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Master Your Morning, Master Your Life: Gail Root's Guide to Cultivating Intimacy with God

Are you a woman who wants to build wealth in a way that aligns with your faith and purpose? Or maybe you're a man who wants to better understand the challenges women face in their pursuit of success? In this episode of Seek Go Create, host Tim Winders sits down with Gail Root, a kingdom-minded coach empowering women to embrace their role as wealth builders. Join them as they discuss the journey of pursuing righteous wealth, the importance of seeking God first, and practical steps for both personal and professional growth. Are you ready to discover how to build wealth in a way that honors your values? Tune in now!

""Seek God first in both personal and professional aspects of life - the impact is transformative." - Gail Root

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About Our Guest:

Gail Root is a seasoned entrepreneur turned kingdom-minded coach, empowering women to align their work with divine purpose. With a focus on building businesses on kingdom values and biblical principles, Gail helps women shift from self-idolatry to Jesus-centered success. Her profound understanding of personal revival and navigating the unique challenges faced by women makes her a sought-after speaker and mentor. Gail's passion for empowering women to embrace their role as wealth builders and her commitment to spiritual growth have inspired countless individuals to pursue righteous wealth.

Reasons to Listen:

1. Discover the keys to building righteous wealth and how women can embrace their role as wealth builders in today's world.

2. Gain insights into the challenges women face in balancing success, faith, and family, and learn practical strategies to navigate these areas with grace and purpose.

3. Explore how a structured morning routine can transform your spiritual growth and lead to greater intimacy with God, with a 6-step system that can revolutionize your life.

Episode Resources & Action Steps:

Resources mentioned:

1. Gail Root's book "Master Your Morning and Change Everything" available on Amazon.

2. Gail's website: gailroot.com

3. Gail's podcast: "Kingdom Dream Chasers"

Action steps:

1. Implement the 6-step system for spiritual growth discussed in the episode: surrender, scripture, vision, reading, journaling, and calendar.

2. Start each day by seeking God first and prioritizing spiritual disciplines before engaging with distractions of the world.

3. Embrace a mindset shift towards working from a place of rest and leading from integrity, aligning with kingdom values in personal and professional pursuits.

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Key Lessons:

1. Embrace the Role of Wealth Building: Gail Root emphasizes the importance for women to embrace their role as wealth builders, pursuing righteousness in their pursuit of wealth.

2. Support Women in Leadership: Tim Winders highlights the need for men to understand and support women in leadership roles, acknowledging the unique challenges they face.

3. Seek Permission and Support: Gail Root discusses the need for permission and support from men for women to fulfill their purpose and minister in different spheres.

4. Shift from Hustle to Rest: Gail Root shares her journey of shifting from a hustle and grind mentality to working from a place of rest and trust, leading to greater success and alignment with God's plan.

5. Embrace Spiritual Disciplines: Gail Root emphasizes the importance of spiritual disciplines such as morning routines and seeking God first, leading to personal growth and a deeper connection with the Lord.

These lessons highlight the importance of aligning our work and pursuits with our divine purpose, supporting women in leadership, embracing rest over hustle, and prioritizing spiritual growth.

Episode Highlights:

Timestamped Episode Highlights:

02:37 Misunderstanding of "kingdom" among Christians and study.

04:32 Shifting focus from self to Jesus's will.

10:25 Men need to understand the situations women face.

11:37 Women in church need support from men.

15:23 Encouraging women to lead, redefine success.

18:42 Kingdom success looks different from Babylonian success.

23:51 Podcast critical of MLMs, faith people discuss.

26:21 Caution clients against false claims, youthful enthusiasm.

29:12 Living in an RV tough, but transformative.

32:57 Importance of journey, gratitude, morning routine evolution.

35:23 Physical and emotional struggles lead to revelation.

40:28 Growing in faith reveals deeper personal shortcomings.

45:47 Struggle in church, seeking structure, faith journey.

48:43 Secret practice revealed, urged to share openly.

50:21 Gail wrote book despite doubts, found determination.

53:12 Seek God's wisdom, humility, and journal.

56:44 Grateful for the Matthew 633 reference, Gail.

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Gail Root:

anybody who's listening right now, this is for you.

Gail Root:

You have something right now in your hands God has given you that

Gail Root:

you can share the world or your world or people in your world.

Tim Winders:

Could your morning routine be the secret to unlocking

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success in business and faith?

Tim Winders:

Welcome to Seek Go Create, where we explore this intriguing possibility

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with Gail Root, a seasoned entrepreneur turned kingdom-minded.

Tim Winders:

Coach Gail has dedicated her life to empowering women to align their

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work with their divine purpose, all starting with the transformative

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power of their morning rituals.

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Join us as we uncover the daily steps that could lead you to a thriving

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business and a deeper spiritual journey.

Tim Winders:

Gail, welcome to Seek Go Create.

Gail Root:

Tim, wonderful.

Tim Winders:

I am glad you're here too.

Tim Winders:

We had a great conversation before we started recording, but

Tim Winders:

I gotta stick with my question.

Tim Winders:

My, my first question, we've just met each other, we're pretending, which

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we have, and I ask you what you do.

Tim Winders:

What do you tell people when they ask you what you do?

Gail Root:

I help women build their businesses on kingdom values.

Tim Winders:

Period.

Gail Root:

Period.

Tim Winders:

All right, so here's my follow-up question, which is what we

Tim Winders:

like when people ask us what we do.

Tim Winders:

My follow-up question would be values.

Tim Winders:

What is that?

Gail Root:

Great question.

Gail Root:

I'm so glad you asked.

Gail Root:

so there are clear biblical values, in scripture, that the Lord has given us

Gail Root:

honoring him, seeking him first, declaring his word in our lives following his word

Gail Root:

when he tells us, I give you my plan.

Gail Root:

I have plans for you to prosper.

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You do not harm you.

Gail Root:

so we are building our businesses on.

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The truth of what God has told us, about our lives instead of

Gail Root:

focusing on circumstances and what the world's paradigm is, say, no, I

Gail Root:

wanna build my business on kingdom values, on biblical principles.

Tim Winders:

So what's interesting, I'm sure that with that message you attract

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a lot of what we would call, we'd call 'em Christians, I'll use that word.

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I'm actually getting where, I don't wanna use that word as much.

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I hate to say

Gail Root:

true story, I tell my part of my story is I tell people that I

Gail Root:

had a Christian to kingdom conversion.

Tim Winders:

that leads right into the question I was gonna have.

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'cause I'm sure, in fact, I know without a doubt that many people that would

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profess to be Christians, that they use that title no idea what we're talking

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about when we use the term kingdom.

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Now I also think that sometimes we throw around jargon within quote

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unquote the followers of Christ, the kingdom that a lot of people

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go, what are y'all talking about?

Tim Winders:

It's like this weird different language, church talk or whatever.

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It's, and the thing that reminds me of Gail, I'll bring this up, is that

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we were at a church 10, 15 years ago that they would throw around that word

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kingdoms like we're a Kingdom church.

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and I was still growing in spiritual like I am today,

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even, you know, 30 years in I'm

Gail Root:

yes.

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going, what do you mean by Kingdom Church?

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And they said it with a little bit of an elitist, like, oh

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well we're, we're kingdom.

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and they're not like

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So as a follow up, I did about a three year study on the Kingdom of

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God, so that I understood it more.

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I spent, I went through every scripture that laid it out and, and so I love having

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conversations about the kingdom, but what would you say to someone who might

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be going, ah, okay, so I'm a Christian.

Tim Winders:

I've been to church, going to church for a long time here.

Tim Winders:

I don't know that I'm quite clear on what Gail said as far as kingdom goes.

Gail Root:

Yeah.

Gail Root:

it's interesting at the heart of, well, first I just, I love hearing that you

Gail Root:

spent three years studying the kingdom.

Gail Root:

I'm like, wow, okay.

Gail Root:

So I'm like literally taking a note.

Gail Root:

note to self, Gail, you need to do some more studying.

Gail Root:

But the heart of what I do, Tim, is helping that exact woman that you're

Gail Root:

describing that clearly identifies as a believer, clearly identifies as Christian.

Gail Root:

and is part of my story checking the boxes, right?

Gail Root:

Am I being a good wife?

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Am I being a good mother?

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Did I go to church?

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Am I in bible study?

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Am I, am I volunteering right?

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Checking all the boxes.

Gail Root:

But what I discovered, and that was my Christian journey um,

Gail Root:

all of the focus was on me.

Gail Root:

I was living this whole life of self idolatry, and I didn't even know it.

Gail Root:

I thought, what do you mean?

Gail Root:

How could I be full of self when I'm trying to make sure I'm being a good

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wife and a good Christian, and a good, volunteer and attending Bible

Gail Root:

study because all the focus was on me.

Gail Root:

And so when, for me, the Christian to kingdom conversion was getting my

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eyes off of myself and onto Jesus.

Gail Root:

And what did, what does Jesus say?

Gail Root:

What does Jesus want me to do today?

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What is Jesus already asked me to do that I'm not honoring?

Gail Root:

And so when I can get my eyes back on him?

Gail Root:

So really the heart of what I do is bring personal revival to women and that's where

Gail Root:

the heart of the book, the Heart of My Morning Practice, it's all about awakening

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us to this amazing life God has for us.

Gail Root:

And.

Tim Winders:

Yeah, because we're in that world system, you'll

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hear me use the term Babylon.

Tim Winders:

To me that's to draw the contrast between that kingdom system and the

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world system, which is all about self.

Tim Winders:

And it's when we talk about success and why it's such a challenging thing.

Tim Winders:

I do wanna ask though, 'cause I'm sure we've got listeners right now.

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We've got some that are male.

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I.

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And then

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that are female that

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they're probably going, okay, is this gonna be a real

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female oriented conversation?

Tim Winders:

No, it's not.

Tim Winders:

Lemme go ahead and say that 'cause there's some principles here that I

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know are apply to all of it, but what are some unique, issues, whatever.

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I mean for those that may not be watching the video, I am a mature white male.

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I'm not a female, so so I'm asking the question, like really wanting to know

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what are some of the unique challenges of women, women in business, women

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that are attempting to achieve and accomplish and also hold on to their

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faith and run families and all that.

Tim Winders:

why women and what's their challenges?

Gail Root:

thank you.

Gail Root:

This is, I think when we step into our purpose, there's usually an element of our

Gail Root:

heart breaks for, and, you're describing the woman you know, and asking that

Gail Root:

question like, who my heart breaks for?

Gail Root:

Why am I a kingdom coach?

Gail Root:

Why does my heartbreak for women who are believers, they love the Lord and they're

Gail Root:

struggling with a few things, usually, and very typically, one, I shouldn't want

Gail Root:

more, I shouldn't really want success.

Gail Root:

And what does the enemy do?

Gail Root:

He takes God's word and he just perverts it just enough, right?

Gail Root:

So should we want more?

Gail Root:

okay, should we be grateful for what we have?

Gail Root:

Of course, we should be grateful for what we have.

Gail Root:

But is it really, did Jesus tell us really to not want more?

Gail Root:

No.

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look at even, I love the conversation Jesus has with the disciples when

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they all wanna be great and he doesn't admonish them, he doesn't spank

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their hands, he doesn't shame them.

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He says, I'll tell you how to be great, be a servant.

Gail Root:

And for the women that I serve, there's a couple areas.

Gail Root:

One is, am I really called to minister in the marketplace?

Gail Root:

I'm a woman.

Gail Root:

Am I really called to minister?

Gail Root:

Well, what does ministering really mean?

Gail Root:

It means giving hope, inspiration, being an example.

Gail Root:

and then the other big area for a lot of women is wealth building.

Gail Root:

and one thing that really gets a lot of, breakthrough for a lot of my

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clients is, and for all of us really in general, but well, there's wealth.

Gail Root:

There's pursuing righteous wealth and pursuing unrighteous wealth.

Gail Root:

Alright.

Gail Root:

And you described that perfectly pursuing unrighteous wealth would be that

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Babylon structure, you know, pursuing righteous wealth, doing it with God so

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that it can be an overflow from you.

Gail Root:

but women often really struggle with the idea that they could be wealth builders.

Gail Root:

And it's really heartbreaking because if you, there's been studies done,

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guess who the number one, when you look at demographics and you ask who

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would be the number one demographic?

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to be the most generous giver, the successful Christian businesswoman.

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So clearly if you put, if God can get money through us,

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he's going to get money to us.

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And so I help women to align with, that God has called them to their business.

Gail Root:

They can minister in the marketplace.

Gail Root:

They can build righteous wealth that pours out and blesses others.

Tim Winders:

I think one of the things that's interesting to me

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about our society, culture, is that we do try to group people together.

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And here we are talking about women and I'm about to ask a question about men.

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So I want to almost apologize for grouping people together because

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this, it's not always a good thing.

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But yet we do see trends, my wife and I, were just having a

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conversation this morning about

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she takes on things in a much different way than I do, and

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they just stick to her.

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And I don't think about it like criticism.

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someone could say something to her and she thinks about it and all that.

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And she even commented to me, she goes, someone can say something about you,

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Tim, and she go, and you actually, I.

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Don't even believe them.

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. And I went, is that bad?

Tim Winders:

She goes, well, maybe sometimes.

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But anyway, I digress.

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I don't wanna go down that path.

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What is it that, that you have seen that men need to know about

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the situations that women are in?

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Because the things you just brought up, I hate to say I'm sitting

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here, but it's almost like you're speaking a foreign language.

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I rolled out of bed at a young age thinking I'm gonna be a business owner.

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gonna go out and make me some money.

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Now I had to get the Lord had to do some work on my heart.

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'cause I

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issues that I had to deal with, but never thought once about

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not being in a leadership role and other things like that.

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I had other things I needed to work on.

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I just wanna be clear on that.

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But, and if you and I are in a boardroom or we are in a meeting room.

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I start talking loud and all that, it's like accepted, but yet you do.

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And it's oh my gosh, what's going on here?

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why are there so many things unique about, is there cultural?

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Is it spiritual?

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Is it, what is it?

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And then I do want us to shift a little bit and talk about,

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the way to, master our mornings.

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But I, I think this is important too.

Tim Winders:

This is foundational.

Gail Root:

Yeah.

Gail Root:

I love this.

Gail Root:

I love this.

Gail Root:

And I do, I love how you honored both men and women by saying, we're making

Gail Root:

some groupings here, but of course, we, none of us fit in any of these molds.

Gail Root:

but I do think, I think it's cultural and spiritual, but I think in the

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church, Tim, I think, and there's a lot of Christian men and I Kingdom men.

Gail Root:

Quite honestly, a lot of kingdom minded men, whether they're pastors,

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not ministers, just prophetic men that are helping women to rise up.

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So when you think of half of the church, half of the body is female.

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And, if we could help women to see that, that God has a purpose and a plan

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for them to minister wherever he's put them, what you know clearly in their

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home, whether they, he's put them in corporate, whether he is put them in

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education, whether he is put them in a volunteer non-profit, a for-profit.

Gail Root:

but there, there seems to be, I don't dunno if this is gonna sound,

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but I'm just gonna say it almost like a level of permission most of

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the women I work with need from the Kingdom men in their life to say yes.

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Daughter of the king go fly, let go of all of the old lies.

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You were born to soar.

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You're a daughter of the king.

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And there's something about when a kingdom man, gives that sense of permission.

Gail Root:

I know.

Gail Root:

I'm probably gonna be rubbing some, making some people really

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uncomfortable using that word.

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and I don't mean it in the literal sense of permission, not that you're

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going and asking someone permission.

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I'm talking about when you hear a Kingdom man speak and through his

Gail Root:

message you awaken to the reality of your identity as a daughter of

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the king, and you are set free.

Tim Winders:

Yeah, the, and that word permission is good, but also

Tim Winders:

the word invite invitation came to mind while you were saying it

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because I don't think, let's group again.

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I don't think us men are used to giving permission or inviting.

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We just do

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Sometimes That's good.

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Sometimes I think what it does and just the conversation with my wife

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this morning, it might even repel or might even come across as a bit of a

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know-It-all I know I've got that in me.

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I have I, I've tried to get it out, but I could walk into a room and I can tell

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you some people that just meet me are gonna go, this guy thinks he knows it all.

Tim Winders:

I think the thing that, that's interesting, Gail, is that

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this has been around forever.

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I was reading in the book of Luke last week, the account of all the women

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that went to the grave to minister to Jesus' body, there was no body there.

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They came running back to the disciples.

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And there is a line in Luke, I don't have the scripture in front of me,

Tim Winders:

but it pretty much says the disciples didn't believe what they said.

Gail Root:

Right,

Tim Winders:

and I'm with my wife going, this has been going on forever.

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This is not new stuff.

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, this is anyway, I do think that just having the conversation helps.

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And one of the things I've been saying all along, and I don't

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know how this works, is that.

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Men have traditionally moved into leadership roles.

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I think we're seeing examples all over that they can't handle it.

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they're not, they don't have enough humility.

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Their egos get in the way, and I think in many situations, including church

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world, that women need to step in.

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So maybe consider this an invitation, if my invitation means anything.

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Lead 'cause men aren't doing that great of a job at it.

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and we need to kinda step back and maybe provide some more support.

Tim Winders:

My question, my next question though, Gail, is how have you, this is kind

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of a redefining success question.

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How have you come to this place?

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Gimme a little bit of, I joke about it all the time, Gail.

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The early years.

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You know how, because you mentioned that you were a check the box.

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I'm sure you're a task person.

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I'm sure you're an achiever.

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You remind me of my wife.

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She's one that wakes up with lists in her head when she wakes up in the morning.

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mastering her morning needs to be probably put the list aside and do other things.

Tim Winders:

But, h how did you arrive at this place you're at now where you're

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working with Kingdom minded women?

Gail Root:

Yeah.

Gail Root:

I love, first of all, your podcast and I've, I love the whole

Gail Root:

concept of, redefining success.

Gail Root:

My early career was defined by exactly what you just said, hustle, grind.

Gail Root:

I purposely, if I was resting, there was something wrong,

Tim Winders:

Did you feel

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guilty?

Tim Winders:

Did you feel guilty if you ever arrested?

Gail Root:

gosh, guilty.

Gail Root:

Absolutely.

Gail Root:

it, not only guilty, but re trying to find thi this is gonna, this

Gail Root:

is gonna sound crazy, trying to find things to do, to rest.

Gail Root:

I literally couldn't just sit.

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So the redefining a success for me today is working from rest, working from a

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place of trust that God's got my bus.

Gail Root:

The business that he is called me to is his.

Gail Root:

He's got it.

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and he wants me to trust that I can do it from a place of rest with him.

Gail Root:

Learn the unforced rhythms of grace, Matthew 1128 through 30.

Gail Root:

And the message translation is such a powerful, translation

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for the kingdom entrepreneur.

Gail Root:

And specifically he says, watch how I do it.

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Walk with me.

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Work with me.

Gail Root:

And so today what I used to do was back to back, to back, to back to back.

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Now when I do that today, I'm like, whoa, something is really off.

Gail Root:

So I purposely put big pieces of space in between appointments and

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they are really, it, first it was very uncomfortable because it felt wasteful.

Gail Root:

It felt wasteful.

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And now what I've discovered is, and because I knew it in my head, but it

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had to travel to my heart, what I've discovered is putting those blocks.

Gail Root:

What I'm saying is, Lord, I trust you.

Gail Root:

You're gonna speak to me in this space.

Gail Root:

You're gonna rejuvenate me in this space.

Gail Root:

You're gonna have me, rest in this space.

Gail Root:

You're gonna help me let go of what I think needs to happen, and you're

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going to show me in the space that I've created what you have for me.

Gail Root:

So I will be more efficient and more effective for having

Gail Root:

rested, having made the space.

Gail Root:

And so when you say redefining success, I mean for me today, do I

Gail Root:

want my business to be successful?

Gail Root:

Of course, I do.

Gail Root:

however, is what's more important me to me today, that my success is

Gail Root:

defined by I can work from rest.

Gail Root:

Today.

Gail Root:

I can be more efficient and more effective, and lead from a place

Gail Root:

of integrity as a kingdom woman.

Tim Winders:

And the interesting thing, this is what I find the more I dig

Tim Winders:

into that, that you just mentioned, is that kingdom success often looks very

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different than that worldly or i'll Babylonian success and it's fascinating

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to me, bring up the hustle and grind.

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I don't know why we've had this theme now for probably going on

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a year here that it is very rare.

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In fact, I, maybe we just don't attract it.

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That we have people that talk about that hustle and grind.

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and I did a solo episode a while back that was titled, Jesus Never Hustled.

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Why Should You?

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And and because as I read the gospels, I see no example of Jesus who had

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the most important mission of anyone who has ever walked this earth.

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never saw a situation where he said, all right guys, come

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on, let's, pull up the tunics.

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We gotta hustle.

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Let's go, let's get going.

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And I'm not saying they were lazy or anything like that.

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That's our puritanical culture.

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We believe something like that.

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But so the hustle culture gripped me the most the nineties, Gail, I was

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in a multi-level marketing business.

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I know you've got background and I know that's who you coach.

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And I wanna have a little bit of a conversation about that

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because now I do also wanna say I was saved in that environment.

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I learned more about how to be a good husband, a father, I learned a

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lot of the communication skills that I have today in that environment.

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I'll, I don't have a problem saying it.

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We were 10 years in the Amway business, the structure, from about 90 to 2000.

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And I learned a ton from it.

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and I actually left BellSouth, we retired from that.

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but here's what I noticed looking back on it, and I'm gonna use

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this as an opening for you to talk about, you know, multi-level

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marketing and things like that.

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And I've got a couple things I want to ask about that that because

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there was never a ceiling in that business, I was never able to rest

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And so I'll just say that and let that hang in the air and you could

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just take that and run with it and, but I know you've got background

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there and I know you, that's one of the primary areas that you coach in.

Tim Winders:

So talk a little bit about that or just respond to what I said and say, Tim.

Gail Root:

Yeah.

Gail Root:

that's so interesting that never a ceiling.

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And that's a really interesting perspective.

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But when you were speaking at the beginning and talking about all that

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you learned there, a couple things.

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One, I do believe the industry's a breeding ground

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for coaches, for mentorship.

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but as I was transitioning out of the industry, I had built

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a couple different businesses.

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One in direct sales and one in, multi-level marketing.

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God called me to coaching.

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He called me to Christian coaching specifically.

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I was literally sitting in church.

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We have a brick and mortar business.

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Our, my three boys were in high school at the time.

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I didn't need another thing to do, nor was I looking for another thing to do.

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And at the time, I was not in the habit of hearing the Lord speak to me directly.

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And I heard the Holy Spirit say to me in the middle of church Christian coaching.

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And I knew there was every, it was a fire was lit.

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Every part of my being was just, and I walked out, I turned to my husband.

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I said, you're not gonna believe what just happened to me in there.

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And normally when I come up with one of my, he would consider it

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hair-brained ideas or whatever.

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he's usually, okay, let's talk about this.

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What's this gonna look like?

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What do you mean?

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And literally out, we weren't even to the car yet.

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We're walking through the parking lot.

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I told him what happened and.

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It's perfect for you.

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And it just was another, you know, powerful confirmation.

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'cause that was, that is not how we normally, it would've been a

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negotiation and a long conversation.

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but as I step into the industry, God shows me that he wants me to stay here.

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Gail, you've been for decades in this industry.

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I want you to stay here and coach my daughters in this industry,

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to build not on hustle and grind, but on my kingdom values.

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And he showed me how the industry, and you described it, Tim, through,

Gail Root:

through what you experienced at Amway, is founded in Biblical principles.

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freedom.

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Why do we come for freedom?

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For freedom?

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We people come flocking to the industry for freedom of time, freedom of income.

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no one's gonna put a ceiling on me.

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No one's gonna tell me I get a three point percent raise at the end of

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the year if I do da, da, da, da, da, personal development, servant

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leadership, multiplication, prosperity.

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these are all the things the industry's founded on.

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And so I literally have an ad running right now on Facebook, and

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it's about how the enemy has had a foothold in this industry for far

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too long, because he knows that if we can really see that God is working

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profoundly in this industry, and you can build on kingdom values in this

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industry, you'll be set free and you'll multiply because that's what God does.

Gail Root:

it's been a really exciting, really exciting journey.

Tim Winders:

what's interesting, I'm gonna go here for a second too.

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I listened to a podcast recently from a friend that, her and someone else were

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being very critical of MLMs and they're, they are faith people of faith, and

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they were talking about the challenges when it comes into a church environment.

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The thing that this with them, sort of, but maybe we could chit

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chat about it here, is that neither one of them had ever been in one.

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I think it's challenging at times when people and I, in one of the

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comments, I said, oh, really?

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I said, yeah, I know that at times there are, this is not a

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bad word, necessarily, cult-like.

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Situations that occur.

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I know they may not be for everyone I know.

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Not everyone may reach levels of success that they desire to blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah, all this stuff.

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We could go through all that.

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However, I was saved in a cossum with 4,000 other people at

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an Amway convention in 1991.

Gail Root:

Yes.

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I.

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Do not think that I would've been saved in a church setting.

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'cause I was not wired to be one of these guys that was gonna pop

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in and out of church that often.

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I'd been going to a church, but it was, I was just going

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for looks and stuff like that.

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And so I think there's power there I don't wanna be all fluffy and all that.

Tim Winders:

There's obviously some challenges and all that.

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What are some of the biggest challenges in that industry that you see that

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people face and all, and even practical things, like they don't do the work.

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is one.

Gail Root:

I think the perception that you're talking about, to hear

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that there were two faith-based women being really critical of

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an industry, it hurts my heart.

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Why?

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Because, let me first go to, why most have that perspective.

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a company in a multilevel and marketing environment, whether

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you're in direct sales, multi, you know, whether you're in wellness,

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whether you're in, clothing, whether you're, in jewelry, doesn't matter.

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Okay.

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they spend millions of dollars on product research, product development.

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And so when they launch a product, they want their Affiliates to

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think this thing is the best thing since sliced bread, right?

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That's their job is to promote it.

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But in that, in so doing, as believers especially, we hear the over hype,

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we hear the overselling, we hear the, there ends up being almost like a lie.

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It feels like there's a lie in it, And I caution my clients all

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the time, don't ever say things like, we have the best ever.

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this is the only thing on the market.

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Do you really know that, that it's the only thing on the market?

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'cause I probably can guarantee you it's probably not.

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and so it's just that at anything that we do.

Gail Root:

There when we start out, I wanna use the word immature, but that's

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not even really fair, but there's a youthfulness to what we're doing.

Gail Root:

An exuberance, right?

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And so really, I think often what you're, and, and that same exuberance makes you

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call somebody again and again, right?

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And you're taught to follow up.

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So those two things right there, give a lot of, justification for people to say,

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Ugh, comes into the church and she's trying to get everybody to, you know,

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all those, all those kind of things.

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But, and I get that, but done well, done Well.

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Oh, it is, it's disciple making.

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And I know that sounds a little dramatic, but I've seen it.

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I've seen it happen over and over again.

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And you experienced it Exactly.

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You experienced it.

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just finding greater purpose, finding greater hope, finding greater inspiration,

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believing that you're not confined to what the world is telling you.

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And you come around a community of people who say, we'll show you how to

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grow, how to develop, how to mature.

Tim Winders:

the great thing about those businesses is that there's typically a

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low barrier to entry, which means that

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truly are open to everyone, which is very democratized,

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whatever word you want to use.

Gail Root:

Yeah.

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The challenge with those businesses is that there's a very low

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barrier to entry . They're open to everyone, which means everyone that can

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step in with their baggage, their fears, their doubts, which is one of the reasons

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why a lot of people could definitely use a coach, maybe even outside their line

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of sponsorship and things like that, is that there's baggage all up and down.

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Someone could be needing an extra 200, 400, $800 a month, like

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they need a breath of fresh air.

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They're looking

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the people sitting on the pews in church and going, you know what?

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I got me somebody.

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I'm gonna, they would be so good.

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And so I get that.

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I actually understand both sides of the equation.

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'cause I've been there.

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But here's the thing.

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I will tell anybody this, the net gain that I have personally had far exceeds

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anything that I could say negative.

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And in fact, I mean my wife right now, we've got essential oils

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all over our, all, all over.

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I'm looking right here at a diffuser.

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Yeah.

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I mean I stubbed my toe yesterday outside 'cause you know it's a tough

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life living in an rv and so I'm bleeding and she goes, here's an oil.

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Just rub it on it and it stopped bleeding and I'm healed this morning.

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So before we get off this one item here, Gail, it's, I know that someone who's

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been on the journey, you've been on.

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Has had a situation that would've been a low point that you had to really

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redefine what success looked like for you.

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and we don't shy away from discussing those.

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I, we don't even call 'em failures truthfully, Gail, because I go

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back to what we went through from oh eight to 13, 14, 15, homeless,

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bankrupt, all that kind of stuff.

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And I look at it now and I'm not, I would not be who I am today if it

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were not for that part of the journey.

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got anything you could share related to that before we start mastering our

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morning and discussing the book and all

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that can help us

Gail Root:

so many of them.

Gail Root:

which one would I pick?

Gail Root:

I think, you, I'm sure you've heard this, but I don't know

Gail Root:

if your listeners have that.

Gail Root:

the industry of direct sales and network marketing is really personal

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development disguised as a business.

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And so certainly my maturing as a Christian, as a leader, as a woman,

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the industry had a massive impact on that as a mother, as a wife.

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but I'll never forget early on, this was just it.

Gail Root:

This just describes this kind of selfish, immature.

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Attitude.

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the company announces a big incentive trip, and it was not

Gail Root:

the normal annual incentive trip.

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It was like the one on steroids, the special thing that they were gonna do.

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So my little sister's, my upline, and she calls me and my boys were

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really young at the time, and she says, so are you gonna go for it?

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And I said, no.

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And she said, why?

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Because I'm typically a carrot chaser and I would typically earn the annual trip.

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I said, because this is so embarrassing because I'm not gonna

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earn it, so why would I go for it?

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And she just sat there and she said, what about all the things that might happen?

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Life just trying to earn it and you being proud of yourself even if you didn't

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earn it, but you were proud of yourself for trying and experiencing everything

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that would happen along the way.

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I literally, I felt like this, just inside of me know, first of

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all is my little sister telling me this, pointing out a clear truth.

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and I felt embarrassed and I felt ashamed.

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And I remember putting the, I can literally tell you exactly where I

Gail Root:

was sitting when this was happening.

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I could almost feel like the sun, the way it was streaming in from the window.

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And I put the, phone down and I just had an epiphany at that moment.

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Gail.

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It's not about that outcome.

Gail Root:

It's not about your performance at the end.

Gail Root:

It's not about if you hit it or not and what people think.

Gail Root:

It's about your journey along the way.

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It's about you saying, yes, God, I will try, I will go for this and I will

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trust that everything that's supposed to happen along the way will be perfect.

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And if it, whatever the outcome is that's in your hands.

Gail Root:

And it was a completely life changing moment for me.

Gail Root:

But that person was adamant before that phone call.

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it was a Holy Spirit moment because before that phone call, I, there was no way I

Gail Root:

was going for it, It was just that self.

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I knew what was best.

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That was not gonna be it.

Gail Root:

I was not gonna go for it.

Gail Root:

It was just that resistant, self-righteous, critical,

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judgmental, performance driven.

Gail Root:

Unwilling to be vulnerable and embarrassed and make a mistake or not earn it.

Gail Root:

All of it all wrapped up in one thing,

Tim Winders:

And the challenge with that is that sometimes don't think we

Tim Winders:

grasp the importance of the journey.

Tim Winders:

We look at life at the, as these events.

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That was one of the

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things I struggled with when we were, doing the Amway structure, was

Tim Winders:

I kept looking at events and, pins and levels and things like that.

Tim Winders:

and I never, especially looking back now, I was hustle and grind.

Tim Winders:

I mean, I was proud of the fact that I slept three, I average three

Tim Winders:

hours a night the entire nineties.

Tim Winders:

And now I think about that and go, what the heck what was I thinking?

Tim Winders:

And all that.

Tim Winders:

But, it's just, I think all that was part of my journey too, going through

Tim Winders:

To get to the place that I am.

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So one of the things that I gathered, and my wife and I have been on this

Tim Winders:

thing the last handful of months of embracing gratitude more and looking

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at, she does some things in the evening.

Tim Winders:

I do some things in the morning and we look at our routines and things like that.

Tim Winders:

And I think, I think part of our morning routine is very important this journey

Tim Winders:

that we're talking about somewhere along the way, either something clicked with

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you or it morphed or transformed or you gradually moved into somewhat of a

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system for what you do in the mornings.

Tim Winders:

When was that and what was going on and how did you begin arriving at what

Tim Winders:

we'll talk about here with the master of your morning, the book that you've got.

Gail Root:

It was about six years ago.

Gail Root:

I was, I believe now God was trying to get my attention and I wasn't listening.

Tim Winders:

Don't you think he's, don't you think he's, always

Tim Winders:

trying to get our attention?

Tim Winders:

I'm coming to the conclusion that I'd like to think, oh, he's got my

Tim Winders:

attention and then I'll talk to him more.

Tim Winders:

He goes, no, I want it more.

Tim Winders:

I want more of your attention.

Tim Winders:

Sorry to interrupt you, but I think he's always trying to do that.

Gail Root:

I love that he's always wanting our attention.

Gail Root:

I literally heard that afterwards, a couple years, even afterwards, I heard the

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Holy Spirit say, Gail, the pace of your life was so loud you could not hear my.

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And that rule one, I didn't believe I could hear his voice.

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So that was my first problem.

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I thought that was for pastors and ministers and missionaries, not for me.

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so believing that God actually does want to speak to me regularly and

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then at the Holy Spirit will reveal, so that was my first thing, but what

Gail Root:

was happening at the time, I was having a lot of physical problems

Gail Root:

and, some nerve pain was one of them.

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A colitis, some gut issues was another one.

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And, some herniations in my neck, some so and because of all of that

Gail Root:

I was emotionally, um, really low.

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'cause I like to move and do, and when you can't, it was really affecting me.

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And so I cried out, God help me.

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And I literally heard the Holy Spirit say.

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I've told you, first he said, you're creating this is self-induced

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anxiety that you're creating.

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And I'd never really heard that before, that you could create.

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I thought all my anxiety was a result of everything that was happening around

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me was all that, if my neck would get better, if the nerve pain would

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go away, if my gut would get better, if my kid would do better, whatever

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it was all outside of me and those were the things causing me anxiety.

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So anyway, I, when I realized this is my choice, I'm choosing,

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this is self-induced anxiety.

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So that was the first thing he told me.

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And the second thing he said um, I have this most amazing life plan

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for you and you're missing it.

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And that was my first window, Tim, into the kingdom life, into

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the belief that Jesus did not just die to give me salvation.

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It was not just an evacuation plan.

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He died to, to give me salvation in eternal life, but to bring his kingdom

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here now and to have his Holy Spirit in all of us and work through it.

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that was my first little window into that.

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So I cried out what do I do?

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And I heard again, I told you what to do and you're not doing it.

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And now that it was the most, it wasn't shame.

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I didn't feel shame.

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It was the most loving voice.

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I didn't feel, like I had been put in the corner.

Gail Root:

you're not doing what you're supposed to be doing, and I

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knew right away seek me first.

Gail Root:

Matthew 6 33 might have, have just been painted across the sky, and seek me first.

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But I knew that he meant literally every morning when you wake up.

Gail Root:

When you start those wheels turning, I want you to put those feet on the floor

Gail Root:

and I want you to come seek me first.

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I want you to honor me first.

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Seek me first.

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Listen, not pray, not read your devotionals, not read my

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word, because guess what, Tim?

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I was even Dr.

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I was directing that.

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I was directing that.

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So it was sit and be silent and seek him first.

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And so then from this, these steps started developing.

Gail Root:

And what did I want to do first?

Gail Root:

I wanted my checklist first.

Gail Root:

So it became the last thing I did in the morning

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

That's what Gloria will would do.

Tim Winders:

My wife Gloria, she would that checklist, in fact, if she actually did anything that

Tim Winders:

wasn't on her checklist, she would put it on the list so she could check it off.

Tim Winders:

So the first step, as I read through the book, which is a great book,

Tim Winders:

by the way, master Your Morning and, we can talk some about that.

Tim Winders:

The first step relates to what you just said.

Tim Winders:

I think it's surrender.

Tim Winders:

Is that right?

Tim Winders:

And I perceive if I am wrong, Gail, you correct me and you correct me with vigor,

Tim Winders:

but I perceive that you are one that you like to control things as much as you can

Tim Winders:

and you like to be in charge and control.

Tim Winders:

And that's not a bad thing.

Tim Winders:

I think it's the way many people are successful in, we'll

Tim Winders:

call it that world system.

Tim Winders:

What's interesting, it's the opposite in the kingdom, and I think

Tim Winders:

that's where a lot of us struggle.

Tim Winders:

but

Tim Winders:

how difficult is it for someone who likes to control, and again, if

Tim Winders:

I'm, if I'm wrong on that, you're nodding, for those that can't

Tim Winders:

see the video, she's nodding for.

Tim Winders:

For someone that has high on the control scale to begin their morning

Tim Winders:

with surrender, how tough is that?

Gail Root:

toughest thing I do every day.

Gail Root:

Most humbling thing I do every day, every morning.

Gail Root:

I like to say you're a hundred percent I'd like to say that over the past

Gail Root:

30 years I've walked, a, I've walked out of a lot of that pit of control.

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'cause it's basically fear.

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Fear that it's not gonna go the way I think it needs to go and, or I'm not

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gonna do, or someone else is not gonna do.

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And I've, over time let the Lord show me how hurtful that is to my

Gail Root:

life, my marriage, my relationship with my children, all the things.

Gail Root:

trying to really play God is what I'm doing.

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And but, Yes, it's clearly still there.

Gail Root:

the point of the book is to grow in your intimacy with the Lord, grow

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in your ability to hear his voice.

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And I think I sort of thought as I started to really like, develop this

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ear that was grew in confidence that I was really hearing from the Lord

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and I'm, it's not perfect every day.

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nothing like that.

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But, I would've told you that my guess would've been, that I

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would've been seeing myself more.

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I'm going to be a little silly here, but, walking more into Saint, walking

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more into spiritual maturity, noticing more spiritual fruit and all while that

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is indeed true, what I was shocked to discover is the closer I get to Jesus.

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The more clear my defects are, the things that I need to work on are my

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need for him becomes even clearer.

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I thought that as I got closer to him, I wouldn't, that my neediness, my brokenness

Gail Root:

would be getting cleaned up, and the irony has been, as I've gotten closer to

Gail Root:

him, had more spiritual fruit in my life.

Gail Root:

Often I'm more clear than ever of the parts of me that need to

Gail Root:

be laid down and worked on Still.

Tim Winders:

Gosh.

Tim Winders:

the fascinating thing about that is I'm sitting here thinking, I, I think

Tim Winders:

especially in the culture we're in, maybe it's, see, I have this theory that

Tim Winders:

most of our modern church circles have, this is a bad word for a lot of people.

Tim Winders:

They have the Prosperity Gospel built into them, and the prosperity

Tim Winders:

Gospel to me is I get saved.

Tim Winders:

I start doing some things with Jesus, and my life's gonna be awesome.

Tim Winders:

I.

Tim Winders:

When what you brought up, you know, it is perfect.

Tim Winders:

We'll use the word perfected, but it's really fascinating

Tim Winders:

because I'm the same way.

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The closer I get to him, the more I see my flaws and the

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see that the only way those flaws can be dealt with is to

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continue getting closer to him.

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And so what that leads us to is continuing the process.

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don't back it up and keep going down this process, which you've obviously

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developed as a morning routine.

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Does it have to be in the morning?

Gail Root:

So great question.

Gail Root:

I have this gets asked a lot.

Gail Root:

are there beautiful spiritual disciplines and fruit that comes

Gail Root:

from being reflective in the evening or, in the middle of the day?

Gail Root:

Of course.

Gail Root:

but for me, the, the concept here is will I make him first?

Gail Root:

So the world wants me to grab my phone, check my notifications, how many e you

Gail Root:

know, the emails that came in, the texts that came in, the messages that came in,

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look at my, my, my calendar for the day.

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And I'm already spinning.

Gail Root:

I'm already leading and falling back into that control space

Gail Root:

and controlling all the things.

Gail Root:

And I literally will hear the Lord sometimes say, are.

Gail Root:

In just this like kid-like delight, like way, come to me first Gail.

Gail Root:

And and then some people will say, Gail, I'm not an early

Gail Root:

riser, or I work the night shift.

Gail Root:

guess what?

Gail Root:

We all have a morning whenever your morning is.

Gail Root:

The concept really is just, will we honor him by making him first?

Tim Winders:

And then the second kind of, I don't know if it's

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counter or something like that.

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I was actually, I was actually, as I was reading the book last night and

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kind of finishing it up, I was laying there next to my wife and she was

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doing bible study and things like that.

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And I said, let me, let me run some six steps by you.

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I'm gonna be talking to Gail tomorrow.

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and, and so my wife, who is a great counter for my rigidity,

Tim Winders:

I am very habit forming and at times I should be more flexible.

Gail Root:

Yes.

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was her comment, and I'm sure you hear this

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seems a bit strict

Gail Root:

Yes.

Tim Winders:

and.

Tim Winders:

And then we had this great conversation that I'll share more with you in

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just a moment, but when someone says, Ooh, six steps, 10 minutes each, or

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whatever the timeframe is, how do you respond when someone says that?

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And I'll tell you, I'll tell you the rest of our conversation after you tell me.

Gail Root:

Yeah.

Gail Root:

So I think that, my, my first response usually is, and people will ask that

Gail Root:

question in the same, asking the same thing, but in, in different ways.

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and my response usually is, listen, if what you're doing right now.

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Is growing your intimacy with the Lord, growing your ability to hear

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his voice bringing more fruit.

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Peace, joy, trust, hope, keep doing what you're doing.

Gail Root:

But if it's not, will you just try?

Gail Root:

Will you just try and see what might he, what he might have here for you?

Gail Root:

Because clearly he's a God of order.

Gail Root:

He's a God of order.

Gail Root:

He's not a god of rigidity.

Gail Root:

So it's not for you to, to clinging to this and say, oh, I'm following

Gail Root:

and I do it, and make this an idol.

Gail Root:

No, it's not that at all.

Gail Root:

It's just having this as a path.

Gail Root:

I found that I sat in church for years, Tim, wanting to cry out,

Gail Root:

but never had the courage to do it.

Gail Root:

Listen to some powerful, incredible sermons about growing closer, to

Gail Root:

the Lord about hearing his voice.

Gail Root:

And I wanted to cry out from the depth of my heart, but how I read his word.

Gail Root:

I read devote, but how I just didn't feel like there was.

Gail Root:

and so really this, it, this came born from my own cries, my own needs.

Gail Root:

and yes, if you tend to be more structured, this will

Gail Root:

be more comfortable for you.

Gail Root:

If you tend to be less structured, this could be uncomfortable.

Gail Root:

Sometimes people who are unstructured need the structure, but I, what I would usually

Gail Root:

say is, listen, give it six months.

Gail Root:

Give it six months.

Gail Root:

Ask God, show me the fruit in this.

Gail Root:

Surprise me Lord.

Gail Root:

and then say to him, okay, now you know me, Lord, so help me to change this.

Gail Root:

So it's more in, in what I need.

Gail Root:

so that's usually how I handle, handle that.

Tim Winders:

and I love the answer because in the back and forth that

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I had with Glory, it was something to the effect of, first of all,

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if someone's doing nothing, I.

Tim Winders:

What a great system.

Tim Winders:

What a great, and I wanna say the book was such a nice, quick, simple read.

Tim Winders:

yeah.

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And we'll talk more about the pro.

Tim Winders:

yeah.

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I mean it was just, it was really quick and I'm going, oh wow, that's,

Tim Winders:

and I was reading I think APDF version that I have from y'all, and it was

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just like, wow, this is, 'cause sometimes when I'll sit down, I'm like,

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okay, I've gotta have a lot of time.

Tim Winders:

And I'm going, wow, this is very refreshing.

Tim Winders:

And here's the reason why I like that.

Tim Winders:

Because general, someone who is not blocking time to do the things they need

Tim Winders:

to do with the Lord, probably time is at a premium for them, the conversation

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that Gloria and I had was, you know what, for someone who hasn't started, who's

Tim Winders:

not doing anything, this is perfect for them to get moving and get going along.

Tim Winders:

For someone like me or Gloria who's doing things, this is a reminder.

Tim Winders:

'cause the step that I probably miss is that surrender.

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And so this morning when I got up and I started, what I usually do, I didn't

Tim Winders:

totally go through the system, but you know what I said, Lord, I'm just gonna

Tim Winders:

pray in the spirit for a little while.

Tim Winders:

I'm just gonna sit here before I jump into my scripture.

Tim Winders:

'cause I usually jump into my scripture.

Tim Winders:

I thought that was phenomenal.

Tim Winders:

At what point did you say, oh, this is not just good, it needs to be shared with

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the world, so I need to write about it.

Gail Root:

Oh, that, that thought never really came.

Gail Root:

So what actually happened in the, in right when Covid was breaking out?

Gail Root:

So we're at March of 2020.

Gail Root:

I had been practicing for about three years, and it was extremely personal.

Gail Root:

I barely, my husband knew that, and my kids knew that mom went to her chair in

Gail Root:

the morning and I had my time at my chair.

Gail Root:

But I really didn't talk to people about what I did during that time.

Gail Root:

clearly they knew my Bible was there, a journal was there, but that was about it.

Gail Root:

So I'm listening to a Kingdom coach say, you have something right now,

Gail Root:

and I'm telling, I'm anybody who's listening right now, this is for you.

Gail Root:

You have something right now in your hands God has given you that

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you can share the world or your world or people in your world.

Gail Root:

And I'm sitting there going, Uhuh, no, I don't.

Gail Root:

Just that again, that resistance that came up, but as the conversation kept going

Gail Root:

on, I knew it was these six steps, but the thought of sharing them was, who am I?

Gail Root:

Who am I?

Gail Root:

Just, So I reached out to a hundred women now back, so I've got my direct sales

Gail Root:

and network marketing background, right?

Gail Root:

And so I knew how to reach out to people.

Gail Root:

So I said, Hey, listen.

Gail Root:

God has given me something.

Gail Root:

I've been practicing it in the mornings.

Gail Root:

It's a spiritual tool.

Gail Root:

It's grown in my intimacy with the Lord.

Gail Root:

I'm going to be sharing it.

Gail Root:

I'm gonna do a little weekly challenge on Zoom for a week.

Gail Root:

And if you're interested, here's a link.

Gail Root:

and so that, so I started running Challenges on the Master Your Morning,

Gail Root:

and I did that for a couple years.

Gail Root:

And then through that people would say, Gail, you need to put this in a book.

Gail Root:

And I was like, ah, ha.

Gail Root:

yeah.

Gail Root:

and so I knew though, probably after a couple years that the Lord

Gail Root:

was calling me to put it in a book and, avoided and put it off again.

Gail Root:

All those old voices of perfectionism or what are people gonna say or what

Gail Root:

are people, and it's and I just had to, Gail, are you gonna lay it all

Gail Root:

down and do what I've asked you to do?

Gail Root:

So I literally, right before Christmas, it was almost a year ago, I rented

Gail Root:

this little cabin in the woods.

Gail Root:

It was like $45 at a, at a.

Gail Root:

Catholic, on a big Catholic property here in town where I live, they have

Gail Root:

these little cabins you can rent for the weekend, like $15 a day.

Gail Root:

And, I grabbed my computer, carted it through the woods, set

Gail Root:

it up, and just wrote for, 10 hours a day until it was done.

Gail Root:

Really.

Gail Root:

and I had help, I had to help with editing and all of that, but, but

Gail Root:

yeah, but it was not, it was a kicking and screaming a little bit inside,

Gail Root:

having to work through some of those fears that wanted to creep back up.

Tim Winders:

And, obviously phenomenal results that come from it.

Tim Winders:

We have a few minutes here.

Tim Winders:

I Is it possible, and if you can't do this, that's fine.

Tim Winders:

Is it possible for you to hit each of the six steps real quickly and then

Tim Winders:

you could just kind of go into where people can find the book and all of that

Tim Winders:

and then we'll, we will wrap up here.

Tim Winders:

Just, I've got it pulled up here on my Kindle, but just I, quickly, if you

Tim Winders:

do it every morning, I can guarantee you could probably, maybe just what

Tim Winders:

it is, quick sentence and then, and then where people can find the book.

Gail Root:

Absolutely.

Gail Root:

So the first step is surrender.

Gail Root:

it's being quiet, listening to the Lord.

Gail Root:

not praying, not, everything's a prayer, but, just listening.

Gail Root:

Listening.

Gail Root:

And I, what I'll do during this is I'll say, I hear you, Lord.

Gail Root:

I hear you Lord.

Gail Root:

And it's just that declarative statement that I am confirming you

Gail Root:

are who you say you are, which say you wanna speak to your people.

Gail Root:

And I am here listening.

Gail Root:

I may not hear you right in this moment, but I will hear you today through

Gail Root:

someone else, through something else.

Gail Root:

You'll, you are speaking to me.

Gail Root:

step two is scripture going to his word.

Gail Root:

Sometimes I'm literally, almost, I could fall off my chair sometimes at a location

Gail Root:

in scripture that he takes me to that sometimes it doesn't seem relevant at all.

Gail Root:

And then later in the day or later something will happen

Gail Root:

or, it will be for someone.

Gail Root:

That sometimes is really wonderful.

Gail Root:

Or it'll take me somewhere.

Gail Root:

And it literally, I had an Acts 22, 2 was an example one day that just blew my mind.

Gail Root:

It was something in my coaching program I was struggling with, trying

Gail Root:

to find a biblical principle around.

Gail Root:

And boom, it is like he dropped it in my lap.

Gail Root:

So scriptures number two.

Gail Root:

Number three is vision, but it's God's vision.

Gail Root:

What is God's being able to say, okay, God, I'm struggling in my marriage today.

Gail Root:

Show me as the wife that you see me as Lord, through your eyes.

Gail Root:

Show me what I look like.

Gail Root:

Forgiving, loving, encouraging, affirming my husband, not who I want,

Gail Root:

who I'm right, but who you see me as.

Gail Root:

And it is, it's powerful to ask the Lord that question in any

Gail Root:

area of your life, in my health.

Gail Root:

on and on, step four.

Gail Root:

Is reading.

Gail Root:

And this is just a step of humility to say, I think sometimes I think I

Gail Root:

know everything and I clearly don't.

Gail Root:

So it might be in my fi, I might be struggling in my finances, I

Gail Root:

might be struggling in my health.

Gail Root:

I might.

Gail Root:

So I grab a book and I just spend, 15 minutes, 10 minutes reading um, just,

Gail Root:

and I get just a nugget of what I need.

Gail Root:

Step five is journaling.

Gail Root:

This is an opportunity to go deeper with the Lord.

Gail Root:

Lord.

Gail Root:

why am I feeling resistant about this today?

Gail Root:

Why am I feeling afraid about this today?

Gail Root:

or, Lord, I'm feeling so incredibly grateful today.

Gail Root:

I'm just praising you today for, but whatever it is, it's that opportunity to

Gail Root:

go deeper with that pen in hand and that deeper relationship asking questions.

Gail Root:

and then the last step is the calendar.

Gail Root:

And it's looking at the calendar from a kingdom perspective and saying.

Gail Root:

I don't care about all my lists, Lord, all my check marks.

Gail Root:

I wanna know what you want me to do today.

Gail Root:

What is most important from your, and sometimes it'll be I'll get something.

Gail Root:

It might be for my son, it might be for a client, it might be for my husband.

Gail Root:

And I never would've, it wouldn't, it was nowhere on my radar to do or

Gail Root:

think, And it's just something like, clearly, Lord, this is from you and I

Gail Root:

will be obedient and I will do that.

Gail Root:

So those are the six steps.

Tim Winders:

Excellent.

Tim Winders:

So where can people find the book and or connect with you?

Tim Winders:

Go ahead and give us all of that information here.

Tim Winders:

I've got one more question for you before we wrap up.

Gail Root:

Alright, good.

Gail Root:

Amazon, it's master your morning and change everything.

Gail Root:

it's a bunch of, as Tim already said, it's a bunch of testimonials.

Gail Root:

and that's a whole story around that.

Gail Root:

But, it's a very how to.

Gail Root:

and growing your intimacy with the Lord.

Gail Root:

gail root.com.

Gail Root:

I'm G-A-I-L-R-O-O-T, gail root.com.

Gail Root:

I'm 56, so I'm a facebooker.

Gail Root:

most of my clients are in the second half of life, and so you

Gail Root:

can find me on Facebook and, podcast Kingdom Dream Chasers.

Gail Root:

yeah.

Gail Root:

But if you go to gail root.com, you'll find I think pretty

Gail Root:

much all of those things.

Tim Winders:

I was on the road last week and I powered through

Tim Winders:

about four or five episodes.

Tim Winders:

Great podcast.

Tim Winders:

I enjoyed listening to it, even though I may not be your

Tim Winders:

target, but, but I enjoyed it.

Tim Winders:

It's a great resource.

Tim Winders:

I, I like the fact that there's some real short, digestible

Tim Winders:

topics and episodes and all that.

Tim Winders:

Tim said that as he's at the one hour mark of this interview that we're at on our

Tim Winders:

podcast, . So anyway, Gail, we are seek, go create those three words right there.

Tim Winders:

I'm gonna let you choose one of those that resonates, means more to

Tim Winders:

you than the other two right now.

Tim Winders:

And why?

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It's my final question.

Gail Root:

I could make a case for all three of 'em, Tim, and I love the name.

Gail Root:

but it has to be seek.

Gail Root:

it has to be seek.

Gail Root:

That has been the heart of, and it's really, I think I've always been a seeker.

Gail Root:

but not seeking him first, not making him first over everything.

Gail Root:

My day, my life, my marriage, my business.

Gail Root:

so seeking him first.

Tim Winders:

Yeah.

Tim Winders:

That's

Tim Winders:

And you probably know you referenced Matthew 6 33 earlier

Tim Winders:

that was the root of that.

Tim Winders:

That is the, first mention of the Kingdom of God in the New Testament.

Tim Winders:

In fact, if you go through all the scriptures and so powerful there.

Tim Winders:

Gail, thank you for the conversation.

Tim Winders:

I love . Having these conversations just to expand my mind, but also

Tim Winders:

to check myself and allow the listener to just check in on things.

Tim Winders:

So the book is Master Your Morning and Change Everything.

Tim Winders:

I think that's the tagline to it.

Tim Winders:

Go check that out.

Tim Winders:

Go check out the podcast too.

Tim Winders:

I think it's a good compliment if you've been listening in here.

Tim Winders:

There's a lot of great principles and all there.

Tim Winders:

So we have new episodes here every Monday at Seek Go Create.

Tim Winders:

Until next time, continue being all that you were created to be.

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Redefining Success in Leadership, Business & Ministry

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Tim Winders

Tim Winders is a faith driven executive coach and author with over 40 years of experience in leadership, business, and ministry. Through his personal journey of redefining success, he has gained valuable insights on how to align beliefs with work and lead with purpose. He is committed to helping others do the same, running a coaching business that helps leaders, leadership teams, business owners, and entrepreneurs to align their beliefs with their work and redefine success.

In addition to his coaching business, Tim is also the host of the SeekGoCreate podcast and author of the book Coach: A Story of Success Redefined, which provides guidance for those looking to redefine success and align their beliefs with their work. With his extensive background, unique perspective and strengths in strategic thinking, relationship building, and problem-solving, Tim is well-suited to help clients navigate through difficult times and achieve their goals.