We have free will because people have to choose to want to change.
People have to choose to want to change
their situation, their environment,
their thoughts, their behaviors,
their actions, their relationships,
their financial status, whatever.
There has to be a shift in choice.
So if you're ready to, if you're
tired of being hopeless and cause
the good news is there is hope.
Tim Winders: This is Tim Winders I am an
executive coach and I'd like to welcome
you to the Seek Go Create podcast.
This is where we challenge the
conventional definitions of success.
We like to bust them up at times too.
And we explore stories of transformation
in leadership, business, and ministry.
All of those will be part of
what we're talking about today.
I have the privilege of
interviewing Mamika Cooney.
She's a renowned faith based
Christian mindset, author and speaker.
And I saw somewhere where she's
known as a personal trainer for
your mind, which is really cool.
She's got a passion for empowering
purpose driven individuals.
She combines neuroscience, positive
psychology and faith based principles
to help individuals rewire their minds.
And I love that term rewire.
let's have a fun conversation.
Mimika, welcome to Seek Go Create.
Mimika Cooney: thanks for having me.
I'm so excited to be here.
I love these conversations,
especially with a bunch of go
getters who are, going somewhere.
So this is going to be super fun.
Tim Winders: I think that's the
power of this, if people were jumping
in here to be entertained and all
that, I don't think that's where
we're going with this conversation.
This is to, press some buttons
and get some people thinking.
So let's get started.
Let's, let's do this little
pretend thing either.
while I'm out on the
road, I live in an RV.
I don't know if I told you that when
we got started, this is an RV behind
me and my wife and I travel full time
while I'm traveling, or I pop in and
out of North Carolina where you're at.
And I just bump into you and we
meet and I ask you what you do.
What's your answer when
someone asks you what you do?
Mimika Cooney: when someone asks me what
I do, I love to trigger the conversation
with something that goes like, I am
your personal trainer for your mind.
And it's a tagline I developed a while
ago, cause I was thinking, how do
I put this in a way that people can
understand, especially when you talk
about mindset, cause it can seem a
little ethereal and everyone knows if
you have a personal trainer and you're
going to the gym and you want to get
fit, what does the personal trainer do?
So if we on this seek, go create for,
I'm sure there's no surprises is which
one I'm going to pick because I'm all
about in, encouraging others to challenge
themselves to set a path and a goal.
And I make no excuses or apologies for
pushing you to out of your comfort zone.
So I love to press buttons Some people
call me the fire starter or the trigger,
cause I'm really happy to push people
To realize so they can get to where
they really believe and really just, I
know potential is such an overused word,
but I think that's a lot is untapped.
So yes, I would call myself the
personal trainer for your mind.
Tim Winders: that's good.
I like that tagline because it
does get you thinking in it.
And it probably, I think here's
the thing that's interesting.
If someone doesn't follow up
with, tell me more, that tells
you a lot about them, doesn't it?
Mimika Cooney: Exactly.
So the whole idea is if this was an
elevator conversation and you'd have to
tell you what I do, the fact is that you
would associate the actions of a personal
trainer and you know what that goes with.
So I don't even have to explain myself.
It just is pretty much there, but what
really opens conversation is, and this
is what I love and what I'm so excited
about that you're doing in the faith
based community is really talking
about the mind, because I think it's
part of the process that we haven't
necessarily been taught in church
to actually how do we walk this out.
And to me, I'm a walking
billboard for Romans 12 too,
which is renew your mind daily.
And I'm like, okay, I
take that as a command.
If God says I need to do that,
it's like I shower every day.
we're advised to exercise every
day and take care of our physical
health, but why not our mental health?
So that's why I'm on a
mission to do what I do today.
Tim Winders: So Mamika, one thing that's
fascinating, I was about to go and have
a conversation about South Africa and
all that, but I'm going to pause that.
One thing that's fascinating for me, and
I've been, I was hard charging business
guy before I became a follower of Christ.
so I was already into personal
development and things like that.
But there is a bit of a, Something
that I observed, so I'm going to ask it
and let you respond to it, that a lot
of people have this thought that they
make a decision to follow Christ, be
saved, whatever, salvation experience,
whatever term people use for that
experience, and they have this thought
that everything in their life is going
to change for the better, and they're
not going to think certain thoughts
anymore, or, sinful thoughts, whatever.
and what I'm hearing you say, and I agree
with it, is that's not always the case.
Why is there the need for people that have
been reborn to, to renew their mind daily?
Mimika Cooney: it's a very good question
because, God's word says he gives
us the instructions of how to live.
But, and this is unfortunately,
we've been taught through this
religious lens that, you come to
Jesus and everything will be fine.
And I'm like, I've been walking
with Jesus since I was 10 and
I have him and I have a close
relationship, but he's also practical.
he's practical in the terms of
his, how do you walk out your faith
sitting in on a pew on a Sunday just
doing the thing, ticking off the
box and saying, I went to church.
And then going back to your usual life,
living in, in disappointment and sickness
and all the negative things we live in.
And I think that's why God gets a
bad rap, because he's hello people.
I've given you the tools,
like you come to the Lord.
And the great thing about that
is then we now have our soul.
And our spirit and our body, but
our spirit is renewed at salvation.
But what we are not taught
is that the soul needs work.
The soul is the mind,
the will, the emotions.
We are still a human being.
And in that being, we
have to put some work in.
So just like we say, alluding to
the fact is if you want to be fit.
You've got to put the exercises in and
you've got to do the work and it's going
to involve some blood, sweat and tears.
And sometimes, and I should
say often you're going to be
pushing up against resistance
because that's the way we wired.
So we could have a whole conversation
about how the, what the brand works
and, marrying how neuroscience is
finally catching up with the Bible.
But what I'd like to invite people to say.
As we dive into this conversation, just
to have an open mind that even if you've
been in church or your life, I've, I
was too, there were a lot of things we
were taught that made us fearful and
closed our minds to actually hearing
what God's trying to say, because the
world itself has taken what God's.
desire and twisted it.
So there's a lot of new, evidence
that's being, being revealed
in the area of neuroscience.
And it's not something to shy away from.
some people have a love hate
relationship with personal development,
but I always say, God gives us
an instruction to do something.
He's going to give us the tool.
So how about we just go to work
and do it and realize it does
involve us putting in the efforts.
It all goes back to action again.
So yeah, definitely more layers
to this and we can go into
Tim Winders: It is.
and I think one of the things, and I'm
pretty confident if someone's listening
in here that they have the belief that
they can change and make adjustments.
And I think I read somewhere you
mentioned, teaching old dogs, new tricks.
And, I think I saw related life.
You decided to figure skate, which
we'll maybe talk about that later
because a lot of people, they have this.
I think Dweck, Dweck calls it a fixed
mindset where they believe that whatever
they've got at the age of 18, that's
where they are for the next 30, years.
And I'm pretty confident that
you and I don't believe that way.
And I'm pretty confident that the
listener does, but I do think people get.
Tripped up along the way and I think
that's the value of, the book that you
wrote and all that we're going to talk
about here, but before I get too much
farther, I do want to talk a little
bit about how you came to be here.
we do need to cover the accent here.
People know I'm from the South and I,
it comes out every once in a while.
You are also from the South,
but a different South.
Tell us a little bit about Mimika
Mimika Cooney: Well, I'm
originally from South Africa, so
I'm way South way Southern tip.
I was born and raised in
Johannesburg, South Africa.
both my husband and I met and married
and, Started our lives and businesses
in South Africa and, people always
ask me, so how did you get to America?
I'm like, on an airplane, duh.
But besides that, the whole intention
of being here was he has been, we've
worked in the internet business since 95.
I'm dating myself here.
And, South Africa is a known for
its forward thinking terms of.
Being on the world stage because of
its past, but we found the opportunity
and definitely was God led that
brought us to the USA and we've been
here since 2006, but I don't lose
my accent because it's where I was
born and raised and learned language.
and what I love about that is it just
gives me a different perspective.
half of my family are in England.
We actually lived in
England for six years.
So my husband and I have gone through,
the wilderness on the walls of
establishing four different companies
and two and three continents.
So we are not afraid of taking risk, of
trying things that are hard, persistence,
grit, determination, all the things.
yeah, And I just, I love
having these conversations.
I'm naturally curious about where people's
origin stories are because I believe,
God's writing our story every day.
So it's just, it's great when you
connect the dots and you can see
that there's like mindedness and it
doesn't really matter where we are.
Tim Winders: the origin story
goes into the, we'll use the word
programming of our mind and sometimes
even emotions and things like that.
Are there any, I've actually visited,
let's see, it was the late nineties, I
think I visited South Africa multiple
times with some business and Cape
Town is one of the most beautiful
cities in the world, I believe.
Been to Port Elizabeth and Johannesburg,
I think, which is where you're from.
And I think South Africa is a
beautiful country, but what I
wanted to ask was culturally.
Many times we're a product of a lot
of culture, and I'd love for you to
contrast or, give some differences
that you observed when you came from
that Culture that is South Africa.
And then you came to, I think you
came to the Southern U S but, what
are some things that are differences?
Because I think it's part of
what people have to do when they
start unsticking their mind.
They have to know a little bit
about their origin to make some
adjustments and corrections.
Do you agree with that?
Mimika Cooney: Definitely.
I'm excited about this question because
no one's actually asked me, but I think
it's such an integral part of how our
brains are wired, how we are made,
because a lot of our mental programming
comes from how we were raised, especially
the first 10 years of our life lives.
And to me, it is a great
observation that I've made.
So I've lived, in South, we
were born and raised in South
Africa and then lived in England.
And it's, there's a different culture
too, and then moved to the USA.
So I have a great way of looking
at assessing and there's always,
good and bad and everything.
There's no perfect place.
Let me put it this way.
No country has it all together.
Pros and cons of each, what I've realized
is we can learn from our past, but it
doesn't mean we're stuck in our past.
So an example, if we go back to the way
I was raised in South Africa, I was born
in the seventies, raised in the eighties.
So I went through apartheid and in
actual fact, my last year in high
school was the year Mandela came
to power and we lived in a very.
Unstable political environment.
Like they even canceled classes.
And my situation was, I didn't actually go
to college because colleges were closed.
They were, there was civil unrest.
There was a lot of fear.
people were getting
murdered in the streets.
that sense of, Oh my
gosh, there's no hope.
What do we do?
as a young South African
finishing school, So we
had this goal of, we, we just didn't
feel like this is where the opportunities
would be for us, especially for
our, our family as we were moving
forward and we'd realized we.
We couldn't just sit in a corner and
cry, and this is why South Africans,
if you know us, we're tough because
things are not given to us on a platter.
We have to fight for what's ours.
We don't have free medical.
We don't have, free deliveries.
you either, you get up
and work or you starve.
There's no other option.
The disparity between those
who have and have not is huge.
I'm sure if you've visited.
There's a lot of poverty just out on
the street and you're exposed to that.
And I was raised as you better be
grateful for what you have, and you
better just pull up your socks and
stop complaining there's someone
else who's worse off than you.
And you need to count your blessings,
but you have to work for it.
Nothing is given to you.
And I think that's why we
have this innate work ethic.
That's no matter what we are going to
push through, that's built in grit.
And I just thought everybody was the same.
But I'd realized as I'd gone to
different countries now, England
as well has its own things.
There's a, I consider America
and Europe first world.
because, things like Amazon works, you
can, internet works, running water works.
and I'd realized it's again, the mindset,
like to compare and contrast the mindset
I was shocked by in England was a lot
of this, this apathy towards action.
So it's, again, England is an old society,
it's a beautiful country and there's
a lot going for it, but people aren't
given, there isn't like that need for,
you've got to get up and feed yourself.
Which is fine.
And it works because, for example,
there's the national health system,
which they've seemed to perfect it.
And it works great.
Then of course, coming to America
was another cultural shock because
going from South Africa and England,
America is 10 times the size.
So in terms of the business sense, what my
husband and I were really shocked with is.
The amount of competition, you think
you have a great idea until you come to
America, you try and make it in America
and you realize you're one of many.
And your idea is an original
and you are seen as a foreigner.
But at the same time, what I
love about Americans, they are
very welcoming to foreigners.
It's like everybody, if you think
about it, our history, our heritage,
our generations, Americans.
are similar to South
Africans, that we're pioneers.
If we look at our generations
past, like who were our, ancestors
going, 100 or 200 years, these were
people who were freedom fighters.
They wanted more.
They went to the new land.
They were ready to discover new horizons.
They were ready to put
themselves through hard stuff.
So I think we're all made.
Of grit, right?
We all have it in us, but sorry to
say the society has made us soft.
We live in an instant society.
We have an app for this and
we have a microwave for that.
And we have an 24, 24 seven
deliveries and open shops and,
Amazon deliveries within four hours.
we've become spoiled.
And unfortunately that
creates apathy again.
And, and without really having that desire
and that need to know, I need to work
for something or want these, it's almost
like the husband and I talk about this.
You need struggle because
struggle is resistance, right?
It's like going to the gym again.
If the weights are too easy to lift,
they're not going to do you any good.
It's when you press in and you come
up against the hard and you realize
what you're actually made of by
pushing against those comfort zones,
by pushing against those resistance.
That is when the real magic happens.
To summarize your question, there are
a lot of contrasting differences, but
again, at the same, we are all human
and we all have this desire for more.
And especially for us with, who,
what I call compass based on faith.
I know for me personally, I want to
do what God has designed me for, and
I want to really slot into pursuing
my purpose, the way God designed it.
And sometimes it requires taking off old.
Mindsets, working through old
programming, because maybe what mom
and dad taught us over the dining
room table wasn't the most useful.
But the good news is you can change.
You're not stuck with the brain you have.
And science has finally proven
what the Bible has always said,
that we can renew our minds.
So I think it's good news.
Tim Winders: That is good news.
one thing you brought up, the
American culture and one of
the things that is interesting,
South Africa might be similar.
When I was in Australia, I noticed there,
there is this, I'll call it just an
air that hangs over certain countries.
That's how we were formed.
We were a rebellious country from the
start, and in many ways we still are.
and, you know, Australia, they
started, they were sort of rebellious,
penal colony and things like that.
south Africa's got unique culture
in that, that it was a place where
I think a lot of people stopped off
as they were going around the cape.
And so it has this real, a lot of culture.
I noticed that when I was down
there, especially over in Cape Town.
And then we also, I love what you
brought up, we have this abundance
in our first world cultures that
is, I think, beyond anything that we
really even can imagine and think.
And I wonder at times, and this is
going to go back to maybe a spiritual
question, if we really are if we
really have a prosperity gospel,
even though I know that's a bad word,
I grew up in a prosperity gospel
church, so I'm, it's like there's
good and bad of a lot of things.
I do wonder if we think that everything is
going to be awesome and great, going back
to an earlier question, and that any type
of struggle that might perfect us, we just
run away from that and try to avoid that.
What thoughts do you have on that?
Mimika Cooney: Oh my gosh,
how much time do we have?
You're going to get me
on a rant, I'll tell you.
Tim Winders: I like rants.
Let's do some ranting.
Mimika Cooney: I'm a totally,
an open booker, right?
I call myself a WYSIWYG.
What you see is what you get.
And as South Africans are direct,
we are going to tell you straight.
And to come to this question.
So what I do believe is America is Really
saturated and what we call the prosperity
gospel, which is just come to Jesus and
everything's fun automatically overnight.
You're going to be just fabulous
and fit and trim and just
flying, because it's instant.
Of course, it's great.
But what I found is that we have
a lack of honesty and especially
here in the South where I live.
That was a huge shock for
me because I'm used to.
If someone says, what
do you think about that?
I feel it's my obligation to give you
my honest opinion, not to sugarcoat
it or to pretend that I'm going to
tell you something, that's nice.
But meanwhile, at the back of
the ranch, I'm complaining and
I have a knife out to get you.
And to me, that was a huge
shock was like the, it's, I
don't know what word to put it.
I suppose it's this in turn,
I'm not dissing anybody
Southern what I'm just saying.
It's a behavioral reaction
to avoiding the truth.
Really being honest.
And I found, Americans, especially,
and actually even in European as well,
everyone wants to pretend it's fine.
And we all wear these masks and
it's like, no, no, no, it's fine.
Oh, I'm suffering terribly, but
I'm going to make it look great.
It's all fabulous.
It's a silver bullet.
There's a, I can marketing.
It drives me crazy with this.
Just do this one thing.
And then instantly you'll
get this amazing result.
And it's not true.
And I feel we lack a lot of honesty
and transparency because We just want
everyone to think we have it all together.
Instagram and Facebook and
social media itself, we put
our best foot forward, right?
We don't really want people to know.
And I'm like, I'm going to
tell you the hard stuff.
I'm going to tell you where I messed
up because I ain't learning from your
sugar coated, protect, pretend world.
I want to learn the real grit.
what did you actually do that did that?
So I'm not the only one.
I'm not going crazy.
I'm not the only one
who's feeding this web.
So I do feel, The more honest we
can be with ourselves and just
to start to question and say, I
really believe this about myself.
Is this true?
Like I was taught this and it was
drummed into me that, a good girl
doesn't give her honest opinion.
She just smiles and waves.
And I'm like, is that really in
service to myself and the other person?
Is my lack of honesty really going
to take the relationship further?
And I always go back to
thinking, what did Jesus do?
Jesus was a rebel.
He upset a lot of people.
He came and he took that, Sadducee and
Pharisees and really offended them because
they were in the church and they had
their religiosity of their lists and the
things that you did and how you went to
synagogue and aka church on a Sunday.
And this is the place and this is the
only place God could be was in the temple.
He totally threw that upside down.
He didn't say, come, we're going to
have a building fund and then we're
going to build a building on the corner
of 6th and 7th Avenue and you're going
to come on Sunday to meet me there.
No, he went to the people.
He went, met them where they were in
their homes, had food with them, met
them, on the side of the shore of the
lake or, in the middle of the desert.
And I'm like, Jesus's ministry was based
on meeting people where they're at.
Why do we keep having this fake
facade, like even church itself?
Why do we have to feel like
it has to be an entertainment?
I've got, Jesus wasn't into entertaining.
He was teaching and preaching
and reaching people.
And even if you think about metaphors
and the parables, it's so they
could understand what he was saying.
So I always think, we live in a modern
society where there's an instant this and
the fancy this and all this technology
but I think we've missed the point.
I think we've missed the simplicity
of what Jesus's whole thing was to
us, is to go out and make disciples
out of what is the word disciple?
Sorry to say, modern
society lacks discipline.
We don't want to do the work.
We don't want to do the effort and
do the, and allow ourselves to sweat
and, To work through the hard things,
we want to just pretend it's fine.
So it's no wonder we just keep going
for our fix on a Sunday, hoping
that our lives will be better.
But if you're not applying the truths,
you're not putting it into action.
So yeah, told you I'd get me on a rant.
Tim Winders: I like rants.
That's my job here is to see
if I could pull a rant out of,
of Mimika and it's working.
My, my plan is working.
What is, this is something
that always fascinates me.
I was actually saved in a business
setting, not in a church setting.
So at times I could be slightly
critical of the way they do things
in what we'll call church world.
That's the way I use it.
and so I wanted to ask the question,
I think you said you were saved
or started being a follower of
Christ around the age of 10.
Have you ever done any of the
work you're currently doing
without the faith component?
and let me, and I'll follow it
up with my follow up question.
I'll let you answer that.
Because I'm curious why.
Why is it a challenge when we bring
faith into the mindset question?
Because it's totally a
thing outside of faith too.
personal development, self
improvement, all of that's outside.
And there's plenty of people that
have, that do this without faith.
Have you always done it with faith?
And what are some specific challenges
when we bring faith into the equation?
Mimika Cooney: It's a great question.
And this is one of the
reasons I'm on a mission.
So I don't believe that we
should be separating mindset work
from faith and physical work.
and hear me out here.
God made us a human being, right?
And as a body and as a person, we are
made up of spirit, body, and soul.
Now a spirit, Is who we
really are intrinsically.
if you took off this human
body, who would we be at our
core and who God made us to be?
That is who we meet when we
become Christians, right?
So we have that, I call it the inner
compass, almost like that secret
agent inside, who's always going
to give us, like you see these spy
movies where they have the earpiece
and that to me is the Holy Spirit.
I'm like, okay, we were going here.
We're going to sit there.
And it's like always direct to
me, giving me the insider secrets.
Now we have our mind, which is,
where I saw, which is our mind.
I will, and our emotions
and our mind is made up.
We have the physical brain matter, but
our mind is also connected to our spirit.
And then we have the body,
which is the physical side.
And to me, one of the, my pet
peeves is how the world has made
us separate everything, and I never
think that's been God's design.
And the reason why I'm so gung ho
about connecting the spirit with
the mind is because that's how we.
Now don't get scary and twisted
about, things like holistic words and
neuroscience and personal development.
And I think this is part of the problem
is that Pharisee spirit of being a
religious has made us separate the tools
that God is giving us and not apply them.
So we stay stuck.
So what I mean by that is, we
go to church, we learn about our
spirit and we feed our spirit.
We don't realize we still
have to work on our soul.
You still have to get rid
of those emotional moons.
We have to get rid of those
mindsets and learn how to control
our emotions and not live by them.
But we're not taught this.
And I'm like, something is wrong here.
Like I'm a strategist and I look at
things and I see the problems and
I see like a piece of chess board.
Like, how do we connect the dots?
And the more I've researched this,
and even the fact that I do what I do
today, like I was in the business world.
Like I didn't come from church back
when I've never been to seminary, but
I've been a Christian since I was 10.
So I've walked with Jesus like
major buddies since whatever,
like everything we do, I'm like,
okay, what are we doing today?
And to me, it's even when I did business
and I'd realized that disconnect of
keeping God out of your business.
As a Christian, it's almost impossible,
and those who try to treat, say the
mindset, and we have this personal
development and a lot of the new
age neuroscience, we stuff has
come out of that where self luck
example, have a problem, self help.
Because there's limits to self,
you don't know what you don't know.
And all of us suffer from blind
spots and you don't know what you're
blind to until someone points it out.
But the problem is if you try to fix
these solutions by yourself without
being a holistic and including the
mind, the spirit, the body, the soul.
You're missing huge pieces.
For example, take it
to the business world.
Like I think back when I was running
my marketing and branding agency, I was
so driven to keep doing the best and be
a perfectionist and do the most things
and warm up, worn myself out until I
physically hit burnout and I couldn't
do it anymore after all the stresses of
immigrating country, trying to do all the
things, being a wonder woman and, best mom
in the world, eventually I hit the wall
where I just physically couldn't do it.
Because I kept thinking that if I just
worked on the one side, the rest would
just follow, it would fix itself.
And I'd realized God said,
no, you need to stop.
It's time to be well, you're not
well, you're not whole you fragmented.
There's parts of you.
And I realized, and I look back,
why was I so driven to prove myself?
And I'd realized I was addicted
to approval, people pleasing and
being a perfectionist because
I had an undealt with route of
rejection from being a child.
And I was like, Oh, so that
10 year old programming.
And I took that on as a narrative to,
this is how I prove my worth is by
constantly performing these tricks,
jumping through hoops and showing people
I'm perfect and have it all together.
And God's no, that's not how we do it.
And I'd realized I'd been repeating the
same behaviors, same patterns, and I call
them the boomerang thoughts and behaviors.
I kept going back to the same point
thinking, why am I not getting
a breakthrough with my business?
Why am I keep doing the same thing?
Why am I attracting the same kind
of clients who have the same issues?
And I was like, It's because
I haven't dealt with me.
I haven't looked under
the hood of my wiring.
I'm in this car that's taking me a
hundred miles an hour to somewhere.
I don't even want to be like,
hello, somebody help me.
So I wouldn't advise you
wait until you hit the wall.
Like I did in crash and burn.
That's why I'm passionate about
what I do now is I feel God's
you've got business background.
You have that mind of strategy and
looking at problems and solutions.
And I have a heart for connecting
people to who they really are.
And for me, it's as I look at it and
to answer your question, I have taught
this concept of, how do you approach
personal development and mindset?
you can take God out of it, but
there is always something missing.
It always comes back to what
I call the purpose piece.
We're all driven by purpose fuel.
And what are you filling your tank with?
Is it, approval, is it, accolades,
is it, attention seeking, or is
it some vice, whatever, and that
missing piece is always God.
And the atheists of the world can
try to admit that they can function
without God, but the more the world
goes, the more they carry on God's
They're missing the big point.
So that's why I was challenged on this.
And a lot of people have said to me,
even when I wrote my book, they said, why
can't you just take the Jesus part out?
Cause you know, you could do so much
better and reach a bigger audience
and position you in the business
and the personal development space
against the, some of the big.
And I'm like, I feel strongly
that this is God's calling for me.
Is that it's this narrative of Christian
mindset and neuroscience and faith
can be worked through a process.
And that's what I've developed in my
own program is a, there is a process.
So even though we've heard in church,
you need to renew your mind and be
like, Oh, bless great bumper sticker.
What does it mean exactly?
And how do we do that?
Can someone be practical, please?
So at the end of the day, I'm just
your practical sister over here is
going to teach him like, honey, I
know we're not doing that no more.
That doesn't suit you.
Can we stop that?
How about we try this?
And so far over the last sort of
five years of me really honing
this in and trying and learning.
And, I've realized I had to
get rid of the junk in my trunk
before I could help others.
I had to put on my breathing
mask, my oxygen mask.
Cause I was but to pass out trying to
help people when I couldn't help myself.
And I realized I had to
get back to being whole.
And the only way to do that is
to reconnect your spirit with
your soul and your purpose with
the way God designed you to be.
Tim Winders: Sounds like you
had to go through this is what
we, the language we use here.
You had to redefine that
success at that point.
And sounds like it was a few years ago.
How are you doing now?
Mimika Cooney: Oh, much better.
I'm like, girl, why did
it, what took you so long?
Tim Winders: Are you
Mimika Cooney: I look back
and no one, no, one's perfect.
Honey, I am a work in progress.
Like I'll be the first one to admit
I had to give up my membership
to control Freaks Anonymous.
And every day she keeps calling.
I'm like, honey, that's
no, we're not doing that.
And so for me, I've had to
work through getting over the
perfectionism and rather do things.
But again, it's a renewing,
it's a constant do.
Like I say, the way that I, I
have great way of looking at it
is I'm going to take a physical
shower to wash myself every day.
I've got to take a spiritual
and the mental shower.
Now we, spiritual side about prayer and
meditation, and it really is important
that we do that too, because that is
also part of renewal, but I have to
be willing to renew my mind daily.
So I say part of that is taking a
daily mental shower, cleaning up the
junk, like a negative thought comes in.
How do we take a captive?
We approach it and say, wait a second.
That's a negative thought.
Let me go back to what the Bible says.
The Bible says I'm loved and I'm chosen
and I'm equipped with everything I need.
And no weapon formed against me.
So that's sort of fear based
thinking of Oh my gosh, who are you?
Why, and why would you even try?
I'm like, no.
Delete, but that takes
a process and learning.
And I'm still in the process of learning.
I'm never a hundred percent.
And of course, the alcoholics anonymous
always say how you get changes, you
have to admit you have a problem.
And for me, I was living in denial
city with a permanent address
and zip code in denial town.
And until I could realize I had a problem.
And, this is the thing.
It's just like exercise.
I always say, I wish we could just
go to gym, gain all the muscle we
wanted, and it would just stay.
It never works that way.
I don't have a lot.
The last time you've been to gym
or you've done some exercise,
you've got to keep it up.
It's like a continual process.
And it's the same thing that how God
expects us to walk out this walk of
faith in our life itself is just to
continually learn because we're going.
From glory to glory.
And if we open and willing and
have a humble heart to letting
God show us and say, okay, God,
what are we working on today?
He says, I know we worked on this before,
but you still have some work to do.
You're not done.
We're going to go again, and
it's like layers of an onion.
And if you've ever cut an onion,
you're going to cry, but as you
get the layers off the layers
off, there's just more to them.
And eventually we want
to get back to the core.
And I think that we'll keep doing
this until the day we die, because
that is part of the human condition
is constantly renewing ourselves and
getting closer and closer to the Lord.
So that's why I'm passionate
about what I do today.
And of course, I'm not
everybody's cup of tea.
Because I'm very direct, very honest,
and I'm going to tell you straight
and I don't show code anything, but I
think that's what we need in this world
is honesty, transparency and clarity.
Are we willing to be
honest with ourselves?
Are we willing to be
honest with each other?
And are we willing to hold each
other up and say, Hey, I'm going
to be your mirror for today.
Let's do this.
And then we'll see breakthrough.
Tim Winders: I feel very confident from
listening to you and hearing you that
you have some skills and talents and
habits that would make you successful
in what we'll call the world system.
Let's just say that.
But yet it seems as if a few years back,
five or six years back, you hit a wall
that those things didn't work anymore.
This is a question that has no
answer, but I'll just ask it
and you can give your thoughts.
I have this thought that those of us
that Bring faith into the equation
that we will come to a place in time
where we realize our talent skills
I don't want to say isn't enough.
It's just, we can't just
keep running on those.
You brought up the car analogy.
We're going to run out of gas or oil is
going to leak out or something like that.
Because I think that's
what happened with me.
someone would have looked at
me years ago and said, Oh yeah,
can do certain things well.
And that equates to success
in this world system.
But yet in kingdom of God language,
There's something that he needs that
he doesn't have, the ability to be at
rest, the ability to allow God to, work
his way through all he's doing and all.
And so I do think that people of
faith, and I hate to say this because
it, it projects that you're going
to have to get this worked out.
And that is that what works for you
in a world system is not going to
work in Kingdom of God's system.
What are your thoughts when I just go on
that little mini rant that I just did?
Mimika Cooney: Definitely.
I would agree that we cannot apply the
world systems to how God's kingdom works.
And this is a whole point of
why we feel like foreigners.
Because it's not, we're not, our DNA
doesn't design isn't designed for this.
And I always say, if you think about
it, what did the devil do when he tried
to tempt Jesus back in the wilderness?
He tried to have him
question his identity.
He wanted to question, he wanted to
entice him with the winds of the world,
which is success, honor, which come back
to pride and whatever monetary gains.
And if you think he has, the devil
is so lame, he hasn't given up that.
That sort of plan.
He's been using it again and again.
And I always like to look at things
and have a different perspective and
say, okay, why are we doing this?
What was the reason for this?
And who chose this way anyway is,
and does this actually suit us?
And if you take yourself out of the
equation and say, What if you stop
trying to chase that inevitable
mirage that the world keeps painting?
Because again, it's just,
they've done a sales job on you.
If you think that you're going to win
by, and of course, let me say, you
actually can win if you follow those,
if you're willing to sacrifice yourself,
your identity and yourself of purpose.
But I don't know about you, I'm assuming
we're speaking to a Christian audience and
there is inevitably that friction of that.
We know God's designed us for more.
We're not of this world, but we're in it.
So how do we learn to function in it?
And I say, I always loved,
I love superhero movies.
You can tell which one
I'm going to align with.
I love the fact that she has to go through
training the beginning of the movie.
If you see in these things that she's
got to do, and she knows she has this
purpose, this big thing she's got to do.
But she can't skip the training.
She doesn't going to know how to be
a good warrior and fight and know
the things until she tried and went
through the training, learned how to
fight, learned how to use the tools.
And I'm like, we see this in everyday
life, but we somehow think that we can
have an instant button and all of a
sudden we just fixed or all of a sudden.
It's just going to be automatic.
The last time I looked that you
take your car and for a service,
it takes a while just to fix.
Things and look under the hood, right?
It's never an instant thing.
So how about we just come to the
realization that if we want to be able to
be successful on God's agenda and God's
terms, we have to do things God's way.
And often his ways very counterintuitive
to what we've been taught.
So if we are willing and open to be
led by the Holy Spirit and say, okay,
God, what do we need to work on today?
What do I need to work on?
And that was part of my process.
And I call it the seven year wilderness.
And I'm sure a lot of us can, sometimes
I refer to The humbling, because if you
look at a lot of stories of scripture,
the people that God had to use the most
had to go through some form of humbling.
Moses was prideful and arrogant.
He thought he knew everything.
And then he spent all those years as a
shepherd and a nobody in the wilderness.
David spent time in the wilderness.
the list is endless, right?
So many of those people had to strip
that worldly identity, get close to God.
And it's the firing.
That's Working on a piece of clay and
you've got to put it through the fire.
And nobody likes the fire because it's
hurts and it's going to be painful.
But at the end of the day, if
we're not willing to go through the
process, we can't come out refined.
and part of what I realized is I
had been avoiding the process of
God's invitation the whole time.
And God is a gentleman.
He's never going to
force you to do anything.
He invites you.
And if you say no, he's okay, cool.
Whenever you're ready, I'm
going to sit here and wait.
And he says, in my case,
he's oh, are you done yet?
Are you ready?
Now we can work on it.
And it's only when we're willing
and able and saying, okay, God,
what is it you have for my life?
And here's the thing.
I have totally changed my trajectory,
my business model, my, I would say
probably what I do now is a blend of
ministry and business, but I'd realized
there was a bigger picture to this.
It's even those things, I learned back
in the day, Again, I'm dating myself,
the karate kid, the wax on wax off.
Remember that part of the movie where
he's what am I cleaning the wall?
And what was so annoying?
Most of us have been going
through that training process of
the waxing and the waxing off.
And I never realized when
it's going to be effective.
And one day we realized we are.
We hit the wall or we get challenged
with something and we realize,
Oh, that's why God had me do that.
Oh, that's why he made me learn that.
Oh, that's why I went
through that process.
And you start to connect the dots, but
so many of us are going in at a hundred
miles an hour down a train on a track.
We don't even want to go down or be.
Where it's going to end up, we're not
willing to wait and pause and say, okay,
God, what is it that you want of me?
So I, for me, I always say to people,
the reason I share my story is because
it took me way long, longer than it
should have to hit pause and to say,
let me reassess, let me spend the
time, is this motivation well placed?
do I want to be rich and famous
because I want to be rich and
famous always at God's plan.
And I think if we all just.
Allowed God to put us into the positions
and the jobs and the assignments and
the mantles he's designed for us.
We would have a lot more contentment
and peace and happiness if we just
did what God was wanting us to do.
So hopefully that's an encouragement
to just press forward and to continue
pursuing what you feel is true to you.
And it's amazing how much
more life is enjoyable.
Tim Winders: It is.
And I think the interesting thing in
our current culture is many people are
attempting to copy someone else's path
instead of walking their own path.
And we have a world where it's
so easy to compare because of
social media and things like that.
And, I love the word
assignment you just used.
That's really what I use.
Action on a daily basis is identifying
what my assignment is in God's kingdom and
attempting as best I can to walk that out.
And, so I love that there's some words
I want us to bring up right now because
sometimes they are, they, they aren't.
understood, and they're definitely
not understood within the
faith community, words like
neuroscience and neuroplasticity.
And even we'll throw out a word you
brought up, self help and self care
and counseling and different things
like that, or sometimes things that.
People of faith push aside.
They don't even want to know blah,
blah, blah, cover their ears and eyes.
And so can you, and you don't have
to define each one of those, but just
in general, what are some of those
and why, especially faith people,
are we so uncomfortable sometimes
having discussions about those?
Mimika Cooney: Yeah,
that's a good question.
And I feel, in this, the faith
space, we've been so indoctrinated
by this religious mindset of you
better just do as you're told.
And, God's a hard task, taskmaster.
And if you do anything out of what
the church tells you, Oh, that's
demonic or, Oh, that's not of God.
If you think about it, God is
the creative of all things.
He is the originator of everything.
If we see something that's
dark and twisted, it started
with some kind of original.
and let's take the word neuroscience.
Now, this is not a word to be scared of.
This is not a demonic entity.
This is the study of the neural
pathways of how our brains worked.
There actually are, they can scan your
brain now and see what's going on.
The electrical activity.
We have energy that goes
through us, which is, we have
electrical activity in our brain.
We have electrical activity in our hearts.
if someone has a cardiac
arrest, what do they do?
They use a defibrillator to add that
energy, to reignite the heart to work.
And we live in a society now where we
can understand more of these things.
And the neuroscience field is
still what they call burgeoning new
industry because of the technology
that's allowing us to look inside
the brain and really what it is.
It's the science of how we are,
our bodies are, how we function,
like what is a brain cell?
What is a neural pathway?
And when they looked under the
microscope at the brain, our
neural pathways look like trees.
that scripture again, where God
says, he's, we're, we, he is the
vine and we are the branches.
I'm like, duh, he mentioned to us
already, it's already been in scripture.
And he says, you got to feed off the vine.
What does that mean?
It's like feeding off where we
get our thoughts and our, where we
focus, our tension and our energy.
And again, it's all connected.
Like we have a nervous system.
You don't have to deny that.
Like you have a nervous
thought or an anxious thought.
What happens is your stomach
starts to rumble and you start to
get like really nervous in your.
So if our body is connected by how
we think and how we feel, why are we
to think that this is, whether this
is, Christian or anti Christian,
I think we've lost the plot.
That's not the point.
The point is we need to go
back to our original designers.
How did God design us to be?
He designed us to be whole.
He designed us to walk in peace.
He designed us to.
Be able to fix the things that are
broken and just going to church on a
Sunday, listening to a sermon, and then
taking that off your list isn't enough.
You have to put more effort
into fixing and being open.
So I would always say it gets me
really irritated when someone has
that religious spirit that goes,
Oh, I'm not listening to that.
I'm like, isn't that ignorance?
Like girl, you've got this This
nail that's, oh, girl, that's
sticking out your head there.
can you not see it?
let me help you.
And they're like, Oh, no.
I've got a terrible headache,
but let me pray about it.
I'm like, how about we take
that nail out your head?
Maybe that'll help.
in practical terms, that's what
God is doing with us every day.
He's Hey, can I help you work on that?
can we take, that barb of rejection
that, that frame threw at you when
you were 12 and you just felt bullied
and, on the sideline, that, that
thing is still stuck in your heart.
Do you mind if I come alongside, let's
pray together and give it to Jesus.
And that's the simplicity of it, right?
But we've overcomplicated things and
we get scared when it's something
that hasn't been talked about in the
church, which is why I'm on a rant and
on a mission to help people understand
that this is one and the same thing.
This is God's design.
He designed our brain.
He designed our bodies.
He designed who we are.
He knows how we function at our best.
And all we need to do is partner with
him and be able to be open minded.
And having that growth mindset
says, okay, I don't know everything.
I don't know, but I'm open to learning.
I'm open to hearing, I'm being humble
enough to say, okay, I messed up.
How can we fix this?
And I think it really comes down to that
again, as being humble and being willing
to listen to God and say, Hey, I'm not
going to get on my religious bus and start
to, brand everybody with, the evil brand.
I'm going to just say, okay, God,
what if this is you show me how
and just invite the conversation.
And I think we'll be a lot more.
Tim Winders: So somewhere along the way
you, and I could see how all that you're
talking about, maybe culminated in the
writing of this book, Unstick Your Mind.
Shift your mindset, develop
grit and break barriers.
And I've scanned through,
it's got great info in here.
But the, I think the first question I
want to ask about it, because I think it's
going to determine if someone picks it up
and reads it, is how does someone know?
That their mind might be stuck.
Mimika Cooney: Great question.
how, you're stuck and you're ready
to get unstuck is a few things.
And one of the big highlights I always
say is if you're feeling frustrated,
like you've tried things, you've
tried to do things on your own.
You try to do things on your own strength
and you're like, why is this not working?
If you find yourself repeating
old habits and behaviors that
you don't want to repeat, If you
keep seeing yourself in cycles.
they keep going over and you're
going around the mountain again.
And like, why are we here again?
I thought we learned to
move forward from this.
So cycles, habits, behaviors, and also
just that feeling of you want more.
if you're happy in denial, then
bless you go on being happy and
deniable, but there has to come
the sense of what I call tension.
And usually what happens is, people are
ready to work on their mindset is when
they've either been through something.
Through the humbling or they've been
through an experience where maybe
something worked before and no, it no
longer works and they've been challenged.
They may be applied, say a business
tactic in the past, but now it's no
longer working and they started to
question like, what's wrong, there's
got to be more and also a lack of peace.
I always say search and seek peace that
if you're feeling uneasy and you're like,
something's off and something's not right.
I want something more.
And I believe that's God's invitation
where he whispers and says.
There's some more for you.
You're not reaching your potential.
I want you to feel.
So frustration is actually good.
If someone is frustrated, it means they're
ready to make a change because you have
got to want something bad enough to be
willing to put the effort to see through
the action to get to the other side.
Because someone who's, is apathetic
and eh, meh, I don't want to like,
I'm like, I can't work with that.
But if you say, I'm desperate
for change, I have to fix this.
There is no other option.
I have exhausted all the options
I have tried before, and I can't
seem to figure out what that is.
And blind spots are keeping you blind.
You don't know what the problem is.
Then we need to talk.
Then you're ready.
Then I know I can help you.
And just like they say in AA, you have
to admit that you have a problem to
really know that you can work on it.
So I think that's a huge indicator.
Tim Winders: One of the things
you mentioned earlier, because I
think this factors in also is I
think there are people that get
into a state of hopelessness.
And you mentioned, I think that you and
your husband back in, I can't remember
the year you went to 2006 or something
like that, that when y'all were in
South Africa, y'all felt hopeless.
But one of the things you did
is y'all took quite a bit of.
and the reason I bring it up is I
know I interact with a lot of people.
It's hard for me to work with someone
who's in a hopeless state, but if they
admit they're there and they want to
get out of it, then I don't almost
said magical things happen, but maybe
it is magical things happen just.
Things begin to happen.
so you've been in a hopeless state.
You mentioned it earlier.
What about the person that's right
now there, if they're still listening,
they're probably not in that state,
but they're sitting here going, I look
around, this is going on in the world.
This is going on in my life, health
issues, this or whatever, all these
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type things speak to the person
that might be feeling that right now
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and, encourage them a little bit.
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Mimika Cooney: Definitely.
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for some of us who go through
those seasons where we feel
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hopeless, it can be a really hard.
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Place to be.
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And I call that being stuck.
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Stuckness ain't fun.
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It doesn't feel good.
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You lost the plot.
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You feel like you're in a dark hole.
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You're in a cave where
everyone's forgotten you.
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And it just feels like there's
nowhere out, but I always say
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we are always given a choice.
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Now you can either a do nothing
and stay where you're at.
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That's a choice.
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B you can ask for help and have someone
lead you along the way, or C you can
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just put yourself out there and start
trying things because nothing changes.
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Until something changes.
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And usually it's a shift
in attitude or desire.
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I'm like, I'm just sick and
tired of being sick and tired.
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Like I'm done with this.
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there's a sense of desperation and
sometimes, we hear about the whole
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concept of reaching the bottom of the
barrel and sometimes God does wait
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for us to get there because we have
to get rid of ourselves and realize
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we've come to the end of the self help.
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We've come to the end of
do, I will do it my way.
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we stopped singing Frank Sinatra's
song and start realizing,
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okay, God, you need to show me.
00:50:06,685 --> 00:50:09,685
And it's often those moments
of desperation of where we've
00:50:09,685 --> 00:50:11,295
lost hope that God says now.
00:50:11,795 --> 00:50:12,705
We can work together.
00:50:13,305 --> 00:50:16,535
Now you've stopped getting yourself
in the middle, sticking your fingers
00:50:16,535 --> 00:50:21,304
in where it shouldn't be trying to do
everything out of your own effort and own,
00:50:21,305 --> 00:50:23,825
knowledge or expertise or back, whatever.
00:50:24,705 --> 00:50:28,295
It's almost like you need to get to
that point of complete surrender,
00:50:28,295 --> 00:50:30,385
where you throw your arms up and
you say, I can't do this anymore.
00:50:31,265 --> 00:50:35,975
So feeling frustrated and hopeless
and stuck is actually meaning that
00:50:35,975 --> 00:50:38,635
you've reached the point of where
you're ready to change and shift.
00:50:39,285 --> 00:50:43,785
And as long as you're open and ready to
say, I don't like where I'm at, but I
00:50:43,785 --> 00:50:45,725
know there's somewhere else I want to be.
00:50:45,725 --> 00:50:47,635
And I know it can be hard when
you're in the middle of hopelessness.
00:50:47,635 --> 00:50:49,845
It's what do we do when
you don't see the exit?
00:50:50,385 --> 00:50:51,095
You don't know.
00:50:51,565 --> 00:50:53,645
And you think, okay, what
is in with my control?
00:50:53,655 --> 00:50:56,295
What I will always have control
of is my personal choice.
00:50:57,125 --> 00:50:57,795
Our free will.
00:50:58,065 --> 00:50:59,405
God will never interfere with that.
00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:02,995
we see that time and time again, is
that's one thing about being humans
00:51:03,245 --> 00:51:04,695
that differentiates us is that.
00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:08,480
We have free will because people
have to choose to want to change.
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,130
People have to choose to want to change
their situation, their environment,
00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:14,780
their thoughts, their behaviors,
their actions, their relationships,
00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:16,940
their financial status, whatever.
00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:18,730
There has to be a shift in choice.
00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:22,910
So if you're ready to, if you're
tired of being hopeless and cause
00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:24,420
the good news is there is hope.
00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:25,580
There is light.
00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:28,660
God is ready and willing and
waiting and reaching out to you.
00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:30,420
You just need to look up and let him.
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,770
Pull you out of there.
00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:34,250
you never have, you
don't have to stay stuck.
00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:35,600
There are ways.
00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:38,500
And today, let's hope today's an
invitation to really take that step
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:42,290
forward, whether it's to buy a book
or to listen to a podcast or to call
00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,860
a friend or start to research stuff,
there's always something within your
00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:49,900
control that you can do, but let the
first step be, you make that choice.
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:55,380
Tim Winders: And the good thing about it
is that even if someone is, will just,
00:51:55,630 --> 00:52:00,960
air quotes, they are progressing, they're
moving, they maybe do not feel stuck.
00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:05,930
I think that we're created to
be in a growth process anyway.
00:52:06,445 --> 00:52:09,295
And so I think the
conversation here is valuable.
00:52:09,755 --> 00:52:13,865
So if, let's talk a little bit
about the book, Unstick Your Mind.
00:52:14,265 --> 00:52:18,285
And I do know in the time we have left
here, what I'd love to do is get some,
00:52:18,305 --> 00:52:20,615
maybe some actionable steps for someone.
00:52:21,045 --> 00:52:24,405
And let's go ahead and say a good
actionable step is get the book.
00:52:24,495 --> 00:52:28,075
That's one actionable step and maybe
you can tell us a little bit about the
00:52:28,075 --> 00:52:30,105
book here as you answer this question.
00:52:30,105 --> 00:52:37,560
But, What are a few practical things that
people can do if they want to continue
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,470
down their journey, their path, and
take care of their vehicle and their
00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:45,320
car and make sure the oil's changed and
tires are in good shape and electricals
00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,240
rewired as, as you do with the mind.
00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:50,590
and then I guess also for that
person that feels really stuck,
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:52,350
probably some similar things.
00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,460
So what are some steps, what
are some things people can do?
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,350
Mimika Cooney: the best tip I would
say to getting unstuck or moving
00:52:58,370 --> 00:53:00,030
forward is to take some kind of action.
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,940
So in this case, we're inviting
you to buy a copy of my book, the
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:07,270
unstick your mind, shift your mindset,
develop grit and break barriers.
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,340
Now, this is a project I've been working
on for like over three years and I've
00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:15,030
been writing it and actually testing
the concepts in my own coaching program.
00:53:15,705 --> 00:53:18,525
And the way that I write
is very actionable.
00:53:18,535 --> 00:53:22,515
So every chapter has some reflection
questions because, we don't need
00:53:22,535 --> 00:53:25,015
information, we need transformation.
00:53:25,185 --> 00:53:25,745
And how do we.
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:29,450
Transform things is through action
and doing the practical steps.
00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:33,970
So for somebody who wants to shift their
mindset, who wants to change their life
00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:37,350
for the better, the best thing we can do
is hold a mirror up to ourselves and say,
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:38,950
okay, what is it that I need to work on?
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,260
And often, reading a book or listening
to a podcast, it sparks that light bulb,
00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:44,970
oh, wow, I didn't know that was an issue.
00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:46,280
Let me go read more about that.
00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:48,230
Oh, I didn't realize I did that.
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:50,990
like when you see yourself recorded
on a video and oh my God, do
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:52,140
I really do that with my face?
00:53:53,165 --> 00:53:53,975
Do I sound like that?
00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:56,175
I've had to get used to
those kind of quirkiness.
00:53:56,765 --> 00:54:01,055
but I would definitely say, start with
baby steps and then celebrate each step.
00:54:01,055 --> 00:54:04,825
my students always laugh at me because
we have a party at every coaching session
00:54:05,205 --> 00:54:08,305
because first of all, we're celebrating
what you've achieved for the last week.
00:54:08,315 --> 00:54:11,315
And then we set in goals for what
you want to do for the next week.
00:54:11,315 --> 00:54:15,115
And having that action and holding
your feet to the fire is something
00:54:15,165 --> 00:54:16,995
that helps you to get momentum.
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,650
So I always say to people, if you
find that you're struggling to do
00:54:20,650 --> 00:54:24,390
this on your own, find a coach or a
buddy or someone you can do this with.
00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:27,740
going back to my original concept
of the reason I call myself a
00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:30,490
personal trainer for your mind
is it's hard to do this alone.
00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:33,220
It's hard to pull
yourself out by yourself.
00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:35,630
Because there's only,
there's limits to self.
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:38,420
So find someone who you feel can
help you through this process.
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,550
And this whole concept of, unsticking your
mind is providing you with information
00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:44,980
that you can apply to your life.
00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:48,780
But then I give you some
exercises and ways to walk it out.
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,690
So I would definitely encourage those who
are listening today to go ahead and do
00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:54,640
that and just start taking baby steps.
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,200
You'll be surprised as momentum
gains as you start moving forward.
00:55:00,245 --> 00:55:02,815
Tim Winders: There's one of the
chapters in the book, I think
00:55:02,815 --> 00:55:05,035
it was slow down to speed up.
00:55:05,925 --> 00:55:15,145
I know that my mode, if there were
ever any challenges were, was typically
00:55:15,465 --> 00:55:18,455
work harder, do more, sleep less.
00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:22,130
Plow into it, things like that.
00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:24,240
I think this is close
to my final question.
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:29,040
Comment on that because I am confident
we have a lot of people that may be in
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:36,730
that category that they believe that
outworking, being stuck is the answer.
00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:40,030
And I, my personal story was Mamika?
00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:42,260
Mimika Cooney: I would
have to ask the question.
00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:43,430
So how did that work out for you?
00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:46,830
yourself till you drop,
until you burn out.
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:48,740
So how's that working out?
00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:51,350
How's the car functioning now
that you've blown the head gasket?
00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:53,240
Run out of gas and blown a tire?
00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:54,560
You ain't going anywhere.
00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:57,590
So what were the, what
can we learn from this?
00:55:57,620 --> 00:56:00,370
Is that perhaps along the
highway, while you're still on
00:56:00,370 --> 00:56:03,730
the highway, we need to look in a,
see the signs that said slow down
00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:06,680
Tim Winders: but many people,
that's the only way they know.
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,650
I think you're probably were
wired a little bit that way.
00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:12,710
That's how we were raised.
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:15,550
That's our culture and all it's
if it is to be, it's up to me.
00:56:15,550 --> 00:56:16,690
I'm going to work my way through it.
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:17,550
Yeah, I've got God.
00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:21,290
he's going to watch out for me and
all, but I got to grind this thing out.
00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:26,020
And, I think that's a challenge for a
lot of people to break free of that.
00:56:26,915 --> 00:56:31,285
Mimika Cooney: definitely there's a lot of
us A type, go getting high performing work
00:56:31,705 --> 00:56:33,315
till you drop, hustle till you drop thing.
00:56:33,325 --> 00:56:36,945
But there's one thing I can't stand about
this hustle culture is that you are going
00:56:36,945 --> 00:56:40,055
to get to the end of it and you're going
to realize you have nothing left unless
00:56:40,055 --> 00:56:42,255
you, you've applied the right principles.
00:56:42,525 --> 00:56:44,505
Now, having a good work
ethic is important.
00:56:44,630 --> 00:56:46,860
And I definitely say that,
you have to work at it.
00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:49,670
Like we've already said, you've got
to put the action in, but there comes
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:55,360
a part of where we start to tip into
over action and trying to do stuff.
00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:57,310
And let's ask the big question here.
00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:59,230
Why do we behave that way?
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,840
And if you really want to know.
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,300
My guess, and in case, in my situation
is I had an element of pride.
00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:08,940
I wanted to show the world that
I could do it, that I was smart,
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:09,600
that I could do everything.
00:57:09,610 --> 00:57:10,320
Look at me, I'm fine.
00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:12,500
Meanwhile, I'm like, like
00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:15,630
And there's only so much
you can keep that facade up.
00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,760
People, eventually we are
humans and humans need to be
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,990
human beings, not human doings.
00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:24,750
We weren't machines that will
make, and even machines break down.
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,070
So good luck to you if you're trying
to figure that out, but I can guarantee
00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:30,420
you if you needed a sign, this is it.
00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:33,670
That this is the slowdown and
invitation that you do not have
00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:35,630
to be pushing yourself so hard.
00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:38,450
And I always have to come back to the
simple question is why are you doing it?
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,150
Why do you think that way?
00:57:40,735 --> 00:57:41,705
Why do you believe that?
00:57:41,725 --> 00:57:45,385
Have you ever stopped to question
yourself that what your motivation is?
00:57:45,735 --> 00:57:47,425
Why do you want a successful business?
00:57:47,505 --> 00:57:48,835
Why do you want to make more money?
00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:53,045
we could be asking why all day, but if
we take the moment to really analyze
00:57:53,045 --> 00:57:55,185
that and say, why am I so driven?
00:57:55,655 --> 00:57:57,685
That's how I got to that,
that the answer that.
00:57:57,980 --> 00:58:00,800
I was always on the people
pleasing perfectionist performance,
00:58:01,350 --> 00:58:04,500
road until I realized it was
really a route of objection.
00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:09,060
I didn't want to feel less than, or I
wanted to prove that I could be more
00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:11,450
than, but that was the wrong motivation.
00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:15,000
That wasn't sustainable because it's
really was not in line with God's word.
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,370
So I hope that answers that question
that people can use my story as
00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:23,770
an example to slow down so you can
eventually speed up because I love
00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:26,760
the analogy of a car is that you have
to take your car in for a service.
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:28,380
You can't be pushing a.
00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:32,790
A banged up jalopy forever expecting
to run a red, with the Ferraris.
00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:37,290
how about you, just slow down, go into
the garage, get a little fix, go fix the
00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:42,560
wiring and maybe retire and get some new
tires and get back with a new vehicle
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,350
that can run, so much more efficiently.
00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:46,380
And then you can enjoy the ride and style.
00:58:46,635 --> 00:58:47,935
That's my personal preference.
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:53,090
Tim Winders: and it's make that decision
now versus allowing the car to break
00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:56,960
down on the side of the road, which I
think is where most people are headed
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,750
if they don't make the adjustment.
00:58:59,770 --> 00:59:06,240
The book is Unstick Your Mind, Shift Your
Mindset, Develop Grit and Break Barriers.
00:59:06,250 --> 00:59:07,080
Great title there.
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,640
Mamika, tell us where people can find you,
how they can get the book and all that.
00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,470
And then I've got one more
question before we wrap up.
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:14,530
Mimika Cooney: Definitely.
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,800
the best place to connect with me
is my website, which is mimikakuni.
00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:19,090
00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:20,990
And I'll spell that for
our audio listeners.
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:25,560
It's M I K A C O N E Y.
00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:26,130
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,060
And if you go there, you can see, I have
a list of all the books I've written.
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:30,560
You can get some free downloads.
00:59:30,965 --> 00:59:34,035
I have a guide that goes
along with the, with the book.
00:59:34,295 --> 00:59:38,295
I also have tools and resources and my
own, YouTube channel when I put out a lot
00:59:38,295 --> 00:59:40,225
of content there, a lot of blog posts.
00:59:40,235 --> 00:59:42,785
So if this is something that's new to
you and maybe you don't even know what
00:59:42,785 --> 00:59:46,605
mindset's about or you're seasoned and
you want to learn a little bit more,
00:59:46,855 --> 00:59:48,015
I'm sure you'll be able to find that.
00:59:48,015 --> 00:59:51,575
So definitely go to mimikacooney.Com
and all the links will be there.
00:59:52,092 --> 00:59:54,692
Tim Winders: I spent a little bit of
time on your YouTube channel yesterday.
00:59:54,712 --> 00:59:56,762
MamikaTV, It's MTV.
00:59:56,762 --> 00:59:57,432
is that what you
00:59:57,492 --> 00:59:59,962
Mimika Cooney: I started my
interview because I come from
00:59:59,962 --> 01:00:01,472
a TV and interview background.
01:00:01,772 --> 01:00:04,762
So when podcasting was a thing, I'm
one of the noobs, not the noobs,
01:00:04,782 --> 01:00:08,252
the oldies now, back in the day in:
01:00:08,272 --> 01:00:12,072
I like to do video and I love
to do interviews the way I was.
01:00:12,802 --> 01:00:15,722
Let me do a TV show and I
put it on YouTube and then
01:00:15,722 --> 01:00:16,952
podcasting became a thing.
01:00:17,172 --> 01:00:20,642
So that's why it's just stuck Mimika
TV because I use a visual format.
01:00:21,012 --> 01:00:26,122
So I love to interview people where
you can see their faces, but I'm
01:00:26,402 --> 01:00:27,892
podcasting and interviews like this.
01:00:27,922 --> 01:00:31,412
I love this because we can dive
into people's stories and I just
01:00:31,412 --> 01:00:33,132
love this whole opportunity.
01:00:33,132 --> 01:00:33,182
01:00:33,567 --> 01:00:37,157
And see how in the last 10 years,
podcasting has exploded because we now
01:00:37,397 --> 01:00:41,397
exposed to so many great minds and ideas
we would have never had exposure to.
01:00:41,757 --> 01:00:44,567
So yeah, that's where it
gets me, keeps me busy.
01:00:44,982 --> 01:00:45,422
Tim Winders: it's good.
01:00:45,422 --> 01:00:48,652
Yeah, I like I could tell
that you have a video.
01:00:49,172 --> 01:00:50,872
You have skills and talent and video.
01:00:50,872 --> 01:00:52,192
Very good quality.
01:00:52,392 --> 01:00:56,962
Information is great, but
I can tell that I was not.
01:00:57,032 --> 01:00:57,922
It wasn't envious.
01:00:57,922 --> 01:00:59,362
That wasn't the right term, but I can.
01:00:59,382 --> 01:01:03,462
I went, Wow, she's really good
with the video and the visual
01:01:03,462 --> 01:01:05,342
and also great job on that.
01:01:05,342 --> 01:01:06,532
People need to check that out.
01:01:07,172 --> 01:01:11,672
Mimika, we are Seek go create those
three words that we use to describe.
01:01:12,067 --> 01:01:13,507
Kind of what we're doing here.
01:01:13,587 --> 01:01:16,857
I'm gonna let you have one of those
words just that resonates with you
01:01:16,857 --> 01:01:19,907
means more than the other to seek, go
or create, which one do you choose?
01:01:19,907 --> 01:01:20,287
01:01:21,237 --> 01:01:21,957
Mimika Cooney: I love them all.
01:01:21,987 --> 01:01:25,157
And, I would definitely say probably
the one thing that I am a big
01:01:25,167 --> 01:01:27,447
proponent of is the go get up and go.
01:01:27,942 --> 01:01:30,912
We no more inaction, no
more sitting and waiting.
01:01:30,922 --> 01:01:32,832
If you're wanting a sign, this is it.
01:01:33,152 --> 01:01:36,652
Take the action today, but don't
forget the seek part, which I think is,
01:01:36,652 --> 01:01:40,612
seeking God will for your life, asking
him the questions, being willing to
01:01:40,612 --> 01:01:44,972
seek within yourself and ask the hard
questions of why you do what you do
01:01:45,372 --> 01:01:46,892
and then allow yourself to be creative.
01:01:46,892 --> 01:01:50,192
I think a lot of us are missing
that, that piece of just.
01:01:50,482 --> 01:01:54,302
Tapping into who God made us to be instead
of us trying to be something and someone,
01:01:54,302 --> 01:01:57,912
and, going back to that, the whole
process of walking out your own path.
01:01:58,092 --> 01:02:01,512
I have a saying that says trying to
wear somebody else's shoes is like
01:02:01,912 --> 01:02:04,592
very uncomfortable and not going
to take you where you're going.
01:02:04,612 --> 01:02:06,592
And it's just definitely not my style.
01:02:06,732 --> 01:02:11,362
So how about you just pick the way that
God has planned for you and then go out
01:02:11,402 --> 01:02:14,212
and do it because action changes things.
01:02:15,907 --> 01:02:16,447
Tim Winders: Excellent.
01:02:16,467 --> 01:02:18,577
Thank you for this conversation.
01:02:18,587 --> 01:02:21,567
Mimica, please go check out mimicacoonie.
01:02:21,597 --> 01:02:27,067
com to connect with Mimica and make
sure you get the book unstick your mind.
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I could guarantee from reading through
what I read through that it's got
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value regardless of where you are.
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If you're in a stuck position.
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But even if you're just wanting
to move forward, maybe at a faster
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pace or at a different pace,
I think there's value there.
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So check that out.
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I'm going to ask one more big favor.
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If you've listened in, I can almost
guarantee you that you thought of
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someone while you were listening to
this, maybe you thought of yourself,
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which is valuable, I believe, but
someone else take a screenshot or
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share the YouTube video or something.
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If this will minister to
them, please share it.
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I know that would be helpful.
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They will thank you for it.
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And it's the number one way
that this type content gets
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put into other people's hands.
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So please do that.
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We have new episodes every
Monday here at Seek, Go Create.
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Until next time, continue being
all that you were created to be.