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Integrating Faith and Work: Unlocking the Power of Working Biblically with Kevin Brownlee

Do you ever feel like there's a separation between your faith and your work? Like there are rules and expectations that prevent you from bringing your spirituality into the workplace? In this episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Kevin Brownlee, a man who believes that integrating faith and work is not only possible but essential for a fulfilling and purpose-driven career. From encountering tough guys on construction sites to praying for colleagues, Kevin shares his experiences and teachings on how to bring glory to God in every aspect of our lives. Get ready to be inspired and challenged to rethink the way you approach your job. Tune in now to find out why "Your Glorious Endeavor" begins where work meets faith.

""Be a beacon of hope in your workplace. Let your actions and attitude draw people to ask about your faith." - Kevin Brownlee

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About Our Guest:

Kevin Brownlee is a seasoned Christian with nearly 58 years of faith experience. Throughout his career as an oil-field welder and construction superintendent, he has witnessed the challenges and joys of integrating spirituality into the workplace. Kevin firmly believes that there should be no separation between faith and work, and that by living according to biblical principles, one can bring hope, grace, and peace to any job. Drawing on his own experiences and teachings, Kevin now helps others integrate their faith into their work through his podcast, books, seminars, and RV-related services. With a passion for bringing glory to God in all aspects of life, Kevin empowers individuals to find purpose and fulfillment in their careers while making a meaningful impact on others.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Gain insight into integrating faith and work: This episode explores the challenges and misconceptions people face in bringing their faith into their work environments. Hear firsthand from Kevin Brownlee about the importance of integrating spirituality and work for a stronger and more enjoyable work experience.

2. Discover how to make your job a ministry: Kevin Brownlee shares his personal journey of transforming his perspective on work, from feeling trapped and burned out to seeing his job as an opportunity to serve and minister to others. Learn practical tips on how to make your own job a ministry for Christ.

3. Find inspiration to pursue your passions: Hear Kevin Brownlee's story of realizing his passion for working on RVs and how that led him to find joy and fulfillment in his work. Be encouraged to explore your own passions and align your work with God's purpose for your life.

4. Learn biblical principles for success in work: This episode delves into the biblical teachings of work and offers practical advice on how to bring glory to God in your daily tasks. Discover how to work biblically, have a great attitude, and make a positive impact in your workplace.

5. Gain access to valuable resources and seminars: Kevin Brownlee provides a wealth of resources, including his book "Your Glorious Endeavor" and his BlueJeans Christian podcast. Additionally, he offers seminars and teachings on integrating faith and work, discovering your mission, and discerning God's purpose in your business endeavors. Don't miss out on the opportunity to learn from Kevin's valuable insights and guidance.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

Resources mentioned in the episode:

Kevin Brownlee's website where you can find resources, seminars, and information about his book. (bluejeanschristian.com)

Action steps based on the episode:

1. Integrate faith and work: Strive to break down the separation between spirituality and work by living according to biblical principles in the workplace. Seek opportunities to demonstrate grace, peace, joy, and hope, which can draw others to ask about your faith.

2. Find your purpose: Reflect on how your work aligns with your gifts, passions, and what God has wired you to do. Consider how you can use your talents to bring glory to God, whether it be through serving others, teaching, writing, or other creative avenues.

3. Support pastors and ministers: Recognize the importance of supporting pastors and ministers who may often feel overwhelmed or isolated. Consider offering your services, such as filling in for them to give them time off to recharge and connect with their families. Take the initiative to assist and uplift those in full-time ministry.

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Key Lessons:

1. Integrate Faith and Work: Kevin Brownlee highlights the importance of bridging the gap between spirituality and work. By living according to biblical principles and demonstrating grace, joy, and hope in our workplaces, we can be beacons of light and draw others to ask about our faith.

2. The Power of Bringing God into Work: Kevin shares examples of how he has experienced God's provision and seen positive outcomes when he had the courage to pray for his colleagues in tough work environments. He encourages listeners to bring their faith into all aspects of their work, trusting in the power of prayer.

3. Purpose and Fulfillment: Kevin's journey showcases the importance of finding and pursuing the work we are wired to do. Through exploring his passion for working on RVs, Kevin discovered joy, fulfillment, and a deep sense of purpose. This serves as a reminder to listeners to discern their calling and pursue it wholeheartedly.

4. Work as a Ministry: Kevin emphasizes that our work can be a ministry for Christ. By being the best at our jobs, having great attitudes, and working hard, we can positively impact those around us. Kevin also shares how he supports pastors by giving them time off and helping smaller churches thrive.

5. Bringing Glory to God: Kevin's book, "Your Glorious Endeavor," offers practical steps to bring glory to God in all areas of life, including work. By using our talents and abilities to serve others and make a positive impact, we can worship God acceptably and lead lives that are pleasing to Him.

Episode Highlights:

03:03 Repair, inspect, and maintain RVs; support pastors; assist Christians in the workforce.

04:35 Teaching biblical living, selling businesses, podcast.

09:51 Redefining success, spiritual journey, tough times.

11:42 Solidifying God's purpose through challenging experiences.

17:38 Maximizing my potential for God's purpose.

21:45 Workshop banter contrasts with supportive Christian mentorship.

25:25 Work-life balance challenges for people of faith.

26:33 Separation between spiritual and secular in life.

31:18 World void of hope, beacons of hope.

34:47 Travel, teach, seminars, God, pursue purpose

38:56 Specific prayers get answered specifically by God.

41:11 Skinny jeans, company, preaching, no ego, work.

44:53 Raise request, trusting in God for provision.

49:07 Change focus, find mission, serve with excitement.

50:32 Religious school emphasizes full-time ministry, disregards marketplace.

55:51 Ways to glorify God through scripture and worship.

57:27 Bookmark with scripture, prayer, faith, integrity, love. Connect with Kevin for resources and seminars.

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Kevin Brownlee:

That would mean being the best that we can at our job and

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have a great attitude, great work ethic, show up on time, work hard, have a

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joy about us that the Bible says we're to have and have this peace about us

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In the hustle of life's demands, finding a sacred intersection

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where faith work and daily living harmonize can be a profound challenge.

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Today on Seek Go Create, we're joined by Kevin Brownlee, a man who not

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only has discovered this crossroads.

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But also teaches others to thrive in it.

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As a certified RV inspector and technician, interim pastor, and the voice

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behind the BlueJean Christian podcast, Kevin brings a wealth of experience from

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the oil fills of Wyoming to the boardrooms of Montana Steel Industries with over

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150 podcast episodes under his belt.

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Kevin's insights resonate with hardworking Christians seeking to glorify

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God in every aspect of their lives.

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And I've gotta say, Kevin is a buddy of mine.

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We've known each other for years, and when y'all heard certified RV

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inspector, you probably, I probably know, I know him intimately.

Tim Winders:

Kevin, welcome to Seek, go Create.

Kevin Brownlee:

Oh, thank you, Tim.

Kevin Brownlee:

What a pleasure to be on your show.

Kevin Brownlee:

You're just an awesome guy and I love listening to your show.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then when I see you in person, it's I've known you, I've seen you,

Kevin Brownlee:

I've been with you for a while,

Tim Winders:

We have, we've kinda wintered together for how many years now?

Tim Winders:

Down here in southern Utah.

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Three, four.

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is my sixth, but I think it's probably four that you and I have.

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So

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Four.

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Yeah.

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We skipped a year and I actually think our first winter you were here

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and I was here, but it was so cold.

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I never left my RV or something like that.

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I don't know.

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you didn't have anything break at that point?

Tim Winders:

no.

Tim Winders:

Kevin's the guy that you call.

Tim Winders:

He's, he's Ghostbusters man.

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Who are you gonna call?

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In fact, even yesterday we were working on a project, but we do not

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want to get into that right now.

Tim Winders:

Kevin, let's do a pretend here and we bump into each other somewhere,

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or somebody runs into you out, you do mountain biking and your interim

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pasture, all these kind of things.

Tim Winders:

But if someone asks you what you do, what do you typically tell people?

Kevin Brownlee:

I start with the short version and see how it goes.

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I say I love to help people.

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I help people, and I do that on five different fronts.

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If I can use the term fronts and they're intentional, I have matured enough to

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know that, be Christ representative here on Earth, you have to be

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intentional because it's not easy.

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So you have to be intentional.

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So probably the first one is we've already chatted.

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I love to help people fix their RV because RVs can be frustrating,

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but they're supposed to be fun.

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So I keep them fun, not frustrating.

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I teach camper college.

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I repair them.

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I do inspections to make sure that the RV they get is ready to go with

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as little problems as possible until they drive down some of our roads.

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And then some things happen because, you know, Harveys go through the

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equivalent of a seven magnitude earthquake going down the road.

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So things happen right?

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That if we can keep up on maintenance and just have knowledge, which I try

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and teach them the knowledge, then the RVs can be fun, not frustrating.

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The second is I like to help pastors, especially on pastors of smaller churches

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to get some time off because a lot of times these church pastors, they just

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don't have anybody that they trust to take over the pulpit for a couple

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weeks while they get some time off.

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So I provide that too.

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I help pastors, the third thing is I help Christians in the workforce improve their

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job working the way the Bible teaches.

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And the Bible does teach us how to work, and that work is a blessing from God.

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And a lot of times when I say that people are like, oh.

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Work is a blessing from God.

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And yes, and I do teach them that.

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So that, that's really fun.

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I love to do that.

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I put on a seminar, I travel around the country and put on a seminar

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at churches about how to improve your job and work biblically.

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So I help them improve their job and actually make their job, their ministry

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for Christ, which is really cool.

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the fourth thing that I like to do is to help Christians glorify God at work

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and at home, my book, your Glorious Endeavor, but also through the Blue

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Jeans Christian website and podcast, teaching people how to work biblically

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and live biblically because that, as I have found over the years, is the

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best way to live is to live Biblically.

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And the fifth is to help business owners prepare their business to sell,

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So I do that through Agora Consulting.

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And because they are who I hired to help me sell my steel fabrication business

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and the process, faith-based process was so incredible and so fulfilling

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and making sure that my business was handed down or handed over to

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somebody who was going to keep going.

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The same things that I developed and had the same values that I had.

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So getting that all ironed out and what those are and down on paper and

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then look for somebody to purchase it that matches up with those, ensures

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that the business will keep going.

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What I worked so hard for 31 years to create and develop.

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So those are the five things I love to help

Tim Winders:

What's interesting about the five things there, Kevin, is I'm

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sitting here thinking as you're saying it, and I knew, I think I knew all of that,

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but to hear you say it, it got my mind swirling around and the thing that was

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swirling was what ties them all together.

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Because if, if I were to come, like if you and I were to bump into each other, and I

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did ask you that question, what do you do?

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I'm pretty confident you, in fact, I know you didn't, when I first met you,

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you didn't say all of those things.

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There's gotta be something that you have that kind of urges or nudges

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you to go one direction or the other.

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Can you talk more about that?

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what is it that, if not being introduced on a podcast, but if you really

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bump into someone, what's usually the first thing that you bring up?

Kevin Brownlee:

Probably the RV repair technician that I say I own BJC rv.

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And usually they'll say, what does BJC stand for?

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And and sometimes they may know my last name, which starts

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with AB, but that's not it.

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It's blue jeans, Christian, and I try and run my business the way the Bible says,

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and hopefully that comes out in how I work on RVs and how I interact with the people.

Tim Winders:

for anybody who's watching the video, they see you've

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got a shirt that says, BJC RV and if they see your truck, which, you

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know, we had it parked outside R RV for, about half the day yesterday.

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It's got that RV repair.

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And I even asked you, I think, is that just a lead gen for you?

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You know, is that kinda a lot of people come into your funnel and

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into your realm, it seems like.

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I.

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Through the RV repair.

Tim Winders:

you really get to touch a lot of lives just with that

Kevin Brownlee:

it's amazing.

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Yeah, because most people will ask what it stands for, and when

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I say blue jeans Christian, I try and run my business biblically.

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You'll generally get two responses.

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One of them is.

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That's kind of cool.

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While you're here, could you take a look at my water heater?

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It seems to be acting up or it opens up a wonderful conversation and those are

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what makes life fun, those conversations.

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And it's really cool because you see, I've been a Christian for almost 58 years.

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I was saved at a young age, grew up in a Christian home, and I've been through

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some of the roughest, toughest jobs that, that this country has to offer.

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An oil field welder, construction superintendent, and owned a stu, a

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structural steel fabrication company.

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Some of the roughest guys in the world I've had to work with.

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But God has got me through all of those and have poured a lot into me.

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So at some point several years ago, I decided it's time to give God

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a return on his investment in me.

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Him an ROI, all he has poured into me, it's time to take those things

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and then help people with it.

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Maybe help people steer them towards Christ or toward the Christian lifestyle,

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because that's the only way to live.

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I am convinced of it.

Tim Winders:

The one thing I think I read that, that you had been.

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A Christian for as long as I was living.

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At what age were you at when you accepted Christ?

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What I mean two, like

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four , no, I was four.

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And I knew as a little kid because I went to a Baptist church and heard the

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hell fire preaching, I didn't wanna go to hell And so I knew at that little age

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that I needed ask Jesus into my heart.

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To not, to not go to hell.

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So I knew the basics.

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Jesus said of the kingdom of God is like these little children.

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You just gotta take all the clutter out and look at the basics of it.

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I did it for, and even my mom kept saying, he keeps asking how to be saved.

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And the pastor said that's because he knows and he wants to don't hold him back.

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Now over the years, I have doubted, was I too young?

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But I've come to the realization that as much grace as it takes to

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save some people out of a world of sin, horrible things, it's that same

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amount of grace has kept me, saved, kept me as a Christian since age four.

Tim Winders:

you know here that one of the things we discuss is

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what we call redefining success.

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And so we talk about journeys up and down along the way, and someone who's

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gone through a 58 year journey of, we'll call it your spiritual journey there,

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probably have, and especially if you work in situations like you did, you know,

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oil fields, construction managers, things like that would not necessarily be a soft

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Environment necessarily.

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so what are some times, just give a time or two here, and then what we'll do later

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is we'll go into the book and some of the things you're doing with your, your

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seminars and all to educate people on how to integrate work with their faiths.

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But what are some times, and, you know, we don't shy away from

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the tough conversations here.

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Is there some times along the way where you, I don't wanna say

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questioned or I don't even like the word backslid or anything like that.

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I don't think that's what we're talking about here, but anything that along

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the way that would have been, uh, challenges or force you to rethink things

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or redefine something along the way?

Kevin Brownlee:

I'm sure that we all do that because Christians are not perfect.

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We still sin.

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Some people think we are.

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Some people think that we're supposed to be, and the boy they sure point out

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when we mess up, but we are forgiven.

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And that's what's nice is Jesus forgave us our past sins, the ones

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we're gonna do tomorrow, and the ones we're gonna do two years from now.

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But what we do is we have developed a new hatred for those kinds of things,

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and we don't wanna do them anymore.

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And that's why it's nice to repent.

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Even though Jesus took care of all the sins at one time on the

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cross, it's still nice to say.

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Sorry, God, I messed up last night.

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I'm so sorry.

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Can you please help me not to do that again?

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Things like that.

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Now, I'll tell you a couple things that have happened over the years that has

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really solidified God's purpose for me and solidified him as being real.

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I got so many things that I could say from not having enough money

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to pay payroll and praying it.

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And payroll comes out at 11:00 AM on Friday and Thursday's, mail

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didn't bring a check, then Friday at about 10:00 AM somebody walks

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in and said, sorry, I forgot to put this in the mail, answers like that.

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But a couple things I have been to the top of a drilling rig with a 40 mile

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an hour wind and 40 below zero trying to heat up a shiv with a rosebud tip in

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one hand and a 60 11 rod in the other hand to be able to get a weld done.

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Think of that 40 below zero, 40 mile an hour wind.

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That's one extreme.

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That takes a tough guy, right?

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I've also been 110 degrees laying in a pit of oil trying to weld something with

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the sweat pouring in your eyes, which makes it hard to see 'cause it stings.

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That takes a tough guy.

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But yet, when I have been out on a job site or in the shop, and I can give

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you, lemme try and give you one specific example 'cause I love specifics there.

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I like to pay attention to the guys out in the shop and how they're doing.

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And this one guy, probably one of the roughest guys you would ever meet.

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I mean, just the look and the lifestyle and the way he talks.

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You know what I mean?

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One of the roughest guys.

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And one time I walked out there and I said, you just don't seem right today,

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Joe You just don't seem right today, Joe.

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What's going on?

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He said, oh man, all this complaining and throw whatever.

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And as tough as I am, and as tough as it was on the top of that drilling rig, and

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as tough as it was laying in that oil, it takes an even tougher guy to say, man, is

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there something I can pray for you about?

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picture those kind of guys in your mind to say, is there

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something I can pray for you about?

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But I can tell you that every single time I've mustered up the guts to say

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that it has always resulted in about the same, oh man, would you really like Joe

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for instance, he said, my wife left me last night and I hit her on the way out.

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Would you pray for me?

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Because I'm expecting the sheriff to come by any minute now, and I have.

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I have put my hand on his shoulder.

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I've given him a hug and I've prayed quietly in his ear right then and there,

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and I can tell you this because I know Joe, I talk to him about every month.

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Joe's a wonderful Christian Guy with a fantastic marriage and three

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kids because I had the guts to say, can I pray for you about that?

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I know he wasn't a Christian at the time.

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He was about as far away as you could get.

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Those are the kinds of things that make blue jeans Christian real, being

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a Christian in blue jeans on the job.

Tim Winders:

So what's fascinating to me, Kevin, is you bring up something

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that's a world that I am not familiar with, which is that world in, I know

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you guys are from Montana, the oil fields and just what would be a tough

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part of the country and anything.

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truthfully, most of my life I worked in offices.

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But when you talk about work, you're talking about work in all of those areas

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right now, you've got specific experience in those tough parts of the world.

Tim Winders:

but when we start talking about work, you're talking about all of it, correct.

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Absolutely.

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one Corinthians 10 31 says, in all you do bring glory to God in all you do.

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That doesn't mean just Sundays.

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That means Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday night.

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Do all that you do for the glory of God.

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So be his representative there.

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Can you imagine, would that guy, would Joe have become a Christian?

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maybe God would've had somebody else step in, but he gave me the

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privilege of leading him to the Lord.

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Oh, because I noticed that he was down.

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He wasn't himself at that time.

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That's that care and love for others that we get because the

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Holy Spirit comes to live in us.

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And what's the most important commandment To love God and to love others.

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Jesus said, how you do it.

Tim Winders:

So at some point along the way, Kevin, in, in all of your

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work environment and all that you were doing, you decided to start

Tim Winders:

sharing some things via podcasts, via books, via things like that.

Tim Winders:

Tell me a little bit more about that.

Tim Winders:

When did you decide to do that?

Tim Winders:

What was that process like for you?

Kevin Brownlee:

Probably when I was reading about Paul was getting mad at

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one of the one, one of the churches and said, you guys have been, you guys have

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been at church now for like 10 years.

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And by now you should be on meat and instead you're still on,

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milk toast, and at the time Paul wrote that he was, he had been a

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Christian for a little over 30 years.

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Well, at the time I read that I had been a Christian for over 40 years.

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So I thought, wow, if Paul, at a 30 year being a Christian, I'm

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not comparing myself to Paul, but I'm thinking at some point I need

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to be doing instead of receiving.

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We have to be before we do, and I'm sure I've got enough be in me going

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to church all these years, reading my Bible faithfully pretty much every

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morning, I've got enough in me that I should start doing something, giving

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God a return on his investment in me.

Kevin Brownlee:

When I thought that it really thought, how can I do this now?

Kevin Brownlee:

How can I be intentional about taking my Christian life to the next level

Kevin Brownlee:

about Jesus' representative here because here's something else I thought of.

Kevin Brownlee:

The moment we Christians die, we have a one-on-one with Jesus.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can call it the bema seed or whatever you wanna call it, but we're

Kevin Brownlee:

gonna have a one-on-one with Jesus sitting on a park bench by the, by

Kevin Brownlee:

a stream, by the calm waters Lake.

Kevin Brownlee:

Psalm 23 kind of a thing, right?

Kevin Brownlee:

Just me and Jesus are gonna have a conversation and he's gonna say to

Kevin Brownlee:

me, or he's gonna ask me, what did you do with that company I gave you?

Kevin Brownlee:

What did you do with that guy in the shop who was down that day and you knew it?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I put something in your heart to say, go over and talk to him.

Kevin Brownlee:

What did you do with these things that I gave you, or

Kevin Brownlee:

these opportunities I gave you?

Kevin Brownlee:

we may think we're getting to heaven with a resume full of stuff on it,

Kevin Brownlee:

and Jesus pulls out his resume and says, mine's a lot shorter than yours.

Kevin Brownlee:

Maybe the things that we're doing aren't things that aren't on Jesus's

Kevin Brownlee:

resume of ours, on his tally.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I wanna make sure that what I do are on his tally.

Kevin Brownlee:

So when I have that one-on-one with him, I get a hug from Jesus.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's, and he says, well done, good and faithful servant.

Kevin Brownlee:

I want that.

Kevin Brownlee:

I want him to say that.

Kevin Brownlee:

now is my opportunity to do that, to get that to work on that.

Tim Winders:

One thing that I love to think about is the people you

Tim Winders:

know in our culture and society, Kevin, we see, I don't know, we'll

Tim Winders:

call 'em flashy, the people that are up on stages and things like that.

Tim Winders:

Maybe the mega pastor preachers, teachers, things like that.

Tim Winders:

I actually believe, and you could respond to this, I actually believe

Tim Winders:

that there's gonna be some people that we have no idea who they are.

Tim Winders:

We don't know their names.

Tim Winders:

They went about things, their work, their day-to-Day, quietly

Tim Winders:

going about their business.

Tim Winders:

Ministering.

Tim Winders:

I think a lot of times about Gloria's grandmother because she was, she served,

Tim Winders:

we found out after she passed away, in fact, how many people she served along the

Tim Winders:

way without letting anybody know about it.

Tim Winders:

we're sitting here, we're on a podcast, so people are gonna hear it and all that.

Tim Winders:

So we're out there a little bit.

Tim Winders:

But I am, I think about, and I think it should encourage people, all of the

Tim Winders:

people that go about doing what you just mentioned quietly and behind the scenes,

Tim Winders:

I think that's one of the places that work intersects with people's faith, correct.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah, exactly.

Kevin Brownlee:

And the things that matter to the world don't really matter that much to us

Kevin Brownlee:

Christians, yes, we have to make money.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yes, we have to do the best we can to make as much as we can

Kevin Brownlee:

because the world runs wrong.

Kevin Brownlee:

Money and money is talked about a lot in the Bible and a lot of it positively.

Kevin Brownlee:

We have to make money to be able to pay our bills and to support the ministries

Kevin Brownlee:

and things that God cares about, but it's not the most important thing.

Kevin Brownlee:

I think that's what I mean by the things that are on my resume are not

Kevin Brownlee:

the things that are on Jesus' resume.

Kevin Brownlee:

So the things about, oh yes, I was the president of this corporation and I was

Kevin Brownlee:

the, and I did $10.6 million last year.

Kevin Brownlee:

That ain't gonna be on his resume, but the story about Joe is that's gonna be on his.

Kevin Brownlee:

So yeah, at some point we need to realize the things that

Kevin Brownlee:

are most important in life.

Kevin Brownlee:

And it almost always has to do with others.

Kevin Brownlee:

How are we interacting with others and do they see Jesus in me because

Kevin Brownlee:

maybe I am the only Jesus they see.

Kevin Brownlee:

The only Bible they see is how I act.

Kevin Brownlee:

I can hear the guys out in the shop, especially at break time,

Kevin Brownlee:

telling their stories of the night before and telling all their and

Kevin Brownlee:

the jokes and the four litter words.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then when I walk out in the shop.

Kevin Brownlee:

The language changes and it just reminded me that they know I'm a Christian and

Kevin Brownlee:

they also know that they can come to me when they have issues, if they have

Kevin Brownlee:

questions or if they have some troubles.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I can't tell you how many times that guys have come into my office

Kevin Brownlee:

and said, Kevin, you got a minute.

Kevin Brownlee:

And God actually taught me a lesson the hard way.

Kevin Brownlee:

but God smacked me to the ground one day by saying, Kevin, it's not

Kevin Brownlee:

about the job, it's about the people that I bring into your office.

Kevin Brownlee:

so in the structural steel fabrication business, we have bid days.

Kevin Brownlee:

It's a day when you submit your bid and the bid has to be in at a certain time.

Kevin Brownlee:

Usually it's two o'clock on a Thursday, that's when bids are due.

Kevin Brownlee:

So you're kind of frantically to get done with this bid to get it turned

Kevin Brownlee:

in so that hopefully you get the job.

Kevin Brownlee:

Okay.

Kevin Brownlee:

So most all of the work we do comes from being low bidder or at least the best bid.

Kevin Brownlee:

So there was a day and it was Thursday and it was about one o'clock, and I was

Kevin Brownlee:

frantically trying to get a bid done.

Kevin Brownlee:

I was typing and my computer is in a l-shaped.

Kevin Brownlee:

My office has an L-shaped desk, and my computer is in the corner

Kevin Brownlee:

and the behind me is the door.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I was trying to type up a bid, type up a bid, and phone's ringing and all of

Kevin Brownlee:

this, and I hear him knock on the door.

Kevin Brownlee:

Now my door's always open, but they always knock anyway,

Kevin Brownlee:

and it was a guy named Jimmy.

Kevin Brownlee:

And Jimmy says.

Kevin Brownlee:

Kevin, I'm, I was told I can talk to you about something, I've got

Kevin Brownlee:

something I'd like to talk to you about.

Kevin Brownlee:

And Jimmy hadn't been working for us for two weeks or so, so

Kevin Brownlee:

I didn't know him very well.

Kevin Brownlee:

But the guys in the shop had told him that he could come and talk to me.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I said, not now, Jimmy.

Kevin Brownlee:

Can't you say he got a job?

Kevin Brownlee:

I'm bidding.

Kevin Brownlee:

I'll come find you later.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I kept typing on the bed, typing on the bed, got the bed out, answered

Kevin Brownlee:

several phone calls, and about then about four 30 was when the guys would go home.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I'm like, oh shoot, I forgot to go.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I went out and I asked the foreman, where's Jimmy?

Kevin Brownlee:

And he said, didn't you talk to him?

Kevin Brownlee:

I said, no, I was busy getting a bid out.

Kevin Brownlee:

He said, he came back from talking to you, I thought, packed up his tools and left.

Kevin Brownlee:

I.

Kevin Brownlee:

Do you think he's gonna come back tomorrow?

Kevin Brownlee:

He said, I told him to call me in the morning, so let's see

Kevin Brownlee:

if he calls in the morning.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I thought about it that night and I had this very uneasy feeling,

Kevin Brownlee:

but the next morning I went straight into the shop foreman's office and

Kevin Brownlee:

I said, has Jimmy called in yet?

Kevin Brownlee:

And he and the shop foreman went.

Kevin Brownlee:

You didn't hear, did you?

Kevin Brownlee:

No.

Kevin Brownlee:

What's happened?

Kevin Brownlee:

Jimmy wrapped his car around a tree last night.

Kevin Brownlee:

Kevin, he died.

Kevin Brownlee:

Kevin, why didn't you talk to him?

Kevin Brownlee:

Why didn't you talk to him?

Kevin Brownlee:

I just went into my office and I just fell on the floor and

Kevin Brownlee:

apologized to God profusely.

Kevin Brownlee:

I don't know what Jimmy wanted to talk about, but I'm sure it had something to

Kevin Brownlee:

do with God wanting me to talk to him.

Kevin Brownlee:

But I was too busy working on that bid, and it also hit me later when

Kevin Brownlee:

I found out I didn't get that bid.

Kevin Brownlee:

smack me to the ground twice.

Kevin Brownlee:

God said, it's not about the job.

Kevin Brownlee:

I'll handle the work.

Kevin Brownlee:

I'll handle the income.

Kevin Brownlee:

You handle the people that I put in front of you.

Kevin Brownlee:

I heard that

Kevin Brownlee:

loud And clear that day.

Tim Winders:

and that's the challenge that people are faced minute by minute,

Tim Winders:

day by day in their work settings.

Tim Winders:

I.

Tim Winders:

And so let's move into this conversation about what is going on with the,

Tim Winders:

what the Bible says and what people perceive is going on in their work.

Tim Winders:

Because you and I know Kevin, that what many people do is they

Tim Winders:

just separate those things out.

Tim Winders:

Even people that will profess and say, I'm a Christian, or I'm a follower

Tim Winders:

of Christ, or I've got a faith, or, I'm leaning that way, whatever.

Tim Winders:

Whatever their status is, they will often use words like curse or something like

Tim Winders:

that when they talk about their work.

Tim Winders:

And so I guess let's kinda start big picture before we go into talking a little

Tim Winders:

bit more about some of the things you do with your seminars and things like that.

Tim Winders:

But what do you see as being some of the biggest challenges when we start

Tim Winders:

talking about work ? People that are attempting to live their life, we'll

Tim Winders:

say it that way, attempting to live their life by some degree of faith.

Tim Winders:

what's some of the big issues, big challenges that they deal with?

Kevin Brownlee:

the separation.

Kevin Brownlee:

The separation between Sunday.

Kevin Brownlee:

Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, the world says it.

Kevin Brownlee:

It goes all the way back to the days of Plato, that there is things

Kevin Brownlee:

that are spiritual, things that are godly or good things that are,

Kevin Brownlee:

hard and whatever those can be bad.

Kevin Brownlee:

There's a separation between the spiritual and the secular.

Kevin Brownlee:

There's this gap in there and people have kept that going for all these

Kevin Brownlee:

years to the point where a lot of corporations are like, yeah, that's

Kevin Brownlee:

fine that you go to church on Sunday, but don't you bring that here to work.

Kevin Brownlee:

Don't you talk anything about that at break time, or don't you bring

Kevin Brownlee:

that into our schools That's fine.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can do that on Sunday.

Kevin Brownlee:

They try and keep that separation.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I'm sure the enemy, Satan keeps that separation in people's mind because godly

Kevin Brownlee:

things, the way that the Bible says is the spiritual and the work, the spiritual in

Kevin Brownlee:

our life go together like this and make a strong and enjoyable work experience.

Kevin Brownlee:

There is no wall of separation.

Kevin Brownlee:

There is no separation between the no chasm, nothing.

Kevin Brownlee:

They have to be together for things to work.

Kevin Brownlee:

And once we realize that, and also there is a lot of fake rules out there.

Kevin Brownlee:

Fake laws.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can't bring out here to work.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can't say that in our school.

Kevin Brownlee:

No, that's made up.

Kevin Brownlee:

Made up by Satan.

Kevin Brownlee:

You have the ability to do that.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah.

Kevin Brownlee:

We don't want to be bible thumpers.

Kevin Brownlee:

Maybe we can lead a Bible study at break.

Kevin Brownlee:

That would be cool.

Kevin Brownlee:

But if we just work in a way that, the way the Bible says,

Kevin Brownlee:

being Christ representative here.

Kevin Brownlee:

That would mean being the best that we can at our job and have a great attitude,

Kevin Brownlee:

great work ethic, show up on time, work hard, have a joy about us that the Bible

Kevin Brownlee:

says we're to have and have this peace about us where things don't rattle us.

Kevin Brownlee:

If we can just have that type of aura about us or whatever you will, then

Kevin Brownlee:

maybe people will come to us and say, there's something different about you.

Kevin Brownlee:

Why is that?

Kevin Brownlee:

Then, as first Peter says, have a ready answer.

Kevin Brownlee:

When they ask you, because they asked you, it was on their

Kevin Brownlee:

terms, then you can tell them.

Kevin Brownlee:

Then you can share the gospel if the appropriate.

Tim Winders:

We do, like you were saying at the beginning of that,

Tim Winders:

we do really segment out our lives.

Tim Winders:

And what's interesting about it is if you go to scripture and read about,

Tim Winders:

the Hebrews, the actual, nation of Israel, they, they integrated

Tim Winders:

every portion of their life.

Tim Winders:

I think that confuses us at times when we read that in our modern culture, because

Tim Winders:

we, you mentioned Plato, the Greco Roman structure is you segment everything.

Tim Winders:

you've got your marriage, you've got your relationships, you've got your, even now

Tim Winders:

hobbies and different things like that.

Tim Winders:

And like you said, Sunday and Monday is totally separated out.

Tim Winders:

And I've shared this before I was saved in a business setting, so I've never really

Tim Winders:

separated out my business from my faith.

Tim Winders:

I wasn't actually saved in a church setting, which in

Tim Winders:

some ways is interesting.

Tim Winders:

In some ways I think it's help helpful for me because I don't ever bring these

Tim Winders:

out, but our culture says it's different.

Tim Winders:

But then I also wanna bring this up.

Tim Winders:

you mentioned it just in this last segment you were talking about, I think

Tim Winders:

some people have perceived barriers about what they can say and not say.

Tim Winders:

In other words, they build it up in their minds that they can't pray with

Tim Winders:

someone at work or say something.

Tim Winders:

Because like you said, there, there is a, there is this thought of

Tim Winders:

separation, but I don't see that.

Tim Winders:

Maybe again, it's my mindset, but I don't see it as much as

Tim Winders:

a lot of people say it's there.

Tim Winders:

What are your thoughts on that?

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah, I don't think it's there as much either,

Kevin Brownlee:

but we are ingrained with that.

Kevin Brownlee:

we just have that in our mind anyway.

Kevin Brownlee:

Oh, you can't bring that here.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can't talk about Christ here.

Kevin Brownlee:

You can't, we don't necessarily have to.

Kevin Brownlee:

We just live the way the Bible says and people will come to us because

Kevin Brownlee:

what we have is things that the.

Kevin Brownlee:

Is after.

Kevin Brownlee:

They want grace.

Kevin Brownlee:

They want peace.

Kevin Brownlee:

They want to know that things are gonna work out okay.

Kevin Brownlee:

They want to know that there is something that happens after this life.

Kevin Brownlee:

They want that joy, and we have all of those.

Kevin Brownlee:

We have what they want.

Kevin Brownlee:

If we just show that in our in, in how we act and talk and how we work,

Kevin Brownlee:

they'll come to us and ask us about that.

Tim Winders:

yeah.

Tim Winders:

We're in a world that there's just this real void.

Tim Winders:

Of hope and all the polls and the statistics show that people that are

Tim Winders:

in work environment, you know, we can go back to the time of covid.

Tim Winders:

People were able to work from home.

Tim Winders:

They enjoyed that for a period of while and, a period of time.

Tim Winders:

And then they realized maybe they didn't even like the type work they were doing,

Tim Winders:

they recognized that and I think it was, there was a real sense, and we

Tim Winders:

know this in culture, there is a hope.

Tim Winders:

lessness that's out there.

Tim Winders:

And I, and I, and I know one of the things that both you and I

Tim Winders:

want to do is encourage people.

Tim Winders:

It's like we are beacons of hope and we carry that with us.

Tim Winders:

and one of the things I love about what you're doing is you're encouraging people

Tim Winders:

to carry that into their work environment and the work that they go into.

Tim Winders:

So at what point did you move to a place that, I dunno if it was before

Tim Winders:

or after you exited your company, but at what point did you start putting

Tim Winders:

this into maybe a teachable, I I will, I will say this from being around you.

Tim Winders:

You are a, you're a doer and a worker, but you've got the teacher gene in you.

Tim Winders:

My guess is when you learn something, you almost automatically start

Tim Winders:

gravitating towards wanting to learn it, master it, and then teach it.

Tim Winders:

Is that correct?

Kevin Brownlee:

it.

Kevin Brownlee:

Exactly.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah.

Kevin Brownlee:

I even read scripture in the morning and I'm like, oh, that's really cool.

Kevin Brownlee:

Can I get three points from this and use it in a podcast I, and I think

Kevin Brownlee:

that goes back to let me tell a little bit more of a story, which is really

Kevin Brownlee:

cool and certainly relevant, I had been teaching, teaching bible studies,

Kevin Brownlee:

in a home setting, you know, on Thursday nights for 30 years or more.

Kevin Brownlee:

I had taught adult Sunday school at church.

Kevin Brownlee:

I love to teach, and I love to, to write books and do the podcasts and stuff, but

Kevin Brownlee:

I was really getting burned out at work.

Kevin Brownlee:

I.

Kevin Brownlee:

And we had a guy come to our church that did a seminar.

Kevin Brownlee:

His name's Gary Rum, and he's from Agora Consulting.

Kevin Brownlee:

And he came and did a seminar about how to make your job, your ministry for Christ.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I just, I love that so much that I wanted to do that.

Kevin Brownlee:

So he came, he wanted to come and see my shop and stuff, so he came

Kevin Brownlee:

and he said, how's work going?

Kevin Brownlee:

fine.

Kevin Brownlee:

No.

Kevin Brownlee:

How's work going?

Kevin Brownlee:

Because I can see a little different in the way you are.

Kevin Brownlee:

Well, yeah, it's tough.

Kevin Brownlee:

this was in about 2000, oh, 13 or so after taking it company through

Kevin Brownlee:

that 2008 to 2012 or so downturn.

Kevin Brownlee:

I had dark brown hair until those days.

Kevin Brownlee:

Boy, it was brutal.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I got burned out and I wanted out, but I didn't know how I felt.

Kevin Brownlee:

I felt like I was trapped in that job trapped there.

Kevin Brownlee:

The only way out was to work harder, to stay later and bid more

Kevin Brownlee:

jobs, to keep getting more in.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I told him that.

Kevin Brownlee:

I said, I feel trapped.

Kevin Brownlee:

I feel like I can't get outta here.

Kevin Brownlee:

I'm getting burned out and I'm getting scared because I

Kevin Brownlee:

don't know what else to do.

Kevin Brownlee:

I feel trapped.

Kevin Brownlee:

And that has a certain amount of fear in it and frustration certainly.

Kevin Brownlee:

So he looked at me and wonderful Christian Guy, great insight.

Kevin Brownlee:

he looked at me and he said, Kevin, what could you do if money was no object and

Kevin Brownlee:

you weren't doing this, what would you do?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I said, well, I would write books, I would do podcasts.

Kevin Brownlee:

I would travel around the country and give pastors a break.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I would teach and do seminars.

Kevin Brownlee:

I would tra, I would love to do that.

Kevin Brownlee:

But I can't.

Kevin Brownlee:

As I went like, look at this, I got 35 families that rely on me

Kevin Brownlee:

to get to keep them employed.

Kevin Brownlee:

And he looked at me and he got real serious and looked at me right in the eyes

Kevin Brownlee:

and he said, Kevin, how big is your God?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I knew that was a double entendre.

Kevin Brownlee:

I knew he was saying, is this work your God?

Kevin Brownlee:

Because you are relating everything to that, and do you think God is big enough?

Kevin Brownlee:

Do you think God is big enough to make that happen?

Kevin Brownlee:

If you want that really bad, and if that's how he has formed you and

Kevin Brownlee:

molded you to be able to pass this on, that started the process of selling

Kevin Brownlee:

the company to be able to do what I'm doing today to do these five things.

Kevin Brownlee:

Was him saying, Kevin, how big is your God?

Tim Winders:

what's really cool about it, Kevin?

Tim Winders:

Is that you had a spiritual walk, you were advanced, you were not immature,

Tim Winders:

as you mentioned Paul talking about earlier, but you still needed someone

Tim Winders:

else to come in and speak that to you.

Tim Winders:

I think that shows the power of how we need other people and we need

Tim Winders:

people to speak into our lives and be around and things like that.

Tim Winders:

So I, I think that's very powerful and I, as you were listing it out, I'm sitting

Tim Winders:

here going, that's the lifestyle you lead.

Tim Winders:

Now those are you and your wife money, y'all travel, y'all are in RVs.

Tim Winders:

You bump into people like us and really he's bigger than even we can

Tim Winders:

imagine, because you probably laid out some of the things you're doing

Tim Winders:

now, but you probably didn't lay out everything that you're doing now.

Tim Winders:

Did you.

Kevin Brownlee:

And one of those is the RV technician thing.

Kevin Brownlee:

I had been working on RVs for 30 years.

Kevin Brownlee:

I would buy 'em and I'd flip 'em.

Kevin Brownlee:

I would buy one almost every year, fix it up and sell it for 30 years.

Kevin Brownlee:

That was my little hobby, you know?

Kevin Brownlee:

And suddenly we were here in this RV park and my wife and I were supposed

Kevin Brownlee:

to go, you know, she works full-time.

Kevin Brownlee:

She gets off at about four and we had an hour and a half of daylight left to

Kevin Brownlee:

go for a hike in Zion National Park.

Kevin Brownlee:

she couldn't find me because I was out working on an rv.

Kevin Brownlee:

Somebody had their water heater door open, scratching their head.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I walked out there and it's oh, I think I can fix this.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I fixed it for him and we missed our hike.

Kevin Brownlee:

And when I came back in I was like, oh, I'm so sorry.

Kevin Brownlee:

And she said, there's a glow about you.

Kevin Brownlee:

You love to work on RVs, don't you?

Kevin Brownlee:

I said, yeah, I love to help people, And she said, why don't we think

Kevin Brownlee:

about sending you to RV tech school?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I said, okay.

Kevin Brownlee:

She says, because if you're gonna be doing that, you need

Kevin Brownlee:

to make some money at it, right?

Kevin Brownlee:

and you need to do it right.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I said, okay, I've already got an LLC.

Kevin Brownlee:

We'll use that.

Kevin Brownlee:

I need to get certified and I need to get insurance.

Kevin Brownlee:

So off we went to Texas, to school, to learn that.

Kevin Brownlee:

That just kind of fell in my lap, thanks to the Lord and a wonderful

Kevin Brownlee:

wife who saw something in me.

Kevin Brownlee:

And saw something that made me happy.

Kevin Brownlee:

And that's the big plus that most people are afraid or don't think

Kevin Brownlee:

will happen, is when you're really doing things that God has wired you

Kevin Brownlee:

to do, the joy just comes out of you.

Kevin Brownlee:

It just shows up.

Kevin Brownlee:

And that's what she saw when I came back from working on that rv.

Kevin Brownlee:

And now it's every time she comes in or I come back into the RV and and

Kevin Brownlee:

I may have cuts in my hands and dirt to my face and she says, do you have

Kevin Brownlee:

fun, Do you have to ask I loved it.

Kevin Brownlee:

I, and I tell her, and there are times like she's visiting our

Kevin Brownlee:

daughter in Hawaii right now, and she calls and said, how was your day?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I tell her all these RV things.

Kevin Brownlee:

I fixed

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

I had a tough one with Tim yesterday.

Tim Winders:

It was pretty rough.

Tim Winders:

I had to lay underneath the RV for about an hour and a half.

Kevin Brownlee:

it's all fun.

Kevin Brownlee:

Especially because, and I can tell you this, and this is a, an amazing thing

Kevin Brownlee:

that I've learned more and more, I won't get into too much about how prayer

Kevin Brownlee:

changed my life, but I realized that when I asked God specific requests,

Kevin Brownlee:

he would answer specifically specific prayers get answered specifically.

Kevin Brownlee:

And when I thank him then, than he keeps doing that more and more, God answers

Kevin Brownlee:

specific prayer, specifically because he gets the glory, he gets the praise.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I love to do that to him.

Kevin Brownlee:

And he loves to get it.

Kevin Brownlee:

So even when I'm working on RVs.

Kevin Brownlee:

Like yesterday, the hardest part of doing your job was getting those, the

Kevin Brownlee:

hot and cold water fittings to thread incorrectly with one hand that I

Kevin Brownlee:

could barely get in there and fit it.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I was praying, God help me thread that.

Kevin Brownlee:

Could you push that end to hold it into place while I thread this?

Kevin Brownlee:

Could we do?

Kevin Brownlee:

And it went in flawlessly and didn't cross thread.

Kevin Brownlee:

It went in and I got it tight.

Kevin Brownlee:

Thank you Lord.

Kevin Brownlee:

He loves to work with us.

Kevin Brownlee:

He created work as a blessing.

Kevin Brownlee:

The Bible tells us in Genesis that work is a blessing and when we can work

Kevin Brownlee:

in a way that we're working with him and asking for help and he helps us.

Kevin Brownlee:

This is what goes on, right?

Kevin Brownlee:

The spiritual things and the world work.

Kevin Brownlee:

Things are like this, and that's part of the fun.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's part of the joy that's on my face when I come back to see my wife.

Kevin Brownlee:

At the end of the day, I worked with God on something

Tim Winders:

We have hot water and the hot water heater's not

Tim Winders:

gonna fall off the side of the rv.

Tim Winders:

Hey Kevin, one thing that, one thing that I've observed

Tim Winders:

and always been impressed, I.

Tim Winders:

By you is that, I know you have worked in a lot of situations,

Tim Winders:

you got a lot of certifications.

Tim Winders:

You are a, like you've mentioned, a blue jeans.

Tim Winders:

You are a hands-on.

Tim Winders:

It's interesting though, in, in today's world, the blue jeans brand

Tim Winders:

has like worked its way even into the boardroom because , there are

Tim Winders:

people wearing blue jeans everywhere.

Tim Winders:

I think when you started it, it's more . I know.

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

They might be more skinny jeans, which we don't wanna talk about that.

Tim Winders:

That's a whole nother topic.

Tim Winders:

But, but you have always, to me, I've been so impressed by, I

Tim Winders:

know you've had your own company and you've done a ton of things.

Tim Winders:

You've stood in pulpits and taught and preached and all that, but yet

Tim Winders:

there does not seem to be, and this is related to the work, and it's part

Tim Winders:

of a question I'm posing here, there doesn't seem to be any pride or ego

Tim Winders:

in the fact that at one point you sat in a corner office, and then I'll give

Tim Winders:

specifically, yesterday you were laying in the muck underneath an rv, attempting

Tim Winders:

to do, we were threading a needle.

Tim Winders:

Literally we were threading a needle yesterday.

Tim Winders:

Talk a little bit about that pride and ego that we need to have as

Tim Winders:

followers of Christ, especially as it relates to our work.

Kevin Brownlee:

When you realize that we are wonderfully and uniquely made by

Kevin Brownlee:

God, and we are put here as Isaiah 43 7 says, you have been created for my glory.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's why we're here.

Kevin Brownlee:

To glorify God, to bring glory to him.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then Paul, then in one Corinthians 10 31, like I mentioned

Kevin Brownlee:

earlier, he says, do all things in a way that brings glory to God.

Kevin Brownlee:

And two Corinthians five, nine says that we should make it our

Kevin Brownlee:

aim to be well pleasing to Jesus.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's our aim, right?

Kevin Brownlee:

Like that, that's what we're aiming at, is to be well pleasing to Jesus.

Kevin Brownlee:

It doesn't say only if you are in the boardroom, only if you're at a desk, it

Kevin Brownlee:

may mean if you're crawling underneath and up into an RV to fix something, make

Kevin Brownlee:

it your aim to be well pleasing to Jesus.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I'm doing these things intentionally as a way of glorifying him because he

Kevin Brownlee:

made me to be able to do those things.

Kevin Brownlee:

He provided the tools and the ability and to be able to do these things with one

Kevin Brownlee:

arm inside there with his help, of course.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I think he loves all of that.

Kevin Brownlee:

He loves to see us using how he made us, just like if we made some special

Kevin Brownlee:

toy for our kid and we see that kid go out and play for hours with that thing

Kevin Brownlee:

that we made, the joy that it brings us, the joy it must bring God to.

Tim Winders:

I think the other thing that messes with people when they talk about

Tim Winders:

work, I think you briefly mentioned it earlier, and that's the whole money piece.

Tim Winders:

People get caught up with, number one.

Tim Winders:

They feel like they, they need money, which they do.

Tim Winders:

and which reminds me by the way, I think you need to make

Tim Winders:

sure you bill me for yesterday.

Tim Winders:

We need to transact on that.

Tim Winders:

I don't think you've invoiced me yet, and I know you will and I appreciate that.

Tim Winders:

Talk briefly about how sometimes money can mess people up when we

Tim Winders:

start talking about this work thing,

Kevin Brownlee:

money isn't evil.

Kevin Brownlee:

It's what we think of it.

Kevin Brownlee:

money is the root of all evil.

Kevin Brownlee:

it's what, it's where we put it on our pedestal.

Kevin Brownlee:

Is that way up there is it down there?

Kevin Brownlee:

I realized a long time ago that I wasn't going to quit a job to, because

Kevin Brownlee:

another one offered a little bit more.

Kevin Brownlee:

I did that right out, right out of college.

Kevin Brownlee:

I quit one good job because another place offered me like a

Kevin Brownlee:

dollar, an hour more or something.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I felt horrible about that because those folks that I was working for put a

Kevin Brownlee:

lot into me and expected a lot from me.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I just show up and said, Hey, I'm leaving 'cause I got a

Kevin Brownlee:

little bit more offer over here.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I also did that in a way of maybe saying, could you give me a raise?

Kevin Brownlee:

If you gimme a raise, I'll stay.

Kevin Brownlee:

I didn't say that, but that was in my mind.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then after that, I think God probably put that in me.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's like, you know, I'll take care of that.

Kevin Brownlee:

You just do what I want you to do.

Kevin Brownlee:

I'll take care of the funds.

Kevin Brownlee:

And he does, because I don't put that as my God, right?

Kevin Brownlee:

I don't put that there.

Kevin Brownlee:

I, there's been times when I have done things, I've done this because it pays

Kevin Brownlee:

more than that, but I don't really anymore because it's the people that God has put

Kevin Brownlee:

in front of me that I'm trying to help.

Kevin Brownlee:

And if I get paid for it, great.

Kevin Brownlee:

Let God handle that.

Kevin Brownlee:

And he does.

Kevin Brownlee:

I have more in our bank account now working 25 hours a week just

Kevin Brownlee:

because he takes care of that.

Kevin Brownlee:

I, we've never had a want for anything.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's the last verses of Matthew six where he says, if you seek

Kevin Brownlee:

first my kingdom, all these things that you need, I'll add it to you.

Kevin Brownlee:

Add it to you.

Kevin Brownlee:

He says.

Kevin Brownlee:

building and building.

Kevin Brownlee:

seek first his kingdom, being his representative here.

Kevin Brownlee:

Give people a taste of heaven here.

Kevin Brownlee:

I do that because when we think of what heaven's gonna be

Kevin Brownlee:

like, people love each other,

Kevin Brownlee:

they're gonna work hard, and yes, we will be working in heaven.

Kevin Brownlee:

They work hard, they pay their bills on time.

Kevin Brownlee:

They're not enthralled with money.

Kevin Brownlee:

They're enthralled with serving Christ and being as representative.

Kevin Brownlee:

If we give people a taste of that here, being gracious and loving and kind

Kevin Brownlee:

and pay our bills on time and a joy to be around and not get rattled over

Kevin Brownlee:

what political thing has happened, the water cooler talk to us is more joyous.

Kevin Brownlee:

And if it's bad or heads south, we walk away.

Kevin Brownlee:

If we are like that, he will make sure that we get everything that we need.

Kevin Brownlee:

He promises that, and he has proved that promise to me

Tim Winders:

Kevin, one of the things that you've done is you've.

Tim Winders:

Put together a seminar and I'm looking at some of the information on it.

Tim Winders:

and this should get people's attention, improve your job and your retirement.

Tim Winders:

And basically it's, to me, I worded it.

Tim Winders:

It's marrying your faith with your work world.

Tim Winders:

And so with in, in just a few minutes here, maybe can you cover

Tim Winders:

just really quickly, those five areas that you're looking at here?

Tim Winders:

I'm looking at it, but I'd love for you to share it because

Tim Winders:

I think this is important.

Tim Winders:

I think it's one of the things that can bring value to people listening in.

Tim Winders:

And then if people want to get more info later, we'll tell them

Tim Winders:

where they could connect with you to find out more about that.

Tim Winders:

But hit the high points if you could.

Kevin Brownlee:

I've heard often from Christians, I can't wait

Kevin Brownlee:

till this job ends so I could do something that really matters to God.

Kevin Brownlee:

And we spend somewhere in the neighborhood of 90,000 hours

Kevin Brownlee:

of our life in a job working.

Kevin Brownlee:

What if that was the place that really mattered to him?

Kevin Brownlee:

We're where we spend the majority of our time.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I developed a seminar, it's a five hour seminar, so there's five one

Kevin Brownlee:

hour sessions, and the first session is called the Foundation of Work.

Kevin Brownlee:

And where we prove biblically that work is a blessing from God.

Kevin Brownlee:

He created us to work and he expects us to work and gives

Kevin Brownlee:

us the foundations to do that.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then, and I give 12 scripture references of how work is a benefit to us.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then the second one is how to work biblically.

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We mostly look at Ephesians five, six through nine, a word at a time

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where Paul distinctly in one paragraph tells us employees how to work.

Kevin Brownlee:

So we do that and then we do that in such a way that it's this little sheet that

Kevin Brownlee:

people can take to remind them how to act in these different things, different ways.

Kevin Brownlee:

Then we change the work focus from making money to serving Christ.

Kevin Brownlee:

So we talk about that, including how to retire biblically because most of

Kevin Brownlee:

us are working to be able to retire, so we're saving all that we can.

Kevin Brownlee:

We have this 4 0 1 K, we have all this money saved away so we can do

Kevin Brownlee:

nothing that's awful self-serving.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's not Christ serving.

Kevin Brownlee:

But what if we change our focus to, yes, go ahead and do that, but then just turn

Kevin Brownlee:

the chapter and do a different chapter in our life and do something that I.

Kevin Brownlee:

Uses all that he's built into us throughout the years to be able

Kevin Brownlee:

to serve him and do something in more fun type of thing.

Kevin Brownlee:

The next is figuring out what your mission is.

Kevin Brownlee:

God has a mission for all of us, and sometimes it changes over the years,

Kevin Brownlee:

but figuring out what that mesh, what that mission is, and then we end with

Kevin Brownlee:

the three things that must be in place for you to know that what you're doing

Kevin Brownlee:

or this business endeavor idea you have in mind is what God wants you to do.

Kevin Brownlee:

It's God's purpose.

Kevin Brownlee:

So we end with that and it's, that's a fantastic thing because the light

Kevin Brownlee:

kicks on, and I've done this at college, Christian colleges, I've

Kevin Brownlee:

done it at churches, and always people stay afterwards and just

Kevin Brownlee:

have this excitement about 'em.

Kevin Brownlee:

I can't wait to go to work on Monday.

Kevin Brownlee:

I can't wait to go to work on money, or I can't wait to do this thing that

Kevin Brownlee:

I've had in my mind for years, because I think all three of those things line up.

Kevin Brownlee:

I think God's in it now.

Kevin Brownlee:

I know God's in it now.

Kevin Brownlee:

So that's a five hour seminar that we do at churches.

Kevin Brownlee:

It's usually two hours on a Friday night, and then three hours on a

Kevin Brownlee:

Saturday morning we're done by 11:00 AM so they can still have their weekend

Tim Winders:

The thing about that's interesting.

Tim Winders:

I saw this when I was at Bible school for a few years and I was mature.

Tim Winders:

I was about to say I was old.

Tim Winders:

It was, I was in my mid fifties.

Tim Winders:

There were a lot of people that were younger.

Tim Winders:

There were some people that were older than me.

Tim Winders:

And the thing that permeates that environment was a little

Tim Winders:

bit discouraging to me.

Tim Winders:

'cause it's a little bit of, I don't wanna say the opposite of what you're

Tim Winders:

talking about, but it was basically this.

Tim Winders:

People had this thought that the only way, or the ultimate way, or the best way, or

Tim Winders:

the only thing that God really has for me is to be in a full-time ministry role.

Tim Winders:

And what I love about this, first of all, you're going into churches and

Tim Winders:

other places like that to share this message, but you're telling people, it's

Tim Winders:

almost no, we need marketplace people.

Tim Winders:

We need people that are out doing work.

Tim Winders:

We, first of all, can't all go into full-time ministry, nor should we,

Tim Winders:

but I love the way you've combined it in your life where you still go

Tim Winders:

in and you help pastors and relieve them on top of the work situation.

Tim Winders:

Talk briefly about what you're doing with pastors and just briefly the state

Tim Winders:

of, we don't wanna, we're not gonna say all pastors are stressed out and

Tim Winders:

things like that, that's not the case.

Tim Winders:

But that's a tough gig right now.

Tim Winders:

and you're coming in and pinch hitting for them, which I think

Tim Winders:

is a pretty valuable service.

Tim Winders:

Say a couple things about that.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah.

Kevin Brownlee:

See, I believe most pastors are extremely lonely, and especially those that are

Kevin Brownlee:

shepherding a smaller flock because they may have hundreds of superficial

Kevin Brownlee:

friends, but they don't have anybody to confide with, hopefully their spouse.

Kevin Brownlee:

But rarely do they have anyone that will like just sit down

Kevin Brownlee:

and chat with them and see.

Kevin Brownlee:

Pastors are humans.

Kevin Brownlee:

They're not super humans.

Kevin Brownlee:

They may have a better grasp of scripture than we do, but they still

Kevin Brownlee:

have the same life struggles that we do.

Kevin Brownlee:

they have family crisis issues come up.

Kevin Brownlee:

They have kids that go AWOL or die and they get.

Kevin Brownlee:

Probably burned out sooner than the rest of us because we all

Kevin Brownlee:

assume that they have thick skin.

Kevin Brownlee:

they can handle death and perform funeral services.

Kevin Brownlee:

They can handle extremely rough marital counseling sessions.

Kevin Brownlee:

they can handle people that are depressed and have suicidal issues and addictions is

Kevin Brownlee:

just this terrible, sinful past, but then have to show up on Sunday with a polished

Kevin Brownlee:

sermon with PowerPoint and a smile.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's gotta be tough.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's gotta be tough to keep doing that every week.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I know I've heard from some pastors saying, I'm just scared that my sermon

Kevin Brownlee:

this Sunday won't be as good as last Sunday and the people are gonna leave.

Kevin Brownlee:

they need some time off then.

Kevin Brownlee:

Right?

Kevin Brownlee:

So I try and give them a time off.

Kevin Brownlee:

They need to have a couple weeks off like we all do.

Kevin Brownlee:

I.

Kevin Brownlee:

A lot of times they don't get it.

Kevin Brownlee:

They can't unplug, they can't get away unless they have somebody

Kevin Brownlee:

that they can trust to come in and fill in for them for two weeks to

Kevin Brownlee:

six weeks is what I normally do.

Kevin Brownlee:

Give them some time off Rejuvenate, connect with their family again.

Kevin Brownlee:

Maybe come up with some plans for the next sermon series.

Kevin Brownlee:

Just give them some time off.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I just love doing that because you can see from when I show up what

Kevin Brownlee:

they're like to when I'm done and they come back, they're a new person again.

Kevin Brownlee:

Love doing that.

Kevin Brownlee:

Love doing that.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I'm sure they appreciate it too,

Tim Winders:

I think it's good for both the pastor and the pastor's family.

Tim Winders:

Probably the staff as well as the congregation.

Kevin Brownlee:

I tell work stories that they can relate to.

Kevin Brownlee:

Some pastors, some not all, but some really can't relate to

Kevin Brownlee:

people that are working a nine to five job or eight to five job.

Kevin Brownlee:

Certainly maybe not ones that are in the oil fields or construction or something.

Kevin Brownlee:

So it's fun to see those guys show up to church when I'm there

Kevin Brownlee:

rather than just their wives.

Kevin Brownlee:

Hope I can say

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

Kevin, a few years ago you wrote, your glorious endeavor.

Tim Winders:

You

Kevin Brownlee:

Mm-Hmm?

Tim Winders:

copy this morning because the copy that I got a few years ago,

Tim Winders:

I read it, highlighted it a little bit, and then I gifted it to someone.

Tim Winders:

I didn't have a copy with me.

Tim Winders:

But tell me a little bit about that, and then I've got one or two final

Tim Winders:

questions, and we'll be wrapping up here shortly, but your glorious endeavor,

Tim Winders:

how to glorify God, be well pleasing to him, and worship him acceptably.

Tim Winders:

That sounds like an encyclopedia volume, not a book.

Kevin Brownlee:

Yeah, it's basically Christianity one on 1, 1 0 1.

Kevin Brownlee:

because it came from a question that I had since I was a little kid.

Kevin Brownlee:

We've been told in church that we are supposed to glorify God.

Kevin Brownlee:

How do we do that?

Kevin Brownlee:

And I ask pastors, and I'd always get some kind of, I wouldn't say lame

Kevin Brownlee:

answer, but an answer that wasn't like, specifically things that we can do.

Kevin Brownlee:

It was more like, if you be obedient to him and love others, no.

Kevin Brownlee:

I wanna know, is there something that we can do to bring glory to God?

Kevin Brownlee:

Because I know there's things that we can do that don't bring glory to God.

Kevin Brownlee:

So there must be things that we can do, and we don't do these things, to be saved.

Kevin Brownlee:

Christ took care of all that on the cross, but we do them in a way as thanking him

Kevin Brownlee:

for what he did do on the cross for us.

Kevin Brownlee:

So I came up with about 38 things that we can do from scripture studying scripture.

Kevin Brownlee:

What can we do to bring glory to God by searching the word glorify and

Kevin Brownlee:

glory and are there specific things?

Kevin Brownlee:

and I whittled it down to 16 specific things that we can do to glorify God.

Kevin Brownlee:

If you look at the picture on that cover, there is all of those little things are

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in the root and the trunk of the tree.

Kevin Brownlee:

But I sat back after getting that done and thought, you know what?

Kevin Brownlee:

this is how to worship God.

Kevin Brownlee:

these things is the definition of worship.

Kevin Brownlee:

So that's why those things are in the root, in the trunk.

Kevin Brownlee:

But the branches, the fruit is the W-O-R-S-H-I-P.

Kevin Brownlee:

That's the fruit of doing those things.

Kevin Brownlee:

So you wanna know how to worship God.

Kevin Brownlee:

There are 16th specific things you can do, and that's what's

Kevin Brownlee:

in the book is those 16 things.

Kevin Brownlee:

And each of them is really good things to know of how to

Kevin Brownlee:

grow and mature as a Christian.

Kevin Brownlee:

Prayer is one of them.

Kevin Brownlee:

How to grow your faith is one of them.

Kevin Brownlee:

how to trust God.

Kevin Brownlee:

Sometimes we know we should trust God, but boy, this thing coming

Kevin Brownlee:

down the road is pretty scary.

Kevin Brownlee:

Can I trust God?

Kevin Brownlee:

Yes, you can.

Kevin Brownlee:

And I tell about how to do that in there.

Kevin Brownlee:

16 specific things of how to glorify God.

Tim Winders:

One of the things that I really love and I pulled out, and I think

Tim Winders:

this is a bookmark slash, I don't wanna say cheat sheet, it doesn't sound right

Tim Winders:

to, for the book titled Your Glorious Endeavor to Have a Cheat Sheet, but

Tim Winders:

you've got 'em listed out here with scripture and little points to them.

Tim Winders:

Prayer, faith, and hope, love, integrity, skillful, acknowledge,

Tim Winders:

obedience, all of those.

Tim Winders:

I really like that.

Tim Winders:

I think that's a great learning tool for people though.

Tim Winders:

So Kevin, there's so many things you do.

Tim Winders:

You have such a rich background

Tim Winders:

I think what I'd love to do at this point is for you to just let people know how

Tim Winders:

they could connect with you, get some resources if they want to find you for

Tim Winders:

seminars, if they want to get your book.

Tim Winders:

I guess if they want RV repair, , whatever, what do you, where do you

Tim Winders:

want people to go to connect with you?

Tim Winders:

And then I've got one more question before we wrap up.

Kevin Brownlee:

Okay, so I've got two websites.

Kevin Brownlee:

One of them is.

Kevin Brownlee:

BlueJeanschristian.com.

Kevin Brownlee:

So most of what we talk about today can be found there, including the

Kevin Brownlee:

seminar and filling in for pastors or being a special speaker at a church.

Kevin Brownlee:

And remember, I'm in an rv, so I travel around and do that so that's

Kevin Brownlee:

at BlueJeanschristian.com and you can connect with me through there.

Kevin Brownlee:

And then the other is bjc rv.com.

Kevin Brownlee:

So that's the RV related things.

Kevin Brownlee:

and that has where I'm at and where I'm gonna be on that website too.

Kevin Brownlee:

So if somebody's like, oh, he's gonna be at the same RV park, I'm gonna

Kevin Brownlee:

be out, I'll have him do some work.

Tim Winders:

I've got that built in on my speed dial or my built in text

Tim Winders:

or reach out to Kevin when we were, in fact, I'm sure he was excited.

Tim Winders:

I said, Hey, are you gonna be down in southern Utah?

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

We were texting and it's oh, look forward to seeing.

Tim Winders:

And I said, Hey, by the way, I've got some work that needs to be done

Kevin Brownlee:

work is a blessing from God when we get to know

Kevin Brownlee:

each other even better while we're working together on an rv.

Tim Winders:

yeah.

Tim Winders:

Yes.

Tim Winders:

Yesterday was an example of that.

Tim Winders:

So Kevin, we are seek.

Tim Winders:

Go create those three words.

Tim Winders:

I know with your, study and all that you've done, you know where those words

Tim Winders:

come from, but I'm gonna let you choose one word over the other two, just as

Tim Winders:

a fun little thing to wrap up here.

Tim Winders:

Seek, go or create.

Tim Winders:

Which one do you choose and why?

Tim Winders:

I.

Kevin Brownlee:

I think those are sequential and I think they're also an in.

Kevin Brownlee:

Where you are in each of those is an indication of where you

Kevin Brownlee:

are in your spiritual journey.

Kevin Brownlee:

I just love go, because that's what Jesus said.

Kevin Brownlee:

One of the last words he said when he went to heaven to wait for us.

Kevin Brownlee:

is go.

Kevin Brownlee:

Just go.

Kevin Brownlee:

So think that's probably my word, you know, seek.

Kevin Brownlee:

God's will for your life.

Kevin Brownlee:

And once you know it, and yes, you can know it, then go do it and

Kevin Brownlee:

be creative the way that God has designed you and wired you to be

Kevin Brownlee:

able to be creative for his glory.

Tim Winders:

I am going to really encourage people to jump over and listen

Tim Winders:

to BlueJeans Christian, the podcast while they're in their podcast player right now.

Tim Winders:

Jump over and listen to that and subscribe.

Tim Winders:

I listened to a couple episodes this morning, in fact, just preparing

Tim Winders:

for this and so go listen to that.

Tim Winders:

Check out his book, his website, and book him for seminars.

Tim Winders:

If you're a pastor.

Tim Winders:

Reach out to him to come in and just give you some relief.

Tim Winders:

So thank you Kevin for all that you do.

Tim Winders:

I appreciate it.

Tim Winders:

For those that are listening in, we are seek Go create.

Tim Winders:

We have new episodes every Monday here.

Tim Winders:

Until next time, continue being all that you are created to be.

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Redefining Success in Leadership, Business & Ministry

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Tim Winders

Tim Winders is a faith driven executive coach and author with over 40 years of experience in leadership, business, and ministry. Through his personal journey of redefining success, he has gained valuable insights on how to align beliefs with work and lead with purpose. He is committed to helping others do the same, running a coaching business that helps leaders, leadership teams, business owners, and entrepreneurs to align their beliefs with their work and redefine success.

In addition to his coaching business, Tim is also the host of the SeekGoCreate podcast and author of the book Coach: A Story of Success Redefined, which provides guidance for those looking to redefine success and align their beliefs with their work. With his extensive background, unique perspective and strengths in strategic thinking, relationship building, and problem-solving, Tim is well-suited to help clients navigate through difficult times and achieve their goals.