From Stuck to Unstuck: Taking Small Steps Towards Personal Growth and Transformation with Mimika Cooney

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We have free will because people have to choose to want to change.

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People have to choose to want to change

their situation, their environment,

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their thoughts, their behaviors,

their actions, their relationships,

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their financial status, whatever.

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There has to be a shift in choice.

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So if you're ready to, if you're

tired of being hopeless and cause

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the good news is there is hope.

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Tim Winders: This is Tim Winders I am an

executive coach and I'd like to welcome

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you to the Seek Go Create podcast.

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This is where we challenge the

conventional definitions of success.

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We like to bust them up at times too.

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And we explore stories of transformation

in leadership, business, and ministry.

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All of those will be part of

what we're talking about today.

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I have the privilege of

interviewing Mamika Cooney.

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She's a renowned faith based

Christian mindset, author and speaker.

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And I saw somewhere where she's

known as a personal trainer for

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your mind, which is really cool.

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She's got a passion for empowering

purpose driven individuals.

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She combines neuroscience, positive

psychology and faith based principles

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to help individuals rewire their minds.

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And I love that term rewire.

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let's have a fun conversation.

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Mimika, welcome to Seek Go Create.

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Mimika Cooney: thanks for having me.

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I'm so excited to be here.

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I love these conversations,

especially with a bunch of go

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getters who are, going somewhere.

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So this is going to be super fun.

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Tim Winders: I think that's the

power of this, if people were jumping

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in here to be entertained and all

that, I don't think that's where

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we're going with this conversation.

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This is to, press some buttons

and get some people thinking.

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So let's get started.

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Let's, let's do this little

pretend thing either.

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while I'm out on the

road, I live in an RV.

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I don't know if I told you that when

we got started, this is an RV behind

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me and my wife and I travel full time

while I'm traveling, or I pop in and

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out of North Carolina where you're at.

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And I just bump into you and we

meet and I ask you what you do.

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What's your answer when

someone asks you what you do?

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Mimika Cooney: when someone asks me what

I do, I love to trigger the conversation

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with something that goes like, I am

your personal trainer for your mind.

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And it's a tagline I developed a while

ago, cause I was thinking, how do

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I put this in a way that people can

understand, especially when you talk

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about mindset, cause it can seem a

little ethereal and everyone knows if

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you have a personal trainer and you're

going to the gym and you want to get

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fit, what does the personal trainer do?

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Drives.

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Action, right?

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So if we on this seek, go create for,

I'm sure there's no surprises is which

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one I'm going to pick because I'm all

about in, encouraging others to challenge

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themselves to set a path and a goal.

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And I make no excuses or apologies for

pushing you to out of your comfort zone.

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So I love to press buttons Some people

call me the fire starter or the trigger,

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cause I'm really happy to push people

To realize so they can get to where

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they really believe and really just, I

know potential is such an overused word,

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but I think that's a lot is untapped.

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So yes, I would call myself the

personal trainer for your mind.

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Tim Winders: that's good.

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I like that tagline because it

does get you thinking in it.

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And it probably, I think here's

the thing that's interesting.

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If someone doesn't follow up

with, tell me more, that tells

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you a lot about them, doesn't it?

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Mimika Cooney: Exactly.

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So the whole idea is if this was an

elevator conversation and you'd have to

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tell you what I do, the fact is that you

would associate the actions of a personal

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trainer and you know what that goes with.

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So I don't even have to explain myself.

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It just is pretty much there, but what

really opens conversation is, and this

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is what I love and what I'm so excited

about that you're doing in the faith

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based community is really talking

about the mind, because I think it's

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part of the process that we haven't

necessarily been taught in church

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to actually how do we walk this out.

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And to me, I'm a walking

billboard for Romans 12 too,

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which is renew your mind daily.

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And I'm like, okay, I

take that as a command.

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If God says I need to do that,

it's like I shower every day.

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we're advised to exercise every

day and take care of our physical

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health, but why not our mental health?

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So that's why I'm on a

mission to do what I do today.

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Tim Winders: So Mamika, one thing that's

fascinating, I was about to go and have

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a conversation about South Africa and

all that, but I'm going to pause that.

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One thing that's fascinating for me, and

I've been, I was hard charging business

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guy before I became a follower of Christ.

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so I was already into personal

development and things like that.

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But there is a bit of a, Something

that I observed, so I'm going to ask it

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and let you respond to it, that a lot

of people have this thought that they

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make a decision to follow Christ, be

saved, whatever, salvation experience,

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whatever term people use for that

experience, and they have this thought

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that everything in their life is going

to change for the better, and they're

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not going to think certain thoughts

anymore, or, sinful thoughts, whatever.

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and what I'm hearing you say, and I agree

with it, is that's not always the case.

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Why is there the need for people that have

been reborn to, to renew their mind daily?

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Mimika Cooney: it's a very good question

because, God's word says he gives

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us the instructions of how to live.

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But, and this is unfortunately,

we've been taught through this

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religious lens that, you come to

Jesus and everything will be fine.

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And I'm like, I've been walking

with Jesus since I was 10 and

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I have him and I have a close

relationship, but he's also practical.

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he's practical in the terms of

his, how do you walk out your faith

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sitting in on a pew on a Sunday just

doing the thing, ticking off the

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box and saying, I went to church.

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And then going back to your usual life,

living in, in disappointment and sickness

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and all the negative things we live in.

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And I think that's why God gets a

bad rap, because he's hello people.

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I've given you the tools,

like you come to the Lord.

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And the great thing about that

is then we now have our soul.

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And our spirit and our body, but

our spirit is renewed at salvation.

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But what we are not taught

is that the soul needs work.

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The soul is the mind,

the will, the emotions.

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We are still a human being.

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And in that being, we

have to put some work in.

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So just like we say, alluding to

the fact is if you want to be fit.

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You've got to put the exercises in and

you've got to do the work and it's going

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to involve some blood, sweat and tears.

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And sometimes, and I should

say often you're going to be

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pushing up against resistance

because that's the way we wired.

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So we could have a whole conversation

about how the, what the brand works

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and, marrying how neuroscience is

finally catching up with the Bible.

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But what I'd like to invite people to say.

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As we dive into this conversation, just

to have an open mind that even if you've

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been in church or your life, I've, I

was too, there were a lot of things we

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were taught that made us fearful and

closed our minds to actually hearing

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what God's trying to say, because the

world itself has taken what God's.

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desire and twisted it.

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So there's a lot of new, evidence

that's being, being revealed

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in the area of neuroscience.

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And it's not something to shy away from.

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some people have a love hate

relationship with personal development,

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but I always say, God gives us

an instruction to do something.

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He's going to give us the tool.

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So how about we just go to work

and do it and realize it does

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involve us putting in the efforts.

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It all goes back to action again.

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So yeah, definitely more layers

to this and we can go into

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Tim Winders: It is.

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and I think one of the things, and I'm

pretty confident if someone's listening

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in here that they have the belief that

they can change and make adjustments.

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And I think I read somewhere you

mentioned, teaching old dogs, new tricks.

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And, I think I saw related life.

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You decided to figure skate, which

we'll maybe talk about that later

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because a lot of people, they have this.

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I think Dweck, Dweck calls it a fixed

mindset where they believe that whatever

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they've got at the age of 18, that's

where they are for the next 30, years.

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And I'm pretty confident that

you and I don't believe that way.

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And I'm pretty confident that the

listener does, but I do think people get.

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Tripped up along the way and I think

that's the value of, the book that you

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wrote and all that we're going to talk

about here, but before I get too much

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farther, I do want to talk a little

bit about how you came to be here.

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we do need to cover the accent here.

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People know I'm from the South and I,

it comes out every once in a while.

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You are also from the South,

but a different South.

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Tell us a little bit about Mimika

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Mimika Cooney: Well, I'm

originally from South Africa, so

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I'm way South way Southern tip.

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I was born and raised in

Johannesburg, South Africa.

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both my husband and I met and married

and, Started our lives and businesses

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in South Africa and, people always

ask me, so how did you get to America?

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I'm like, on an airplane, duh.

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But besides that, the whole intention

of being here was he has been, we've

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worked in the internet business since 95.

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I'm dating myself here.

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And, South Africa is a known for

its forward thinking terms of.

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Being on the world stage because of

its past, but we found the opportunity

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and definitely was God led that

brought us to the USA and we've been

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here since 2006, but I don't lose

my accent because it's where I was

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born and raised and learned language.

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and what I love about that is it just

gives me a different perspective.

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half of my family are in England.

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We actually lived in

England for six years.

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So my husband and I have gone through,

the wilderness on the walls of

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establishing four different companies

and two and three continents.

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So we are not afraid of taking risk, of

trying things that are hard, persistence,

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grit, determination, all the things.

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yeah, And I just, I love

having these conversations.

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I'm naturally curious about where people's

origin stories are because I believe,

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God's writing our story every day.

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So it's just, it's great when you

connect the dots and you can see

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that there's like mindedness and it

doesn't really matter where we are.

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Tim Winders: the origin story

goes into the, we'll use the word

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programming of our mind and sometimes

even emotions and things like that.

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Are there any, I've actually visited,

let's see, it was the late nineties, I

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think I visited South Africa multiple

times with some business and Cape

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Town is one of the most beautiful

cities in the world, I believe.

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Been to Port Elizabeth and Johannesburg,

I think, which is where you're from.

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And I think South Africa is a

beautiful country, but what I

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wanted to ask was culturally.

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Many times we're a product of a lot

of culture, and I'd love for you to

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contrast or, give some differences

that you observed when you came from

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that Culture that is South Africa.

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And then you came to, I think you

came to the Southern U S but, what

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are some things that are differences?

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Because I think it's part of

what people have to do when they

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start unsticking their mind.

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They have to know a little bit

about their origin to make some

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adjustments and corrections.

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Do you agree with that?

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Mimika Cooney: Definitely.

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I'm excited about this question because

no one's actually asked me, but I think

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it's such an integral part of how our

brains are wired, how we are made,

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because a lot of our mental programming

comes from how we were raised, especially

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the first 10 years of our life lives.

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And to me, it is a great

observation that I've made.

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So I've lived, in South, we

were born and raised in South

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Africa and then lived in England.

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And it's, there's a different culture

too, and then moved to the USA.

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So I have a great way of looking

at assessing and there's always,

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good and bad and everything.

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There's no perfect place.

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Let me put it this way.

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No country has it all together.

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There are.

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Pros and cons of each, what I've realized

is we can learn from our past, but it

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doesn't mean we're stuck in our past.

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So an example, if we go back to the way

I was raised in South Africa, I was born

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in the seventies, raised in the eighties.

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So I went through apartheid and in

actual fact, my last year in high

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school was the year Mandela came

to power and we lived in a very.

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Unstable political environment.

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Like they even canceled classes.

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And my situation was, I didn't actually go

to college because colleges were closed.

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They were, there was civil unrest.

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There was a lot of fear.

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people were getting

murdered in the streets.

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that sense of, Oh my

gosh, there's no hope.

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What do we do?

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as a young South African

finishing school, So we

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had this goal of, we, we just didn't

feel like this is where the opportunities

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would be for us, especially for

our, our family as we were moving

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forward and we'd realized we.

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We couldn't just sit in a corner and

cry, and this is why South Africans,

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if you know us, we're tough because

things are not given to us on a platter.

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We have to fight for what's ours.

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We don't have free medical.

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We don't have, free deliveries.

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you either, you get up

and work or you starve.

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There's no other option.

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The disparity between those

who have and have not is huge.

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I'm sure if you've visited.

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There's a lot of poverty just out on

the street and you're exposed to that.

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And I was raised as you better be

grateful for what you have, and you

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better just pull up your socks and

stop complaining there's someone

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else who's worse off than you.

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And you need to count your blessings,

but you have to work for it.

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Nothing is given to you.

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And I think that's why we

have this innate work ethic.

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That's no matter what we are going to

push through, that's built in grit.

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And I just thought everybody was the same.

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But I'd realized as I'd gone to

different countries now, England

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as well has its own things.

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There's a, I consider America

and Europe first world.

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because, things like Amazon works, you

can, internet works, running water works.

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and I'd realized it's again, the mindset,

like to compare and contrast the mindset

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I was shocked by in England was a lot

of this, this apathy towards action.

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So it's, again, England is an old society,

it's a beautiful country and there's

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a lot going for it, but people aren't

given, there isn't like that need for,

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you've got to get up and feed yourself.

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and.

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Which is fine.

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And it works because, for example,

there's the national health system,

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which they've seemed to perfect it.

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And it works great.

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Then of course, coming to America

was another cultural shock because

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going from South Africa and England,

America is 10 times the size.

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So in terms of the business sense, what my

husband and I were really shocked with is.

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The amount of competition, you think

you have a great idea until you come to

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America, you try and make it in America

and you realize you're one of many.

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And your idea is an original

and you are seen as a foreigner.

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But at the same time, what I

love about Americans, they are

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very welcoming to foreigners.

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It's like everybody, if you think

about it, our history, our heritage,

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our generations, Americans.

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are similar to South

Africans, that we're pioneers.

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If we look at our generations

past, like who were our, ancestors

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going, 100 or 200 years, these were

people who were freedom fighters.

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They wanted more.

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They went to the new land.

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They were ready to discover new horizons.

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They were ready to put

themselves through hard stuff.

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So I think we're all made.

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Of grit, right?

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We all have it in us, but sorry to

say the society has made us soft.

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We live in an instant society.

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We have an app for this and

we have a microwave for that.

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And we have an 24, 24 seven

deliveries and open shops and,

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Amazon deliveries within four hours.

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we've become spoiled.

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And unfortunately that

creates apathy again.

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And, and without really having that desire

and that need to know, I need to work

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for something or want these, it's almost

like the husband and I talk about this.

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You need struggle because

struggle is resistance, right?

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It's like going to the gym again.

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If the weights are too easy to lift,

they're not going to do you any good.

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It's when you press in and you come

up against the hard and you realize

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what you're actually made of by

pushing against those comfort zones,

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by pushing against those resistance.

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That is when the real magic happens.

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To summarize your question, there are

a lot of contrasting differences, but

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again, at the same, we are all human

and we all have this desire for more.

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And especially for us with, who,

what I call compass based on faith.

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I know for me personally, I want to

do what God has designed me for, and

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I want to really slot into pursuing

my purpose, the way God designed it.

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And sometimes it requires taking off old.

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Mindsets, working through old

programming, because maybe what mom

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and dad taught us over the dining

room table wasn't the most useful.

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But the good news is you can change.

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You're not stuck with the brain you have.

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And science has finally proven

what the Bible has always said,

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that we can renew our minds.

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So I think it's good news.

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Tim Winders: That is good news.

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one thing you brought up, the

American culture and one of

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the things that is interesting,

South Africa might be similar.

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When I was in Australia, I noticed there,

there is this, I'll call it just an

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air that hangs over certain countries.

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We.

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Rebelled.

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That's how we were formed.

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We were a rebellious country from the

start, and in many ways we still are.

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and, you know, Australia, they

started, they were sort of rebellious,

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penal colony and things like that.

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south Africa's got unique culture

in that, that it was a place where

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I think a lot of people stopped off

as they were going around the cape.

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And so it has this real, a lot of culture.

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I noticed that when I was down

there, especially over in Cape Town.

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And then we also, I love what you

brought up, we have this abundance

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in our first world cultures that

is, I think, beyond anything that we

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really even can imagine and think.

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And I wonder at times, and this is

going to go back to maybe a spiritual

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question, if we really are if we

really have a prosperity gospel,

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even though I know that's a bad word,

I grew up in a prosperity gospel

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church, so I'm, it's like there's

good and bad of a lot of things.

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I do wonder if we think that everything is

going to be awesome and great, going back

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to an earlier question, and that any type

of struggle that might perfect us, we just

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run away from that and try to avoid that.

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What thoughts do you have on that?

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Mimika Cooney: Oh my gosh,

how much time do we have?

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You're going to get me

on a rant, I'll tell you.

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Tim Winders: I like rants.

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Let's do some ranting.

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Mimika Cooney: I'm a totally,

an open booker, right?

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I call myself a WYSIWYG.

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What you see is what you get.

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And as South Africans are direct,

we are going to tell you straight.

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And to come to this question.

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So what I do believe is America is Really

saturated and what we call the prosperity

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gospel, which is just come to Jesus and

everything's fun automatically overnight.

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You're going to be just fabulous

and fit and trim and just

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flying, because it's instant.

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Of course, it's great.

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But what I found is that we have

a lack of honesty and especially

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here in the South where I live.

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That was a huge shock for

me because I'm used to.

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If someone says, what

do you think about that?

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I feel it's my obligation to give you

my honest opinion, not to sugarcoat

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it or to pretend that I'm going to

tell you something, that's nice.

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But meanwhile, at the back of

the ranch, I'm complaining and

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I have a knife out to get you.

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And to me, that was a huge

shock was like the, it's, I

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don't know what word to put it.

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I suppose it's this in turn,

I'm not dissing anybody

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Southern what I'm just saying.

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It's a behavioral reaction

to avoiding the truth.

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Really being honest.

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And I found, Americans, especially,

and actually even in European as well,

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everyone wants to pretend it's fine.

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And we all wear these masks and

it's like, no, no, no, it's fine.

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Oh, I'm suffering terribly, but

I'm going to make it look great.

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It's all fabulous.

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It's a silver bullet.

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There's a, I can marketing.

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It drives me crazy with this.

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Just do this one thing.

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And then instantly you'll

get this amazing result.

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And it's not true.

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And I feel we lack a lot of honesty

and transparency because We just want

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everyone to think we have it all together.

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Instagram and Facebook and

social media itself, we put

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our best foot forward, right?

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We don't really want people to know.

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And I'm like, I'm going to

tell you the hard stuff.

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I'm going to tell you where I messed

up because I ain't learning from your

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sugar coated, protect, pretend world.

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I want to learn the real grit.

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what did you actually do that did that?

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And wow.

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So I'm not the only one.

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I'm not going crazy.

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I'm not the only one

who's feeding this web.

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So I do feel, The more honest we

can be with ourselves and just

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to start to question and say, I

really believe this about myself.

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Is this true?

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Like I was taught this and it was

drummed into me that, a good girl

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doesn't give her honest opinion.

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She just smiles and waves.

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And I'm like, is that really in

service to myself and the other person?

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Is my lack of honesty really going

to take the relationship further?

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And I always go back to

thinking, what did Jesus do?

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Jesus was a rebel.

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He upset a lot of people.

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He came and he took that, Sadducee and

Pharisees and really offended them because

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they were in the church and they had

their religiosity of their lists and the

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things that you did and how you went to

synagogue and aka church on a Sunday.

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And this is the place and this is the

only place God could be was in the temple.

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He totally threw that upside down.

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He didn't say, come, we're going to

have a building fund and then we're

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going to build a building on the corner

of 6th and 7th Avenue and you're going

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to come on Sunday to meet me there.

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No, he went to the people.

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He went, met them where they were in

their homes, had food with them, met

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them, on the side of the shore of the

lake or, in the middle of the desert.

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And I'm like, Jesus's ministry was based

on meeting people where they're at.

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Why do we keep having this fake

facade, like even church itself?

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Why do we have to feel like

it has to be an entertainment?

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I've got, Jesus wasn't into entertaining.

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He was teaching and preaching

and reaching people.

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And even if you think about metaphors

and the parables, it's so they

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could understand what he was saying.

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So I always think, we live in a modern

society where there's an instant this and

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the fancy this and all this technology

but I think we've missed the point.

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I think we've missed the simplicity

of what Jesus's whole thing was to

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us, is to go out and make disciples

out of what is the word disciple?

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Discipline.

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Sorry to say, modern

society lacks discipline.

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We don't want to do the work.

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We don't want to do the effort and

do the, and allow ourselves to sweat

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and, To work through the hard things,

we want to just pretend it's fine.

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So it's no wonder we just keep going

for our fix on a Sunday, hoping

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that our lives will be better.

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But if you're not applying the truths,

you're not putting it into action.

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Nothing changes.

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So yeah, told you I'd get me on a rant.

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Tim Winders: I like rants.

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That's my job here is to see

if I could pull a rant out of,

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of Mimika and it's working.

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My, my plan is working.

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What is, this is something

that always fascinates me.

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I was actually saved in a business

setting, not in a church setting.

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So at times I could be slightly

critical of the way they do things

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in what we'll call church world.

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That's the way I use it.

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and so I wanted to ask the question,

I think you said you were saved

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or started being a follower of

Christ around the age of 10.

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Have you ever done any of the

work you're currently doing

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without the faith component?

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and let me, and I'll follow it

up with my follow up question.

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I'll let you answer that.

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Because I'm curious why.

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Why is it a challenge when we bring

faith into the mindset question?

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Because it's totally a

thing outside of faith too.

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personal development, self

improvement, all of that's outside.

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And there's plenty of people that

have, that do this without faith.

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Have you always done it with faith?

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And what are some specific challenges

when we bring faith into the equation?

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Mimika Cooney: It's a great question.

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And this is one of the

reasons I'm on a mission.

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So I don't believe that we

should be separating mindset work

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from faith and physical work.

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and hear me out here.

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God made us a human being, right?

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And as a body and as a person, we are

made up of spirit, body, and soul.

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Now a spirit, Is who we

really are intrinsically.

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if you took off this human

body, who would we be at our

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core and who God made us to be?

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That is who we meet when we

become Christians, right?

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So we have that, I call it the inner

compass, almost like that secret

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agent inside, who's always going

to give us, like you see these spy

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movies where they have the earpiece

and that to me is the Holy Spirit.

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I'm like, okay, we were going here.

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We're going to sit there.

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And it's like always direct to

me, giving me the insider secrets.

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Now we have our mind, which is,

where I saw, which is our mind.

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I will, and our emotions

and our mind is made up.

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We have the physical brain matter, but

our mind is also connected to our spirit.

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And then we have the body,

which is the physical side.

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And to me, one of the, my pet

peeves is how the world has made

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us separate everything, and I never

think that's been God's design.

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And the reason why I'm so gung ho

about connecting the spirit with

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the mind is because that's how we.

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become whole.

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Now don't get scary and twisted

about, things like holistic words and

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neuroscience and personal development.

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And I think this is part of the problem

is that Pharisee spirit of being a

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religious has made us separate the tools

that God is giving us and not apply them.

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So we stay stuck.

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So what I mean by that is, we

go to church, we learn about our

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spirit and we feed our spirit.

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We don't realize we still

have to work on our soul.

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You still have to get rid

of those emotional moons.

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We have to get rid of those

mindsets and learn how to control

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our emotions and not live by them.

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But we're not taught this.

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And I'm like, something is wrong here.

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Like I'm a strategist and I look at

things and I see the problems and

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I see like a piece of chess board.

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: 00:25:08

Like, how do we connect the dots?

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And the more I've researched this,

and even the fact that I do what I do

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today, like I was in the business world.

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Like I didn't come from church back

when I've never been to seminary, but

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I've been a Christian since I was 10.

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So I've walked with Jesus like

major buddies since whatever,

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like everything we do, I'm like,

okay, what are we doing today?

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And to me, it's even when I did business

and I'd realized that disconnect of

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keeping God out of your business.

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As a Christian, it's almost impossible,

and those who try to treat, say the

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mindset, and we have this personal

development and a lot of the new

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age neuroscience, we stuff has

come out of that where self luck

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example, have a problem, self help.

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Because there's limits to self,

you don't know what you don't know.

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And all of us suffer from blind

spots and you don't know what you're

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blind to until someone points it out.

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But the problem is if you try to fix

these solutions by yourself without

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being a holistic and including the

mind, the spirit, the body, the soul.

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You're missing huge pieces.

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For example, take it

to the business world.

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Like I think back when I was running

my marketing and branding agency, I was

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so driven to keep doing the best and be

a perfectionist and do the most things

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: 00:26:14

and warm up, worn myself out until I

physically hit burnout and I couldn't

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: 00:26:18

do it anymore after all the stresses of

immigrating country, trying to do all the

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: 00:26:22

things, being a wonder woman and, best mom

in the world, eventually I hit the wall

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where I just physically couldn't do it.

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: 00:26:28

Because I kept thinking that if I just

worked on the one side, the rest would

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just follow, it would fix itself.

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And I'd realized God said,

no, you need to stop.

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: 00:26:37

It's time to be well, you're not

well, you're not whole you fragmented.

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There's parts of you.

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And I realized, and I look back,

why was I so driven to prove myself?

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And I'd realized I was addicted

to approval, people pleasing and

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being a perfectionist because

I had an undealt with route of

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rejection from being a child.

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And I was like, Oh, so that

10 year old programming.

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And I took that on as a narrative to,

this is how I prove my worth is by

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constantly performing these tricks,

jumping through hoops and showing people

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: 00:27:05

I'm perfect and have it all together.

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: 00:27:07

And God's no, that's not how we do it.

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: 00:27:10

And I'd realized I'd been repeating the

same behaviors, same patterns, and I call

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them the boomerang thoughts and behaviors.

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: 00:27:16

I kept going back to the same point

thinking, why am I not getting

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a breakthrough with my business?

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: 00:27:20

Why am I keep doing the same thing?

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: 00:27:23

Why am I attracting the same kind

of clients who have the same issues?

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: 00:27:26

And I was like, It's because

I haven't dealt with me.

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I haven't looked under

the hood of my wiring.

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: 00:27:31

I'm in this car that's taking me a

hundred miles an hour to somewhere.

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: 00:27:35

I don't even want to be like,

hello, somebody help me.

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: 00:27:39

So I wouldn't advise you

wait until you hit the wall.

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Like I did in crash and burn.

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: 00:27:42

That's why I'm passionate about

what I do now is I feel God's

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you've got business background.

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You have that mind of strategy and

looking at problems and solutions.

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And I have a heart for connecting

people to who they really are.

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And for me, it's as I look at it and

to answer your question, I have taught

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this concept of, how do you approach

personal development and mindset?

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you can take God out of it, but

there is always something missing.

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: 00:28:07

It always comes back to what

I call the purpose piece.

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We're all driven by purpose fuel.

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And what are you filling your tank with?

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Is it.

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Is it, approval, is it, accolades,

is it, attention seeking, or is

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: 00:28:21

it some vice, whatever, and that

missing piece is always God.

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And the atheists of the world can

try to admit that they can function

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without God, but the more the world

goes, the more they carry on God's

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They're missing the big point.

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So that's why I was challenged on this.

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: 00:28:36

And a lot of people have said to me,

even when I wrote my book, they said, why

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can't you just take the Jesus part out?

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: 00:28:41

Cause you know, you could do so much

better and reach a bigger audience

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: 00:28:44

and position you in the business

and the personal development space

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against the, some of the big.

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: 00:28:48

Anthony Robbins.

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: 00:28:49

And I'm like, I feel strongly

that this is God's calling for me.

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: 00:28:53

Is that it's this narrative of Christian

mindset and neuroscience and faith

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can be worked through a process.

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And that's what I've developed in my

own program is a, there is a process.

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: 00:29:05

So even though we've heard in church,

you need to renew your mind and be

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: 00:29:08

like, Oh, bless great bumper sticker.

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: 00:29:10

What does it mean exactly?

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And how do we do that?

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: 00:29:15

Can someone be practical, please?

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: 00:29:16

So at the end of the day, I'm just

your practical sister over here is

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going to teach him like, honey, I

know we're not doing that no more.

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: 00:29:21

That doesn't suit you.

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: 00:29:22

Can we stop that?

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How about we try this?

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And so far over the last sort of

five years of me really honing

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this in and trying and learning.

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: 00:29:30

And, I've realized I had to

get rid of the junk in my trunk

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before I could help others.

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: 00:29:34

I had to put on my breathing

mask, my oxygen mask.

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: 00:29:37

Cause I was but to pass out trying to

help people when I couldn't help myself.

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: 00:29:42

And I realized I had to

get back to being whole.

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: 00:29:44

And the only way to do that is

to reconnect your spirit with

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your soul and your purpose with

the way God designed you to be.

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Tim Winders: Sounds like you

had to go through this is what

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we, the language we use here.

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: 00:29:57

You had to redefine that

success at that point.

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: 00:30:01

And sounds like it was a few years ago.

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: 00:30:04

How are you doing now?

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Mimika Cooney: Oh, much better.

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I'm like, girl, why did

it, what took you so long?

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: 00:30:11

Tim Winders: Are you

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: 00:30:11

Mimika Cooney: I look back

and no one, no, one's perfect.

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: 00:30:14

Honey, I am a work in progress.

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: 00:30:15

Like I'll be the first one to admit

I had to give up my membership

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: 00:30:18

to control Freaks Anonymous.

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: 00:30:20

And every day she keeps calling.

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: 00:30:21

I'm like, honey, that's

no, we're not doing that.

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And so for me, I've had to

work through getting over the

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: 00:30:26

perfectionism and rather do things.

610

: 00:30:28

Yeah.

611

: 00:30:29

But again, it's a renewing,

it's a constant do.

612

: 00:30:31

Like I say, the way that I, I

have great way of looking at it

613

: 00:30:34

is I'm going to take a physical

shower to wash myself every day.

614

: 00:30:38

I've got to take a spiritual

and the mental shower.

615

: 00:30:41

Now we, spiritual side about prayer and

meditation, and it really is important

616

: 00:30:45

that we do that too, because that is

also part of renewal, but I have to

617

: 00:30:49

be willing to renew my mind daily.

618

: 00:30:52

So I say part of that is taking a

daily mental shower, cleaning up the

619

: 00:30:55

junk, like a negative thought comes in.

620

: 00:30:58

How do we take a captive?

621

: 00:30:59

We approach it and say, wait a second.

622

: 00:31:02

That's a negative thought.

623

: 00:31:03

Let me go back to what the Bible says.

624

: 00:31:04

The Bible says I'm loved and I'm chosen

and I'm equipped with everything I need.

625

: 00:31:10

And no weapon formed against me.

626

: 00:31:11

So that's sort of fear based

thinking of Oh my gosh, who are you?

627

: 00:31:14

Why, and why would you even try?

628

: 00:31:16

I'm like, no.

629

: 00:31:17

Delete, but that takes

a process and learning.

630

: 00:31:20

And I'm still in the process of learning.

631

: 00:31:21

I'm never a hundred percent.

632

: 00:31:24

And of course, the alcoholics anonymous

always say how you get changes, you

633

: 00:31:27

have to admit you have a problem.

634

: 00:31:29

And for me, I was living in denial

city with a permanent address

635

: 00:31:31

and zip code in denial town.

636

: 00:31:33

And until I could realize I had a problem.

637

: 00:31:37

Nothing changed.

638

: 00:31:38

And, this is the thing.

639

: 00:31:39

It's just like exercise.

640

: 00:31:41

I always say, I wish we could just

go to gym, gain all the muscle we

641

: 00:31:44

wanted, and it would just stay.

642

: 00:31:47

It never works that way.

643

: 00:31:48

I don't have a lot.

644

: 00:31:48

The last time you've been to gym

or you've done some exercise,

645

: 00:31:51

you've got to keep it up.

646

: 00:31:52

It's like a continual process.

647

: 00:31:54

And it's the same thing that how God

expects us to walk out this walk of

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: 00:31:57

faith in our life itself is just to

continually learn because we're going.

649

: 00:32:01

From glory to glory.

650

: 00:32:03

And if we open and willing and

have a humble heart to letting

651

: 00:32:05

God show us and say, okay, God,

what are we working on today?

652

: 00:32:09

He says, I know we worked on this before,

but you still have some work to do.

653

: 00:32:12

You're not done.

654

: 00:32:13

We're going to go again, and

it's like layers of an onion.

655

: 00:32:16

And if you've ever cut an onion,

you're going to cry, but as you

656

: 00:32:19

get the layers off the layers

off, there's just more to them.

657

: 00:32:23

And eventually we want

to get back to the core.

658

: 00:32:25

And I think that we'll keep doing

this until the day we die, because

659

: 00:32:27

that is part of the human condition

is constantly renewing ourselves and

660

: 00:32:32

getting closer and closer to the Lord.

661

: 00:32:33

So that's why I'm passionate

about what I do today.

662

: 00:32:36

And of course, I'm not

everybody's cup of tea.

663

: 00:32:38

Because I'm very direct, very honest,

and I'm going to tell you straight

664

: 00:32:41

and I don't show code anything, but I

think that's what we need in this world

665

: 00:32:44

is honesty, transparency and clarity.

666

: 00:32:47

Are we willing to be

honest with ourselves?

667

: 00:32:50

Are we willing to be

honest with each other?

668

: 00:32:52

And are we willing to hold each

other up and say, Hey, I'm going

669

: 00:32:54

to be your mirror for today.

670

: 00:32:55

Let's do this.

671

: 00:32:57

And then we'll see breakthrough.

672

: 00:32:59

Tim Winders: I feel very confident from

listening to you and hearing you that

673

: 00:33:04

you have some skills and talents and

habits that would make you successful

674

: 00:33:14

in what we'll call the world system.

675

: 00:33:16

Let's just say that.

676

: 00:33:18

But yet it seems as if a few years back,

five or six years back, you hit a wall

677

: 00:33:23

that those things didn't work anymore.

678

: 00:33:27

This is a question that has no

answer, but I'll just ask it

679

: 00:33:30

and you can give your thoughts.

680

: 00:33:33

I have this thought that those of us

that Bring faith into the equation

681

: 00:33:39

that we will come to a place in time

where we realize our talent skills

682

: 00:33:46

I don't want to say isn't enough.

683

: 00:33:48

It's just, we can't just

keep running on those.

684

: 00:33:51

You brought up the car analogy.

685

: 00:33:52

We're going to run out of gas or oil is

going to leak out or something like that.

686

: 00:33:56

Because I think that's

what happened with me.

687

: 00:33:57

someone would have looked at

me years ago and said, Oh yeah,

688

: 00:33:59

can do certain things well.

689

: 00:34:01

And that equates to success

in this world system.

690

: 00:34:04

But yet in kingdom of God language,

There's something that he needs that

691

: 00:34:10

he doesn't have, the ability to be at

rest, the ability to allow God to, work

692

: 00:34:16

his way through all he's doing and all.

693

: 00:34:21

And so I do think that people of

faith, and I hate to say this because

694

: 00:34:25

it, it projects that you're going

to have to get this worked out.

695

: 00:34:30

And that is that what works for you

in a world system is not going to

696

: 00:34:37

work in Kingdom of God's system.

697

: 00:34:39

What are your thoughts when I just go on

that little mini rant that I just did?

698

: 00:34:44

Mimika Cooney: Definitely.

699

: 00:34:44

I would agree that we cannot apply the

world systems to how God's kingdom works.

700

: 00:34:51

And this is a whole point of

why we feel like foreigners.

701

: 00:34:55

Because it's not, we're not, our DNA

doesn't design isn't designed for this.

702

: 00:34:59

And I always say, if you think about

it, what did the devil do when he tried

703

: 00:35:02

to tempt Jesus back in the wilderness?

704

: 00:35:04

He tried to have him

question his identity.

705

: 00:35:07

He wanted to question, he wanted to

entice him with the winds of the world,

706

: 00:35:11

which is success, honor, which come back

to pride and whatever monetary gains.

707

: 00:35:17

And if you think he has, the devil

is so lame, he hasn't given up that.

708

: 00:35:21

That sort of plan.

709

: 00:35:23

He's been using it again and again.

710

: 00:35:24

And I always like to look at things

and have a different perspective and

711

: 00:35:27

say, okay, why are we doing this?

712

: 00:35:30

What was the reason for this?

713

: 00:35:31

And who chose this way anyway is,

and does this actually suit us?

714

: 00:35:35

And if you take yourself out of the

equation and say, What if you stop

715

: 00:35:39

trying to chase that inevitable

mirage that the world keeps painting?

716

: 00:35:42

Because again, it's just,

they've done a sales job on you.

717

: 00:35:45

If you think that you're going to win

by, and of course, let me say, you

718

: 00:35:48

actually can win if you follow those,

if you're willing to sacrifice yourself,

719

: 00:35:54

your identity and yourself of purpose.

720

: 00:35:56

But I don't know about you, I'm assuming

we're speaking to a Christian audience and

721

: 00:36:00

there is inevitably that friction of that.

722

: 00:36:02

We know God's designed us for more.

723

: 00:36:04

We're not of this world, but we're in it.

724

: 00:36:05

So how do we learn to function in it?

725

: 00:36:07

And I say, I always loved,

I love superhero movies.

726

: 00:36:09

Okay.

727

: 00:36:09

You can tell which one

I'm going to align with.

728

: 00:36:11

Wonder Woman.

729

: 00:36:12

Yeah.

730

: 00:36:12

I love the fact that she has to go through

training the beginning of the movie.

731

: 00:36:15

If you see in these things that she's

got to do, and she knows she has this

732

: 00:36:18

purpose, this big thing she's got to do.

733

: 00:36:20

But she can't skip the training.

734

: 00:36:22

She doesn't going to know how to be

a good warrior and fight and know

735

: 00:36:26

the things until she tried and went

through the training, learned how to

736

: 00:36:29

fight, learned how to use the tools.

737

: 00:36:32

And I'm like, we see this in everyday

life, but we somehow think that we can

738

: 00:36:36

have an instant button and all of a

sudden we just fixed or all of a sudden.

739

: 00:36:40

It's just going to be automatic.

740

: 00:36:41

The last time I looked that you

take your car and for a service,

741

: 00:36:45

it takes a while just to fix.

742

: 00:36:47

Things and look under the hood, right?

743

: 00:36:49

It's never an instant thing.

744

: 00:36:50

So how about we just come to the

realization that if we want to be able to

745

: 00:36:54

be successful on God's agenda and God's

terms, we have to do things God's way.

746

: 00:36:59

And often his ways very counterintuitive

to what we've been taught.

747

: 00:37:03

So if we are willing and open to be

led by the Holy Spirit and say, okay,

748

: 00:37:06

God, what do we need to work on today?

749

: 00:37:07

What do I need to work on?

750

: 00:37:09

And that was part of my process.

751

: 00:37:10

And I call it the seven year wilderness.

752

: 00:37:12

And I'm sure a lot of us can, sometimes

I refer to The humbling, because if you

753

: 00:37:17

look at a lot of stories of scripture,

the people that God had to use the most

754

: 00:37:21

had to go through some form of humbling.

755

: 00:37:23

Moses was prideful and arrogant.

756

: 00:37:25

He thought he knew everything.

757

: 00:37:26

And then he spent all those years as a

shepherd and a nobody in the wilderness.

758

: 00:37:31

David spent time in the wilderness.

759

: 00:37:32

the list is endless, right?

760

: 00:37:34

So many of those people had to strip

that worldly identity, get close to God.

761

: 00:37:41

And it's the firing.

762

: 00:37:42

That's Working on a piece of clay and

you've got to put it through the fire.

763

: 00:37:44

And nobody likes the fire because it's

hurts and it's going to be painful.

764

: 00:37:48

But at the end of the day, if

we're not willing to go through the

765

: 00:37:51

process, we can't come out refined.

766

: 00:37:53

and part of what I realized is I

had been avoiding the process of

767

: 00:37:57

God's invitation the whole time.

768

: 00:37:59

And God is a gentleman.

769

: 00:38:00

He's never going to

force you to do anything.

770

: 00:38:01

He invites you.

771

: 00:38:03

And if you say no, he's okay, cool.

772

: 00:38:05

Whenever you're ready, I'm

going to sit here and wait.

773

: 00:38:07

And he says, in my case,

he's oh, are you done yet?

774

: 00:38:10

Are you ready?

775

: 00:38:11

Oh, okay.

776

: 00:38:11

Now we can work on it.

777

: 00:38:13

And it's only when we're willing

and able and saying, okay, God,

778

: 00:38:15

what is it you have for my life?

779

: 00:38:17

And here's the thing.

780

: 00:38:17

I have totally changed my trajectory,

my business model, my, I would say

781

: 00:38:22

probably what I do now is a blend of

ministry and business, but I'd realized

782

: 00:38:26

there was a bigger picture to this.

783

: 00:38:28

It's even those things, I learned back

in the day, Again, I'm dating myself,

784

: 00:38:32

the karate kid, the wax on wax off.

785

: 00:38:34

Remember that part of the movie where

he's what am I cleaning the wall?

786

: 00:38:37

And what was so annoying?

787

: 00:38:39

Most of us have been going

through that training process of

788

: 00:38:41

the waxing and the waxing off.

789

: 00:38:42

And I never realized when

it's going to be effective.

790

: 00:38:45

And one day we realized we are.

791

: 00:38:49

We hit the wall or we get challenged

with something and we realize,

792

: 00:38:53

Oh, that's why God had me do that.

793

: 00:38:56

Oh, that's why he made me learn that.

794

: 00:38:59

Oh, that's why I went

through that process.

795

: 00:39:01

And you start to connect the dots, but

so many of us are going in at a hundred

796

: 00:39:05

miles an hour down a train on a track.

797

: 00:39:06

We don't even want to go down or be.

798

: 00:39:08

Where it's going to end up, we're not

willing to wait and pause and say, okay,

799

: 00:39:11

God, what is it that you want of me?

800

: 00:39:13

So I, for me, I always say to people,

the reason I share my story is because

801

: 00:39:16

it took me way long, longer than it

should have to hit pause and to say,

802

: 00:39:21

let me reassess, let me spend the

time, is this motivation well placed?

803

: 00:39:26

do I want to be rich and famous

because I want to be rich and

804

: 00:39:28

famous always at God's plan.

805

: 00:39:31

And I think if we all just.

806

: 00:39:33

Allowed God to put us into the positions

and the jobs and the assignments and

807

: 00:39:37

the mantles he's designed for us.

808

: 00:39:39

We would have a lot more contentment

and peace and happiness if we just

809

: 00:39:42

did what God was wanting us to do.

810

: 00:39:44

So hopefully that's an encouragement

to just press forward and to continue

811

: 00:39:48

pursuing what you feel is true to you.

812

: 00:39:51

And it's amazing how much

more life is enjoyable.

813

: 00:39:53

Tim Winders: It is.

814

: 00:39:54

And I think the interesting thing in

our current culture is many people are

815

: 00:39:59

attempting to copy someone else's path

instead of walking their own path.

816

: 00:40:04

And we have a world where it's

so easy to compare because of

817

: 00:40:07

social media and things like that.

818

: 00:40:10

And, I love the word

assignment you just used.

819

: 00:40:12

That's really what I use.

820

: 00:40:14

my, my.

821

: 00:40:16

Action on a daily basis is identifying

what my assignment is in God's kingdom and

822

: 00:40:21

attempting as best I can to walk that out.

823

: 00:40:24

And, so I love that there's some words

I want us to bring up right now because

824

: 00:40:29

sometimes they are, they, they aren't.

825

: 00:40:32

understood, and they're definitely

not understood within the

826

: 00:40:35

faith community, words like

neuroscience and neuroplasticity.

827

: 00:40:39

And even we'll throw out a word you

brought up, self help and self care

828

: 00:40:45

and counseling and different things

like that, or sometimes things that.

829

: 00:40:52

People of faith push aside.

830

: 00:40:53

They don't even want to know blah,

blah, blah, cover their ears and eyes.

831

: 00:40:56

And so can you, and you don't have

to define each one of those, but just

832

: 00:40:59

in general, what are some of those

and why, especially faith people,

833

: 00:41:05

are we so uncomfortable sometimes

having discussions about those?

834

: 00:41:10

Mimika Cooney: Yeah,

that's a good question.

835

: 00:41:11

And I feel, in this, the faith

space, we've been so indoctrinated

836

: 00:41:15

by this religious mindset of you

better just do as you're told.

837

: 00:41:19

And, God's a hard task, taskmaster.

838

: 00:41:21

And if you do anything out of what

the church tells you, Oh, that's

839

: 00:41:24

demonic or, Oh, that's not of God.

840

: 00:41:26

If you think about it, God is

the creative of all things.

841

: 00:41:30

He is the originator of everything.

842

: 00:41:33

If we see something that's

dark and twisted, it started

843

: 00:41:35

with some kind of original.

844

: 00:41:36

Planning, right?

845

: 00:41:38

and let's take the word neuroscience.

846

: 00:41:39

Now, this is not a word to be scared of.

847

: 00:41:41

This is not a demonic entity.

848

: 00:41:43

This is the study of the neural

pathways of how our brains worked.

849

: 00:41:48

There actually are, they can scan your

brain now and see what's going on.

850

: 00:41:52

The electrical activity.

851

: 00:41:53

We have energy that goes

through us, which is, we have

852

: 00:41:56

electrical activity in our brain.

853

: 00:41:58

We have electrical activity in our hearts.

854

: 00:41:59

if someone has a cardiac

arrest, what do they do?

855

: 00:42:01

They use a defibrillator to add that

energy, to reignite the heart to work.

856

: 00:42:05

And we live in a society now where we

can understand more of these things.

857

: 00:42:08

And the neuroscience field is

still what they call burgeoning new

858

: 00:42:12

industry because of the technology

that's allowing us to look inside

859

: 00:42:15

the brain and really what it is.

860

: 00:42:18

It's the science of how we are,

our bodies are, how we function,

861

: 00:42:23

like what is a brain cell?

862

: 00:42:24

What is a neural pathway?

863

: 00:42:26

And when they looked under the

microscope at the brain, our

864

: 00:42:28

neural pathways look like trees.

865

: 00:42:30

that scripture again, where God

says, he's, we're, we, he is the

866

: 00:42:34

vine and we are the branches.

867

: 00:42:36

I'm like, duh, he mentioned to us

already, it's already been in scripture.

868

: 00:42:40

And he says, you got to feed off the vine.

869

: 00:42:43

What does that mean?

870

: 00:42:44

It's like feeding off where we

get our thoughts and our, where we

871

: 00:42:48

focus, our tension and our energy.

872

: 00:42:50

And again, it's all connected.

873

: 00:42:52

Like we have a nervous system.

874

: 00:42:53

You don't have to deny that.

875

: 00:42:54

Like you have a nervous

thought or an anxious thought.

876

: 00:42:57

What happens is your stomach

starts to rumble and you start to

877

: 00:43:00

get like really nervous in your.

878

: 00:43:02

So if our body is connected by how

we think and how we feel, why are we

879

: 00:43:07

to think that this is, whether this

is, Christian or anti Christian,

880

: 00:43:10

I think we've lost the plot.

881

: 00:43:12

That's not the point.

882

: 00:43:13

The point is we need to go

back to our original designers.

883

: 00:43:15

How did God design us to be?

884

: 00:43:16

He designed us to be whole.

885

: 00:43:18

He designed us to walk in peace.

886

: 00:43:20

He designed us to.

887

: 00:43:21

Be able to fix the things that are

broken and just going to church on a

888

: 00:43:25

Sunday, listening to a sermon, and then

taking that off your list isn't enough.

889

: 00:43:28

You have to put more effort

into fixing and being open.

890

: 00:43:32

So I would always say it gets me

really irritated when someone has

891

: 00:43:35

that religious spirit that goes,

Oh, I'm not listening to that.

892

: 00:43:38

la.

893

: 00:43:39

I'm like, isn't that ignorance?

894

: 00:43:40

Like girl, you've got this This

nail that's, oh, girl, that's

895

: 00:43:44

sticking out your head there.

896

: 00:43:45

can you not see it?

897

: 00:43:46

let me help you.

898

: 00:43:47

And they're like, Oh, no.

899

: 00:43:48

I've got a terrible headache,

but let me pray about it.

900

: 00:43:50

I'm like, how about we take

that nail out your head?

901

: 00:43:53

Maybe that'll help.

902

: 00:43:55

in practical terms, that's what

God is doing with us every day.

903

: 00:43:57

He's Hey, can I help you work on that?

904

: 00:43:59

can we take, that barb of rejection

that, that frame threw at you when

905

: 00:44:03

you were 12 and you just felt bullied

and, on the sideline, that, that

906

: 00:44:07

thing is still stuck in your heart.

907

: 00:44:09

Do you mind if I come alongside, let's

pray together and give it to Jesus.

908

: 00:44:12

And that's the simplicity of it, right?

909

: 00:44:14

But we've overcomplicated things and

we get scared when it's something

910

: 00:44:17

that hasn't been talked about in the

church, which is why I'm on a rant and

911

: 00:44:21

on a mission to help people understand

that this is one and the same thing.

912

: 00:44:27

This is God's design.

913

: 00:44:28

He designed our brain.

914

: 00:44:29

He designed our bodies.

915

: 00:44:30

He designed who we are.

916

: 00:44:31

He knows how we function at our best.

917

: 00:44:33

And all we need to do is partner with

him and be able to be open minded.

918

: 00:44:38

And having that growth mindset

says, okay, I don't know everything.

919

: 00:44:41

I don't know, but I'm open to learning.

920

: 00:44:44

I'm open to hearing, I'm being humble

enough to say, okay, I messed up.

921

: 00:44:47

How can we fix this?

922

: 00:44:48

And I think it really comes down to that

again, as being humble and being willing

923

: 00:44:51

to listen to God and say, Hey, I'm not

going to get on my religious bus and start

924

: 00:44:55

to, brand everybody with, the evil brand.

925

: 00:44:58

I'm going to just say, okay, God,

what if this is you show me how

926

: 00:45:02

and just invite the conversation.

927

: 00:45:04

And I think we'll be a lot more.

928

: 00:45:06

Tim Winders: So somewhere along the way

you, and I could see how all that you're

929

: 00:45:11

talking about, maybe culminated in the

writing of this book, Unstick Your Mind.

930

: 00:45:16

Subtitles, great.

931

: 00:45:17

Shift your mindset, develop

grit and break barriers.

932

: 00:45:20

And I've scanned through,

it's got great info in here.

933

: 00:45:23

But the, I think the first question I

want to ask about it, because I think it's

934

: 00:45:27

going to determine if someone picks it up

and reads it, is how does someone know?

935

: 00:45:33

That their mind might be stuck.

936

: 00:45:38

Mimika Cooney: Great question.

937

: 00:45:39

how, you're stuck and you're ready

to get unstuck is a few things.

938

: 00:45:43

And one of the big highlights I always

say is if you're feeling frustrated,

939

: 00:45:47

like you've tried things, you've

tried to do things on your own.

940

: 00:45:50

You try to do things on your own strength

and you're like, why is this not working?

941

: 00:45:54

If you find yourself repeating

old habits and behaviors that

942

: 00:45:56

you don't want to repeat, If you

keep seeing yourself in cycles.

943

: 00:46:00

they keep going over and you're

going around the mountain again.

944

: 00:46:03

And like, why are we here again?

945

: 00:46:04

I thought we learned to

move forward from this.

946

: 00:46:06

So cycles, habits, behaviors, and also

just that feeling of you want more.

947

: 00:46:12

if you're happy in denial, then

bless you go on being happy and

948

: 00:46:17

deniable, but there has to come

the sense of what I call tension.

949

: 00:46:20

And usually what happens is, people are

ready to work on their mindset is when

950

: 00:46:23

they've either been through something.

951

: 00:46:25

Through the humbling or they've been

through an experience where maybe

952

: 00:46:28

something worked before and no, it no

longer works and they've been challenged.

953

: 00:46:33

They may be applied, say a business

tactic in the past, but now it's no

954

: 00:46:37

longer working and they started to

question like, what's wrong, there's

955

: 00:46:40

got to be more and also a lack of peace.

956

: 00:46:43

I always say search and seek peace that

if you're feeling uneasy and you're like,

957

: 00:46:47

something's off and something's not right.

958

: 00:46:49

I want something more.

959

: 00:46:51

And I believe that's God's invitation

where he whispers and says.

960

: 00:46:54

There's some more for you.

961

: 00:46:55

You're not reaching your potential.

962

: 00:46:57

I want you to feel.

963

: 00:46:58

So frustration is actually good.

964

: 00:47:00

If someone is frustrated, it means they're

ready to make a change because you have

965

: 00:47:04

got to want something bad enough to be

willing to put the effort to see through

966

: 00:47:10

the action to get to the other side.

967

: 00:47:12

Because someone who's, is apathetic

and eh, meh, I don't want to like,

968

: 00:47:16

I'm like, I can't work with that.

969

: 00:47:18

But if you say, I'm desperate

for change, I have to fix this.

970

: 00:47:22

There is no other option.

971

: 00:47:23

I have exhausted all the options

I have tried before, and I can't

972

: 00:47:27

seem to figure out what that is.

973

: 00:47:29

And blind spots are keeping you blind.

974

: 00:47:32

You don't know what the problem is.

975

: 00:47:34

Then we need to talk.

976

: 00:47:35

Then you're ready.

977

: 00:47:36

Then I know I can help you.

978

: 00:47:37

And just like they say in AA, you have

to admit that you have a problem to

979

: 00:47:41

really know that you can work on it.

980

: 00:47:42

So I think that's a huge indicator.

981

: 00:47:45

Tim Winders: One of the things

you mentioned earlier, because I

982

: 00:47:47

think this factors in also is I

think there are people that get

983

: 00:47:53

into a state of hopelessness.

984

: 00:47:57

And you mentioned, I think that you and

your husband back in, I can't remember

985

: 00:48:02

the year you went to 2006 or something

like that, that when y'all were in

986

: 00:48:05

South Africa, y'all felt hopeless.

987

: 00:48:08

But one of the things you did

is y'all took quite a bit of.

988

: 00:48:12

Action.

989

: 00:48:14

and the reason I bring it up is I

know I interact with a lot of people.

990

: 00:48:17

It's hard for me to work with someone

who's in a hopeless state, but if they

991

: 00:48:23

admit they're there and they want to

get out of it, then I don't almost

992

: 00:48:28

said magical things happen, but maybe

it is magical things happen just.

993

: 00:48:32

Things begin to happen.

994

: 00:48:33

so you've been in a hopeless state.

995

: 00:48:36

You mentioned it earlier.

996

: 00:48:37

What about the person that's right

now there, if they're still listening,

997

: 00:48:42

they're probably not in that state,

but they're sitting here going, I look

998

: 00:48:45

around, this is going on in the world.

999

: 00:48:46

This is going on in my life, health

issues, this or whatever, all these

: 1000

00:48:50,191 --> 00:48:55,915

type things speak to the person

that might be feeling that right now

: 1001

00:48:56,405 --> 00:48:58,175

and, encourage them a little bit.

: 1002

00:48:59,515 --> 00:48:59,965

Mimika Cooney: Definitely.

: 1003

00:49:00,575 --> 00:49:02,625

for some of us who go through

those seasons where we feel

: 1004

00:49:02,625 --> 00:49:05,055

hopeless, it can be a really hard.

: 1005

00:49:05,445 --> 00:49:06,095

Place to be.

: 1006

00:49:06,095 --> 00:49:07,205

And I call that being stuck.

: 1007

00:49:07,265 --> 00:49:08,305

Stuckness ain't fun.

: 1008

00:49:08,615 --> 00:49:09,655

It doesn't feel good.

: 1009

00:49:09,925 --> 00:49:10,855

You lost the plot.

: 1010

00:49:10,865 --> 00:49:12,315

You feel like you're in a dark hole.

: 1011

00:49:12,525 --> 00:49:14,245

You're in a cave where

everyone's forgotten you.

: 1012

00:49:14,265 --> 00:49:17,645

And it just feels like there's

nowhere out, but I always say

: 1013

00:49:17,645 --> 00:49:19,565

we are always given a choice.

: 1014

00:49:20,325 --> 00:49:24,805

Now you can either a do nothing

and stay where you're at.

: 1015

00:49:25,205 --> 00:49:25,915

That's a choice.

: 1016

00:49:26,675 --> 00:49:31,945

B you can ask for help and have someone

lead you along the way, or C you can

: 1017

00:49:31,945 --> 00:49:36,105

just put yourself out there and start

trying things because nothing changes.

: 1018

00:49:36,655 --> 00:49:38,305

Until something changes.

: 1019

00:49:38,585 --> 00:49:41,835

And usually it's a shift

in attitude or desire.

: 1020

00:49:42,265 --> 00:49:44,295

I'm like, I'm just sick and

tired of being sick and tired.

: 1021

00:49:44,775 --> 00:49:45,765

Like I'm done with this.

: 1022

00:49:46,345 --> 00:49:49,325

there's a sense of desperation and

sometimes, we hear about the whole

: 1023

00:49:49,335 --> 00:49:51,985

concept of reaching the bottom of the

barrel and sometimes God does wait

: 1024

00:49:51,985 --> 00:49:55,585

for us to get there because we have

to get rid of ourselves and realize

: 1025

00:49:56,065 --> 00:49:58,265

we've come to the end of the self help.

: 1026

00:49:58,705 --> 00:50:01,235

We've come to the end of

do, I will do it my way.

: 1027

00:50:01,665 --> 00:50:04,875

we stopped singing Frank Sinatra's

song and start realizing,

: 1028

00:50:04,925 --> 00:50:06,205

okay, God, you need to show me.

: 1029

00:50:06,685 --> 00:50:09,685

And it's often those moments

of desperation of where we've

: 1030

00:50:09,685 --> 00:50:11,295

lost hope that God says now.

: 1031

00:50:11,795 --> 00:50:12,705

We can work together.

: 1032

00:50:13,305 --> 00:50:16,535

Now you've stopped getting yourself

in the middle, sticking your fingers

: 1033

00:50:16,535 --> 00:50:21,304

in where it shouldn't be trying to do

everything out of your own effort and own,

: 1034

00:50:21,305 --> 00:50:23,825

knowledge or expertise or back, whatever.

: 1035

00:50:24,705 --> 00:50:28,295

It's almost like you need to get to

that point of complete surrender,

: 1036

00:50:28,295 --> 00:50:30,385

where you throw your arms up and

you say, I can't do this anymore.

: 1037

00:50:31,265 --> 00:50:35,975

So feeling frustrated and hopeless

and stuck is actually meaning that

: 1038

00:50:35,975 --> 00:50:38,635

you've reached the point of where

you're ready to change and shift.

: 1039

00:50:39,285 --> 00:50:43,785

And as long as you're open and ready to

say, I don't like where I'm at, but I

: 1040

00:50:43,785 --> 00:50:45,725

know there's somewhere else I want to be.

: 1041

00:50:45,725 --> 00:50:47,635

And I know it can be hard when

you're in the middle of hopelessness.

: 1042

00:50:47,635 --> 00:50:49,845

It's what do we do when

you don't see the exit?

: 1043

00:50:50,385 --> 00:50:51,095

You don't know.

: 1044

00:50:51,565 --> 00:50:53,645

And you think, okay, what

is in with my control?

: 1045

00:50:53,655 --> 00:50:56,295

What I will always have control

of is my personal choice.

: 1046

00:50:57,125 --> 00:50:57,795

Our free will.

: 1047

00:50:58,065 --> 00:50:59,405

God will never interfere with that.

: 1048

00:50:59,475 --> 00:51:02,995

we see that time and time again, is

that's one thing about being humans

: 1049

00:51:03,245 --> 00:51:04,695

that differentiates us is that.

: 1050

00:51:05,260 --> 00:51:08,480

We have free will because people

have to choose to want to change.

: 1051

00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,130

People have to choose to want to change

their situation, their environment,

: 1052

00:51:12,130 --> 00:51:14,780

their thoughts, their behaviors,

their actions, their relationships,

: 1053

00:51:14,930 --> 00:51:16,940

their financial status, whatever.

: 1054

00:51:17,410 --> 00:51:18,730

There has to be a shift in choice.

: 1055

00:51:18,740 --> 00:51:22,910

So if you're ready to, if you're

tired of being hopeless and cause

: 1056

00:51:22,910 --> 00:51:24,420

the good news is there is hope.

: 1057

00:51:24,790 --> 00:51:25,580

There is light.

: 1058

00:51:25,580 --> 00:51:28,660

God is ready and willing and

waiting and reaching out to you.

: 1059

00:51:28,660 --> 00:51:30,420

You just need to look up and let him.

: 1060

00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:31,770

Pull you out of there.

: 1061

00:51:32,270 --> 00:51:34,250

you never have, you

don't have to stay stuck.

: 1062

00:51:34,420 --> 00:51:35,600

There are ways.

: 1063

00:51:35,630 --> 00:51:38,500

And today, let's hope today's an

invitation to really take that step

: 1064

00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:42,290

forward, whether it's to buy a book

or to listen to a podcast or to call

: 1065

00:51:42,300 --> 00:51:45,860

a friend or start to research stuff,

there's always something within your

: 1066

00:51:45,860 --> 00:51:49,900

control that you can do, but let the

first step be, you make that choice.

: 1067

00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:55,380

Tim Winders: And the good thing about it

is that even if someone is, will just,

: 1068

00:51:55,630 --> 00:52:00,960

air quotes, they are progressing, they're

moving, they maybe do not feel stuck.

: 1069

00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:05,930

I think that we're created to

be in a growth process anyway.

: 1070

00:52:06,445 --> 00:52:09,295

And so I think the

conversation here is valuable.

: 1071

00:52:09,755 --> 00:52:13,865

So if, let's talk a little bit

about the book, Unstick Your Mind.

: 1072

00:52:14,265 --> 00:52:18,285

And I do know in the time we have left

here, what I'd love to do is get some,

: 1073

00:52:18,305 --> 00:52:20,615

maybe some actionable steps for someone.

: 1074

00:52:21,045 --> 00:52:24,405

And let's go ahead and say a good

actionable step is get the book.

: 1075

00:52:24,495 --> 00:52:28,075

That's one actionable step and maybe

you can tell us a little bit about the

: 1076

00:52:28,075 --> 00:52:30,105

book here as you answer this question.

: 1077

00:52:30,105 --> 00:52:37,560

But, What are a few practical things that

people can do if they want to continue

: 1078

00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:41,470

down their journey, their path, and

take care of their vehicle and their

: 1079

00:52:41,470 --> 00:52:45,320

car and make sure the oil's changed and

tires are in good shape and electricals

: 1080

00:52:45,330 --> 00:52:47,240

rewired as, as you do with the mind.

: 1081

00:52:47,650 --> 00:52:50,590

and then I guess also for that

person that feels really stuck,

: 1082

00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:52,350

probably some similar things.

: 1083

00:52:52,350 --> 00:52:54,460

So what are some steps, what

are some things people can do?

: 1084

00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,350

Mimika Cooney: the best tip I would

say to getting unstuck or moving

: 1085

00:52:58,370 --> 00:53:00,030

forward is to take some kind of action.

: 1086

00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,940

So in this case, we're inviting

you to buy a copy of my book, the

: 1087

00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:07,270

unstick your mind, shift your mindset,

develop grit and break barriers.

: 1088

00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:10,340

Now, this is a project I've been working

on for like over three years and I've

: 1089

00:53:11,180 --> 00:53:15,030

been writing it and actually testing

the concepts in my own coaching program.

: 1090

00:53:15,705 --> 00:53:18,525

And the way that I write

is very actionable.

: 1091

00:53:18,535 --> 00:53:22,515

So every chapter has some reflection

questions because, we don't need

: 1092

00:53:22,535 --> 00:53:25,015

information, we need transformation.

: 1093

00:53:25,185 --> 00:53:25,745

And how do we.

: 1094

00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:29,450

Transform things is through action

and doing the practical steps.

: 1095

00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:33,970

So for somebody who wants to shift their

mindset, who wants to change their life

: 1096

00:53:33,980 --> 00:53:37,350

for the better, the best thing we can do

is hold a mirror up to ourselves and say,

: 1097

00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:38,950

okay, what is it that I need to work on?

: 1098

00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,260

And often, reading a book or listening

to a podcast, it sparks that light bulb,

: 1099

00:53:43,260 --> 00:53:44,970

oh, wow, I didn't know that was an issue.

: 1100

00:53:44,970 --> 00:53:46,280

Let me go read more about that.

: 1101

00:53:46,620 --> 00:53:48,230

Oh, I didn't realize I did that.

: 1102

00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:50,990

like when you see yourself recorded

on a video and oh my God, do

: 1103

00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:52,140

I really do that with my face?

: 1104

00:53:53,165 --> 00:53:53,975

Do I sound like that?

: 1105

00:53:54,165 --> 00:53:56,175

I've had to get used to

those kind of quirkiness.

: 1106

00:53:56,765 --> 00:54:01,055

but I would definitely say, start with

baby steps and then celebrate each step.

: 1107

00:54:01,055 --> 00:54:04,825

my students always laugh at me because

we have a party at every coaching session

: 1108

00:54:05,205 --> 00:54:08,305

because first of all, we're celebrating

what you've achieved for the last week.

: 1109

00:54:08,315 --> 00:54:11,315

And then we set in goals for what

you want to do for the next week.

: 1110

00:54:11,315 --> 00:54:15,115

And having that action and holding

your feet to the fire is something

: 1111

00:54:15,165 --> 00:54:16,995

that helps you to get momentum.

: 1112

00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,650

So I always say to people, if you

find that you're struggling to do

: 1113

00:54:20,650 --> 00:54:24,390

this on your own, find a coach or a

buddy or someone you can do this with.

: 1114

00:54:24,830 --> 00:54:27,740

going back to my original concept

of the reason I call myself a

: 1115

00:54:27,740 --> 00:54:30,490

personal trainer for your mind

is it's hard to do this alone.

: 1116

00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:33,220

It's hard to pull

yourself out by yourself.

: 1117

00:54:33,850 --> 00:54:35,630

Because there's only,

there's limits to self.

: 1118

00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:38,420

So find someone who you feel can

help you through this process.

: 1119

00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:43,550

And this whole concept of, unsticking your

mind is providing you with information

: 1120

00:54:43,550 --> 00:54:44,980

that you can apply to your life.

: 1121

00:54:45,530 --> 00:54:48,780

But then I give you some

exercises and ways to walk it out.

: 1122

00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,690

So I would definitely encourage those who

are listening today to go ahead and do

: 1123

00:54:52,690 --> 00:54:54,640

that and just start taking baby steps.

: 1124

00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:59,200

You'll be surprised as momentum

gains as you start moving forward.

: 1125

00:55:00,245 --> 00:55:02,815

Tim Winders: There's one of the

chapters in the book, I think

: 1126

00:55:02,815 --> 00:55:05,035

it was slow down to speed up.

: 1127

00:55:05,925 --> 00:55:15,145

I know that my mode, if there were

ever any challenges were, was typically

: 1128

00:55:15,465 --> 00:55:18,455

work harder, do more, sleep less.

: 1129

00:55:18,940 --> 00:55:22,130

Plow into it, things like that.

: 1130

00:55:22,130 --> 00:55:24,240

I think this is close

to my final question.

: 1131

00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:29,040

Comment on that because I am confident

we have a lot of people that may be in

: 1132

00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:36,730

that category that they believe that

outworking, being stuck is the answer.

: 1133

00:55:36,810 --> 00:55:40,030

And I, my personal story was Mamika?

: 1134

00:55:41,030 --> 00:55:42,260

Mimika Cooney: I would

have to ask the question.

: 1135

00:55:42,260 --> 00:55:43,430

So how did that work out for you?

: 1136

00:55:44,730 --> 00:55:46,830

yourself till you drop,

until you burn out.

: 1137

00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:48,740

So how's that working out?

: 1138

00:55:48,740 --> 00:55:51,350

How's the car functioning now

that you've blown the head gasket?

: 1139

00:55:51,350 --> 00:55:53,240

Run out of gas and blown a tire?

: 1140

00:55:53,570 --> 00:55:54,560

You ain't going anywhere.

: 1141

00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:57,590

So what were the, what

can we learn from this?

: 1142

00:55:57,620 --> 00:56:00,370

Is that perhaps along the

highway, while you're still on

: 1143

00:56:00,370 --> 00:56:03,730

the highway, we need to look in a,

see the signs that said slow down

: 1144

00:56:03,940 --> 00:56:06,680

Tim Winders: but many people,

that's the only way they know.

: 1145

00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,650

I think you're probably were

wired a little bit that way.

: 1146

00:56:10,670 --> 00:56:12,710

That's how we were raised.

: 1147

00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:15,550

That's our culture and all it's

if it is to be, it's up to me.

: 1148

00:56:15,550 --> 00:56:16,690

I'm going to work my way through it.

: 1149

00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:17,550

Yeah, I've got God.

: 1150

00:56:17,620 --> 00:56:21,290

he's going to watch out for me and

all, but I got to grind this thing out.

: 1151

00:56:21,470 --> 00:56:26,020

And, I think that's a challenge for a

lot of people to break free of that.

: 1152

00:56:26,915 --> 00:56:31,285

Mimika Cooney: definitely there's a lot of

us A type, go getting high performing work

: 1153

00:56:31,705 --> 00:56:33,315

till you drop, hustle till you drop thing.

: 1154

00:56:33,325 --> 00:56:36,945

But there's one thing I can't stand about

this hustle culture is that you are going

: 1155

00:56:36,945 --> 00:56:40,055

to get to the end of it and you're going

to realize you have nothing left unless

: 1156

00:56:40,055 --> 00:56:42,255

you, you've applied the right principles.

: 1157

00:56:42,525 --> 00:56:44,505

Now, having a good work

ethic is important.

: 1158

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And I definitely say that,

you have to work at it.

: 1159

00:56:46,860 --> 00:56:49,670

Like we've already said, you've got

to put the action in, but there comes

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00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:55,360

a part of where we start to tip into

over action and trying to do stuff.

: 1161

00:56:55,380 --> 00:56:57,310

And let's ask the big question here.

: 1162

00:56:57,530 --> 00:56:59,230

Why do we behave that way?

: 1163

00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:00,840

And if you really want to know.

: 1164

00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,300

My guess, and in case, in my situation

is I had an element of pride.

: 1165

00:57:06,860 --> 00:57:08,940

I wanted to show the world that

I could do it, that I was smart,

: 1166

00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:09,600

that I could do everything.

: 1167

00:57:09,610 --> 00:57:10,320

Look at me, I'm fine.

: 1168

00:57:10,660 --> 00:57:12,500

Meanwhile, I'm like, like

scrambling underneath.

: 1169

00:57:12,510 --> 00:57:15,630

And there's only so much

you can keep that facade up.

: 1170

00:57:16,100 --> 00:57:19,760

People, eventually we are

humans and humans need to be

: 1171

00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:21,990

human beings, not human doings.

: 1172

00:57:22,430 --> 00:57:24,750

We weren't machines that will

make, and even machines break down.

: 1173

00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,070

So good luck to you if you're trying

to figure that out, but I can guarantee

: 1174

00:57:28,450 --> 00:57:30,420

you if you needed a sign, this is it.

: 1175

00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:33,670

That this is the slowdown and

invitation that you do not have

: 1176

00:57:33,670 --> 00:57:35,630

to be pushing yourself so hard.

: 1177

00:57:35,630 --> 00:57:38,450

And I always have to come back to the

simple question is why are you doing it?

: 1178

00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,150

Why do you think that way?

: 1179

00:57:40,735 --> 00:57:41,705

Why do you believe that?

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00:57:41,725 --> 00:57:45,385

Have you ever stopped to question

yourself that what your motivation is?

: 1181

00:57:45,735 --> 00:57:47,425

Why do you want a successful business?

: 1182

00:57:47,505 --> 00:57:48,835

Why do you want to make more money?

: 1183

00:57:48,945 --> 00:57:53,045

we could be asking why all day, but if

we take the moment to really analyze

: 1184

00:57:53,045 --> 00:57:55,185

that and say, why am I so driven?

: 1185

00:57:55,655 --> 00:57:57,685

That's how I got to that,

that the answer that.

: 1186

00:57:57,980 --> 00:58:00,800

I was always on the people

pleasing perfectionist performance,

: 1187

00:58:01,350 --> 00:58:04,500

road until I realized it was

really a route of objection.

: 1188

00:58:04,500 --> 00:58:09,060

I didn't want to feel less than, or I

wanted to prove that I could be more

: 1189

00:58:09,060 --> 00:58:11,450

than, but that was the wrong motivation.

: 1190

00:58:11,890 --> 00:58:15,000

That wasn't sustainable because it's

really was not in line with God's word.

: 1191

00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,370

So I hope that answers that question

that people can use my story as

: 1192

00:58:19,370 --> 00:58:23,770

an example to slow down so you can

eventually speed up because I love

: 1193

00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:26,760

the analogy of a car is that you have

to take your car in for a service.

: 1194

00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:28,380

You can't be pushing a.

: 1195

00:58:28,830 --> 00:58:32,790

A banged up jalopy forever expecting

to run a red, with the Ferraris.

: 1196

00:58:32,890 --> 00:58:37,290

how about you, just slow down, go into

the garage, get a little fix, go fix the

: 1197

00:58:37,290 --> 00:58:42,560

wiring and maybe retire and get some new

tires and get back with a new vehicle

: 1198

00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:44,350

that can run, so much more efficiently.

: 1199

00:58:44,710 --> 00:58:46,380

And then you can enjoy the ride and style.

: 1200

00:58:46,635 --> 00:58:47,935

That's my personal preference.

: 1201

00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:53,090

Tim Winders: and it's make that decision

now versus allowing the car to break

: 1202

00:58:53,090 --> 00:58:56,960

down on the side of the road, which I

think is where most people are headed

: 1203

00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,750

if they don't make the adjustment.

: 1204

00:58:59,770 --> 00:59:06,240

The book is Unstick Your Mind, Shift Your

Mindset, Develop Grit and Break Barriers.

: 1205

00:59:06,250 --> 00:59:07,080

Great title there.

: 1206

00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,640

Mamika, tell us where people can find you,

how they can get the book and all that.

: 1207

00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,470

And then I've got one more

question before we wrap up.

: 1208

00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:14,530

Mimika Cooney: Definitely.

: 1209

00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:18,800

the best place to connect with me

is my website, which is mimikakuni.

: 1210

00:59:18,820 --> 00:59:19,090

com.

: 1211

00:59:19,090 --> 00:59:20,990

And I'll spell that for

our audio listeners.

: 1212

00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:25,560

It's M I K A C O N E Y.

: 1213

00:59:25,770 --> 00:59:26,130

com.

: 1214

00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,060

And if you go there, you can see, I have

a list of all the books I've written.

: 1215

00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:30,560

You can get some free downloads.

: 1216

00:59:30,965 --> 00:59:34,035

I have a guide that goes

along with the, with the book.

: 1217

00:59:34,295 --> 00:59:38,295

I also have tools and resources and my

own, YouTube channel when I put out a lot

: 1218

00:59:38,295 --> 00:59:40,225

of content there, a lot of blog posts.

: 1219

00:59:40,235 --> 00:59:42,785

So if this is something that's new to

you and maybe you don't even know what

: 1220

00:59:42,785 --> 00:59:46,605

mindset's about or you're seasoned and

you want to learn a little bit more,

: 1221

00:59:46,855 --> 00:59:48,015

I'm sure you'll be able to find that.

: 1222

00:59:48,015 --> 00:59:51,575

So definitely go to mimikacooney.Com

and all the links will be there.

: 1223

00:59:52,092 --> 00:59:54,692

Tim Winders: I spent a little bit of

time on your YouTube channel yesterday.

: 1224

00:59:54,712 --> 00:59:56,762

MamikaTV, It's MTV.

: 1225

00:59:56,762 --> 00:59:57,432

is that what you

: 1226

00:59:57,492 --> 00:59:59,962

Mimika Cooney: I started my

interview because I come from

: 1227

00:59:59,962 --> 01:00:01,472

a TV and interview background.

: 1228

01:00:01,772 --> 01:00:04,762

So when podcasting was a thing, I'm

one of the noobs, not the noobs,

: 1229

01:00:04,782 --> 01:00:08,252

the oldies now, back in the day in

: 2013

: 1230

01:00:08,272 --> 01:00:12,072

I like to do video and I love

to do interviews the way I was.

: 1231

01:00:12,802 --> 01:00:15,722

Let me do a TV show and I

put it on YouTube and then

: 1232

01:00:15,722 --> 01:00:16,952

podcasting became a thing.

: 1233

01:00:17,172 --> 01:00:20,642

So that's why it's just stuck Mimika

TV because I use a visual format.

: 1234

01:00:21,012 --> 01:00:26,122

So I love to interview people where

you can see their faces, but I'm

: 1235

01:00:26,402 --> 01:00:27,892

podcasting and interviews like this.

: 1236

01:00:27,922 --> 01:00:31,412

I love this because we can dive

into people's stories and I just

: 1237

01:00:31,412 --> 01:00:33,132

love this whole opportunity.

: 1238

01:00:33,132 --> 01:00:33,182

Now.

: 1239

01:00:33,567 --> 01:00:37,157

And see how in the last 10 years,

podcasting has exploded because we now

: 1240

01:00:37,397 --> 01:00:41,397

exposed to so many great minds and ideas

we would have never had exposure to.

: 1241

01:00:41,757 --> 01:00:44,567

So yeah, that's where it

gets me, keeps me busy.

: 1242

01:00:44,982 --> 01:00:45,422

Tim Winders: it's good.

: 1243

01:00:45,422 --> 01:00:48,652

Yeah, I like I could tell

that you have a video.

: 1244

01:00:49,172 --> 01:00:50,872

You have skills and talent and video.

: 1245

01:00:50,872 --> 01:00:52,192

Very good quality.

: 1246

01:00:52,392 --> 01:00:56,962

Information is great, but

I can tell that I was not.

: 1247

01:00:57,032 --> 01:00:57,922

It wasn't envious.

: 1248

01:00:57,922 --> 01:00:59,362

That wasn't the right term, but I can.

: 1249

01:00:59,382 --> 01:01:03,462

I went, Wow, she's really good

with the video and the visual

: 1250

01:01:03,462 --> 01:01:05,342

and also great job on that.

: 1251

01:01:05,342 --> 01:01:06,532

People need to check that out.

: 1252

01:01:07,172 --> 01:01:11,672

Mimika, we are Seek go create those

three words that we use to describe.

: 1253

01:01:12,067 --> 01:01:13,507

Kind of what we're doing here.

: 1254

01:01:13,587 --> 01:01:16,857

I'm gonna let you have one of those

words just that resonates with you

: 1255

01:01:16,857 --> 01:01:19,907

means more than the other to seek, go

or create, which one do you choose?

: 1256

01:01:19,907 --> 01:01:20,287

And why?

: 1257

01:01:21,237 --> 01:01:21,957

Mimika Cooney: I love them all.

: 1258

01:01:21,987 --> 01:01:25,157

And, I would definitely say probably

the one thing that I am a big

: 1259

01:01:25,167 --> 01:01:27,447

proponent of is the go get up and go.

: 1260

01:01:27,942 --> 01:01:30,912

We no more inaction, no

more sitting and waiting.

: 1261

01:01:30,922 --> 01:01:32,832

If you're wanting a sign, this is it.

: 1262

01:01:33,152 --> 01:01:36,652

Take the action today, but don't

forget the seek part, which I think is,

: 1263

01:01:36,652 --> 01:01:40,612

seeking God will for your life, asking

him the questions, being willing to

: 1264

01:01:40,612 --> 01:01:44,972

seek within yourself and ask the hard

questions of why you do what you do

: 1265

01:01:45,372 --> 01:01:46,892

and then allow yourself to be creative.

: 1266

01:01:46,892 --> 01:01:50,192

I think a lot of us are missing

that, that piece of just.

: 1267

01:01:50,482 --> 01:01:54,302

Tapping into who God made us to be instead

of us trying to be something and someone,

: 1268

01:01:54,302 --> 01:01:57,912

and, going back to that, the whole

process of walking out your own path.

: 1269

01:01:58,092 --> 01:02:01,512

I have a saying that says trying to

wear somebody else's shoes is like

: 1270

01:02:01,912 --> 01:02:04,592

very uncomfortable and not going

to take you where you're going.

: 1271

01:02:04,612 --> 01:02:06,592

And it's just definitely not my style.

: 1272

01:02:06,732 --> 01:02:11,362

So how about you just pick the way that

God has planned for you and then go out

: 1273

01:02:11,402 --> 01:02:14,212

and do it because action changes things.

: 1274

01:02:15,907 --> 01:02:16,447

Tim Winders: Excellent.

: 1275

01:02:16,467 --> 01:02:18,577

Thank you for this conversation.

: 1276

01:02:18,587 --> 01:02:21,567

Mimica, please go check out mimicacoonie.

: 1277

01:02:21,597 --> 01:02:27,067

com to connect with Mimica and make

sure you get the book unstick your mind.

: 1278

01:02:27,067 --> 01:02:31,297

I could guarantee from reading through

what I read through that it's got

: 1279

01:02:31,297 --> 01:02:33,537

value regardless of where you are.

: 1280

01:02:33,537 --> 01:02:33,877

Definitely.

: 1281

01:02:33,877 --> 01:02:35,127

If you're in a stuck position.

: 1282

01:02:35,577 --> 01:02:37,967

But even if you're just wanting

to move forward, maybe at a faster

: 1283

01:02:37,967 --> 01:02:41,177

pace or at a different pace,

I think there's value there.

: 1284

01:02:41,177 --> 01:02:41,977

So check that out.

: 1285

01:02:41,977 --> 01:02:43,107

I'm going to ask one more big favor.

: 1286

01:02:43,127 --> 01:02:46,687

If you've listened in, I can almost

guarantee you that you thought of

: 1287

01:02:46,687 --> 01:02:49,577

someone while you were listening to

this, maybe you thought of yourself,

: 1288

01:02:49,577 --> 01:02:53,477

which is valuable, I believe, but

someone else take a screenshot or

: 1289

01:02:53,477 --> 01:02:55,417

share the YouTube video or something.

: 1290

01:02:55,482 --> 01:02:59,412

If this will minister to

them, please share it.

: 1291

01:02:59,852 --> 01:03:01,522

I know that would be helpful.

: 1292

01:03:01,522 --> 01:03:02,782

They will thank you for it.

: 1293

01:03:03,202 --> 01:03:06,582

And it's the number one way

that this type content gets

: 1294

01:03:06,602 --> 01:03:08,172

put into other people's hands.

: 1295

01:03:08,172 --> 01:03:09,482

So please do that.

: 1296

01:03:09,832 --> 01:03:14,022

We have new episodes every

Monday here at Seek, Go Create.

: 1297

01:03:14,122 --> 01:03:18,952

Until next time, continue being

all that you were created to be.