience is also a

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really big passion of mine.

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It's really intertwined in my work.

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And what else?

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Business owner, right?

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I do like, that's a, really strong, identity for me as well.

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So again, kind of depends on who I'm talking to.

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I like that.

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Now, one of the things you mentioned in the previous, what you do is,

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you said that you work with the decluttering, but you were very

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specific that it was for women

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Mm-hmm.

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e either tell me why or why is it important just for women?

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Are you excluding men?

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Do men not need it?

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Tell me more.

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my gosh.

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It's hilarious because people get really mad at me, right?

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They're like, what about the men?

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Is this only a women's thing?

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And I'm like, no, no, no, no.

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But my heart is for women.

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And this is, I feel like the, obviously, I mean, these are

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huge generalizations, right?

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But, in general, like we, women have different issues

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running clutter than men do.

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Do we exclude men?

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No, we don't.

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We do have some men in the decluttering Club.

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They are working hard.

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We love them.

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They are welcome.

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but I'm specifically talking to women because I feel like we, you know, we

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have been raised, we have different programming than men do in general, right?

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Like, we're generalizing here.

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So that's why we talk to women.

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that's why I say that, because I feel like the issues are a bit different.

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So that's why we go there.

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However, everybody's welcome.

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Well, I do think that there are, I mean, listen, the people that

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say there's no difference between men and women are going, come on.

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Really?

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but we do have to be careful generalizing because there's some.

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Variations.

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You know, people joke all the time about Oh yeah, you know, if you're in a

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household, I'm sure that the woman does the laundry and the woman does the dishes.

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No, I do all of that in our household.

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So, and my wife would tell you, this is kind of an interesting,

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kinda get started to a more deeper conversation about clutter.

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I am much more the neater, tidier, everything has a place.

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I love to get rid of stuff.

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We live in an rv, come on.

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my wife accumulates a little bit more than I do.

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And so there are some differences and all.

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of course.

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Right?

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I mean, you know, there's, there's some women who are incredibly neat and tidy and

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they are orderly and they don't need me.

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there are some men that are neat and tidy it just like I am talking to the subset of

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people who fit kind of that demographic.

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But,

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Right.

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never know where we end up.

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Sure.

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I think,

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you may have a decluttered house, but, your mind is a mess,

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you're really struggling there.

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So, we do have some, different topics that we do cover beyond just the kind of the

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initial, decluttering your stuff type of

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But before we kind of dive in and maybe start really doing some

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things with the decluttering, what would you say is your superpower?

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you mentioned a couple things earlier.

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Obviously you've got a club that's decluttering and I think that's

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something that we discussed.

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you're good at it, but you also just mentioned the marketing and all that.

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Mm-hmm.

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You actually spoke with a little bit of a different tone when you talked about that,

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hmm.

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Mm-hmm.

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but what is your superpower?

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what is that thing that you were really created for?

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Oh, I love that question.

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I think my superpower is listening to people without judgment, right?

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And so I think it's two things, and they're both super important.

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I can listen to people, people tell me their life stories all the time, right?

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So I can listen without judgment I'm able to explain things in new ways to people.

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You know, if you come with a problem, you think, well, this is just the problem.

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But if we can restate the problem, if I can explain a problem to you

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in a different way, then it's going to, uncover a solution to you.

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So I think that those two things have really allowed me to reach people and

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help them in a unique way, because I can give them steps, I can give

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them solutions that they can action on, and they don't feel judged.

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So I think it's those two things, hand in hand.

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I think that word without judgment, the two words I guess,

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I think it's so important, especially with your community.

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I think we talked about this the first time we met.

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I was intrigued, super intrigued.

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That's one of the reasons we continue to talk.

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'cause I just am so intrigued with all that you're doing.

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And I, being someone who is like, super into, not minimalism, but

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I just, I don't like accumulating stuff and all that kinda stuff.

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I, I could see how if I were trying to run that group, I'd be judging.

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I would be, so, I admire, I mean, it, it's.

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Because I'm guessing you probably don't have much of a life of clutter, do you?

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I used to though,

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Okay.

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I can

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relate.

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Hmm.

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yeah, I can relate

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I.

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to be overwhelmed, right?

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And I.

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mean, I still get over, like human beings get overwhelmed, right?

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So that's not, that's not unique to clutter.

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But um, yeah, I definitely, I can relate.

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And also again.

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One of the things that we teach in the decluttering club is

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that you're not your stuff.

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So maybe you do have a kitchen that you know has seen better days, right?

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And, you know, could use some work.

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I understand that doesn't mean that you are a horrible person.

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It doesn't mean you're a failure as a person, as a wife, as a mother,

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as a parent, whatever, right?

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Like it doesn't, and I think that gets a little bit back to, you know,

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seeing things differently I know, oh, it, isn't your failure, this

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is because of your A DHD or your perfectionism or your overwhelm, right?

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So it's a completely different cause like people attribute their

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struggles to the wrong things.

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And if you don't have the attribution right, then.

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not gonna be able to solve the problem.

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So I think that's kind of a nice way to look at it, right?

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I'm like, oh, I don't need to judge you because I know that, this isn't about you.

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I mean, it is, and it isn't,

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Now, it doesn't mean that I would wanna live in that house.

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Probably not.

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But I don't need to, like, I can help someone, you know, I can hold

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space for them without, judging them.

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And also have different standards for myself, right?

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Hmm.

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that's really important.

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Yeah, so one of the things that I convinced my wife of at one point in our

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lives was that the problem is drawers.

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That if we didn't have any drawers, we would be able to

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not accumulate and have clutter.

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I'm sure you know how that worked out.

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It worked out.

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We actually, we were in an apartment.

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We were at bible school.

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We were up in the mountains of Colorado.

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We were there for three years and we never had any drawers in our bedroom.

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We only had the fixed drawers that were in the kitchen

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out for you then?

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Did that solve, did

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Sarah, here's the deal.

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Maybe it eliminated clutter.

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Was it good for my relationship with my beautiful bride of 30 something years?

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I'm not so sure.

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You know, it might've been like I won the battle, but lost

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the bigger war or something.

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Mm-hmm.

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Well, one of the things that, people have heard this, and I

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think I shared this with you.

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we were at one point in a big old home, bunch of stuff, lost all of that,

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traveled around with just basically almost a backpack and a duffle bag.

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Went to Australia and New Zealand, and one of the things we did learn, this is kind

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of interesting, you think your stuff is so important, but there's stuff everywhere.

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Mm-hmm.

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We were never at a loss for clothing.

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Hmm.

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For furniture when we moved in places or, I mean, there was stuff.

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There's stuff everywhere.

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All over this world, right?

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Absolutely.

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I love that.

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That's so true.

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But we forget, we're like, oh no, I'm not gonna have anything to wear.

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Like, that's literally what our brains say when it's the most ridiculous thing,

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nobody, nobody's walking around naked, So I don't think that's actually gonna

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happen, but yet we're worried about it.

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I know we were, I remember one quick story then I want to, I want to define clutter.

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We're, we're about to define what clutter is.

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We were flying from Australia to New Zealand.

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it was warm in Australia.

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It was gonna be cold in New Zealand.

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I didn't have a coat.

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My wife had sort of a coat.

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I was talking to the gal in the airplane.

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I said, you know, where's like a, y'all have like a Walmart ish or something like

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that, that I could go in New Zealand?

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He goes, eh, there's some places.

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I said, I, I really need to get a coat.

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And he just looked over at me, he says.

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I got one for you.

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And I knew where he was.

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He had already said where he was in New Zealand.

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I said, oh, okay.

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I said, yeah, we'll be there within a month or so.

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Maybe we can stop in and have dinner.

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He goes, no.

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He goes, I've got the coat now for you.

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I said, where is it?

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And he pointed to the bin up above in the airplane and we got up off

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the plane and he handed me a flight jacket that his son had just given him.

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So I'm walking around with like the Navy or something, flight jacket.

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People kept thinking I was in like the Air Force it kind of goes to my point

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that I believe stuff's out there for us

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when you needed It

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It did.

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It absolutely did.

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And we were, you know, listen, from a financial standpoint, we

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were less than broke at the time.

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So it was a real blessing in so many ways.

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But

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so cool.

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let's define what is clutter, because I think it might mean some

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different things to different people.

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Well, I love this.

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Absolutely, right?

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Like, I think you say clutter and people immediately feel judged.

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I imagine this happens for you.

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If you tell people you got rid of everything and you live in an rv, they,

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think, oh, you don't wanna see my house.

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they automatically feel judged.

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But, you know, my definition of clutter is just anything that is in your

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possession that isn't serving you.

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Mm-hmm.

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So if you love all that stuff in those drawers, right?

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And you know what's in there, right?

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That's the caveat.

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You can't just be like, I love all my stuff because you probably

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don't know what you have unless you've taken a look, right?

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But if, if you are on board with keeping it, then it's actually not

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clutter like, as far as I'm concerned.

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anything that is in your possession that isn't serving you right, and

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you get to decide what's serving you, it could be serving you because

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you know it's a special memory.

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or you, you know, you're keeping it for like, quote unquote insurance purposes.

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You might need it, right?

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Like, if you truly believe that, then it's actually not clutter, right?

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But those things that you're keeping because, you know, you're afraid to let

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them go, or you haven't looked in the box and you moved it 10 years ago and

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you know all of that, that is clutter.

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It's in your way.

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you keep cursing it when you trip over it.

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That's clutter.

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So

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my wife hates when I tell the story of helping her mother move multiple times.

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We helped her move and I moved boxes that had garage sale on them

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so many times they, they were a box that had garage sale, but we, we moved

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them and moved them and moved them.

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What are,

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Mm-hmm.

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let's, I think it's important 'cause there is the physical of this, I

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mean, it's just the walking into a room or a place, a space and going,

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there's a lot here

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Mm-hmm.

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but that's relative though.

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I mean, for some people it might.

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Be okay to have a lot there.

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And some people may not,

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may not want drawers.

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Um,

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Mm-hmm.

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but what, talk about, I don't know if the emotional is what we should

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talk about first or the mindset,

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Mm-hmm.

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I really do, and I have, this is kind of tough for me and I'm almost looking for

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you to educate me a little bit because I'm fairly harsh in this area and maybe judgy.

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And so I would love to understand more of the emotion and the

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mindset that people go through that are going through this process.

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That people that are holding onto things that aren't

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Yes,

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is that what

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yes.

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thinking?

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or they've accumulated them,

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Mm-hmm.

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now they're going, okay, there's an issue

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that needs to be dealt with.

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Yeah.

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I think it really, most of it, not all of it, but a big component is just fear.

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You know?

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it's fear.

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It's fear that I might need it.

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It is fear that I'm gonna miss it.

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fear that, you know, this belonged to somebody and they're gone.

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This is all I have left from them, I just can't bear to let that go.

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Even though I don't look at it and I can't find it, and you know, I have,

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you know, like it's just all fear.

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there's other reasons too, right?

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Like, so some people may have grown up, not having enough, or their

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parents or grandparents were in the depression, so they were taught,

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you know, we don't waste stuff.

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Like we keep this stuff, we're gonna like, we wanna be prepared.

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And so they are living in, you know, they're acting like it's 1945 or 19,

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you know, 29, but they live in 2025 where we can order with one click

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things are kind of cheap, right?

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Clothing is like fast fashion, like you can get whatever you want.

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So these two things create this perfect storm of a lot of stuff.

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which does is not conducive.

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So, so those are kind of some of the things that are going on.

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Um, those are like the main issues, right?

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And then you get, you add in, let's say overwhelm, you add in anxiety, which I

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believe is at an all time high right now.

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Uh, you add in a DHD, so people wanna clean up, right?

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They wanna let go of stuff, They have no idea where to start,

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and then they're kind of frozen.

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They're, you know, they're like, I don't wanna do this.

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Right?

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And they get distracted and, you know, the clutter is distracting,

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so it's like, it gets compounded.

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So that is a factor too.

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Um, and so all of these things together kind of make it really

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hard for someone to, um, you know, to reverse the, the trend.

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And, you know, with clutter, I believe that it's, you're either,

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either actively maintaining and decluttering, or you are or you're not.

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And if you are not, then you are accumulating, Which is only going

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to, you know, make things look worse.

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Yeah, I, that's actually, uh, exactly what I was about to ask.

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It was a theory that I have that, that most of our society culture, first world,

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especially marketing and all the business, they are pressing accumulation on us.

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Mm-hmm.

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And so

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of course.

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doing nothing or just staying static.

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Is probably not an option because if you're not working at pushing back some

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of that accumulation, it is going to

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Mm-hmm.

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accumulating.

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Ha have you, so, so you could address that.

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But I also wanna ask, have you ever looked at the history of this?

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Is this a newer thing?

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Like the last a hundred, 150 years?

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It, has it been around, you know, 2000 years since Jesus was here?

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You know, did the, you know, did, uh, did the Nation of Israel, they

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carried a bunch of stuff out of Egypt.

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Maybe they, you know what I mean?

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What, what is this a, uh, is this a new thing?

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Is this, is this a modern culture thing?

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Yeah.

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Um, so I, this is just my opinion, but I do believe this is

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probably the last a hundred, 120

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Hmm.

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right?

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Because

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a hundred years ago, 150 years ago, people would have just like, just a handful of.

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Outfits of clothing, right?

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Clothing was expensive.

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expensive.

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That, that much, you know, that, that much, that many years ago.

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Uh, and now things have, you know, technology makes things

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cheaper, TVs, computers, whatever.

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Like, like things.

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And I'm not saying that our budgets aren't stretched 'cause that's not,

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that's not what's going on here.

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But, but in general, you know, the, the, the, the item of the outfit

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of clothing that you buy today can cost a lot, like a fraction of what

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it would cost a hundred years ago.

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So I do believe that it's, it's more of a modern phenomenon.

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Um, there is an element of, like, as humans, we are programmed to,

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you know, to save for a rainy day.

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Right?

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That makes sense.

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Right?

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You don't, if you don't know when you're gonna be able to go hunting and, or you

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know, is your harvest gonna come in?

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You need to save some stuff up, right?

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We need that.

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There's that little, little bit of hoarding instinct that.

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Survival.

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Right.

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So that is, that's just innate.

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But I believe that just our current society has just exacerbated that

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tendency and, and made it so that it just became in extreme right.

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So

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Hmm.

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I, I do believe it's become a lot

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more of a problem in the last, probably 30, 40 years than,

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than it has been in the past.

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I, I, I think primarily I was glancing at your website here,

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primarily you are talking about stuff,

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Mm-hmm.

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but clutter also involves other things.

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I think I saw a note, uh, about that somewhere.

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It's, you know, it's time, it's life, it's, it's other things.

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Talk about the things that are not stuff that can, that can get cluttered.

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Yeah.

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Well, it's like if you, you know, if you have a cluttered home, you

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may have a hard time saying no.

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Like, so people wanna give you their things, right?

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They're like, oh, I don't need this.

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Uh, you should take it.

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Right?

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Well, oh, well, oh, I don't know.

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Like we feel like we can't say no to these things 'cause it would be rude.

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Right?

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Someone wants to give you something, you have to say yes.

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Right?

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So, um, there's kind of that aspect of people pleasing that comes in.

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And then also, you know, like just.

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Good things come your way.

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So whether that's opportunities or, um, volunteer, you know,

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experiences or, or new hobbies.

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So time commitments.

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So we do find that people have just a lot they pack in their calendar, right?

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They're gonna pack in their, their garage.

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They're also gonna pack in their calendar and, you know, just have so much going on.

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and then wonder why they're feeling so stressed, right?

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I think sometimes actually we do it, um, we are gonna pack in our spaces and, or,

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you know, our, time or what's going on inside our heads because we don't wanna

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think, like, we don't wanna stop and think about what's actually going on, right?

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Like, if you cleared out your calendar and had a free day, then you might have

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to face yourself and you might not like what you see, You might realize that,

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you know, you wanna make some changes in your life and you're not happy.

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So a lot of these things, the physical clutter and then also the, the, um.

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I know.

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Theoretical clutter.

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The, the invisible clutter.

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It's a distraction from really going on in your life.

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Um, and you know, I understand

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why some people don't wanna face it 'cause it could be painful, you

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Well, and there's no doubt we have a very distracted society.

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I can't pick my phone up here because it's my camera, but we,

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we have so much coming at us

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Yeah.

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and I, I guess one thing I'm curious, your observation, I guess with, with people in

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the club, and I don't know if you have a gauge for this or not, but I, is it one of

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these things where if people are cluttered in one area, they are often cluttered

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in many areas, or is it very segmented?

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It's like, you know what, I got a hobby room that's just a mess.

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Mm-hmm.

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else, I'm fairly orderly.

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That might be a little bit of an exaggeration, but I, I guess one of

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the things I think about is time.

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I'm been working very diligently over the last handful of years

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just to keep my calendar very.

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Open, you know, I typically we're recording on a Friday,

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which is very unique for me.

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Usually Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

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That's the only time I do scheduled stuff.

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And uh, and it's usually just in the afternoons or mid,

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mid-morning to afternoon.

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So what, what do you, do you see people that are cluttered in a lot of areas or is

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it more segmented?

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Yeah, I think it's actually a combination.

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I think there are some people, and we have, uh, one of our coaches, she

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jokes that, you know, her house was like if you came over to her house,

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even before she started decluttering, wouldn't, you'd think, oh, you

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know, she's got it all together.

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She's super organized.

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But she always said, you know, well, don't open a closet.

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You know, don't open, you know, behind closed doors.

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It was a different story.

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So things are packed in.

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So we do have some people like that, right?

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They keep up their standards in, you know, maybe in their public areas of

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their home, but then, you know, don't go upstairs or don't go in the basement.

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Don't open the doors, don't look at my calendar.

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Right?

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So we have some of that.

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And then we have people that are, you know, it just kind of spills over and,

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and so like, it's like a ripple effect.

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So, you know, first the kitchen gets messy and then they're like,

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well, the kitchen is a mess.

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And then they, they start not keeping up with the laundry and,

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you know, and, and so on and so on.

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So we, we do have a mix.

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Um, I guess I would probably say that we have more people in

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that second bucket that, that struggle with a number of areas.

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And maybe they have, maybe they're great at work, right?

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They're like, work gives them structure, right?

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Because, you know, they need to be there on time.

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They've got, you know, they have a boss to report to.

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So, it's easier to fit in in that environment, whereas at home, you, you

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make it up, you create the structure.

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And that's really challenging.

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That's one of the things that we, we give people is here's how you can

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create your own structure, then you can operate more easily within that.

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And, um.

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You know, it's not just like figuring out every day you have to start over.

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Right.

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So

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Yeah, I,

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of what's going on there.

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I think what we'll do is, we'll, we'll come back towards the tail end of the

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conversation and try to give some tips and, um, some specific things that

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people might do that are kind of facing some clutter, uh, in their lives.

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But I would really, I, I, I, I love business journeys.

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I love talking about the journeys that people have been on.

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And I, I guess even before we get to the Declutter Decluttering Club, which

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I think has had a few iterations, if I, if I remember our conversation, what,

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what were you trained for to do college?

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Just gimme some of, uh, Sarah, the early years, whatever you think

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might, might be cool to share.

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Yeah, gladly.

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Yeah.

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So this is my third business.

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Um, I have been, I had a corporate job.

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Uh, so I went to University of Pennsylvania, got a degree,

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undergrad with the Wharton School, so I have a business degree, right.

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and then I had a corporate job for six years, but then my oldest son

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was born, so I thought, you know, like, this commute is for the birds.

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I don't really like this anymore.

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So I left that job and, uh, went out as on my own as an IT consultant, right?

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So I did that for a few years.

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Um, and then.

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Decided, you know, this internet seems like a pretty cool thing.

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maybe, maybe I should start my own internet business.

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Um, and so I actually started a, an import business for German books, right?

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Because my, my now ex-husband and I were speaking German with our kids.

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And you know, I'm a book lover, so it's like we need books for these kids.

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And so we did that.

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I ran that for.

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guess probably 12, 12 years.

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Right?

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That was an online business.

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We had books, we had a bookstore in the basement.

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I would ship 'em out and I learned so much and I learned how to build websites.

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I learned like my first real taste of marketing and fulfillment and customer

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service and, you know, learned how to, how to create my own structure, right?

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Uh, from that business.

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And I sold that business needed something to do because I, you know,

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at that point I had four kids, uh, and I was homeschooling the kids,

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but I kind of have a lot of energy.

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So I thought, let's just start a, start a blog.

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'cause I like to give advice, right?

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I like to tell people how to do stuff.

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I think I have answers.

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And, um, the, the people that my friends at the time weren't really

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interested in my advice, you know, like, have you ever noticed that?

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Like your friends are like, yeah, that's great.

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Like, I didn't ask you,

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Family.

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Family's usually not interested either.

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It's usually strangers are more interested than people that are in your circle.

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Yeah.

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So when you get people who say, oh my gosh, that's such a great idea.

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I did what you said, and it worked, you know, that's like the best feeling ever.

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that is what has now turned into the decluttering Club.

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Right.

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And that started, uh, I guess about eight years ago I started that business um,

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it's just grown and evolved and morphed, um, into, you know, where we are now with

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just an absolutely thriving community.

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So I, I'd love to know time.

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What was the timeframes of the book business online?

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I'm sitting here thinking Amazon, you're, you know, Sarah could

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have been Sarah, could have been Bezos, you know, she could have.

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But, um,

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not quite as big as, as Jeff.

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what, uh, what, what was, what was the timeframe of that?

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What that, of that business?

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The book business.

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Yeah.

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That was, uh, 2003 to 2012.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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So right after the.com bubble had burst and people were

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picking up the, the pieces and

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Mm-hmm.

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like that.

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Are you a, are you a tech person?

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Would you be, would you be pretty proficient at, you mentioned

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websites and things like that.

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'cause a lot of people get intimidated by that with these

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type businesses, but you seem,

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doesn't bother you one bit.

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Yeah.

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I'm, I'm kind of a hack, right?

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Like, I can, I can find my way around.

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I actually think that is not always a good thing, you know?

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Like if you can, if you can do some of these things, then you may be reluctant

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to hire help, and maybe you're not quite as good as someone else would be.

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But it does, it does help when, you know, when I'm, when I'm hiring someone

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or when I need to do something, I'm like, I understand how this works.

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So I definitely have kind of that, that mentality, that mindset.

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I'm not at all trained in, you know, in tech, but, uh, I can

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kind of find my way around.

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I, I bet your light.

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My wife, Gloria.

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You figure things out.

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Mm-hmm.

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It's like if you've got something, you figure it out.

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There are so many, like it is stupid easy to, to use the tools we have today.

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I mean, I was coding, I was writing HTML in 2003, so you cannot tell

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me that the technology is hard.

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It's not, I mean, there's always, there's always things to work out, but, you know,

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if it were easy, everybody would do it.

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You know, if it, I, I heard this quote, I don't remember who said this, but,

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you know, if it, if it were easy, you know, you would've done it by now.

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Like, all the things that are worth doing are just not easy.

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And whether that's decluttering or building a business,

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um, you gotta be up for.

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Right now, when, when we talked we, we talked a little bit of

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details of your business, and I don't want us to go into that.

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However, there could be some people that are hearing Declutter Decluttering

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Club and think, oh, it's a nice little side business side hustle type deal.

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It it is not, this is a very nice size business.

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What, what can, or what are you willing to share maybe about the, um, the, the,

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the size and scope of it at this stage?

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What,

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what are you comfortable sharing?

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Because it's impressive.

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thank you.

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Thank you.

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Now it's, um, yeah, people, people are shocked actually that

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I make any money, you know, it's

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I know.

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It's like, oh, it's a little club.

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You, you teach people how to clean up the kitchen.

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And I, I, I tell my kids this, I'm like, listen, you guys get this for free.

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People pay me for this.

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You know, you should be grateful.

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You know, and they, they roll their eyes.

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But, um, no, I mean, we, serve thou, we have thousands of like, I guess

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maybe you can do the math, right?

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We serve thousands of members, um, at, you know, different price points

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between $37 a month and, and up.

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So, you know, you do the math there.

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Um, you know, we're, we're doing very well.

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Uh, we have a long ways to go, right?

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I have some really big goals, but, um, but it is abs like I'm

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taking this seriously, right?

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This is not just a little thing.

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we, we have all kinds of things in place.

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Um, of the things my co one of my coaches mentioned recently was that

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we, you know, whenever we run a call and we have multiple calls for our

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members, we have two people on that call.

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Like, there's so much that goes into just running.

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An every day, you know, run of the mill call, it costs us like hundreds

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of dollars just to put on one call.

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And we do numerous calls every single month.

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we have a whole team, you know, we've got, we've got lawyers, we've

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got trademarks, we've got payroll.

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There's, there's a lot going on.

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Um, and, um.

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I think it's just, it's important.

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This is a really important message.

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People keep coming to me and they say things like, you know, oh gosh,

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it's so cool that you have such a, such a, um, a unique business.

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Like think that this is like me, I don't know, like teaching people how

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to hamsters or something, you know?

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And I'm like, no, like everybody needs this.

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You know?

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And like, let's say 10% of the country is desperate for this knowledge.

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Like literally, like, that is who I am talking to.

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is not a little like thing that is a nice to have.

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No, this is like, this is ruining people's lives, like on a, a tremendous scale.

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that's the way I think about it.

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Yeah, the, the thing that was so impressive too, we were sitting around

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a table, we were chatting when we first met, and I think all of us had,

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you know, just kind of met each other.

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And

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Yeah.

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that anybody were none.

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It wasn't the type of room where people were sizing people up, but you were,

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Mm-hmm.

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kinda curious about other people's business we're there

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to learn and hopefully help and different things like that.

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And, and, and, and I remember when it got to your turn, I was like, I,

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I was, I was literally blown away.

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You know, we were talking about memberships and things like that.

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So it was, yes.

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I mean, if anybody can do that math, they can, uh, they can come up with

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some very, very impressive numbers.

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I'm curious, you said you went to what many would consider one of the

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top business schools in the country.

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Mm-hmm.

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much of what you were trained on there?

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Would you say you are using and applying in this business?

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You know what, 15?

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I'm trying to do the math here.

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15 years later.

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20 years later or something like that.

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Let's try 30.

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Well, I was trying to be polite.

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I was trying.

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I, um, likehonestly, I really

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don't.

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Um, but I, I love that question because I really.

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I'm sure there are things, right?

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Like I, I did really enjoy my time in college, but, um, I mean, first

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of all, business and internet businesses, they just didn't exist.

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Like there was no

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okay.

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so couldn't have taught that.

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Um, I probably learned lot of things in terms like accounting

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fundamentals for sure,

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Mm-hmm.

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right?

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So some,

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some solid business fundamentals came through that.

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Um, I didn't really take that many marketing courses.

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Uh, I have.

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Spent the last 30 years educating myself, you know, like one thing after another.

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So I would say that the, the majority of what I use, like my skills now

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is, is all on the job for sure.

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I'm, I'm sure that's, you know, it's not a hundred percent, but, um, I just, you,

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you can't compare to learning on the job.

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Like this is when you get creative, this is when you, have to figure things out.

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You know, there's no angry customers, there's no unhappy customers or

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broken tech in a college course.

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It just doesn't, you can't, you can't create that.

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So,

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So, so then what are you advising your children to do?

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I'm just curious about this.

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'cause see, I think you've got 'em in probably these ages where they're maybe

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starting their lives and all that.

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And you, I, I know you've got multiple kids, so you don't have to go through

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each one, but I'm just, I'm just curious 'cause I, I, I look around at times and

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I used to be, I'm very optimistic, but I'll look around and go, you know what?

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I don't know that I really know what to tell people to do right now.

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What, what are you telling your kids?

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well, so I have one kid who's gonna be an engineer, so he's in college.

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That makes perfect sense for him.

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I have one kid who's in computer science, uh, and then I have two that are, um,

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one's in eighth grade and one's just graduating, you know, and I mean, I

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have told them that they don't have to go to college if they don't want to.

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They do not believe me.

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They're like, it's easy for you to say that you have an Ivy League degree mom.

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And so they just really don't believe me.

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But, I sort of feel like it's all just gonna work out, you know,

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like I'm just not worried about it.

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Like.

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Really, I mean, I'm gonna, I'm gonna try and guide them.

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I'm gonna try and expose them to things that I think would be useful.

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I've taken all of my kids on business trips now because I want

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them to meet other entrepreneurs.

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I want them to see, you know, like the world is a really big place.

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People are doing some crazy stuff.

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Like, there are some amazing, amazing businesses out there.

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You know, they see me doing my work.

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So, uh, I think that's kind of my, my goal is to just expose them to as

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many ideas as I can and to the world and to travel and to try to make sure

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that they don't just kind of pigeonhole themselves into thinking this is,

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this is the what everybody does.

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You know, you just go to college and then you go and get a job

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and you're there for 40 years.

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Like but not necessarily.

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Right?

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Like, I want them to know that they have options and I want them to be resourceful.

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And, you know, how that works out for them is, is really gonna be up to them.

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And I'm just gonna try and be available to them.

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What's interesting is, uh, it just came to mind that we will often

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clutter our lives with education.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's may not be needed or we think we're supposed to go to this

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school because mama wants me to go

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Yeah.

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I, I agree.

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If someone's gonna be an engineer, they need to go to engineering school.

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I went to Georgia Tech.

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I'm an engineer.

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I don't do a lot of engineering, but, um, I've got clients that are

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engineering companies and yeah, you need that engineering degree.

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Work towards getting your pe, all that kinda stuff.

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Mm-hmm.

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uh, I, I've come to realize that one of the struggles I still deal, deal with

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and my wife does also is information.

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We actually gather too much information.

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And I actually think education

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can be similar.

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That people just feel like they need all of this.

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And you know what?

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At some point you need to sit down.

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This is a transition right here.

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I'm gonna project it.

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You need to just sit down and start writing a blog,

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Huh?

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which it sort of sounds like that's what you did.

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And so the question I have is how intentional or purposeful

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or goal, what was around

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this timeframe when you said, I'm gonna start writing a blog and it's eventually

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going to be an extremely successful membership model business, or I just

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have some info and I just wanna type it out and get it out to the world?

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Yeah, it was really just one thing leading to the next I I, I could never

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have imagined what I. like I did want to have a successful business, right?

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Like I, I was following some different influencers, you

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know, probably 10 years ago.

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Um, so I kind of wanted to be a quote unquote success, but there is

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no way I could have predicted that it would look like this, right?

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And I think if I had known, I would, I'd have been like, I'm out.

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This is too hard.

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Like, no, we're like this.

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Like, no.

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But um, so it was really just like one step at a time, right?

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Like, okay, I'm gonna share some ideas.

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Oh, this is kind of cool, you know?

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And then maybe I learn, oh, you should start an email list.

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'cause that's a great way to communicate with people.

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I was like, oh, sounds good to me.

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I'll do that.

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Right?

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And then built that.

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And so really one thing led to another and I think that's been like.

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When I do things that way, it is the most effective I think sometimes, you

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know, like, I love thinking big and I think I, I'm not thinking big enough.

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Um, but sometimes thinking big can be paralyzing, know?

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So I think you have to be careful.

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And like you said, um, if you were just consuming.

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You know, and anything, whether it's food or information education, like that's,

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that's not gonna get you anywhere.

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It feels productive, know?

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It feels, it feels great.

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Oh, I got, you know, I know how to do these things, but you don't like, like,

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that doesn't count for anything until you've actually gone out and done it.

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So, I am a huge fan of let's just try stuff.

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Let's, let's launch it in a weekend.

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Like, what's the simplest way to do things?

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I think people sit around for way too long, way too long, um, instead

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of just trying things out, right?

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Because we're, we're just kind of afraid of rejection, right?

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That's why people don't, don't do things is 'cause they think they're gonna fail.

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And, uh, you know, they might, but then they learn something and

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then they can try again, right?

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If you could fail 10 times in the space of time that someone else is learning,

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you are, you are a million, steps ahead.

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Um, and that's okay, right?

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That is literally how you build a business despite figuring out what doesn't work.

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I, I think a lot of people also, when they start doing something like

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that, they're attempting to monetize as quickly as possible because, uh,

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you know, they need to put food on the table or something like that.

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Was there any of that for you?

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Did you have other income streams?

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What, what?

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Did you feel pressure to make it work and make it work quick, or

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were you able to be patient anyway?

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I, there's a lot of things there, but a, a lot of it might come down to how

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quickly did you feel pressure to monetize?

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Well, so I was probably making maybe $30,000 when I got divorced, and so I

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was like, oh, okay, well, so either this needs to start producing some money or I

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just didn't need to go get a job, Like,

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I

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I was like, that's cool.

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I could

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do that.

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You know, I can go get a job.

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Like that was never.

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That was never just gonna be like a, a disaster for me.

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Uh, I didn't want to Right.

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But I was like, if this doesn't work, no big deal.

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Right?

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It's cool.

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I will just, I will go work at Starbucks and then I'll figure out my life.

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So, so there was definitely some pressure, right?

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But it's not like I had to go make a million dollars the first year.

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I think sometimes people just, they compare themselves.

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They're like, Ooh, you know, they look at and they go, oh, Tony Robbins is

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doing this, so I should do that too.

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No, you shouldn't.

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Like, he's, he is, you can't compare where you are to where someone else is that

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has been doing this for that much longer.

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like, you're not gonna do the same things like at all.

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So I think, I think that it is important to give yourself time

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to, to figure things out, you know?

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And if that's six months, if that's a year, if that's three months, know, like.

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Maybe you can get by with, you know, a thousand dollars or $2,000.

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That's, it's not hard to make $2,000.

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Right.

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Making a hundred thousand dollars in your first year.

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That might be like way outta reach.

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But if you're like, okay, how can I make a couple thousand bucks?

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It's not hard to do.

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Hmm.

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At what point did you look at it and go, Hmm, I, I think we've got something here.

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This actually is, we're getting some traction.

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We've got some people that are, that are joining, joining us.

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What, what, when do you, you said eight years is kind of when you started, at

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what point did you go, this is working?

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I mean, you know, it's hilarious because I was probably making a lot of

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money way before I had that thought.

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In fact, I got coached on this, I think it was three years ago.

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Uh, because I wasn't hitting my goals right.

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And I, I didn't, I wasn't willing to see the success that we were having.

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So, you know, our customers were happy, things were working well, and I was

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still thinking, you know, it's just not working the way I want it to work.

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And, um, got coached on that and it turns out I, I realized, oh, actually,

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it, it's absolutely working right?

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It was kind of hilarious because it just really flipped my thinking

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and I thought, oh, everything Like, is it, is it neat and tidy?

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Is it all wrapped up in a bow?

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Like, no, not at all.

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But, but like, everything is going well.

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Customers are happy, you know, we're making money, we're profitable.

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You know, like, like those are all really important things.

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So I would say probably three years ago was when I started to feel that way.

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Um,

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it was a five.

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It was, it was a five year

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yeah.

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before you said, Hmm, this is, this is doing something.

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One of the things Sarah is.

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could have, I could have thought that two or three years before then,

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but I just didn't see it that way.

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You know?

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I was like real critical.

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Like we all have, I, I'm sure you do too, have high standards.

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Right?

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And we're just not happy.

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We're never, but that's not a good thing.

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It's not a good thing to not notice your success.

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Well, it, it is, but that really did, boy, you're, you're setting

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me up for my next question.

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This is

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Ooh.

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gonna be a home run.

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I think I, as I've been sitting here talking to you and I, and

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we've talked a couple other times, I notice how comfortable you are

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or you appear to be in being you.

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And, um, and I'm curious to what

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number one do you agree with, with that observation and number two,

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to, what do you attribute that to?

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I agree.

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I, I totally agree.

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I think it wasn't always way.

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you

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Hmm.

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a lot of opportunities, even like, what,

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five or six, six years ago?

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Was it 20, 20 19?

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I was one of, um, a small number of people that, that was flown to

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at the Facebook Community Summit.

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Like Facebook had this huge event, and, and I was actually one of

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like 10 people that was honored.

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Uh, you know, they had picked us to, to, to, to test out some new features.

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And I was, had all this press and I was still like, I can't, like stop

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looking at me, like, don't, like, I, I don't know what to do with this.

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This is, this is very uncomfortable.

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But I think over time I've just like started to accept that like, this is

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who I am and I do have a big mission.

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So, um, I think over time it has gotten easier.

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What was, what was the question?

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Is that mean?

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What was the second question?

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Why,

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of thought.

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Why, why, What do you attribute it to?

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Just being comfortable.

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I mean, I don't, you don't seem like you're striving.

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You don't seem like you're I'm, and that is in no way saying

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there's not stuff going on.

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Okay.

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I am not in any way saying everything's perfect in your life.

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What I'm saying is you just.

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Seem, this is a spiritual term for me.

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You seem at peace and you seem at rest.

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You, uh, you, you've got stuff going on, but you're just, you're,

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Mm-hmm.

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I was just wondering what you might attribute that to.

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Is there any practices?

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Is there anything that you do?

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Are you aware of it?

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Um, anyway,

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Yeah.

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Um, well, I have just done, I have done so much work, so much work on, you know,

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on myself, on mindset, um, and, you know, I mean, maybe it gets a little

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bit back to what I said about my kids.

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I'm like, everything is gonna work out fine.

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I'm just, I

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I.

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just not worried about like, a lot of

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things anymore.

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and I think that just lets me show up like with truth and honesty you know,

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about who I am, about what's going on, about what I can do, you know, about

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what, what, what's going on in the world.

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It lets me again be non-judgmental.

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so I think, I think there's that, I think, I just think that we worry so needlessly,

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you know, like there's just so much worrying going on in the world and worry

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is a natural human emotion, you know?

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um.

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I think if you just have faith, like, like we're just, we're just specs

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floating on, on a, a ball of rock.

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You know?

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Like, like, you know, if you, if you have faith, then like,

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what's there to worry about?

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You know, God has it all sorted out.

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Like, like, why am I worried?

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It's, it's kind of comical, you know, when you think about it.

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It, it it,

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done all of that work.

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that's good.

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And.

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It's so, it's so interesting how when I get a question that pop in

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my mind and then you'll answer it before I actually get to the question.

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'cause I was about to ask, I sometimes define faith at its root as believing

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that everything's gonna be okay.

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Mm-hmm.

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then you, you went there, so that's awesome.

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So, uh,

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Yeah.

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any, any,

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it's not okay.

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Like

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sometimes it's not okay and it's still like, it's still okay.

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it is still okay, especially when we look at timeframes.

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You, it's like, yeah, some things are short term, like, you know, when we got

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on the call here, I said, you know what?

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I'm dealing with some of this crud.

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I'm gonna power through.

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My eyes are glassy, my voice sounds a little bit blah.

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But, you know, and my wife and I are real important when we do this,

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we, we don't make decisions while we're not feeling well or we're

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fatigued because we know it'll pass.

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I mean, and we were talking this morning, how long have we been sick?

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She goes, it's only been a couple days.

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I'm going, good.

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Gosh.

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It seems like it's been a long time, but

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Been months.

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yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anything else?

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Anything else you wanna share

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about your business

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Mm-hmm.

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to maybe people that might be listening in that might be business owners or

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anything before I finish up with a few questions about specifically decluttering.

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Hmm.

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Yeah, I think I think people are just so reluctant to, uh, to try things, you know?

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I think that's one of the things that I do really well and I always have,

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you know, like, what's the worst that can, if people are like, oh, I remember

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I coached someone at one point, they were like, I'm just really worried

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about like starting my Facebook group.

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And I was like, dude, no one is listening you.

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You're fine.

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Like, I promise you no one is even noticing.

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So just do your thing, it out.

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You know, start with one person.

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Like, we just, we just put all this pressure on ourselves to,

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to be perfect and to do it right.

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And, you know, nobody's watching at the beginning.

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And then when they are watching, like, you know, I mean, I am, I am

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such a huge fan of making mistakes.

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Like I talk about this all the time.

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Maybe this is the, maybe this is the thing.

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Okay.

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Like, what is so bad about being wrong, right?

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Like, what if you're wrong?

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Like, what if you were okay with being wrong?

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There is incredible freedom.

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Incredible freedom right now.

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We don't have to defend ourselves.

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We don't have to fight.

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We don't have to, we don't have to be right?

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You know?

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And doesn't mean we don't wanna be right?

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Of course we wanna be right.

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Of course we wanna do things well, like, of course I do.

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But also, just like, be okay if you screw up, right?

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If you're not afraid of screwing up, making a mistake, making someone

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unhappy, you're gonna do, do a million times more than someone who

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is like, trying to do it all right?

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Like, it's just, it's, it's, it's impossible.

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So just like be willing to screw up and make mistakes.

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And this is a probably a message that I need to remember

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because, I struggle with it too.

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But, um, I think there's so much freedom and, and like being okay with being wrong.

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Why not?

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Yeah, I think that's good.

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It goes back to what we talked about, faith, everything's gonna be okay.

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And I've had some conversations on recent podcasts about the word risk and how we

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have become a society, a culture that we don't, we can't really evaluate risk.

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Well, and I mean one of, one of the things, and I'm sure you probably are

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able to think about this, is like, what's the worst thing that can happen?

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Mm-hmm.

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What is the worst thing that can happen if you write a few blog posts and

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what's the worst thing that can happen?

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You know, what is anyone,

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your

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is anyone going to.

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Someone laughs at you, the internet trolls show up and, and you know, and

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I'm always like, well, they're just bots.

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Like, they're not actually not even real people.

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Like that's my always my thought, you know, some people are afraid

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of going viral, and I'm like, why?

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That's hilarious.

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You know, like these, these people, it's just all engagement.

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I mean, there's so much I could say there.

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Um, yeah.

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What's the worst that can happen?

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People yell at you like, okay, you're not dead.

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Like,

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and and

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you're not gonna care anyways.

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So,

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that's right.

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I mean, so I, I don't, I don't think anyone's lost, you know, limbs or

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their life or anything like that, but yeah, I mean, it's just, come on.

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Um, what are, what are, when someone comes into the decluttering club,

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Mm-hmm.

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and, and what I'd love to do is maybe walk through how they come in

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Mm-hmm.

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and what are some things they could expect early on, and we can talk about

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where they need to go to find all that.

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What, what are some things they could expect when they come into the club?

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Yeah.

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So the first thing that we teach everybody, our very first lesson is

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what we call kitchen zero, right?

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Because the kitchen is, you know, where you spend most of your time,

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a lot of your time, uh, and any work that you're gonna do in your

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kitchen is gonna pay off, right?

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It's gonna have this ripple effect.

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So we teach our members how to do what we call kitchen zero, which really just

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means like, what is the one, or what are the one or two things that you're

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willing to do in your kitchen every day?

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And that is the emphasis every day, right?

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And everybody comes back and they're like, oh, there's 20 things that I have to do.

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And I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.

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You won't do those every day, right?

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I need you to tell me one or two things.

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So, so we teach 'em how to do that, and then they do it every

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day and we coach them through that.

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And then over time, they literally basically have a brand new kitchen because

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they start taking care of it regularly.

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And then, you know, it's, it's just awesome.

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So that's the first thing that we do.

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But we're really big on, you know, on what we call baby steps and, you

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know, on working 10 minutes at a time.

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Because again, if you're showing up and you're overwhelmed,

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you have a lot of work to do.

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You think you need to clear your schedule for the next, you know,

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three months and just like.

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Torture yourself by getting the shovel in the dumpster.

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And nobody wants to do that.

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That's, no, nobody's signing up for that.

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So we, we really work hard on and convincing people, 10 minutes, give

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me 10 minutes, 10 minutes today, 10 minutes tomorrow, 10 minutes later.

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Right?

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It will add up over time.

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and that helps people to overcome their perfectionism, their A DHD,

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you know, they're overwhelmed, right?

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So those are kind of the two, two, like really, uh,

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introductory types of things we do.

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We have a really strong community.

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We match people up with buddies.

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so they feel, they feel like they're not alone, right?

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They feel, oh, other people have these problems, right?

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We can talk about them.

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okay to, it's okay to be real, right?

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Like, we're all about real, real talk.

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Um, we.

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celebrate the wins, but we're also there.

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You know, someone loses a husband, loses a child, loses their

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job, they're sick, whatever.

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We're there for that.

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You know, like that's, that's a really important thing.

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And so that's what we're all about.

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Um, and I think, I think people realize it.

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And so it's, it's real powerful.

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You at the beginning you talked about how you don't really judge people.

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I, I think the community seems like it's adopted.

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That seems like a safe space.

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Would that be accurate?

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Yeah.

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Absolutely.

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A hundred percent.

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Yeah.

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So where can people find it?

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Tell people I've got it pulled up here, but go ahead and you tell 'em.

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We'll, we'll include all that in the notes and I've got one more question.

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That'll be a

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Okay.

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nice one we can wrap up with.

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Yeah, so you can find us on social.

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We're on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube.

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Um, handle is the, the Decluttering Club.

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Uh, you can just search us up, um, or you can go to our blog or our

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website, the decluttering club.com.

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Um, we do have a free training that you can sign up for some

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free decluttering challenges.

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10 minutes is all you need.

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Um, it's a really great way to get started, but social is really my jam.

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I'm, I am, it's all me on social media, at least right now.

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and I love, it's just so much fun for me.

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So that is where I hang out.

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That actually calls me to think of another question to ask that I wasn't gonna ask.

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How do you keep social media from cluttering up your life?

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Is that a hard, I said, you know that 'cause social media

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clutters a lot of our lives,

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It really does.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I do not let my phone ding.

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My phone does not like, does not call the shots.

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I

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so no notifica, no notifications.

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I don't have any notifications either.

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like, you know, texts.

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But, um, yeah, no no notifications.

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I turn up all those badges, right.

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So like none of that happens 'cause I do not want my phone

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to dictate when I look at it.

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Um, but, um, I. I if some great stuff going on in your life, then, then social

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media is not as much of a poll right now.

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I, I probably, I think I would appreciate like, using social media less than I do.

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you know, and it's like, oh, it's for business, right?

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So it's kind of a convenient excuse, but um, at some point you kind of get

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over it, you know, it, it's boring over time, like it kind of loses its thrill.

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And I've done a lot of research and a lot of work on, on dopamine and,

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and kind of the effect that has.

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So I'm very aware of it and I don't want it to, to have that impact on me.

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so I think that's, that's kind of it.

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Like, you know, there was a time when, you know, I was going viral a lot, reach,

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I was reaching like millions of people.

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I still am.

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But um, that really pulled me in.

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And then I realized, you know, like I. what, like, who cares?

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You know, I, I don't want this to be like all I think about, right?

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Because you can reach lots of people and still not have an impact.

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So what gets that?

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Like, that's, that's no fun either.

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So

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Hmm.

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just keeping it in perspective is the most important thing.

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But

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turn off those notifications.

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They are their vile, they have to go, they're the devil.

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I know my wife really wishes I would have sounds on.

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I don't have any sounds.

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I don't have, my phone doesn't ring texts, no notifications,

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Uh

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I go to my phone when I want to go to it.

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It doesn't call me in, but I do go to it often, which is an issue.

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Sarah, let's, um, someone, let's just say someone's been drawn into.

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This episode with the title that probably has something about

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decluttering in it, I'm guessing.

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And they've hung with us this whole time, but they still are a bit

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overwhelmed and, and they are really hopeful or wanting to, to get better.

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I'm gonna give you just, you know, whatever, 30 seconds, a

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minute, whatever you'd like.

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I would like for you to speak directly to that person that still feels as

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if they may not be able to do it.

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So my last thing, if you could just speak to them and help someone

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who believes that they can't

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hmm.

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declutter their life.

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Hmm.

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, I, I sometimes it is hard to believe that you could do it right.

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But I, and, and in that case, you could just borrow my belief because I have seen

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people who identify as hoarders, right?

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We had one woman who, um, she had her room, her bedroom was like

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full of boxes, uh, and she was.

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As overwhelmed as you could get.

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Really?

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She went through and she would just do like an inch at a time, you know, take

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a box, do an in, like, sort through an inch, and she got through all of

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the boxes, the bedroom was cleared, and, then she went onto the kitchen.

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She learned kitchen zero, right?

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So, I mean, of course it's overwhelming, right?

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I think sometimes we feel like I shouldn't be overwhelmed, you know?

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But of course you're overwhelmed, right?

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If your house is full of stuff, you're gonna be overwhelmed.

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That makes perfect sense.

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It's not a surprise, right?

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When, when we realize, oh, this is, this is a normal

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reaction, uh, to the situation.

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Like, we can relax, right?

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And, um, you know, if you are dealing with a lot of clutter.

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You don't, if you knew how to fix it, you would've done it right?

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Like, so of course you don't know how to fix it, but I do.

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Right?

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I do.

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And I have thousands of people are success stories.

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So just come on and let us help you.

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we will show you the way, we will give to you step by step.

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Right?

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You cannot, you can't imagine like the whole journey.

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And also you don't have to, all you have to do is get started, right?

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I mean, we've, that's kind of been a little bit of the theme today is, you

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know, just, just do one thing and then do the next, and then do the next,

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and eventually you will get there.

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Like you will as long as you don't stop.

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That's the only prerequisite.

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Yeah.

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Excellent.

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Thank you Sarah.

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What a great conversation.

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I've enjoyed it.

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Go check out the Decluttering Club, especially if you believe it fits you.

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I think, I think some people should go take a peek just at what

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you're doing there business, even if they're a business person and

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wanna see some cool stuff going on.

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definitely if they believe they fit into that group that needs to

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declutter, check it out@thedeclutteringclub.com.

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We here, we're Seek Go create.

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We've got new episodes every Monday.

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Thankful for people that are watching commenting over on YouTube and

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listening in on all the platforms.

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Thank you for all that you are doing.

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We appreciate it will see everyone next week.