Drop the Armor: Learning How to Fight Differently with Christine Jewell

Christine Jewell: 00:00:00

Do you actually want healing or do you want temporary relief?

Christine Jewell: 00:00:03

Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is

Christine Jewell: 00:00:06

a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't

Christine Jewell: 00:00:10

want to excavate what's going on.

Christine Jewell: 00:00:12

What really needs the medicine,

Christine Jewell: 00:00:14

MM MM MM MM MM MM MM MM

Christine Jewell: 00:00:22

MM

Tim Winders: 00:00:27

Ready to bridge the gap between earthly pursuits and the

Tim Winders: 00:00:30

profound peace of living by faith?

Tim Winders: 00:00:34

Welcome to today's episode of Seek, Go Create the Leadership Journey.

Tim Winders: 00:00:37

Today we're joined by Christine Jewell, founder of Warriors of the

Tim Winders: 00:00:40

Heart and author of Drop the Armor, Release the Past, Ignite Your Faith,

Tim Winders: 00:00:46

and Unlock an Extraordinary Life.

Tim Winders: 00:00:48

I've got a copy right here.

Tim Winders: 00:00:49

We're going to be diving deep into that.

Tim Winders: 00:00:51

Christine's book is written for those who strive for high achievement, but

Tim Winders: 00:00:55

yearn for the fulfillment that comes from integrating kingdom principles

Tim Winders: 00:00:59

into every aspect of their lives.

Tim Winders: 00:01:01

And as a listener, you know, kingdom principles is what we love to talk

Tim Winders: 00:01:05

about here In today's episode, I think Christine is going to share

Tim Winders: 00:01:09

her transformative journey and key insights from her book, guiding us on

Tim Winders: 00:01:12

how to become a new kind of warrior.

Tim Winders: 00:01:14

One who loves leads boldly and fights with Christine, welcome to Seek, Go, Create.

Christine Jewell: 00:01:22

Tim, thank you for having me.

Christine Jewell: 00:01:24

I'm excited to be here.

Tim Winders: 00:01:25

I'm excited that you're here too.

Tim Winders: 00:01:26

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:01:27

On page 181, I've got your book right here.

Tim Winders: 00:01:30

I've gone through it.

Christine Jewell: 00:01:32

All

Tim Winders: 00:01:32

You list out.

Tim Winders: 00:01:33

Can you spot the lies?

Tim Winders: 00:01:34

And one of them is I am what I do.

Tim Winders: 00:01:36

So my first question is.

Tim Winders: 00:01:38

If someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them, Christine?

Christine Jewell: 00:01:43

doing

Tim Winders: 00:01:44

reading this, I go, Oh man, my first question

Tim Winders: 00:01:46

is going to be like something.

Tim Winders: 00:01:48

But yeah, lie number two here, I am what I do.

Tim Winders: 00:01:50

So Christine, if someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them?

Christine Jewell: 00:01:55

Yeah, that's a great question.

Christine Jewell: 00:01:57

Obviously depends on the context, but from a career perspective, you know, what I

Christine Jewell: 00:02:01

say is I help ultra high achievers and, impact driven leader that have chased the

Christine Jewell: 00:02:07

world's ladder for success, established freedom and fulfillment in their lives.

Christine Jewell: 00:02:12

By getting things in the right order,

Tim Winders: 00:02:15

So would you give that answer if you're on an airplane with

Tim Winders: 00:02:18

someone or just at a restaurant?

Christine Jewell: 00:02:21

I would say that when people ask me what I do is

Christine Jewell: 00:02:24

I, I just usually will say, I'm a faith based executive coach.

Christine Jewell: 00:02:28

I work with CEOs and founders on getting their marriage back together, putting

Christine Jewell: 00:02:32

millions of dollars back in their pocket and living a life of true freedom and

Christine Jewell: 00:02:37

fulfillment rather than the rat race.

Tim Winders: 00:02:39

And the reason why I ask you, I mean, I can tell

Tim Winders: 00:02:41

we're going to have some fun.

Tim Winders: 00:02:42

So let's just go ahead and start having a little bit of fun and

Tim Winders: 00:02:45

you're going to go, Oh, thanks, Tim.

Tim Winders: 00:02:47

when you use the term ultra high achievers and listen, we, people

Tim Winders: 00:02:54

that listen in myself, we've all gone through this process of attempting

Tim Winders: 00:02:58

to define our audience and who we interact with and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:03:02

But ultra high achiever, is

Tim Winders: 00:03:09

it pretentious?

Tim Winders: 00:03:09

Is it like obnoxious a little bit?

Tim Winders: 00:03:12

does it, is it a little bit of a put off for some people?

Tim Winders: 00:03:14

Come on, is it?

Tim Winders: 00:03:16

I mean, are you like

Christine Jewell: 00:03:17

know that it's a put off.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:19

I honestly, it depends who I'm talking to, to Tim.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:22

You know, sometimes I say I help warriors at heart, like people who've

Christine Jewell: 00:03:25

been fighting battles their whole life.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:27

I kind of tune into the person I'm talking to.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:29

And then I speak into what I feel that they can really resonate with.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:34

but the reality is a lot of my clients are ultra high achievers in the sense

Christine Jewell: 00:03:38

that they are always at the top of the game by the world standards.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:41

And a lot of them reach out cause they say, man, I have more

Christine Jewell: 00:03:45

success outwardly than anything.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:47

I have everything.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:48

I have the houses, I have the boats, I have this, I have that.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:50

Why am I so unhappy?

Christine Jewell: 00:03:54

Like why?

Christine Jewell: 00:03:55

It's like you, it's crazy.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:57

Because they don't know and it eats them alive.

Christine Jewell: 00:03:59

Yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:04:08

things, but you said ultra high achievers by the world's

Tim Winders: 00:04:12

standards, which, I've done deep dive studies in kingdom of God.

Tim Winders: 00:04:17

And so I love this conversation because it's part of my journey.

Tim Winders: 00:04:22

I think it's part of most of our journeys here on this, on the

Tim Winders: 00:04:25

earth is kind of arriving at what.

Tim Winders: 00:04:30

Success means, you know, what, what is it?

Tim Winders: 00:04:33

Is it ultra high achievement based on the world standards?

Tim Winders: 00:04:37

Is it?

Tim Winders: 00:04:38

And then this kind of opens up a weird question is what is ultra high achievement

Tim Winders: 00:04:43

in the kingdom of God standards?

Tim Winders: 00:04:46

How do you think we people that have written a book called drop the

Tim Winders: 00:04:51

armor 400 pages, by the way, I've I'm impressed with the wording.

Tim Winders: 00:04:56

and by the way, I want to Thank somebody in your office sent me a physical copy.

Tim Winders: 00:05:00

It's been a while since I've read a physical copy of a book.

Tim Winders: 00:05:03

So, so I'm excited that right here, I've got the big, thick, dog eared

Tim Winders: 00:05:11

physical copy of drop the armor, but how should we be defining success?

Tim Winders: 00:05:17

what's your answer to that now?

Christine Jewell: 00:05:19

Well, I think that's such a great question and to your

Christine Jewell: 00:05:22

point, you know, we have the world's definition of success and what it has

Christine Jewell: 00:05:25

shaped us to think that we want to chase and at the beginning of chapter

Christine Jewell: 00:05:30

four, which is shift your allegiance.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:32

You know, I say like when we chase the things of the world, we become puppets.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:37

To the world.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:37

We become puppets to other people's opinions, other people's agendas,

Christine Jewell: 00:05:41

other people's opinions of us.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:42

The greatest fear is, oh my gosh, what will people think of me?

Christine Jewell: 00:05:45

What will I lose?

Christine Jewell: 00:05:46

And it's all externally motivated, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:05:48

And externally driven.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:50

And so the world's System as we know is inverted and inside

Christine Jewell: 00:05:54

out So there's definitely world success versus kingdom success.

Christine Jewell: 00:05:59

So if we're talking about what is kingdom success, you know I think just

Christine Jewell: 00:06:03

the verse is always just so on my heart is really seek ye first the kingdom and

Christine Jewell: 00:06:10

then all things will be added unto us.

Christine Jewell: 00:06:13

I think that when we look at it, for me anyways, you know, when I think whether

Christine Jewell: 00:06:18

I'm growing a business or loving on people, spreading the word of God, like

Christine Jewell: 00:06:23

Obviously the marketplace is my mission.

Christine Jewell: 00:06:26

am I seeking God's heart for this situation?

Christine Jewell: 00:06:30

Am I seeking under the king's dominion, the king's heart, the king's mind, for

Christine Jewell: 00:06:35

whatever it is, my marriage, my children, this thing, if I get that right, I get to

Christine Jewell: 00:06:40

experience the fullness of the experience, the kingdom experience of that situation

Christine Jewell: 00:06:45

and all the bonuses that come with it, you know, according to the earth.

Christine Jewell: 00:06:49

So I think for me, that's where I've really landed with that is that I am

Christine Jewell: 00:06:55

living in accordance with, the, goals.

Christine Jewell: 00:06:58

Of heaven and i'm seeking first the things of the kingdom and that's

Christine Jewell: 00:07:02

love You know, we always say people are the currency of heaven, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:07:06

We walk on gold.

Christine Jewell: 00:07:07

They're like people is what god's concerned about you know, it's the fruits

Christine Jewell: 00:07:11

of the spirit Am I am I experiencing a life where there is love where

Christine Jewell: 00:07:14

there is peace where there is joy where there's understanding compassion

Christine Jewell: 00:07:18

grace like All of these things that I feel many of them are precious We're

Christine Jewell: 00:07:22

really absent from everything that the world system tells us we need to do.

Christine Jewell: 00:07:27

We do all these things to try to get to peace.

Christine Jewell: 00:07:29

We do all these things to try to get to love.

Christine Jewell: 00:07:31

We do all these things to try to get to what we've already been given.

Tim Winders: 00:07:36

I can't remember if it was, I was listening to a

Tim Winders: 00:07:39

couple of episodes of the podcast.

Tim Winders: 00:07:41

I think it's Breaking Change is the name of your podcast.

Tim Winders: 00:07:43

and I was drawn to the ones where you and Mark, were, I think he interviewed

Tim Winders: 00:07:47

you and then y'all were just having a conversation about something.

Tim Winders: 00:07:51

I heard one of you talk about stewardship.

Tim Winders: 00:07:54

So that's near and dear to my heart.

Tim Winders: 00:07:56

You just brought up a scripture, Matthew 6 33.

Tim Winders: 00:07:59

If I don't do life versus like some people, that would be it.

Tim Winders: 00:08:03

Cause I spent three years studying the kingdom of God, but it might've

Tim Winders: 00:08:08

been at the beginning of that chapter four that you referenced.

Tim Winders: 00:08:10

I think Matthew 6 24, which basically says you can't serve God It's set,

Tim Winders: 00:08:17

we use money, but it's really mammon.

Tim Winders: 00:08:19

It's basically, you can't have two masters.

Tim Winders: 00:08:21

You, you can't have two.

Tim Winders: 00:08:23

And the thing that I was fascinated, I think there's going to be a good

Tim Winders: 00:08:26

sort of lean into some of your story.

Tim Winders: 00:08:30

Most of us, even if we would call ourselves people of faith, if we are

Tim Winders: 00:08:37

people that are in, we'll call it the achievement category, I hear my

Tim Winders: 00:08:42

mother saying, don't get a big head.

Christine Jewell: 00:08:44

Get a big

Tim Winders: 00:08:45

I believe that what we're doing is we're chasing after

Tim Winders: 00:08:48

from Matthew 6, 33, the things, and then hoping we stumble upon the

Tim Winders: 00:08:51

kingdom and his righteousness, or we really are serving two masters.

Tim Winders: 00:08:56

And it sounds as if that's a lot of the journey.

Tim Winders: 00:09:02

That you, I don't know about your faith or you could tell us a little bit

Tim Winders: 00:09:05

about that from early on, but you've been chasing after a lot of stuff in

Tim Winders: 00:09:10

your life and you caught a lot of it.

Tim Winders: 00:09:12

Right?

Tim Winders: 00:09:12

So, let's back up and let's talk a little bit about that for someone who

Tim Winders: 00:09:16

doesn't know you, they haven't read the book, give a little bit of Christine,

Tim Winders: 00:09:23

the early years so that we could get a little bit of this background.

Tim Winders: 00:09:26

paradigm and understand why someone would lead towards needing to

Tim Winders: 00:09:32

drop the armor later in life.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:35

Yeah, of course.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:38

So I geek out on our origin story.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:41

You know, I just, God has done such a work in my heart around

Christine Jewell: 00:09:44

getting rid of the orphan spirit and feeling this sense of abandonment.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:48

And I think, you know, humanity as a whole.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:51

Gets to really, overcome this and address it, but that was very real for me.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:56

It was very real for my father.

Christine Jewell: 00:09:58

So it was a great, a generational pattern, a generational curse

Christine Jewell: 00:10:01

that also kept getting passed on.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:03

But I love to really dig into our origin stories, not to stay there, but to

Christine Jewell: 00:10:07

get an understanding, you know, What shaped us and how God's gonna use that

Christine Jewell: 00:10:11

for good for our lives, you know, it's all preparation But when we go back to

Christine Jewell: 00:10:15

my youth as I talk about in the book I kind of had this double life to be

Christine Jewell: 00:10:19

honest when I was growing up and it's not because my father was in The CIA so

Christine Jewell: 00:10:24

some people think oh you had a double life because your father worked at the

Christine Jewell: 00:10:27

CIA early on But it wasn't so much that.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:30

I mean, I grew up on Air Force, or I was born on Edwards Air Force

Christine Jewell: 00:10:32

Base, and then we moved to Europe, and we moved countries a lot.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:36

You know, my father was From the U S my mother was Italian.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:40

you know, they met overseas.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:42

He came from an upbringing of basically being abandoned as a child, living

Christine Jewell: 00:10:46

alone in the woods as a kid, getting drafted and getting pulled in to,

Christine Jewell: 00:10:51

the Navy and then later the CIA.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:53

So really operating as a lone wolf, his entire existence alone.

Christine Jewell: 00:10:59

And, you know, bringing that in.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:01

To our family dynamic.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:04

So when I grew up, I had this one side that was like this beautiful, rich life,

Christine Jewell: 00:11:08

full of culture, traveling the world, seeing all these different countries, like

Christine Jewell: 00:11:12

beautiful things, five star everything.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:15

And then on the other side, it was a really dark, Relationship with my

Christine Jewell: 00:11:19

father too, cause he was so lonely and he was so isolated and he was harboring

Christine Jewell: 00:11:24

so many things and he, he ended up getting into the grips of alcoholism.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:28

And so I was just always in this tension of, you know, on one side,

Christine Jewell: 00:11:33

everything's so beautiful and it looks great and shiny on the outside.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:36

And then on the other side, it's like the hand that hugs you is also

Christine Jewell: 00:11:39

the hand that hits you and throws you across the room and you never

Christine Jewell: 00:11:42

know what you're going to get.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:43

It was very chaotic.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:44

It was very volatile.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:45

It was very confusing.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:47

And so when I say I had these like double personas, right, you did,

Christine Jewell: 00:11:51

it was like, Oh, shiny over here.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:52

And then, Oh my God, crazy.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:53

And you're trying to control everything.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:55

And so that was really the program.

Christine Jewell: 00:11:57

So I learned early on that I needed to control the atmosphere, perform, fix

Christine Jewell: 00:12:02

everyone around me, you know, make sure that I could make, do all the things

Christine Jewell: 00:12:06

to get dad to be happy, to get dad to approve, to get dad to calm down.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:11

And that was the program.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:12

So I did it through athletics.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:14

I did it through, grades.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:16

I did it through just.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:17

Kick Button naves and whatever it was that I did.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:20

And really what I realized early on, it was a survival mechanism but it

Christine Jewell: 00:12:25

also became a program of how I received love, how I was able to control the

Christine Jewell: 00:12:29

atmosphere of the people around me.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:31

And, you know, that continued on in my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:33

So we ended up beginning that.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:35

Coming back to the U S you know, and settling there.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:39

By the time I was 17, you know, we lost everything.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:42

My father had, we were out of the, he was out of the CIA at the time.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:46

He had been working in the corporate space, climbing the corporate ladder.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:50

super, super successful.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:51

Again, we had beautiful things, beautiful livestock, gorgeous home, gorgeous boats,

Christine Jewell: 00:12:56

travel, all the things, beautiful wife.

Christine Jewell: 00:12:58

But by the time I was 17, it was all gone.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:00

Everything shattered, like we lost the house, everything

Christine Jewell: 00:13:03

was repossessed, bankruptcy.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:06

My father went MIA, literally went from being, you know, VP of a company

Christine Jewell: 00:13:11

to being homeless overnight and shortly after that in prison for

Christine Jewell: 00:13:15

a period of time and disappeared.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:17

And I was like, I remember just that moment of just, it felt like

Christine Jewell: 00:13:23

everything getting stripped from you.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:25

And I just had made a decision.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:27

Like I will never.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:28

Trust anyone.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:29

I will never trust a man.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:31

I will never depend on anyone.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:34

And if it's gonna be, it's up to me.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:35

And I'm never gonna be like my mother, cause she was just weak.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:38

And I'm never gonna be like my father and become an addict and

Christine Jewell: 00:13:41

an alcoholic and all these things.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:43

And so I just went in this relentless pursuit of fierce independence.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:49

But here's the thing, Tim, you know, I went on to build a businesses, successful

Christine Jewell: 00:13:53

businesses, to be honest, I'm so grateful.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:55

They kind of got him to be on my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:13:57

I always had favor in terms of financial success, but everything that I was

Christine Jewell: 00:14:01

building, I was creating from a fuel unconsciously of anger, of bitterness.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:07

of needing to prove myself, needing to be my own provider, my own

Christine Jewell: 00:14:11

protector, my own source of strength.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:13

And so I had a lot of drive, and that's where When I say that ultra high achiever,

Christine Jewell: 00:14:18

it's like an addiction to the next thing.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:22

You know, I competed in world championships.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:23

I pushed my body.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:24

I was training 25, 30 hours a week while running businesses, while raising kids.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:29

And, you know, I finally got to the point where I talk about it in the book is the

Christine Jewell: 00:14:34

perfect storm of everything just crashing.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:37

my body got to the place where it completely burnt out.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:40

The business became super stressed when my relationships were broken.

Christine Jewell: 00:14:45

And I was like, I could no longer hold it all together through my own strength.

Tim Winders: 00:14:50

from the book and there's more details for the, for the

Tim Winders: 00:14:52

listener that definitely wants more

Tim Winders: 00:14:57

But it's part of your journey.

Tim Winders: 00:14:58

It's part of why you are, you know, before we hit record, I told you a little bit

Tim Winders: 00:15:02

of my wife and I's journey, and some people would say, Oh my gosh, that's

Tim Winders: 00:15:06

horrible, but we are who we are today.

Tim Winders: 00:15:09

And I'm thankful for that.

Tim Winders: 00:15:10

I wouldn't wish it on anyone, but I'm thankful that we went through that.

Tim Winders: 00:15:15

First question, in that, answer that you just gave, you brought up your father who

Tim Winders: 00:15:23

had an addiction to alcohol along the way.

Tim Winders: 00:15:26

I don't know if that was all his life or just came to be.

Tim Winders: 00:15:30

there's a follow up question related to the CIA thing.

Tim Winders: 00:15:32

I'm going to ask it a little while.

Tim Winders: 00:15:35

then towards the end of that, you mentioned that you had an addiction

Tim Winders: 00:15:39

to, I term it achievement, but let's just say we've worded it here on

Tim Winders: 00:15:44

many episodes and addiction to more.

Tim Winders: 00:15:46

Okay.

Tim Winders: 00:15:47

That's what I realized I was addicted to was one business is good.

Tim Winders: 00:15:53

Two is better.

Tim Winders: 00:15:54

Three is better, better compare the addictions, compare the addiction

Tim Winders: 00:16:03

that you observed with your father.

Tim Winders: 00:16:05

Alcohol, a substance with the addiction that you had, which the world system

Tim Winders: 00:16:10

says, that's a good addiction.

Tim Winders: 00:16:13

Good job.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:14

a good

Christine Jewell: 00:16:14

addiction.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:15

That's

Christine Jewell: 00:16:15

motivation.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:17

That's the ambition.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:18

Right.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:19

And I want to say that, and that's why I said an addictive thing.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:22

spirit.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:23

And, you know, my father has struggled with the addiction to

Christine Jewell: 00:16:26

alcohol, substance abuse, women, sex, pornography, a lot of things that I got.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:32

I got so judgmental and it's easy to point a finger at someone

Christine Jewell: 00:16:35

when it's something like that.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:37

but really, and this is why.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:39

I am deviating for a second.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:41

This is why I don't really believe in addressing the thing that

Christine Jewell: 00:16:44

people are struggling with, like the alcohol itself or the, the

Christine Jewell: 00:16:48

sex, because it's not about that.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:49

It's, there's something way beyond deep within that is a void that is empty.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:55

That is just so thirsty and hungry.

Christine Jewell: 00:16:58

Seeking some kind of love, some kind of affection, some kind of approval,

Christine Jewell: 00:17:02

some kind of, you know, security.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:05

And so the thing becomes the substitute for the real thing, which

Christine Jewell: 00:17:09

is God, you know, and so my father's.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:12

Addiction to alcohol and to women was really when we looked back It was

Christine Jewell: 00:17:16

like really the place where he felt safety and he felt belonging, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:17:21

It was like that's where I feel wanted.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:23

I feel like a man again.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:24

I feel like more of myself and I get peace Because that's

Christine Jewell: 00:17:28

really what alcohol does, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:17:29

It gives us relief.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:30

It's temporary relief.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:31

And actually, Tim, I know you coach and I coach and I have to be honest

Christine Jewell: 00:17:34

sometimes when I ask people, I'm like, do you actually want healing

Christine Jewell: 00:17:38

or do you want temporary relief?

Christine Jewell: 00:17:39

Cause there's a lot of people that come in and really what you want is

Christine Jewell: 00:17:42

a pacifier so you can feel better in a moment, but you really don't

Christine Jewell: 00:17:46

want to excavate what's going on.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:48

What really needs the medicine, you know?

Christine Jewell: 00:17:51

And So, even though on the outside, the addiction looks different,

Christine Jewell: 00:17:56

it's still the same desperate cry.

Christine Jewell: 00:17:59

For worthiness, for being seen, for being heard, for feeling, you know, affirmed.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:04

really all of our addictive tendencies is just us going to something as the source.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:11

to fill the void.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:12

And so the question is really like, what's the void?

Christine Jewell: 00:18:14

You know, for me, it was the void of feeling seen, of feeling worthy, like

Christine Jewell: 00:18:19

needing that affection and that love of the father, the approval, right, of man,

Christine Jewell: 00:18:25

which we know can only come from God.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:27

But do we ever try to get it everywhere else?

Christine Jewell: 00:18:29

You know, whether we're aware of it or not.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:32

And so a huge body of my work, and that's why the podcast

Christine Jewell: 00:18:35

also is called Breaking Chains.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:38

A lot of my work was healing the wounding that causes the addiction, you

Christine Jewell: 00:18:43

know, the original wounds, collective wounds, but also the wounds in our

Christine Jewell: 00:18:48

family that just kept getting passed on.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:52

Right.

Christine Jewell: 00:18:52

And if we don't heal them, we just pass on to our children and

Christine Jewell: 00:18:56

they get to have, you know, the opportunity to heal those generational

Tim Winders: 00:19:01

You know, one follow up just about the CIA, your CIA dad, we went to

Tim Winders: 00:19:07

church years ago, right when we first got married, we've been married 35 years.

Tim Winders: 00:19:11

And there was a gentleman that we knew in the small group together that was

Tim Winders: 00:19:16

with a three letter agency for the state.

Tim Winders: 00:19:19

And literally we would be gathering doing a get together and he

Tim Winders: 00:19:23

would get a call and just leave.

Tim Winders: 00:19:27

Couldn't tell his wife where he was going, no family and all that kind of stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:19:30

And in my mind, maybe it's because I'm such a sharer, I was thinking

Tim Winders: 00:19:37

to myself, what it would be like to have an occupation That I

Tim Winders: 00:19:42

had to keep totally bottled up.

Tim Winders: 00:19:45

And I know a lot of people have these, it's not just the three letter

Tim Winders: 00:19:47

agencies, but I do wonder when I hear about people like your dad, and I

Tim Winders: 00:19:53

think there's probably a good portion of you that came from his personality

Tim Winders: 00:19:58

and you're a, you're outgoing and vivacious and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:20:01

I'm wondering if there was a good bit of him, he kept bottle up.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:05

Yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:20:05

if you've ever.

Tim Winders: 00:20:06

Put any thought, and I know we don't analyze people that may

Tim Winders: 00:20:09

not be around to be analyzed anymore, but any thoughts on that?

Tim Winders: 00:20:12

Because he really did have to live a life that he couldn't share, I guess.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:19

I've thought about that so often.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:21

And in that really one, and I want to say too, when, when I started to learn

Christine Jewell: 00:20:26

and the Holy spirit was so gracious in drawing me into my season of

Christine Jewell: 00:20:30

humility and compassion, and I really changed my heart towards my father.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:35

One of the things that he began to show me and reveal to me was all

Christine Jewell: 00:20:39

of the stuff that my father had been suppressing and repressing and

Christine Jewell: 00:20:44

holding in and not being able to talk about and not being able to share.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:47

You know, not only from his work because I have no idea, but also from all

Christine Jewell: 00:20:51

those years of, just being alone as a child, fatherless, all of the things.

Christine Jewell: 00:20:57

And so again to anyone listening, it's like, you know, We all do this.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:02

We all just swallow things.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:05

We put on our masks, our armor, we get out there.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:09

who taught us how to share our hearts in healthy ways, to, have healthy

Christine Jewell: 00:21:14

dialogue inside of our relationships without being terrified of what

Christine Jewell: 00:21:17

someone else is going to think.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:19

I mean, thank God now we have podcasts and tools and trainings,

Christine Jewell: 00:21:23

but, you didn't talk about feelings.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:25

You didn't talk about most things.

Christine Jewell: 00:21:27

And then to have all that stacking, I think for sure

Tim Winders: 00:21:29

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:21:29

our world was smaller for those of us that grew up in those times,

Tim Winders: 00:21:34

some things were good about that.

Tim Winders: 00:21:36

Probably some things, were not one of the thing I was going to ask maybe about

Tim Winders: 00:21:42

Christine, the early years, obviously you're a powerful woman of faith.

Tim Winders: 00:21:48

Now, from reading the book and all that has you wired now, but was your

Tim Winders: 00:21:55

family a family of some degree of faith?

Tim Winders: 00:21:58

Was there something there?

Tim Winders: 00:22:01

And then, when did you start recognizing you were moving towards what we

Tim Winders: 00:22:08

mentioned earlier, Matthew 6, 24, you were attempting to serve one, not two

Tim Winders: 00:22:13

masters So Faith in your family, yes, no.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:18

Yeah, let's talk about that.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:19

So when I lived in Italy, actually, I lived in that area outside

Christine Jewell: 00:22:23

of the Pope's summer residence.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:25

So I have a picture of me, you know, when I was in Rome, Italy,

Christine Jewell: 00:22:28

most everyone's Catholic there.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:30

So not knocking Catholicism, but we went to Latin mass.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:33

I had no clue what was happening.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:34

And so even though there was a lot of religion.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:39

There was no relationship.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:40

It was a lot of ritualistic, and I could talk for days about that.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:45

When we came to the U.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:46

S., my mom moved out of the, you know, Catholicism and then we started

Christine Jewell: 00:22:52

attending a local Christian church.

Christine Jewell: 00:22:54

And I think that was just a time of hardship where she was just really

Christine Jewell: 00:22:57

seeking, you know, solace and comfort.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:00

And there was just so much chaos happening at home.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:03

So, you know, I got involved in a youth group, in.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:05

high school and I got saved in high school and we went to youth group camps.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:09

We went on missionary trips.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:10

We did bible studies like this was not foreign to me and here's the thing we

Christine Jewell: 00:23:16

didn't talk about my divorce but I was married for 10 years and in the midst of

Christine Jewell: 00:23:20

all my chasing of the things of the world if you would have come to me and said

Christine Jewell: 00:23:24

do you know Jesus I would have said yes if you would have said are you saved I

Christine Jewell: 00:23:27

would have said yes I'm going to heaven if I die tomorrow I know where I'm going.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:31

But I was not living according to the King.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:33

And everything in my life was world, except for on a Sunday or a Bible study.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:39

And then we're like, yes, you know, we love Jesus.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:41

And I prayed and my ex husband and I even taught a Bible study.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:45

And here's the thing.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:47

It wasn't real.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:48

I did not have intimacy with the Holy Spirit.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:51

I just could not bridge the gap between this great book of life.

Christine Jewell: 00:23:56

Like I, I just did not have my heart cracked open to.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:00

And I think it was because I was not I had not entered into intimacy with

Christine Jewell: 00:24:05

Jesus And so I wanted to share this because here's what happened I believe

Christine Jewell: 00:24:10

that we so many of us are walking it and we say I am a man of faith.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:15

I am a woman of faith I'm saved.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:17

I've been saved my whole life.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:18

We go to church.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:18

We're good people.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:19

We give to the church We tithe the thing is that it's wired in us

Christine Jewell: 00:24:23

to have a supernatural experience

Christine Jewell: 00:24:30

And I believe as humans, we are craving like it's just in us to crave intimacy

Christine Jewell: 00:24:34

and to crave this, the supernatural, not paranormal experience because God

Christine Jewell: 00:24:38

is really, he's alive, he's active.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:40

And so what happened Tim, to be quite honest, after I was

Christine Jewell: 00:24:43

divorced, I was like, this is, If it's going to be, it's up to me.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:48

So I bought into the golden calf of the entrepreneurial world.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:52

And I started really just sure.

Christine Jewell: 00:24:55

I did the church thing over here, but I was craving the spirit so much.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:00

So what happened is for years, I actually got pulled complete.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:03

I was like the lost sheep.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:04

I went totally the opposite direction and not intentionally, but I started

Christine Jewell: 00:25:08

opening spiritual doors to more new age things, you know, like that

Christine Jewell: 00:25:12

seemed innocent enough and I had a holistic health and performance studio.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:15

So we were teaching.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:17

Things that are holistic in nature, but you also start opening spiritual doors

Christine Jewell: 00:25:21

before you knew it I was like introducing plant medicine into my life and all kinds

Christine Jewell: 00:25:25

of different things and the Lord allowed me Thank God his hand of protection was

Christine Jewell: 00:25:30

on me But he allowed me to go into this world that was very spiritually active

Christine Jewell: 00:25:35

very spiritually alive And I felt a lot of power and not all of it was from God

Christine Jewell: 00:25:40

It was actually the opposite, but I began to have these Supernatural experiences.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:45

And finally it got to the point where I became so confused, so disoriented.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:50

And I was in my family room in Canada where I lived at the time.

Christine Jewell: 00:25:54

And I remember I had my encounter with Jesus where I felt his hand literally come

Christine Jewell: 00:25:59

into the room with me and like, pull me out of this pit and say, are you done?

Christine Jewell: 00:26:06

Are you ready for me to be enough?

Christine Jewell: 00:26:09

And he said that's enough and it was so like I just got goosebumps

Christine Jewell: 00:26:14

again because it was so real It was like I could I could see his hand.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:18

I could feel his hand pulling me out And I ended up he said no more.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:23

So I ended up burning so many books not that they were bad

Christine Jewell: 00:26:27

They weren't witchcraft books.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:27

A lot of them were just secular books, but I had been putting so much faith

Christine Jewell: 00:26:31

Into business books and what this person said and what that person said and he

Christine Jewell: 00:26:35

said I want you to go through a season Of getting to know me, of getting to know my

Christine Jewell: 00:26:39

heart, my voice of like intimacy with me.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:42

And I've called that like, that's really when my love affair with Jesus began.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:47

And that was when I start to really feel his presence in my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:51

I had like the kingdom became alive, more alive than the earthly things.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:57

And that was a season where.

Christine Jewell: 00:26:59

Everything that I had talked about externally for so many years, I

Christine Jewell: 00:27:03

actually began to see it and breathe it.

Christine Jewell: 00:27:05

And he was walking me through how to move that into every area of my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:27:09

And he worked it out, Tim, in my parenting, in my finances, in

Christine Jewell: 00:27:15

the way I was like every area.

Christine Jewell: 00:27:17

He's like, okay, we're going to go in here and I'm going to show you

Christine Jewell: 00:27:21

how it's done in a way that glorifies

Tim Winders: 00:27:23

So what did that do?

Tim Winders: 00:27:24

You mentioned earlier, and I actually wrote down a couple of pages here on

Tim Winders: 00:27:27

page 51, you talk about you were addicted to push, and I think you even named one

Tim Winders: 00:27:32

of your studios, something about push.

Tim Winders: 00:27:35

And then I went back on page 21, you said you're addicted at times to the

Tim Winders: 00:27:39

struggle and the fight, which this is actually something I want to bring

Tim Winders: 00:27:43

up about the book in a little while.

Tim Winders: 00:27:46

but it was talking about addictions earlier and, you know, we've got

Tim Winders: 00:27:49

this mantra, no pain, no gain.

Tim Winders: 00:27:51

In fact, the resort we're in right now, there is a sign in the gym here.

Tim Winders: 00:27:56

I don't really do the gym much anymore.

Tim Winders: 00:27:57

I play pickleball and do a couple of pushups.

Tim Winders: 00:28:00

You gym people, y'all can have fun at the gyms, but there's

Tim Winders: 00:28:02

a sign says no pain, no gain.

Tim Winders: 00:28:04

So I'm sitting there and I'm looking at it and I'm getting to the place where

Tim Winders: 00:28:07

I don't agree with that anymore, where it's like, I don't know that I like.

Tim Winders: 00:28:12

That mindset because it feeds some things that you and I are talking about here.

Tim Winders: 00:28:17

But the the thing I want to ask is and I love you sharing what you just shared

Tim Winders: 00:28:23

because Your faith became real and it became yours In that instance in that

Tim Winders: 00:28:31

moment, and I believe what a lot of us do that call ourselves people of faith

Tim Winders: 00:28:36

And we'll go ahead and say it's really about jesus, but we've got this jesus plus

Tim Winders: 00:28:40

thing going Yeah, we believe jesus But I also am into crystals or I'm, you know,

Christine Jewell: 00:28:51

horoscopes, hero cards,

Tim Winders: 00:28:54

whatever, or,

Tim Winders: 00:28:55

or it could be the gym.

Tim Winders: 00:28:56

You know, a lot of people are addicted to the gym or fitness or their

Tim Winders: 00:28:59

looks or something that isn't Jesus.

Tim Winders: 00:29:04

And that is the root.

Tim Winders: 00:29:06

And there was something that I read Oh, page 313, I have a note here is where you

Tim Winders: 00:29:11

went through a process of surrendering.

Tim Winders: 00:29:16

And when I see someone talk about surrender, I don't know

Tim Winders: 00:29:18

if it was around that time.

Tim Winders: 00:29:19

If it is, you can say something about it.

Tim Winders: 00:29:21

But I think that what we do, and there's a word you brought up earlier is trust.

Tim Winders: 00:29:26

when we don't really trust, we have a desire to control.

Tim Winders: 00:29:32

And you can't surrender when you're attempting to control

Tim Winders: 00:29:36

everything around you.

Tim Winders: 00:29:36

So talk, I don't even, I don't even have a question here, but just

Tim Winders: 00:29:42

take what I've said and keep going

Christine Jewell: 00:29:47

Yeah, you know, it's so true.

Christine Jewell: 00:29:49

Cause we hear these terms like, just let it go, put it down, you know, come

Christine Jewell: 00:29:54

to me, all of you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Christine Jewell: 00:29:57

And you know, my yoke is easy.

Christine Jewell: 00:29:59

My burden is light.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:01

And we take those things so lightly.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:04

But it's a totally different thing to really go, gosh, everything that

Christine Jewell: 00:30:10

I'm holding on to white knuckled.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:12

Like there's a prayer, Tim, that I love to do.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:15

And again, it came to me in this season of really, I had a season of revelation after

Christine Jewell: 00:30:19

revelation where the Lord was just taking me through all these different things.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:23

And I would have my arms up and he was like, give me everything that you are

Christine Jewell: 00:30:28

white knuckling in your life right now.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:29

Like, you know, those things that you were just like, Somebody has to like

Christine Jewell: 00:30:32

pry your fingers and maybe it's where the next cash flow is going to come in.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:36

Maybe it's whatever, what your in laws are doing, what you're worried

Christine Jewell: 00:30:39

about your kids, but like we're still trying so hard to hold on, you know,

Christine Jewell: 00:30:43

and it's like, open your hands, give it to me, like really give it to me.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:49

When I was saying, earlier about, he took me through a process with

Christine Jewell: 00:30:53

my kids, with my business, with my finances, he kind of took me through

Christine Jewell: 00:30:56

that process in every area of my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:30:58

It's like, what are you holding on to even with your children?

Christine Jewell: 00:31:02

And I had some things really going on with one of my oldest, Children and

Christine Jewell: 00:31:06

I kept trying to save her and I kept trying to fix her and I kept trying to

Christine Jewell: 00:31:09

talk to her And everything I was doing was just not working And finally it was

Christine Jewell: 00:31:13

like he said put her on the altar Like it was my abraham and isaac moment like

Christine Jewell: 00:31:17

really, you know, and I I was in a prayer.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:20

I was visualizing I said, okay.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:21

I finally said Father, she is your daughter first, you know, and this

Christine Jewell: 00:31:26

is my season of intimacy and I'm still very intimate with the Lord.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:29

What I mean by is like, you are her father.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:31

You are my spiritual husband.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:32

Also I'm calling on you to step in and do what only you can do in her heart.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:38

Like take her, you know her better than I do.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:40

You know everything about her past or future, you know, everything

Christine Jewell: 00:31:43

she's worried about, scared about.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:45

I'm going to release her fully to you and trust you.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:50

And I'm speaking to the women out there right now because I see a lot of women.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:55

We don't trust our husbands.

Christine Jewell: 00:31:57

We don't trust the men in our lives and it's A lot of it is linked to our

Christine Jewell: 00:32:02

relationship with the father, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:32:04

How we do this and men too, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:32:06

When it's like, can I learn to trust?

Christine Jewell: 00:32:09

And maybe there's some things healing that gets to happen with

Christine Jewell: 00:32:11

the father, they're the physical father and the spiritual father.

Christine Jewell: 00:32:15

But it, that season of surrender was really laying everything down on the

Christine Jewell: 00:32:19

altar, releasing everything I was holding white knuckled onto and really

Christine Jewell: 00:32:24

remembering, like I can have the greatest vision, I have the greatest

Christine Jewell: 00:32:27

plans, but am I open to yielding?

Christine Jewell: 00:32:30

This is really important Is that the spirit is always talking, you know,

Christine Jewell: 00:32:35

some people say I don't hear the holy spirit talk I'm, like is that because

Christine Jewell: 00:32:38

he's not talking It's because you ain't listening, you know, and I think it

Christine Jewell: 00:32:43

was bill johnson who said, you know The ability to hear god's voice is directly

Christine Jewell: 00:32:48

correlated to our desire To actually hear what he has to say about the situation

Christine Jewell: 00:32:54

not what we want him To say about the situation So being able to open my

Christine Jewell: 00:33:00

eyes and my heart and I had to pray for this by the way This was not something

Christine Jewell: 00:33:03

that came easy because I was like I am resisting you hardcore I need you.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:08

I am praying For you to soften my heart to give me the desire to trust you I

Christine Jewell: 00:33:15

had to pray for that right and then when I did I would hear his voice You

Christine Jewell: 00:33:19

And then he would whisper and then I would yield to what he was telling me.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:24

And then he meets us on the other side of obedience, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:33:27

And so what happens is, is I obeyed and I yielded my way to his way.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:32

And so all of a sudden I began to trust.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:34

His character more because I saw him showing up more because

Christine Jewell: 00:33:38

I was walking in obedience.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:40

And so it's like a muscle, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:33:41

The more I see him, the more I trust him.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:44

The more I see his character show up, the more I trust him.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:47

And it's this relationship.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:48

It's just no different in a marriage, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:33:50

Or any relationship.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:52

But a lot of us, I think we're like, well, I haven't, I don't trust the Lord.

Christine Jewell: 00:33:55

And I have to ask the question, when was the last time you moved in faith and.

Christine Jewell: 00:34:03

Sometimes when you ask that question, it's like crickets and I'm like, well, are you

Christine Jewell: 00:34:08

surprised you don't trust you always went the obvious, like I'm on the other side

Christine Jewell: 00:34:12

of this door and we're like, okay, see ya.

Christine Jewell: 00:34:14

But I'm going to go this way.

Christine Jewell: 00:34:16

So,

Tim Winders: 00:34:16

or people, they just, they're for me, it's, I

Tim Winders: 00:34:21

have to be still and quiet often.

Tim Winders: 00:34:28

And everything about my life, I don't know, I'm actually getting

Tim Winders: 00:34:32

pretty good at being still and quiet, but it's taken 60 years.

Tim Winders: 00:34:35

You know what I mean?

Tim Winders: 00:34:36

it's been a long process.

Tim Winders: 00:34:38

There was a period of time where our children were probably older than yours.

Tim Winders: 00:34:42

Ours are in their thirties now.

Tim Winders: 00:34:44

this was in the formative years late teens, twenties, where we were

Tim Winders: 00:34:48

praying for some things for our kids.

Tim Winders: 00:34:50

we were casting out decreeing doing, all the mumbo jumbo stuff

Tim Winders: 00:34:53

that sometimes we do with prayer.

Tim Winders: 00:34:55

And I was spending some quiet time with the Lord and I feel very confident.

Tim Winders: 00:35:00

He told me, and I shared this with my wife and fortunately she took it well.

Tim Winders: 00:35:04

That the Lord said, stop.

Tim Winders: 00:35:06

Praying for your children.

Tim Winders: 00:35:10

I've got them.

Tim Winders: 00:35:11

Y'all's prayers are powerful and y'all are praying against me.

Christine Jewell: 00:35:17

He's like, I'm doing

Tim Winders: 00:35:18

was,

Tim Winders: 00:35:19

yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:35:19

And you know what?

Tim Winders: 00:35:20

Shortly after we just, and I'm not, this is not like a formula.

Tim Winders: 00:35:23

Stop praying for your children.

Tim Winders: 00:35:24

That's not what Tim is saying here.

Tim Winders: 00:35:27

The Lord told me and my wife, Glory to stop praying for our children.

Tim Winders: 00:35:31

When we did, there was something really miraculous that happened within days.

Tim Winders: 00:35:36

the thing about it is with this trust and control.

Tim Winders: 00:35:41

And I guess a question that I've got at 17, I heard you say it was almost

Tim Winders: 00:35:49

like a Scarlett O'Hara moment as God is my witness, I'll never blank.

Tim Winders: 00:35:54

I'll never be poor again or whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:35:55

And so you spent a lot of years with that kind of mantra.

Tim Winders: 00:36:02

How hard is it?

Tim Winders: 00:36:05

And what are some practical things?

Tim Winders: 00:36:07

I know you've got them in the book.

Tim Winders: 00:36:08

We're going to, I'm going to ask for a couple of them here.

Tim Winders: 00:36:13

And what are, what are some practices that you have,

Tim Winders: 00:36:16

Christine, that kind of keep you?

Tim Winders: 00:36:20

In that trust submission, not trying to control everything type mode, because

Tim Winders: 00:36:27

once you do and get results, it is many times you're talking about addictions

Tim Winders: 00:36:31

and things that are hard to change.

Tim Winders: 00:36:33

It's hard to change that.

Tim Winders: 00:36:35

So

Tim Winders: 00:36:37

tell us how to do that.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:40

Yeah.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:40

Have we arrived?

Christine Jewell: 00:36:41

The answer is never.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:43

You know, we're always being refined.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:45

We're always growing in intimacy.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:47

We're always being renewed every single day.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:50

And I'm always so grateful when I get new revelation or new insight.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:54

And I also know, wow, like there's so much more to that, that he

Christine Jewell: 00:36:58

wants to show me in the right time.

Christine Jewell: 00:36:59

And so I'm just going to say, God, I had to do a lot of work.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:04

On my life or in the area of relationship, you know, I came from a broken marriage.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:08

I came from a lot of abandonment and rejection.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:11

And again, I think we all have our own stories, but because he's

Christine Jewell: 00:37:15

a relational God, and I think he really, it's about the relationship.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:20

And so I want to use, when we talk about what are the practices, I really

Christine Jewell: 00:37:25

believe it's about If you were had an wanted to have an amazing intimate

Christine Jewell: 00:37:30

relationship with your spouse, I'm not just talking about physical intimacy.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:32

I'm talking about where you were just on the same page.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:35

It's like you can just sense each other.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:37

You know where each other's moving and thinking like, that's not just like,

Christine Jewell: 00:37:41

okay, we had our annual get together or a weekly thing and we hung out.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:45

We went on a date now.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:47

Boom.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:47

See you next week.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:48

It's like all day, every day.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:50

You guys are just, you know, top of the day, middle of the day.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:53

There's touch points.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:54

there's just a rhythm to your relationship.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:58

and so it is with the Lord.

Christine Jewell: 00:37:59

You know, I love when Jesus says pray without ceasing,

Christine Jewell: 00:38:02

like pray over everything.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:03

All things pray all the time.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:05

Does that mean we need to literally be on our knees praying?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:07

No, I believe that's like, I'm in the conversation with you all day long.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:11

whether I'm in the shower, I'm driving, I'm worshiping.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:14

I'm just like, Lord, what do you see that I don't see?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:16

and I'm sharing my heart with you I want to talk about.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:19

protocols.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:20

I love, Colossians putting on the new self, getting up every morning.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:25

We have a renewed mind.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:27

We have a renewed spirit, but it's like clothe yourself every day.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:31

And so I think like we go to bed, we get undressed or whatever.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:35

And then every morning you're physically getting dressed,

Christine Jewell: 00:38:37

but you're also spiritually.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:39

Getting dressed and you know for me, that's obviously that

Christine Jewell: 00:38:42

morning time of intimacy.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:44

Yes, you know intimacy every day with the Lord I love to start my day.

Christine Jewell: 00:38:48

Sometimes I ask in bed or I do listening prayer, which is like Holy Spirit

Christine Jewell: 00:38:53

What would you have of me today?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:54

Where are you?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:55

what is the authorized work?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:57

What word do you have for me?

Christine Jewell: 00:38:59

sometimes he's giving me a Specific directive right out the gate and sometimes

Christine Jewell: 00:39:03

it's just that one word that he's speaking in to me And then as he speaks into

Christine Jewell: 00:39:07

me I'm like, tell me more about that.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:10

And that, tell me more.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:11

I've gone through seasons where that word is like, trust.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:13

Recently, Tim, it's like, I get up, Holy Spirit, what would you have?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:16

I mean, he's like, pray, pray, And as I'm like, okay, pray.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:20

And I start, you know, what does that mean?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:22

And I'm going in his word, like, tell me more.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:24

The mind, the word is the mind of God.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:26

I want to understand more of what do you mean by prayer?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:28

Intercede, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:30

Intercession is being able to hit the bullseye.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:32

I'm praying for focus.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:33

He's like, pray.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:35

Right?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:35

He's telling me to go intercede.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:36

I'm praying for focus.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:37

The word intercession means to hit the mark.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:40

So it's just so funny that if we kind of dig a little, just as in a relationship,

Christine Jewell: 00:39:46

it's like, what do you mean by that?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:48

Tell me more, like, help me understand more.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:50

He just keeps speaking more into us.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:52

Right?

Christine Jewell: 00:39:53

And so I love to ask him questions and bring things on my heart,

Christine Jewell: 00:39:58

early in the day and just.

Christine Jewell: 00:39:59

Continue to digest on that and I do believe, you know, like having those

Christine Jewell: 00:40:03

practices to really get in the word

Christine Jewell: 00:40:09

Because again going back to what we were talking about.

Christine Jewell: 00:40:12

I did Bible studies Look, I went to like a three hour Bible study every week.

Christine Jewell: 00:40:15

I taught a Bible study We were at a church that was very heavy on Bible studies,

Christine Jewell: 00:40:21

but it was so cerebral We were looking at this, the, the, you know, this as like

Christine Jewell: 00:40:28

a textbook and we were dissecting it and arguing over Theology and what this meant

Christine Jewell: 00:40:32

and what that meant instead of opening it up like it's a breath from God You

Christine Jewell: 00:40:37

know, like it's I always look at this as my father's journal, you know And he

Christine Jewell: 00:40:41

like left me his journal of every single thought every piece of advice everything

Christine Jewell: 00:40:45

that he wants me to do I'm like, do I get in there read my dad's journal?

Christine Jewell: 00:40:50

Like And read it, trying to get to his heart.

Christine Jewell: 00:40:53

And so, I mean, I could go on and on, but I think those are some powerful things

Christine Jewell: 00:40:57

that if I go at the top of the day and I start my day and end my day with this,

Christine Jewell: 00:41:02

with that posture of heart, it just helps keep me In the right path, you

Tim Winders: 00:41:08

That's so good.

Tim Winders: 00:41:09

And I, you know, we, my wife and I spent a few years at a Bible college,

Tim Winders: 00:41:14

it was sort of a Dickens tale.

Tim Winders: 00:41:16

It was the best of times.

Tim Winders: 00:41:17

It was the worst of times, if you know what I'm saying, because so

Tim Winders: 00:41:21

many people know all about God.

Tim Winders: 00:41:24

They know scriptures.

Tim Winders: 00:41:25

They can spout and quote, you know, all this type stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:41:30

But there wasn't the fruit of the spirit, which to me, the fruit is

Tim Winders: 00:41:34

what spills over from knowing God.

Tim Winders: 00:41:36

And you, you brought it up earlier.

Tim Winders: 00:41:38

It was in my quiet time this morning.

Tim Winders: 00:41:40

I was journaling and I was talking to the Lord about some of my projects

Tim Winders: 00:41:43

and I was listing out all, I work with leaders and leaders of organizations

Tim Winders: 00:41:48

and I was listing out clients and praying for them and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:41:51

And I was asking him if he had any instructions and all that.

Tim Winders: 00:41:54

And he, his response was.

Tim Winders: 00:41:57

Oh, that's good.

Tim Winders: 00:41:58

Thanks for turning it over to me and letting me help you

Tim Winders: 00:42:01

says, but it's about the heart.

Tim Winders: 00:42:03

It's about your heart.

Tim Winders: 00:42:05

You know, he said, you're, you know, the world system is transactional.

Tim Winders: 00:42:09

The kingdom of God is heart love relationships like you brought up.

Tim Winders: 00:42:14

So that's powerful.

Tim Winders: 00:42:16

When I am shifting a little bit here.

Tim Winders: 00:42:18

So when I.

Tim Winders: 00:42:20

First got your book and and I do want to say cool cover.

Tim Winders: 00:42:24

I love the emerald green on the Especially on the back here.

Tim Winders: 00:42:27

Look at the emerald green.

Tim Winders: 00:42:29

So I'm going to bring this up and you could respond.

Tim Winders: 00:42:33

My first thought, maybe it was my paradigm was, Oh, this is someone

Tim Winders: 00:42:38

who's been a fighter all their life.

Tim Winders: 00:42:40

And now they're realizing they don't have to fight.

Tim Winders: 00:42:44

I don't think that's entirely correct, but I actually do think that a lot

Tim Winders: 00:42:50

has changed with you related to that.

Tim Winders: 00:42:52

If I'm reading in correctly, there is still a fight, but.

Tim Winders: 00:42:58

Maybe we're not supposed to be fighting it the same way.

Tim Winders: 00:43:00

Give me a Just respond to what I said there.

Tim Winders: 00:43:04

Does that do you know what I mean?

Christine Jewell: 00:43:05

a hundred percent and here's the thing The book was already

Christine Jewell: 00:43:08

written because I had been journaling through that whole wilderness season

Christine Jewell: 00:43:11

that the lord was taking me through and I'd Written like 18 journals like every

Christine Jewell: 00:43:16

day i'm writing and I remember You What the Lord was teaching me to do was how

Christine Jewell: 00:43:20

to fight different, how to get clear on what I was fighting for, how to upgrade

Christine Jewell: 00:43:25

my arsenal, my, my tools in my toolbox, my weapons in my arsenal, which weren't

Christine Jewell: 00:43:29

gonna be my words to cut people down or, right, or, or judge or whatever, like

Christine Jewell: 00:43:34

all the things, everything, like from the power of my words, to how I was using

Christine Jewell: 00:43:40

scripture, to how I was using spiritual sight, like he was helping me redefine

Christine Jewell: 00:43:45

all of that, and he was teaching me how to fight different, How to fight both

Christine Jewell: 00:43:49

in the physical and in the spiritual, but from totally different fuel, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:43:52

Not from the fuel of anger, wanting to push away and control

Christine Jewell: 00:43:56

things, but really from the heart.

Christine Jewell: 00:43:59

And so I wanted to call the book fight different.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:02

But then when I, that was really the whole point.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:05

I'm like, we got to learn to fight different.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:06

Cause I'm a warrior.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:08

Like the Lord has made me a warrior.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:10

Like I'm a warrior queen.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:13

through and through, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:44:14

Like I love to fight in the spiritual.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:16

And especially now the times that we're in, I think we really got to

Christine Jewell: 00:44:20

get this, but how I fight and what I fight over and what the fight

Christine Jewell: 00:44:26

looks like is radically different.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:28

The publisher said, no, nobody's going to want to buy a book called fight

Christine Jewell: 00:44:31

different cause nobody wants to fight.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:33

And so we went with one of the chapters, which was drop the armor.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:36

But in order to go from fighting, you know, a warrior of the world.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:40

fights for significance, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:44:44

Fights, fights for their security.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:46

They fight for love and affection.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:48

They fight, they think they're fighting for justice.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:50

There's a lot of people right now in the world thinking they're

Christine Jewell: 00:44:53

fighting for justice, but just adding to the collective chaos.

Christine Jewell: 00:44:57

When we're able to go, okay, What are we?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:00

A warrior of the heart, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:02

And I say the heart because the heart is the gateway to the soul.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:04

And even though the heart, he who has your heart has your soul, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:09

So like, what are the things that your heart is devoted to?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:12

Well, my heart is fully devoted to the Lord.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:15

Going back to you cannot serve God and Mammon, you know, you have to pick one.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:20

You can't be in a love affair with both.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:22

God doesn't share.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:23

He's a jealous God.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:24

He's like an all in.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:25

He's like, you're all in or not.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:27

I don't share, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:29

My heart is all in for him.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:32

The fight's different, you know, because he gives me a

Christine Jewell: 00:45:34

heavenly view of the battlefield.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:37

And, when it's time to go in, when it's time to move, when it's time to

Christine Jewell: 00:45:41

pray in the spirit, when it's time to move physically, when it's time

Christine Jewell: 00:45:44

to change a business strategy, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:45:46

It's, it's just like the strategies are different because they're heavenly

Christine Jewell: 00:45:50

strategies versus earthly strategies.

Christine Jewell: 00:45:53

We still got to do tactical, but we have to have different site.

Tim Winders: 00:45:56

So, you know one thing that's cool about that.

Tim Winders: 00:45:58

This is my observation I'll bring this up and then you could respond

Tim Winders: 00:46:03

I My identity leading into 08 was I'm good at business, pretty bright.

Tim Winders: 00:46:12

I mean, probably then I would have said I was really bright, high achiever,

Tim Winders: 00:46:16

I might've called myself an ultra achiever, ultra high achiever too.

Tim Winders: 00:46:19

And, you know, all of those things, and I had a lot of talents and

Tim Winders: 00:46:24

skills and all that kind of stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:46:27

Then I went through a surrender process, we'll call it, and what's

Tim Winders: 00:46:32

interesting is I've observed the more I surrender, the techniques, the tactics,

Tim Winders: 00:46:39

some of the things that I knew way back when, they still exist and they

Tim Winders: 00:46:44

still work, but they work differently now that my heart is softening.

Tim Winders: 00:46:52

And every once in a while, I'll try to slip back into, I mean, I'm at a stage

Tim Winders: 00:46:56

now where I work three days a week.

Tim Winders: 00:46:58

I don't schedule anything before noon.

Tim Winders: 00:47:01

Well, I'm doing this at 11 AM, but nothing before 11 AM.

Tim Winders: 00:47:05

I'm just trying to operate a different pace.

Tim Winders: 00:47:07

And the more I do that, Christine, the more I noticed my heart softening, my

Tim Winders: 00:47:12

results are going through the roof.

Tim Winders: 00:47:15

Like they never did when I was doing.

Tim Winders: 00:47:20

I mean, is that what you're seeing?

Tim Winders: 00:47:22

I mean, what are you seeing?

Tim Winders: 00:47:23

Cause you, you, you

Christine Jewell: 00:47:24

All right.

Christine Jewell: 00:47:25

I'm right there

Tim Winders: 00:47:26

you and I probably, cause you did masterminds, you sound like

Tim Winders: 00:47:29

you were a conference and mastermind.

Tim Winders: 00:47:31

I don't want to say junkie, but some of us, we, we got involved with all

Tim Winders: 00:47:35

that stuff and I loved it and some of that money I spent on all that stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:47:40

I loved it, but what I found was I was really feeding those addictions

Tim Winders: 00:47:44

to more that we talked about earlier.

Tim Winders: 00:47:47

And I'm not against any of that, but I mean, I just needed to soften my heart.

Tim Winders: 00:47:50

And now some of the results are just off the charts and

Tim Winders: 00:47:55

I'm going, huh, interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:47:57

What are you, what are your thoughts on that?

Christine Jewell: 00:48:02

I love that you say that because I think that that is the

Christine Jewell: 00:48:06

secret fear of, again, I work with a lot of men and women who are also leaders,

Christine Jewell: 00:48:12

CEO and things that they like, they really, you guys are, you're saved.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:17

You love Jesus, but the drive, the fuel behind is fear.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:21

It's still everything world.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:22

It's like the race against time.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:24

I don't trust time.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:25

I'm going to run out of time.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:27

It's still like, Oh my gosh, the economy, like we're still having this

Christine Jewell: 00:48:30

language about what's happening in the economy and what's happening externally.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:34

And we forget like, okay, when the Lord told Pharaoh, I'm

Christine Jewell: 00:48:37

going to bring 10 plagues.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:38

Remember the Israelites?

Christine Jewell: 00:48:39

They were like in the same place, but they were on touch, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:48:42

The Hebrews, like the, the things of the external.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:45

Did not fall on them because they were protected, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:48:48

They were the God's people.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:50

So we can be in the midst of all of this worldly stuff and we operate.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:56

We operate by a different playbook.

Christine Jewell: 00:48:59

We operate by different rules to the system, and so the world system is like,

Christine Jewell: 00:49:03

you gotta get up top of the day, you gotta bust your butt, work 16 hours,

Christine Jewell: 00:49:07

the more you do, the more you get.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:09

If you actually study biblical principles, this is what we gotta get in the Word.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:14

And I love how Jesus says, I am the way.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:17

Not just the way to the father, the way to eternal life, but I take that

Christine Jewell: 00:49:21

literally when he says, I'm the way.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:22

I'm like, I'm gonna study his leadership.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:25

I'm gonna study how he worked.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:27

Was he in a rush?

Christine Jewell: 00:49:28

Well, I never once heard that he was rushing even from place to place.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:32

He sat down, he had fellowship, he rested.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:37

He would have days of deep work and it would be from morning to night.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:40

And then he would have days of going off by himself and be in solitude.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:44

And then he would have a lot of time invested with his core.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:48

You know, there was a 70, but then there was the 12 and then there was the three.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:52

And he really was about relationship and he did not.

Christine Jewell: 00:49:56

Think, well, this person is not worth my time because she's just

Christine Jewell: 00:49:59

a woman at the well, and she's had five husbands and there's nothing

Christine Jewell: 00:50:02

she can do to advance my kingdom.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:04

But he stopped and he did what the father told him to do.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:08

And he was not in a rush.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:09

And I'm like, all right, he's the way.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:11

So Jesus, if you did it that way, I'm doing it that way.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:15

And I just remember there was a moment where I just said,

Christine Jewell: 00:50:18

Lord, effective immediately.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:19

Like I refuse to make decisions from pressure.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:23

I refuse to operate from chaos.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:26

So if I refuse to overschedule myself, because I know if

Christine Jewell: 00:50:30

I'm, Operating from pressure.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:33

It's not from him.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:34

So I might get the result, but it's going to create more pressure in my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:37

when I work with CEOs or business leaders and they're like feeling this

Christine Jewell: 00:50:41

financial crunch and they're like, Christine, I gotta take the debt.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:44

I gotta take the debt.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:45

I gotta do the thing.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:46

I gotta hire this person.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:48

And it's so not biblical.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:49

It's not scriptural.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:51

And they're like, but I want to do this God's way.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:52

And they're straddling two worlds and they're like doing

Christine Jewell: 00:50:55

the splits in the Grand Canyon.

Christine Jewell: 00:50:57

And they're going, why do I feel so torn apart?

Christine Jewell: 00:50:59

Where's God?

Christine Jewell: 00:50:59

And I'm like, he's waiting for you to stop being divided and decide

Christine Jewell: 00:51:03

which camp you're going to be in.

Christine Jewell: 00:51:05

So he can show up, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:51:07

So faith is moving in the unseen, not the same, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:51:11

So it's just in these moments.

Christine Jewell: 00:51:15

Yeah, being able to just say, Lord, like, what is your way?

Christine Jewell: 00:51:18

And it's going to be different than the world's way.

Christine Jewell: 00:51:22

And that's why, you know, one of the prerequisites I tell people when

Christine Jewell: 00:51:25

they work with me, I said, have you exhausted all other worldly options?

Christine Jewell: 00:51:28

Are you ready to get to work in the spiritual and to do

Christine Jewell: 00:51:32

things radically different than everyone else around you is?

Christine Jewell: 00:51:34

And if you're like that's a real question.

Tim Winders: 00:51:38

Yeah, Christine, you are so speaking my language and words you're

Tim Winders: 00:51:43

using are so baked into all that we've been on in our journey for so long.

Tim Winders: 00:51:52

The last word in the reading the subtitle of your book is unlocking

Tim Winders: 00:51:59

extraordinary life and To me, this is scriptural, but I'm just going

Tim Winders: 00:52:06

to kind of maybe use this as sort of my last question and maybe one more.

Tim Winders: 00:52:11

You brought it up.

Tim Winders: 00:52:12

You brought chaos up.

Tim Winders: 00:52:13

You've used the word chaos, I think maybe two or three times.

Tim Winders: 00:52:16

And to me, extraordinary life is the opposite of chaos, which is peace, which

Tim Winders: 00:52:21

Jesus says, my peace, I bring to you.

Tim Winders: 00:52:23

That's the kingdom of God.

Tim Winders: 00:52:24

The kingdom of God operates the attitude and mindset of

Tim Winders: 00:52:28

the kingdom of God is Peace.

Tim Winders: 00:52:30

It's not anxiety.

Tim Winders: 00:52:31

It's not deadlines.

Tim Winders: 00:52:32

It's not hustle culture.

Tim Winders: 00:52:34

It's not scheduling yourself to the nth degree.

Tim Winders: 00:52:37

It's quiet time.

Tim Winders: 00:52:38

It's listening.

Tim Winders: 00:52:40

It's all these things, which is the opposite of the way some

Tim Winders: 00:52:45

of us are wired to succeed.

Tim Winders: 00:52:47

So we have to work hard at it.

Tim Winders: 00:52:49

You've already talked about that.

Tim Winders: 00:52:50

There's a lot of resources in the book, but what I'd love for

Tim Winders: 00:52:53

you to talk about is the contrast in your life now versus before.

Tim Winders: 00:53:02

and I'd love for you to do it using the words you've already used chaos and peace.

Tim Winders: 00:53:09

I know you've got a lot going on.

Tim Winders: 00:53:10

You've launched a book, you and Mark, y'all have a lot of stuff happening.

Tim Winders: 00:53:15

However, I know.

Tim Winders: 00:53:19

Y'all are not massively booked, I'm guessing, but just give whatever you

Tim Winders: 00:53:24

want to talk about peace versus chaos.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:27

Let's talk about that.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:28

What was normalized in my life before?

Christine Jewell: 00:53:31

And I always talk about, you know, again, what world will we operate by?

Christine Jewell: 00:53:35

What world will we be ruled by and what will be normalized in our life?

Christine Jewell: 00:53:39

What was normalized for me before?

Christine Jewell: 00:53:41

And I think it's just normal.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:43

And it's not normal according to God's design, but it's normal in the world was

Christine Jewell: 00:53:47

to be riddled with anxiety almost all day long, very much living in the future.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:52

You know, I'd wake up anxious.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:53

Like I would wake up.

Christine Jewell: 00:53:56

nervous system buzzing, needing to run and check the bank account, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:54:00

Like how much money, how many sales hit overnight, but like waking up

Christine Jewell: 00:54:04

with my nervous system, just like that unable to really sleep peacefully, you

Christine Jewell: 00:54:10

know, just restlessness and my sleep.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:13

Chaos inside of my home.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:15

I mean, I grew up in a chaotic household.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:17

There was a lot of drama.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:18

There was a lot of chaos.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:19

There was a lot of screaming and disrespect.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:21

And you know, we just repeated it.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:24

So the home was also chaotic.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:25

And I remember Tim, I used to say, yeah, I just like to operate best under pressure.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:30

I operate best with my backs against the wall and I have

Christine Jewell: 00:54:34

organized chaos in my life.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:36

Like I used to say this, but really that was A distortion, okay?

Christine Jewell: 00:54:40

Because what I was always needing was to be in a pressure cooker in

Christine Jewell: 00:54:45

order to be motivated or inspired to, you know, do something.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:49

And so the feel was that, what was normal was very dysfunctional

Christine Jewell: 00:54:53

relationships, to be honest.

Christine Jewell: 00:54:54

Disconnection in my intimate relationships, misalignment, always

Christine Jewell: 00:54:59

feeling Just like I wasn't doing enough and I want to say What's normal today

Christine Jewell: 00:55:06

and I could just share this like a hundred percent is like, you know God

Christine Jewell: 00:55:10

God has blessed me with an amazing man an amazing marriage that is completely

Christine Jewell: 00:55:14

aligned and we are completely dedicated to the kingdom We actually just got

Christine Jewell: 00:55:18

back from a month long holiday in Italy.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:20

We were there for the whole month of July And it was beautiful

Christine Jewell: 00:55:24

because we got to be fully present.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:26

We got to be with each other.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:27

God just brought some amazing people into our lives that he

Christine Jewell: 00:55:30

wanted us to minister and pray for.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:31

And it was just such a time of rejuvenation.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:33

I've just finished a

Christine Jewell: 00:55:34

book, which I, like somebody said, you wrote a great book.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:38

I said, I had a great author, the coauthor, like I, I'm

Christine Jewell: 00:55:41

operating in partnership.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:43

And so.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:44

Even everything from writing this book before the book, I thought I

Christine Jewell: 00:55:47

was going to write when I was just all high performance coach and, you

Christine Jewell: 00:55:50

know, holistic health facilities and stuff was very different from the book

Christine Jewell: 00:55:54

that I wrote with the Holy Spirit.

Christine Jewell: 00:55:56

So today I operate in partnership and, what is normal.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:00

For me is really being rested through the nights waking up rested I sleep well and

Christine Jewell: 00:56:06

people will say what time do you wake up?

Christine Jewell: 00:56:07

You know, you're a high performance athlete Like what time do you wake

Christine Jewell: 00:56:10

up and i'm like I wake up when i'm done sleeping, you know when my

Christine Jewell: 00:56:13

body is rested And same as you I don't Take calls early in the day.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:19

I'm really like protective over that time and space.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:22

And so it's a totally different world.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:24

Everything about my world is different.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:26

And I just want to say this also right now, my husband and

Christine Jewell: 00:56:29

I are in the process of merging.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:31

Our two businesses into one and when we get things right like we start to get

Christine Jewell: 00:56:37

things back in the right order God starts to multiply Things in our life that we

Christine Jewell: 00:56:42

didn't even know were there to multiply, It's like new businesses are birth new

Christine Jewell: 00:56:46

ideas new things and so i'm not saying it's all easy But there is a level of

Christine Jewell: 00:56:51

peace that wasn't there before and i'm certainly you know, I have big dreams.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:55

I have big visions.

Christine Jewell: 00:56:56

I have god shaped visions, but I know i'm not alone this time, We

Christine Jewell: 00:56:59

know if he gave us the vision, he's going to give the provision.

Tim Winders: 00:57:04

That's exciting.

Tim Winders: 00:57:04

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:57:05

I mean, we live in a chaotic world.

Tim Winders: 00:57:06

That's, you know, but we're, you know, our passports are stamped with

Tim Winders: 00:57:09

the kingdom of God, but yet we're still sort of visiting this world.

Tim Winders: 00:57:13

So there's chaos there.

Tim Winders: 00:57:15

Christine, tell people where to go get the book.

Tim Winders: 00:57:19

I think you've got some resources if they get it from you.

Tim Winders: 00:57:22

I've got your website pulled up here.

Tim Winders: 00:57:24

Tell us about the book, drop the armor.

Tim Winders: 00:57:27

give us some info, even though we've been talking about it the whole time.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:30

Yeah.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:31

Drop the armor is, an amazing journey.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:33

it's really broken down into the three parts to help you to really

Christine Jewell: 00:57:36

release the past, ignite your faith, to like really deepen and strengthen

Christine Jewell: 00:57:40

your faith and trust in that.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:42

And then the third piece is to really step into your mission.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:45

You're calling your identity and the season that God is calling you into.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:48

So it is a playbook.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:50

It's a journey, but there's, Questions on every chapter at the end of the

Christine Jewell: 00:57:54

chapter that I think are really powerful.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:55

There's exercises and tools.

Christine Jewell: 00:57:57

So you can go to drop the armor book.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:00

com that's drop the armor book.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:02

com.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:03

If you buy it, you can get it directly from us there as well.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:06

And when you do, we automatically unlock 200 in bonuses.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:10

There's a fillable PDF journal companion workbook that goes with it.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:14

There's a, Masterclass that I did on upgraded battle strategies in times

Christine Jewell: 00:58:18

of chaos, which we are in them now So really cultivating discernment in

Christine Jewell: 00:58:22

times such as this and there's just a great bundle that goes with that.

Christine Jewell: 00:58:26

So, You just really can't beat it, you know, for the 25 bucks or 30 bucks,

Christine Jewell: 00:58:31

35, whatever the hardcover is, there's so much packed in there for you.

Tim Winders: 00:58:35

Yeah, definitely.

Tim Winders: 00:58:35

Make sure to check that out.

Tim Winders: 00:58:36

We'll put the links down in all of our places so people can get to that.

Tim Winders: 00:58:41

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

Tim Winders: 00:58:42

It was a great read for me.

Tim Winders: 00:58:44

I enjoyed learning more about you and Mark listening to the

Tim Winders: 00:58:47

podcast over at breaking change.

Tim Winders: 00:58:49

So Christine, we are seek, go create those three words.

Tim Winders: 00:58:53

If I were to force or allow you to choose one word over the other two.

Tim Winders: 00:58:58

Which one would you choose and why?

Tim Winders: 00:59:00

That's my last question.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:03

I think, just the word seek is really just, you know,

Christine Jewell: 00:59:07

it's hitting me because we hear it all the time, but it's so true.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:10

Like what we are seeking is seeking us, what we are seeking is available to us.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:15

And we think we need to go out and get it.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:18

But I think that the seeking is really about just being there.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:20

opening my eyes to see what's already here, right?

Christine Jewell: 00:59:24

And seeking from the right posture, the right place.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:29

Because when I do that, it's like, boom.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:31

Then I get the ping, the directive to go, to move.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:35

And then the creation becomes way more fun because it's a partnership, you

Christine Jewell: 00:59:41

know, we're creating with the creator.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:42

So it's just like the seeking is, is so, so true, you know, and

Christine Jewell: 00:59:48

seek to understand, seek to double check the posture of your heart.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:52

Right.

Christine Jewell: 00:59:53

Really just seek clarity, seek wisdom, seek insight, seek the

Christine Jewell: 00:59:58

things of the kingdom and all things will be added unto you, right?

Tim Winders: 01:00:02

The Lord reminded me this morning that He gave

Tim Winders: 01:00:04

me those words in that order.

Tim Winders: 01:00:06

Me, specifically for a reason.

Tim Winders: 01:00:09

That when I seek, then I will know more where to go and what to create.

Tim Winders: 01:00:15

So, Christine Jewell, thank you so much.

Tim Winders: 01:00:18

Chai.

Tim Winders: 01:00:19

Chai.

Tim Winders: 01:00:20

I knew I would enjoy this conversation.

Tim Winders: 01:00:22

I enjoyed it more than I thought I would enjoy it.

Tim Winders: 01:00:26

Make sure, let me hold up a copy of the book here.

Tim Winders: 01:00:29

drop the armor.

Tim Winders: 01:00:29

Cool.

Tim Winders: 01:00:30

You, do you have a, do you really have a sword and a sword

Christine Jewell: 01:00:34

I really have that sword.

Christine Jewell: 01:00:35

It's hanging in my office.

Tim Winders: 01:00:36

that might scare

Christine Jewell: 01:00:37

my husband and I both have the

Christine Jewell: 01:00:38

sword.

Tim Winders: 01:00:39

might intimidate me.

Tim Winders: 01:00:40

So thank you for, thank you for being a guest.

Tim Winders: 01:00:43

Go check out over on Breaking Chains or podcasts, get a copy of the book,

Tim Winders: 01:00:47

take advantage of all the resources and the bonuses that she mentioned.

Tim Winders: 01:00:51

We are SeatGoCreate.

Tim Winders: 01:00:52

I appreciate everyone listening in here.

Tim Winders: 01:00:53

We've got new episodes.

Tim Winders: 01:00:55

Every Monday we're on YouTube, all the podcast channels.

Tim Winders: 01:00:59

make sure you continue listening, subscribing, sharing all of those

Tim Winders: 01:01:02

cool things until next time continue being all that you were created to be.