Stepping Out of the Boat with Ron Cool

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you're not willing to forgive yourself and you're not

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surrendering yourself to God's will.

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And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

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And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

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going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

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Oh,

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What does it take to transform life's challenges into a

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beacon of hope and leadership for others?

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Welcome to Seek, Go Create, where today's guest, Ron Kuhl, brings a unique blend

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of family values, spiritual guidance, and entrepreneurial spirit as a dedicated

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husband, father, and the visionary behind the New Path, New You podcast,

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Ron leads by example, inspiring men to embrace their roles in their families,

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workplaces, and communities with faith, New You podcast is brought to

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you And purpose, Ron, welcome to seat.

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Go create.

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Oh, thank you so much for having me.

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Thanks for the introduction.

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You and I've had a brief chat a while back, man.

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We connected well and loved it and said, man, we need to talk

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more with the microphone going.

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So here we are.

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And I gave you a slight warning on this and we're both

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excited about this question.

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So let's start this way.

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Somebody asked Ron, what do you do?

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What's your answer?

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When somebody asks you that.

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Gosh, that is, as soon as you told me that question, I was like,

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man, that is the hardest question.

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And it's like, what is your elevator pitch?

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Right.

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But it's such a, it's a, it's a unique question because it kind

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of depends who I'm talking to.

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Right.

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And so for the longest time I had two different versions of me

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and now it's okay, I just want everything to be very singular.

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So for me, My mission is to help men become spiritual leaders in their family

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and actually, actually lead their family well and not lose their family because

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I found myself a while back in that spot and God really Slap me across the

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face, if you will, to get my attention.

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And in the past I've helped people launch podcasts.

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I'm very passionate about that, but now it's really turning that passion

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to help Christians launch podcasts.

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And, I enjoy doing that.

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but for me, it's about leading men.

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I lead a men's ministry at my church and and helping them really understand

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who God's calling them to be in their families and it's a lot different

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than what society tells you to

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All right.

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So you opened up the store.

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So I'm going to go through it.

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go for

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said you, you used to give two different responses.

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Let's go back in time and tell me when it was that if someone asked you what

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you do and give me the two responses that you gave, because we, we kind

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of uncover a bunch of stuff here.

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We like the journey and things like that.

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So tell me old Ron or Ron before you were cool or something like that.

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I don't know.

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what was

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before I was cool.

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I wasn't born.

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So that that's that one's easy, but

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thing and I want the audience because the audience is going,

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is this guy's name really Ron cool.

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And yes, it's a name that you were given at birth.

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Correct.

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That is correct.

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Try ordering something online.

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It's not as cool, quote unquote, as you would think it is.

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um, but All right,

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back up, back up.

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Give me the, give me the, the two, the two headed Ron answer for what you do and

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tell me roughly when it would have been,

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okay, that's super easy.

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So it was about.

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Almost four and a half, five years ago.

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And there was, there was, there was like a home run, which was a totally

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different person than people saw outside.

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And then there was the, at work Ron or the entrepreneur Ron,

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which was extremely driven.

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and if people ask me what I did, I helped them, increase their

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visibility, traffic and sales.

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It was really simple.

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I, I created an agency around that and.

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It was driven money.

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It was to make money.

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And that's what my focus was.

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And I, my problem is I am a, I'm a workaholic and that

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was a lot of fun for me.

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So I said whatever I needed to say to get people to look

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at it in their frame of mind.

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So I can chameleon to whatever.

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Someone needed to hear to get them to understand they needed X

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product to help them with their visibility trafficking and sales in,

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in their entrepreneurial journey.

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Um, and I took a lot of credit for that.

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I took all the credit for that.

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And, fast forwarding to who I am now, God really was showing me like, if

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you look back, if you look back at that journey, there was never an ad.

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There was never, Anything we did to get a client, clients came to us and those

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clients were all faith based Christian entrepreneurs and I took all the credit

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and never gave credit to God and he asked me to shut that down, right?

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And by shutting that down, I had to really focus on who I was

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because my identity was that guy.

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My identity was that Ron cool and that identity.

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I even, I would get confused at home.

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Right.

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And then I would find myself selling my wife into an idea, right?

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And it wasn't like I meant to do it.

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It was just, that's who I became.

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And it's funny because on the journey I had to explain to my wife, Hey, who I was.

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I created a persona of who I thought everyone wanted me to

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be probably in eighth grade.

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Like it's not a small, short ask.

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It was.

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This is who I needed to be to become popular.

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This is who I needed to be, to be the most liked person.

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This is who I needed to be to climb the corporate ladder.

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It didn't matter, but I was never just who God asked me to be.

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did you have a relationship with him growing along or were, were you,

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were you, would you just plug in and all when it was, when it was convenient or

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when you thought it needed to happen?

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I think it's funny because, God, God is really, we just had a small

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group and they're like, okay, was God really like trying to talk to you or

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get your attention up into that point?

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And what's funny is prior to meeting my wife, Um, I did not have a relationship,

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he used her to bring me to him and she's always made me a better person.

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When we first, when we first started dating, like she, she's

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very, very much, Very Christian.

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Let's just put it that way.

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She knows the Bible.

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She can spit verses like that.

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I, I cannot, I could roundabout say something, but it's like

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first John 15, whatever.

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Right.

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She knows it.

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And when we started dating, she's like, Hey, our foundation

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has to be rooted in God.

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And I was like, okay, so it's like our third or fourth date, we went to go get

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new Bibles and we're at the Bible store.

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I was like, Hey, why don't you just put your new name on it?

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Cause you know how you can engrave it.

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Right.

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It's like third date, third date.

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And I was like, just put your new name on it.

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And she looks at me, she goes, really?

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I go, you want it to last forever, right?

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You don't want to just use it for a season.

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And so she put Rachel Coole on her Bible, right?

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But, we, we drew very close to God.

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we got married and we were getting really close, but the enemy loves to go

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where You know, to break the unity and, and he loves that and I fell away, we

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moved, we had a great church in Indiana.

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We moved back to Colorado and we were in another church that just

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had the wrong attitude about it.

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And so I disconnected myself from it.

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And once I disconnected myself from it, I became who I was before I got married.

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It was, it was like, Oh, That's an easy fix, right?

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then, we, going

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along, going almost,

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I want to pause you.

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I want to pause you real quick here because this is, this is what came to me.

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So I'm going to ask it here before we get too far down the road.

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sure, sure, go for it.

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someone says something like that and, and truthfully,

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Ron, you're telling a lot of mine and my wife's story too.

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I didn't ask her to put her name on a Bible.

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I was going to ask you if that was your proposal.

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I'm going, that's an interesting proposal.

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Do you want to, do you want to buy a Bible and put my last name on it?

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I'm.

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right,

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Trying to think if that's good or not.

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So my wife in our dating process asked me about my spiritual walk.

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And I was in some philosophy class at the time at Georgia tech.

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And I kind of gave her a flippant, not the correct answer.

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She didn't like the answer.

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And so I had to get back in sales and pitch mode, which to me, you seem like a

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pretty good sales pitch guy too, from what I've heard, even in the few times we met.

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right,

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but then, and then there was a journey that went on from that.

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I won't go into that, but it sounds like there was part of a journey.

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But when I hear somebody say they started down a path and then they fell back, it

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kind of makes me want to know, did they really start down the path or was it, or

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were they still, and I'll go ahead and say it exactly this way, were they still

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serving, trying to serve two masters, God?

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And mammon and what I'm hearing and you can, and then I'll pause and you could

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chime in and keep going with the story.

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What I'm hearing is that you were probably trying to serve two masters.

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That's not possible.

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100%.

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and, and I would love to say I was trying to not serve two masters.

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That's just a lie.

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I was serving, not God.

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that's the end of the story.

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and, I.

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I don't like surrendering to anything.

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Okay.

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I just don't.

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Um, and he had to break order to allow, and this is interesting.

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This is, this is really interesting.

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So I'm going to, I'm going to fast forward and then we can go

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back or wherever you want to go.

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But, he's been really telling me to get out of the book.

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Okay.

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And, and I'm like, all right, Lord, cause.

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And when this journey started, he told me to get to know Peter, right?

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And I'm like, okay, I'll just do studies on Peter and all this other stuff.

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And this is three years, three and a half years ago, four years.

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And, know, I shut down my business.

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I really just focused on my marriage.

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I focused on chasing God and really going after God.

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and then whatever God said to do, I just said, yes.

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So one was closing the business.

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And, and that's a story we could talk about later, but, um, this whole, get to

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know Peter was just resonating with me.

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I was like, Oh my gosh.

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So I'm reading everything.

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And then the chosen TV show comes on and my family, we watch that.

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We don't watch any other TV and we're watching.

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And there was an argument between his wife and Peter and Peter was very arrogant.

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Peter was very self centered.

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Peter could do it all himself.

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And I'm like, ouch.

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Okay, Lord, I understand.

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Okay, so then, three years later, I'm, I've grown a lot in my spiritual growth.

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I'm helping out at church a lot differently, but I keep

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hearing, get out of the boat.

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I'm like, what is get out of the boat?

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Right.

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And, and I'm talking to Rach about it.

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I'm like, all right, honey, he keeps saying, get out of the boat.

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Is it a comfort boat?

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What is it like?

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Take the step, take the step, take the step.

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Okay.

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I'm going to take a step.

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I don't know what that means.

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but then, we watched season three episode, the last episode of the chosen

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and it's when Peter stepped out of the boat and kept his eyes on him.

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And I was like, okay, that's nice.

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Didn't resonate.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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It was the first time like a Peter thing didn't resonate.

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So I'm in my quiet time and.

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I get very clearly go watch the show again.

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And I'm like, we just watched it.

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So it's Friday night movie night.

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We're turning on The Chosen and my oldest daughter goes, Hey, let's

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just start it over until season four.

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And I go, I need to watch this one again.

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I know we just watched it last week and everyone's Okay, and I, Rachel knew what I

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was talking about and I'm watching it and I just start and she goes, Are you okay?

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I was like, no.

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Like I understand, I understand what he's saying now.

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Take this step and keep your eyes on me.

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And I've been afraid to take a step for the last two and a half years.

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I've never been patient.

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It's actually freaked my wife out because I'm a doer and I've just been not doing.

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and what I realized is me taking that step, I was afraid that step led back

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to the old me and I didn't want that.

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And he's as long as you trust me and look at me, it won't.

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Real quick, it's probably not a quick answer.

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What does the, what does the boat represent?

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wow, that's a great question because I've, I thought I knew what it

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meant where I, kind of the comfortability, I've been helping out at church doing

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things there and it's okay, and this is something I'm wrestling with like

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right now, does that boat mean stop doing that and do what I told you to do?

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and it could be.

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It could be that.

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and and so that's this is, this is super fresh.

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This is like a week ago, So it's I'm still processing it, but I'm starting

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to really understand the step he's asking me to take is the step he asked

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me to take three and a half years ago, which is really focused on men and

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really focus on like the new path.

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New you came from him.

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I tried to argue with God about the name, not being available.

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And I was like, you, you know how you reason with the, the, with

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that work out?

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How'd that, how'd that argument go with you?

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I'll tell you how it went, I was like, God, there's no way new path.

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New you is available.

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that seems very logical for anyone to do and no one had it.

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And I was like, that's weird.

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And I was like, all right, Lord, if I'm truly supposed to do it, the URL will

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be available, which it won't be like a.

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com won't be available for new path.

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New you.

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com.

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I got it for a penny, a penny.

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For two years a penny and I'm like, wow, Lord.

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Okay.

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So then I jumped on it and then what's funny.

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I've helped hundreds of people launch shows.

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And my, my third thing I talk about is imposter syndrome.

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Right?

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And I talk about it all the time.

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I've never had it ever, ever.

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ever.

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I've been on stages.

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Uh, I've had 400 episodes of another show.

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I've just never had it.

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And then I'm doing this, Do a new path new you and I had it and

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I was like, what are you doing?

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And the voice in my head is shouldn't be, this isn't, no one will like you.

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And he went and went right after everything that I've built up

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since I was in seventh grade.

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Right.

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And, and I stopped for just a second.

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I stopped.

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And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

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I got to push through this.

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I got to push through it.

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So then I pushed through and during that push through, I was able to

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get some really cool guests on it.

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So it's okay, see that wouldn't have happened.

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And the enemy's trying to block those connections.

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Right?

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So it's, it's very interesting.

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So the boat, I would love to tell you what the boat means.

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I'm processing because I was offered to do something else that

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I just don't feel lines up with.

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What God's asking me to do.

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So now it's maybe my time to get out of that boat.

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I think it's fascinating.

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It's a great, it's a great conversation and I think it's a

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great conversation with two guys.

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Women may not get this, truthfully, I don't know.

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I know we have women listening in, but.

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Two guys that think they know answers often.

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That's our identity.

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I actually circled identity again.

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I wrote it and then I circled it again while you were just talking.

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That's our identity.

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we, we know the answer.

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We know what to do.

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We've got strategies.

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We got plans.

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We, Hey, come on.

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that's, that's what we do.

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And then to, to ask a fairly simple question from an

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instruction, get out of the boat.

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What, what is that boat?

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I mean, the boat represented for Peter, that's their tool for business.

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Oh,

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stopped doing business?

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for, for Peter, it meant comfort.

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If there was a, the water was a little, we don't fish, but I mean, we

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try to use, the fishermen analogies.

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Is it all right?

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Is it?

Tim Winders: 00:18:25

Something that we have confused with our identity, which I think, yes, but

Tim Winders: 00:18:31

something that came to me while you were talking and I'll just mention it

Tim Winders: 00:18:33

and then you can respond, I think it might be just get out of who you are

Tim Winders: 00:18:41

today to what the next step is, and, maybe we're making too much of it.

Tim Winders: 00:18:50

Or not enough.

Tim Winders: 00:18:51

I don't know, but it's, it's a, it's a good conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:18:55

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:18:56

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:18:57

No.

Ron Cool: 00:18:57

And, and it's, it's like for this last three years, I'm

Ron Cool: 00:19:02

just not who I used to be.

Ron Cool: 00:19:04

And, I'll share a story.

Ron Cool: 00:19:07

So August, 2021, like my father in law, he's a deacon at a church.

Ron Cool: 00:19:13

we don't go to his church, but he's a deacon there.

Ron Cool: 00:19:16

And, like when I first met him, his, he's huge, he's a big man

Ron Cool: 00:19:21

and he's got this baritone, Right.

Ron Cool: 00:19:23

And, that's not very deep, but you understand it's God's talking to you when

Ron Cool: 00:19:26

this man is talking to you and his first question is, when did you meet the Lord?

Ron Cool: 00:19:32

And I was like, right now, right now.

Ron Cool: 00:19:35

And I probably need a new pair of pants.

Ron Cool: 00:19:38

So yeah, there's those two things.

Ron Cool: 00:19:40

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:19:40

Cause I like, that's the first question out of his mouth.

Ron Cool: 00:19:43

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:19:44

Anyway, fast forward.

Ron Cool: 00:19:47

like he obviously could tell I didn't.

Ron Cool: 00:19:50

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:19:51

And that's why he asked the question.

Ron Cool: 00:19:54

Okay?

Ron Cool: 00:19:55

So fast forward, I, I pulled him aside.

Ron Cool: 00:19:58

I said, Hey, I kind of need your help with something.

Ron Cool: 00:20:03

Rachel and I are going to start going on some dates and I really

Ron Cool: 00:20:06

just need you to watch the kids.

Ron Cool: 00:20:08

Can you do that?

Ron Cool: 00:20:10

And I'd love it.

Ron Cool: 00:20:11

Love it to be weekly if possible.

Ron Cool: 00:20:13

If not, let's just pick at some times.

Ron Cool: 00:20:16

That's all I said to him.

Ron Cool: 00:20:18

His answer was the following.

Ron Cool: 00:20:20

Yes.

Ron Cool: 00:20:21

Cause I could tell you met the Lord.

Ron Cool: 00:20:23

I don't know what happened.

Ron Cool: 00:20:25

I didn't even know how to answer that.

Ron Cool: 00:20:26

Right?

Ron Cool: 00:20:27

So then I was like, okay, that's interesting.

Ron Cool: 00:20:30

That's interesting.

Ron Cool: 00:20:31

So I went in, I talked to my wife.

Ron Cool: 00:20:33

I was like, that was a weird answer.

Ron Cool: 00:20:35

It wasn't, he didn't need to say that.

Ron Cool: 00:20:38

Okay.

Ron Cool: 00:20:40

Fast forward, I'm meeting with someone that I, that used to work for me.

Ron Cool: 00:20:45

Okay.

Ron Cool: 00:20:46

And I'm, I'm having lunch and, and I was talking to her about,

Ron Cool: 00:20:50

she's a catering director about catering something at our church.

Ron Cool: 00:20:54

And she goes, Hey, can I say something?

Ron Cool: 00:20:55

I was like, sure.

Ron Cool: 00:20:57

She goes.

Ron Cool: 00:20:58

You kind of have the same aura of who you are, but you're just a lot nicer.

Ron Cool: 00:21:06

And I was like, wow, that was, that was interesting, but going back

Ron Cool: 00:21:11

to the thing of new you, right.

Ron Cool: 00:21:17

I think you're a hundred percent right.

Ron Cool: 00:21:18

I think the boat is get out of the comfort.

Ron Cool: 00:21:21

I already got out of the business.

Ron Cool: 00:21:22

I closed the business.

Ron Cool: 00:21:23

So I got out of that boat and I trusted him and he's provided.

Ron Cool: 00:21:27

It's amazing.

Ron Cool: 00:21:28

We've had that conversation before.

Ron Cool: 00:21:30

I've let go of who I was.

Ron Cool: 00:21:36

However, I never stood.

Ron Cool: 00:21:38

I became this person, but I never like it.

Ron Cool: 00:21:40

Went out with that person.

Ron Cool: 00:21:42

Does that make sense?

Ron Cool: 00:21:44

I think now he is no, go, go do now.

Tim Winders: 00:21:49

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:21:50

And, all of that's good.

Tim Winders: 00:21:51

There's a, I think if someone's listening, depending on where they are in their

Tim Winders: 00:21:56

journey, there might be something that may nag at them just a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:22:00

It used to nag at me.

Tim Winders: 00:22:01

I've gotten to where I accept it, but I'm going to ask the question for, for my

Tim Winders: 00:22:06

benefit and maybe someone who's listening.

Tim Winders: 00:22:10

Why you have to close your business?

Ron Cool: 00:22:15

Mm.

Tim Winders: 00:22:16

That could be practical.

Tim Winders: 00:22:17

It could be spiritual.

Tim Winders: 00:22:18

There could be other reasons.

Tim Winders: 00:22:19

I mean, for us, just real quick, our journey was the business closed on its

Tim Winders: 00:22:25

own because it was 2008 and we were in real estate, so it was like, I wasn't

Tim Winders: 00:22:29

really asked to get out of the boat.

Tim Winders: 00:22:31

I was the boat sank.

Tim Winders: 00:22:33

I don't know, maybe that's not a good analogy, but there was

Tim Winders: 00:22:36

all of a sudden there was no boat there.

Tim Winders: 00:22:37

And I'm going, Oh my gosh, I gotta, I gotta walk on the lawn.

Tim Winders: 00:22:40

Anyway, I'll have to think about that.

Tim Winders: 00:22:42

That's that's never come out that way, but and maybe even be, we could go hyper

Tim Winders: 00:22:49

spiritual or we can go super practical for the person listening in, because

Tim Winders: 00:22:53

there are some people that that's something that's really going to bug them.

Tim Winders: 00:22:56

Why did you have to close the business?

Ron Cool: 00:22:59

Yeah.

Ron Cool: 00:22:59

So I think, I, I'll try to do a little of both, but I'll just tell the story.

Ron Cool: 00:23:04

Um, so my wife was a stay-at-Home Mom.

Ron Cool: 00:23:07

We have three kids.

Ron Cool: 00:23:09

Our income was this business.

Ron Cool: 00:23:12

Okay.

Ron Cool: 00:23:13

And this business was doing very well.

Ron Cool: 00:23:17

I mean, it was, it was doing great.

Ron Cool: 00:23:18

We had 45 people working for us.

Ron Cool: 00:23:20

it was just me and my partner, all of our clients were Christians.

Ron Cool: 00:23:24

And, I, I met the Lord and I was like, okay, I'm going to start just

Ron Cool: 00:23:29

really doing who God's called me to do all the time, not just sometimes.

Ron Cool: 00:23:35

So we're having this conversation with this client and she's

Ron Cool: 00:23:39

just having a hard time.

Ron Cool: 00:23:41

And I go, Hey.

Ron Cool: 00:23:42

I read something today and I think maybe it was for you and I just shared

Ron Cool: 00:23:46

the scripture with her and we started having this great conversation.

Ron Cool: 00:23:49

I don't even know what I said.

Ron Cool: 00:23:52

No idea.

Ron Cool: 00:23:54

And she started crying and she goes, I needed that.

Ron Cool: 00:23:57

I was like, cool.

Ron Cool: 00:23:58

Can you let me know what I told you?

Ron Cool: 00:24:00

Because I really don't remember.

Ron Cool: 00:24:02

but I didn't say that, but my partner was quiet the entire time.

Ron Cool: 00:24:07

And we get off the call and he's hey, I was uncomfortable with it.

Ron Cool: 00:24:12

I go, with what?

Ron Cool: 00:24:14

He's like the whole God thing.

Ron Cool: 00:24:15

And I said, cool, God's always going to win always, uh, found out he's, he, I

Ron Cool: 00:24:22

mean, I knew he was an atheist, but it be, it became very evident at that point.

Ron Cool: 00:24:26

So we had the conversation of, Hey, all these clients are Christian,

Ron Cool: 00:24:29

who do you think gave it to us?

Ron Cool: 00:24:31

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:24:32

and, and, at that point I

Tim Winders: 00:24:33

One quick thing, one quick thing, Ron, was that an intentional thing

Tim Winders: 00:24:37

of every, all the clients being Christian?

Tim Winders: 00:24:40

Did y'all market for that or did it just organically?

Ron Cool: 00:24:44

just organically.

Tim Winders: 00:24:47

Interesting.

Ron Cool: 00:24:48

and, and, looking back, God orchestrated all of it, you know, he's

Ron Cool: 00:24:52

boom, boom, boom, you can help all this.

Ron Cool: 00:24:54

And so I didn't give him credit for that at that point.

Ron Cool: 00:24:57

Anyway.

Ron Cool: 00:24:58

know, fast forward, I, I pause doing any new work, any new work, I stopped

Ron Cool: 00:25:04

it and I really just was focusing on my relationship with the Lord and my wife.

Ron Cool: 00:25:12

That was it.

Ron Cool: 00:25:13

And.

Ron Cool: 00:25:15

I paused the company for a year, just a year we had, we had,

Ron Cool: 00:25:21

everything was on autopilot anyway.

Ron Cool: 00:25:24

And he said, shut it down.

Ron Cool: 00:25:28

I was like, okay, okay.

Ron Cool: 00:25:30

I went downstairs, closed it, fired everybody.

Ron Cool: 00:25:33

None.

Ron Cool: 00:25:34

We were done.

Ron Cool: 00:25:36

It came upstairs.

Ron Cool: 00:25:37

They told my wife, I go, Hey, we, we, I fired everybody and I closed it.

Ron Cool: 00:25:43

She goes, Oh, what are we going to do?

Ron Cool: 00:25:48

And I go, we're going to do whatever God says And we're going to trust

Ron Cool: 00:25:53

him and he's going to provide.

Ron Cool: 00:25:55

Cause he's faithful and that's all I said, and that was three years ago.

Ron Cool: 00:26:03

God's been faithful and it's, it's not easy for me.

Ron Cool: 00:26:10

You know, I had to work out a lot of things from being my

Ron Cool: 00:26:14

identity as the provider, right.

Ron Cool: 00:26:16

To really understanding God's the provider, right.

Ron Cool: 00:26:19

And I'm just the steward of what he provides.

Ron Cool: 00:26:23

And I'm still not really good at that.

Ron Cool: 00:26:25

I'm working on it.

Ron Cool: 00:26:26

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:26:27

Like I haven't arrived on any level whatsoever, and that's,

Ron Cool: 00:26:31

that's new for me to say anyway.

Ron Cool: 00:26:33

Um, I'm working at it, So I think practical, it was about obedience.

Ron Cool: 00:26:43

It didn't matter if it was hard or whatever.

Ron Cool: 00:26:46

Like he died on the cross for us.

Ron Cool: 00:26:48

That's hard.

Ron Cool: 00:26:49

That's hard work.

Ron Cool: 00:26:51

Me closing a company, it stunk.

Ron Cool: 00:26:55

Cause I love those people.

Ron Cool: 00:26:59

God had better plans.

Ron Cool: 00:27:01

And you can't get to the cooler plans or the new thing he wants

Ron Cool: 00:27:04

to do with old wine skins.

Ron Cool: 00:27:06

And that's what we just kept seeing over and over and over again.

Ron Cool: 00:27:09

New wine, new wine, new wine skins.

Ron Cool: 00:27:12

And so like right now we're in a season of preparation.

Ron Cool: 00:27:16

We don't even know what that means.

Ron Cool: 00:27:17

We're just preparing.

Ron Cool: 00:27:19

Is that moving?

Ron Cool: 00:27:19

Maybe like we're preparing the house.

Ron Cool: 00:27:22

We don't even know if that's what it is, but we're just preparing.

Ron Cool: 00:27:28

So I don't know if that answered it or not,

Tim Winders: 00:27:30

It does a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:27:31

I might, I might ask you to get a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:27:36

I don't even know if this is granular.

Tim Winders: 00:27:37

I don't even know, but I mean, so to, to someone would say, all right, so God told

Tim Winders: 00:27:43

you to, to shut down and fire 45 people.

Tim Winders: 00:27:46

What about those people?

Tim Winders: 00:27:47

You know, what, what about their role?

Tim Winders: 00:27:49

What about, what about the clients that, we heard their Christian clients,

Tim Winders: 00:27:54

how did, how did that, that seems a little harsh for some of that.

Tim Winders: 00:28:00

And, and, and, let's, so here's then the third part of it, you could

Tim Winders: 00:28:05

address, you probably went from X amount to, zero times X, unless there

Tim Winders: 00:28:11

were some things still built in there.

Tim Winders: 00:28:14

And then, Address those things too, because then I want to ask, the

Tim Winders: 00:28:18

next thing is, like, how is he, this is the way I word it now, because

Tim Winders: 00:28:22

I've been through similar things.

Tim Winders: 00:28:25

When someone asks me questions that are a little more logistical,

Tim Winders: 00:28:31

the wording that I use is, this is how he's getting resources.

Ron Cool: 00:28:36

yes,

Tim Winders: 00:28:37

To us right now.

Tim Winders: 00:28:39

So maybe think in terms like, and, and I don't know why.

Tim Winders: 00:28:43

And again, Ron, my, our, our story, people kind of want to know how, how did you go

Tim Winders: 00:28:47

from, seven figure businesses to homeless and bankrupt and then where you are now.

Tim Winders: 00:28:53

And I go, there's a story there.

Tim Winders: 00:28:55

Do you have time to quit?

Tim Winders: 00:28:56

so we got a little bit of time, I guess is the point.

Tim Winders: 00:28:59

so tell me about the people because there's a heart for people.

Tim Winders: 00:29:03

And then, maybe we went from here to here and here's what's going on now.

Ron Cool: 00:29:06

Yeah.

Ron Cool: 00:29:06

No.

Ron Cool: 00:29:07

So the people were easy.

Ron Cool: 00:29:08

I found them jobs because they were important to me.

Ron Cool: 00:29:12

So I had a couple of connections in the microcontent space and I found

Ron Cool: 00:29:19

all of them work with other companies.

Ron Cool: 00:29:22

So that was very simple, but I had to let them know that this

Ron Cool: 00:29:26

company was no longer right.

Ron Cool: 00:29:29

And so it worked out, it worked out great for them as for the clients.

Ron Cool: 00:29:36

It was just, it was a real conversation.

Ron Cool: 00:29:38

It was funny because none of them were upset because also my goal,

Ron Cool: 00:29:45

I never wanted a client to stay with me forever, ever, ever, ever.

Ron Cool: 00:29:49

ever.

Ron Cool: 00:29:49

I gave them the tools to do everything I did for them on their own.

Ron Cool: 00:29:57

And so no one felt high and dry, not a single person.

Ron Cool: 00:30:03

And, and that was as far as I'm concerned, a blessing, because I didn't, I was

Ron Cool: 00:30:07

still trying to please everybody.

Ron Cool: 00:30:10

but at the end of the day, I had to do what God was really calling me to do.

Ron Cool: 00:30:15

And it was not easy.

Ron Cool: 00:30:18

And walking away from that, especially when I'm a planner, I focus on things.

Ron Cool: 00:30:24

I am risk aversion.

Ron Cool: 00:30:27

I can plan everything to a T.

Ron Cool: 00:30:30

And not fail.

Ron Cool: 00:30:31

That's how my whole life's been, and I don't like it.

Ron Cool: 00:30:35

I don't like failing.

Ron Cool: 00:30:36

So I will plan everything to be successful.

Ron Cool: 00:30:38

And this was not that time.

Ron Cool: 00:30:43

And then, so my wife expected me to go launch something and

Ron Cool: 00:30:46

take off and do something new.

Ron Cool: 00:30:47

And I've just become patient and waited the Lord.

Ron Cool: 00:30:53

And so that's what I've been doing.

Ron Cool: 00:30:54

It kind of freaked her out.

Ron Cool: 00:30:56

And then resource wise to kind of touch on that.

Ron Cool: 00:30:59

It's very interesting how resources come.

Ron Cool: 00:31:03

Uh, she was.

Ron Cool: 00:31:04

She was offered a, staff role at the church that we didn't ask for.

Ron Cool: 00:31:11

We didn't talk about, and it fits what.

Ron Cool: 00:31:15

She's she has a degree in sociology and psychology and she's the kid's director

Ron Cool: 00:31:19

and makes all the sense in the world.

Ron Cool: 00:31:21

And, so now that did not, that did not equal equal out.

Ron Cool: 00:31:28

but it's, it's, it's interesting cause then we had some people go, Hey, we had a

Ron Cool: 00:31:33

flat tire and someone at church goes, Hey, I'm feeling called to buy you new tires.

Ron Cool: 00:31:39

I'm like, I, I appreciate that.

Ron Cool: 00:31:42

I don't need new tires.

Ron Cool: 00:31:44

And she, and, and he goes.

Ron Cool: 00:31:46

I understand that.

Ron Cool: 00:31:47

Just God told me to buy you tires.

Ron Cool: 00:31:49

So I'm buying you tires.

Ron Cool: 00:31:50

And here's a check.

Ron Cool: 00:31:51

And I was like, what, what?

Ron Cool: 00:31:54

My, my favorite story that I tell people, cause it makes no

Ron Cool: 00:31:59

sense, but I'll, I'll share it.

Ron Cool: 00:32:02

I was driving my wife's car cause all of our cars were paid off and I was driving

Ron Cool: 00:32:07

my wife's car and I was going to pick up, um, my kids where normally they would

Ron Cool: 00:32:13

have been in the car, but they weren't.

Ron Cool: 00:32:16

And at 60 miles an hour, I slammed into it, totaled her car.

Ron Cool: 00:32:23

Everyone was fine.

Ron Cool: 00:32:26

I walked out, she walked out.

Ron Cool: 00:32:28

She was really nice about it.

Ron Cool: 00:32:30

it was around Easter and, we were serving for Easter and the pastures,

Ron Cool: 00:32:38

my wife didn't, I'm going to give everyone something not to do.

Ron Cool: 00:32:43

She didn't answer my phone call.

Ron Cool: 00:32:46

So I just texture a picture of the car and so she instantly started crying with the

Ron Cool: 00:32:52

pastors and I was like, we're fine, but I heard in my voice because I was literally

Ron Cool: 00:32:58

an hour away from everybody I heard in my, my head call my mother in law.

Ron Cool: 00:33:04

I was like, that's weird.

Ron Cool: 00:33:05

So I called my mother in law.

Ron Cool: 00:33:06

She was a block away from me.

Ron Cool: 00:33:09

So she came and got me and yeah, God was so good at this because

Ron Cool: 00:33:17

that could have ended poorly for the other person or for me.

Ron Cool: 00:33:20

that could have ended poorly if my kids were in the car.

Ron Cool: 00:33:22

There could have been so many ended purely badly, right?

Ron Cool: 00:33:26

So then my mother in law was in a car accident a couple months prior to that

Ron Cool: 00:33:31

and it took him forever to get the check.

Ron Cool: 00:33:35

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:33:36

And it was the same thing.

Ron Cool: 00:33:38

She hit a car, took forever.

Ron Cool: 00:33:40

So I was like, Oh my gosh, my mom had a, has two cars.

Ron Cool: 00:33:43

One, they're both new and one was just sitting around.

Ron Cool: 00:33:46

And I was like, Hmm, I'm going to ask my mom, mom, can I borrow your car?

Ron Cool: 00:33:50

Cause I just destroyed mine.

Ron Cool: 00:33:52

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:33:53

That was kind of hard.

Ron Cool: 00:33:54

So she gave me her car to borrow, but I was afraid to drive it.

Ron Cool: 00:33:57

Cause I was like, I don't want to wreck that.

Ron Cool: 00:33:59

Why did I wreck my wife's car instead of my car?

Ron Cool: 00:34:02

it was a nicer Lexus SUV.

Ron Cool: 00:34:04

And I was like, what am I going to do?

Ron Cool: 00:34:05

So then the pastors just started praying double portion, double portion.

Ron Cool: 00:34:12

And I'm looking at like the Kelly blue book of my car.

Ron Cool: 00:34:16

And it was like 9, 000.

Ron Cool: 00:34:17

I was like, Oh my gosh, like I'm not going to be able to replace my wife's car.

Ron Cool: 00:34:21

Cause we don't like car payments.

Ron Cool: 00:34:22

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:34:24

And I kept hearing pastors praying double portion over us, double portion.

Ron Cool: 00:34:28

So the insurance gets back to me Monday, four days later.

Ron Cool: 00:34:33

It goes, Hey, here's what the is, here's your check.

Ron Cool: 00:34:36

It's 18, 000.

Ron Cool: 00:34:37

I'm like, what?

Ron Cool: 00:34:40

That's awesome.

Ron Cool: 00:34:41

That's a double portion, right?

Ron Cool: 00:34:43

Not realizing how the used car market was, everything was so expensive and it

Ron Cool: 00:34:51

was a worse vehicle than what she had.

Ron Cool: 00:34:53

And I was like, what am I going to do?

Ron Cool: 00:34:56

And I asked my wife, I go, what color car do you want?

Ron Cool: 00:35:00

And she goes, I don't care, just don't spend more.

Ron Cool: 00:35:04

And I go, cool, can you just tell me the color car you want?

Ron Cool: 00:35:08

And she goes, fine, pearl white.

Ron Cool: 00:35:11

And I go, that was oddly specific, right?

Ron Cool: 00:35:14

I was like, oddly specific.

Ron Cool: 00:35:15

So I'm talking to her dad, who also works in the car business, and he's laughing.

Ron Cool: 00:35:20

He goes, you know what color it won't be.

Ron Cool: 00:35:22

I said, absolutely.

Ron Cool: 00:35:23

I know what color it's not going to be.

Ron Cool: 00:35:25

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:35:26

And I go, I can't even find a car that matches.

Ron Cool: 00:35:31

What we want in the lower mileage that we had because we have a low mileage and

Ron Cool: 00:35:38

It's not gonna be as nice and so we're looking and we couldn't find anything.

Ron Cool: 00:35:43

We couldn't find anything.

Ron Cool: 00:35:43

We're gonna settle So I was talking to my mom.

Ron Cool: 00:35:45

She goes I go.

Ron Cool: 00:35:46

Hey mom because you know how the insurance does they give you X amount?

Ron Cool: 00:35:53

they give you X amount until they get the title and then

Ron Cool: 00:35:55

they give you the rest and I go.

Ron Cool: 00:35:57

Hey mom I found this This car.

Ron Cool: 00:35:59

it kind of works, kind of works.

Ron Cool: 00:36:03

And she goes, where's it at?

Ron Cool: 00:36:05

And I go, I don't know.

Ron Cool: 00:36:06

One of those rinky dink deal dealers on, on Broadway.

Ron Cool: 00:36:08

She goes, no, because I needed like the X amount of money.

Ron Cool: 00:36:13

And then I was just going to pay her back when I got the insurance.

Ron Cool: 00:36:16

And she goes, no, just go back to Lexus.

Ron Cool: 00:36:18

And I go, mom, they don't have something at Lexus that fits what I need.

Ron Cool: 00:36:26

And she goes, what are you looking for?

Ron Cool: 00:36:27

And I go, mom, I just want the same kind of car.

Ron Cool: 00:36:30

Like I don't want anything.

Ron Cool: 00:36:33

And she goes, what color does Rachel want?

Ron Cool: 00:36:36

And I go.

Ron Cool: 00:36:37

She ironically said Pearl White, but said no big deal, right?

Ron Cool: 00:36:41

And I go, Mom, there's not going to be anything.

Ron Cool: 00:36:43

She goes, did you check this other Lexus that was like two hours away?

Ron Cool: 00:36:48

And ironically, they had a Pearl White Lexus SUV that was newer,

Ron Cool: 00:36:55

less miles than what she had.

Ron Cool: 00:36:59

And it was double the amount of what I had.

Ron Cool: 00:37:05

And I go, okay, Mom, this is the only thing they have.

Ron Cool: 00:37:07

So I'm not going to do it.

Ron Cool: 00:37:08

And she goes, I'll pay for it.

Ron Cool: 00:37:11

Go get it.

Ron Cool: 00:37:12

I was like, I'm sorry.

Ron Cool: 00:37:13

What?

Ron Cool: 00:37:15

And, and my father in law was praying for God to do exceedingly abundantly

Ron Cool: 00:37:18

more than you could ever ask.

Ron Cool: 00:37:20

Right?

Ron Cool: 00:37:21

So I call my, my wife and I go, Hey, my mom just said this and she goes, no.

Ron Cool: 00:37:27

And I go, yeah, it's kind of where I was like, that's a lot, so I

Ron Cool: 00:37:32

was talking to my father in law and telling him the whole story.

Ron Cool: 00:37:35

He goes, timeout.

Ron Cool: 00:37:37

We literally just prayed.

Ron Cool: 00:37:39

For God to do exceedingly more than you could ever ask.

Ron Cool: 00:37:43

So now you need to decide, is your pride going to get in the way?

Ron Cool: 00:37:46

Are you going to accept the blessing?

Ron Cool: 00:37:48

I was like, ouch.

Ron Cool: 00:37:50

Okay.

Ron Cool: 00:37:50

So I call my wife, I go, I'm going to go pick up your car.

Ron Cool: 00:37:53

I'll see you in a minute.

Ron Cool: 00:37:55

So I call this dealer and I go.

Ron Cool: 00:37:58

I'm coming from two hours away.

Ron Cool: 00:37:59

Do not bait and switch me.

Ron Cool: 00:38:02

I want this car.

Ron Cool: 00:38:03

Do not sell it.

Ron Cool: 00:38:05

Like I'm paying cash.

Ron Cool: 00:38:08

And he goes, I put sold on it.

Ron Cool: 00:38:10

I said, okay, if I come like, and it's gone, I'm really angry.

Ron Cool: 00:38:16

And so I get there and there's my salesman and this couple arguing about the car.

Ron Cool: 00:38:24

I'm like, Oh, what's going on?

Ron Cool: 00:38:27

And he goes, I come out, I go, Hey, what, what's up?

Ron Cool: 00:38:31

And he goes, funny story.

Ron Cool: 00:38:32

I go, I'm sure it is.

Ron Cool: 00:38:33

I'm sure it is.

Ron Cool: 00:38:34

And he goes, right when you called and said you wanted this

Ron Cool: 00:38:40

car, their deal fell through.

Ron Cool: 00:38:44

And then I put it on hold.

Ron Cool: 00:38:46

They went to the bank, figured out there was a mistake, came back to try to buy it.

Ron Cool: 00:38:50

And now it was sold out from under them.

Ron Cool: 00:38:54

And I said, that was just a God thing.

Ron Cool: 00:38:56

So thank you.

Ron Cool: 00:38:57

I'm really sorry.

Ron Cool: 00:38:58

And then they ended up getting a different car.

Ron Cool: 00:39:01

But it was, it was just crazy how all of that works.

Ron Cool: 00:39:04

So talking about, God gives resources from unexplained places before I

Ron Cool: 00:39:10

would have said, I figured that out.

Ron Cool: 00:39:15

what my mom did.

Ron Cool: 00:39:17

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:39:18

Old Ron, that would have been the answers.

Ron Cool: 00:39:20

New Ron, all glory to God, all glory.

Ron Cool: 00:39:24

There's, there was a double upon double blessing that.

Ron Cool: 00:39:28

I can't explain except for only God, only God could have taken a 9, 000

Ron Cool: 00:39:37

car and turned it into a 50, 000.

Ron Cool: 00:39:41

Only God.

Tim Winders: 00:39:43

So one thing, Ron, that's interesting, there's two things

Tim Winders: 00:39:46

that I picked up from that story.

Tim Winders: 00:39:48

One, I'll get to in just a second, but with, with new With new path, new you,

Tim Winders: 00:39:53

and with what you're doing in ministry.

Tim Winders: 00:39:56

And it seems like it's where it seems like it might be the boat you're in currently.

Tim Winders: 00:40:01

I'll say it that way.

Tim Winders: 00:40:02

How about that?

Tim Winders: 00:40:03

We'll start, we'll start using the right language here.

Tim Winders: 00:40:06

So the boat you're in currently is obviously, communicating to men,

Tim Winders: 00:40:10

helping men, maybe that, that were in a place like where you were to where

Tim Winders: 00:40:14

you are now, not that you've got all the answers or anything like that.

Tim Winders: 00:40:17

I think that's a powerful transition that many of us, I think, will continue

Tim Winders: 00:40:21

to have to make, and that is, we used to think we knew it all the longer we lived,

Tim Winders: 00:40:26

the less and less we recognized, but you brought up earlier that, you wanted to be

Tim Winders: 00:40:32

the provider that was important for you when we were talking about your company.

Ron Cool: 00:40:36

Yes.

Tim Winders: 00:40:36

think when we're talking about, putting our, our, our wife

Tim Winders: 00:40:40

and kids in a car many times, that's.

Tim Winders: 00:40:45

Important badge of honor for us to say, it's got, good

Tim Winders: 00:40:49

car, solid, safe, good tires.

Tim Winders: 00:40:51

You've talked about tires.

Tim Winders: 00:40:53

You've talked about all these things here.

Tim Winders: 00:40:55

So in, in the interaction that you've had with men, since you've been called to

Tim Winders: 00:41:01

work with men, what do they need to know about the process of moving from the,

Tim Winders: 00:41:07

if it is to be, it's up to me, I've got to provide, which there is, there is a.

Tim Winders: 00:41:12

Scripture for that.

Tim Winders: 00:41:13

I think the scripture can be twisted often and that is you're worse than an

Tim Winders: 00:41:16

infidel if you don't provide I think it's anyway, I won't go into it How are what

Tim Winders: 00:41:22

are you seeing with men you interact with?

Tim Winders: 00:41:24

I know you lead groups and stuff like that with all the talking you're doing And

Tim Winders: 00:41:27

moving from where you did to to that place where they could allow something like

Tim Winders: 00:41:32

you just shared with that story To happen help us connect the dots with whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:41:38

I mean i'm kind of throwing you a big wide net here to take it Wherever

Tim Winders: 00:41:41

you want to does that make sense?

Ron Cool: 00:41:43

Yeah, no, it's good.

Ron Cool: 00:41:44

And, and rein me in if you want.

Ron Cool: 00:41:46

so I think there's two things that, that men have to do.

Ron Cool: 00:41:50

There's three, they have to really surrender.

Ron Cool: 00:41:54

They really have to surrender.

Ron Cool: 00:41:56

Right?

Ron Cool: 00:41:56

Yeah, exactly.

Ron Cool: 00:41:58

And none of us want to do that.

Ron Cool: 00:41:59

Like at the end of the day, none of us want to do it.

Ron Cool: 00:42:01

And then the two prayers, Craig Rochelle, has dangerous prayer book.

Ron Cool: 00:42:07

and it's about, Seek, seek my heart, seek me, look, search me.

Ron Cool: 00:42:11

Is there something within me that is not pleasing for you and break it?

Ron Cool: 00:42:17

And that's, that's the last thing you have to be broken.

Ron Cool: 00:42:21

And what?

Ron Cool: 00:42:22

And it's funny because I'm helping a guy right now who he had a 35 million company

Ron Cool: 00:42:27

that just got snatched and lost it all.

Ron Cool: 00:42:31

And I'm like, look, man, you were about to buy a jet.

Ron Cool: 00:42:37

So you tell me what you were chasing.

Ron Cool: 00:42:39

Were you chasing God or were you chasing fame?

Ron Cool: 00:42:41

And, and it's funny because my daughter was on stage this

Ron Cool: 00:42:45

last, Sunday and she's seven.

Ron Cool: 00:42:49

She's seven, but she was on stage.

Ron Cool: 00:42:50

They were doing this vision thing with kids and she was up there writing notes.

Ron Cool: 00:42:54

And I literally thought she was drawing.

Ron Cool: 00:42:56

She was taking sermon notes at seven and wrote yes to chasing

Ron Cool: 00:43:03

God, no to chasing fame.

Ron Cool: 00:43:06

I was like, wow, that was a message to me.

Ron Cool: 00:43:08

And the reason I know it was a message to me because underneath it, she wrote.

Ron Cool: 00:43:12

N P N Y.

Ron Cool: 00:43:16

I was like, what is that?

Ron Cool: 00:43:18

And she goes, new path.

Ron Cool: 00:43:20

New you daddy.

Ron Cool: 00:43:22

And I was like, Oh, wow.

Ron Cool: 00:43:25

Talking about, I don't talk about my podcast to my Children.

Ron Cool: 00:43:31

I don't like it blew my mind.

Ron Cool: 00:43:34

She even knew.

Ron Cool: 00:43:38

And I was like, telling this guy, go look, God talks through

Ron Cool: 00:43:42

your Children all the time.

Ron Cool: 00:43:45

And if you choose to pay attention and then act on it, I said, but for you,

Ron Cool: 00:43:50

you're starting out, you're, you're not willing to forgive yourself for

Ron Cool: 00:43:55

losing the company and you're not surrendering yourself to God's will.

Ron Cool: 00:44:04

And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

Ron Cool: 00:44:08

And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

Ron Cool: 00:44:13

going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

Ron Cool: 00:44:19

it's funny because I would always find myself in the same situations.

Ron Cool: 00:44:22

I was like, how does that even happen, right?

Ron Cool: 00:44:25

It's because I didn't learn.

Ron Cool: 00:44:26

But, for, for the question, I think the biggest thing is men have to be

Ron Cool: 00:44:32

broken and then surrender to God's will.

Ron Cool: 00:44:35

And that's, that's more than just saying it.

Ron Cool: 00:44:41

That's more than anything.

Ron Cool: 00:44:42

I asked my wife, when did you think I would go back to being who I used to be?

Ron Cool: 00:44:47

Because she, she shared with me, she goes, I stopped praying that you would change.

Ron Cool: 00:44:53

And that was painful to hear, right?

Ron Cool: 00:44:58

And then we have to reprioritize our life.

Ron Cool: 00:45:05

You have to chase God, you have to like equal with your

Ron Cool: 00:45:10

wife and you have to chase her.

Ron Cool: 00:45:13

Like everyone, we all chased our wife when we were trying to get married, right?

Ron Cool: 00:45:18

Or date her.

Ron Cool: 00:45:20

And then once, once we got married, like I love her to

Ron Cool: 00:45:23

death, but I stopped pursuing her.

Ron Cool: 00:45:27

I didn't feel I needed to pursue her.

Ron Cool: 00:45:29

And God, God said to me, just because you're happy doesn't mean she is.

Ron Cool: 00:45:37

That was painful.

Ron Cool: 00:45:37

Like all of it.

Ron Cool: 00:45:38

It was the most painful experience I've ever had.

Ron Cool: 00:45:41

but I had to be broken.

Ron Cool: 00:45:43

And like I told my friend, I was like, look, the enemy came after your

Ron Cool: 00:45:47

identity, which was this business.

Ron Cool: 00:45:50

And God let that happen because your identity was in the wrong spot.

Ron Cool: 00:45:54

And until your identity is in the right spot, you're going to have a crack

Ron Cool: 00:45:58

and the enemy is going to exploit it.

Tim Winders: 00:46:01

so one thing that's interesting, you mentioned surrender

Tim Winders: 00:46:04

first and I went, Oh, that's good.

Tim Winders: 00:46:06

That's good.

Tim Winders: 00:46:06

But then you mentioned you got to be broken last.

Tim Winders: 00:46:09

And unfortunately that order seems to go broken, then surrender.

Tim Winders: 00:46:18

At least it did for me.

Tim Winders: 00:46:19

It seems like your journey may have been, and maybe it's men that way.

Tim Winders: 00:46:22

I, and, and, and, we hate to generalize, but women are different.

Tim Winders: 00:46:26

It's a different thing.

Tim Winders: 00:46:27

They seem to be more humble, surrender, they're the ones that lead

Tim Winders: 00:46:33

us into, spiritual walk and, and, sometimes it's kicking and screaming.

Tim Winders: 00:46:38

Sometimes it's, whatever, but that's interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:46:42

so my question, and it's, it's a trick question.

Ron Cool: 00:46:45

Sure.

Ron Cool: 00:46:46

Sure.

Tim Winders: 00:46:46

there is no answer to, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

Tim Winders: 00:46:51

Is it possible to reverse the order and surrender first so

Tim Winders: 00:46:56

that we don't have to be broken?

Ron Cool: 00:46:58

Yeah.

Ron Cool: 00:46:58

so here's, here's why I say it this way.

Ron Cool: 00:47:01

Okay.

Ron Cool: 00:47:01

Cause surrender is you have to be open to the idea of giving control up.

Ron Cool: 00:47:06

Once you're able to give control up in your mind, you're not there.

Ron Cool: 00:47:12

Like you haven't truly surrendered.

Ron Cool: 00:47:15

Until you're broken,

Tim Winders: 00:47:16

that might be the step out of the boat, right?

Tim Winders: 00:47:18

Are we going back to step out of the boat?

Ron Cool: 00:47:20

We are stepping out of the boat, right?

Ron Cool: 00:47:22

So we, we, we have to trust in God and we have to surrender, right?

Ron Cool: 00:47:26

But he wants a step first.

Ron Cool: 00:47:28

Your step is the mind.

Ron Cool: 00:47:30

Your mind is going to say, okay, yeah, I'm going to do that.

Ron Cool: 00:47:34

Right?

Ron Cool: 00:47:35

Then, then you can ask God to show you what needs to be broken.

Ron Cool: 00:47:42

Because what you think needs to be broken might not be what God's trying to break.

Ron Cool: 00:47:48

It might be that, but it might be a lot more other things that stink that you

Ron Cool: 00:47:54

don't want to give surrender to like you can have all of this little area over

Ron Cool: 00:47:58

here, Lord, but you can't have this.

Ron Cool: 00:48:01

This is mine stuff to this is this is who I am.

Ron Cool: 00:48:04

He wants all of that broken, and and when I, when I shared this with him,

Ron Cool: 00:48:11

I was like, do you surrender to him?

Ron Cool: 00:48:14

And he's yeah, I go, do you do you?

Ron Cool: 00:48:19

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:48:19

And then he's yeah.

Ron Cool: 00:48:20

And I go, Hey, let's talk about it.

Ron Cool: 00:48:21

So as we're talking, he, and this is not anything I'm doing or

Ron Cool: 00:48:26

saying or anything, but you could tell God's working in his head.

Ron Cool: 00:48:31

Cause then by the end of the conversation, he's crying and

Ron Cool: 00:48:34

he's a, he's a manly man, right?

Ron Cool: 00:48:36

that took me off that he was there, but I was like, all right, Lord,

Ron Cool: 00:48:39

you, you did something right.

Ron Cool: 00:48:41

And even yesterday I checked with him and I was like, ask him to break you.

Ron Cool: 00:48:47

It's hard.

Ron Cool: 00:48:49

And then when he breaks you, resurrender, resurrender, but it starts with, you have

Ron Cool: 00:48:57

to be okay with the process, you know,

Tim Winders: 00:49:02

I, one of the things I do, I've shared this often, is that

Tim Winders: 00:49:05

I'll listen to the Sermon on the Mount.

Tim Winders: 00:49:07

audibly many times.

Tim Winders: 00:49:09

I've done it almost every morning for the last three, four years.

Tim Winders: 00:49:15

And at the very end of the, what we call the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew seven,

Tim Winders: 00:49:20

there's this, I'll call it the clincher where Jesus says, there's two people,

Tim Winders: 00:49:28

this is my version of it, and there's basically two people that there's the

Tim Winders: 00:49:32

one that listens to me, and then the one, the one that doesn't, and the one that

Tim Winders: 00:49:36

doesn't, the rains come, the floods come, and the house that's built on sand washes

Tim Winders: 00:49:40

away, and then the one that listens and heeds my voice, the rains come, the floods

Tim Winders: 00:49:46

come, and something just recently, I've listened to it over and over again, the

Tim Winders: 00:49:51

rains come and the floods come regardless.

Tim Winders: 00:49:53

because

Ron Cool: 00:49:54

Yeah.

Ron Cool: 00:49:54

Either way you're getting, you're going through

Tim Winders: 00:49:57

many, many times what we'll try to do is say, Oh, this

Tim Winders: 00:50:00

it's the enemy or it's this or that.

Tim Winders: 00:50:02

No, the rains and the floods and the sunshine, earlier in the Sermon on

Tim Winders: 00:50:06

the Mount, there's the sun shines on the just and the unjust, it's like

Tim Winders: 00:50:10

that those are life is going to happen is what are we going to deal with?

Tim Winders: 00:50:14

I love your example with this guy you're talking about, because for

Tim Winders: 00:50:17

me, I never had a great deal of.

Tim Winders: 00:50:21

Shame that entered into my being and who I was, but because my entire identity

Tim Winders: 00:50:29

was I'm successful in business, I do well, we've raised money, all that

Tim Winders: 00:50:32

kind of stuff, and all of a sudden now we're homeless and bankrupt, it's

Tim Winders: 00:50:36

I'm dealing with something I haven't dealt with before, which is shame.

Tim Winders: 00:50:40

And so I I've come to terms that this surrender, the surrender, broken

Tim Winders: 00:50:47

surrender, broken is not an event.

Tim Winders: 00:50:49

It's a process.

Tim Winders: 00:50:50

And part of our, what this word is big word that we use called sanctification.

Tim Winders: 00:50:55

No one can totally explain it, that that's Tim's sanctification, Ron's sanctification

Tim Winders: 00:51:02

right now is having everything burned and scraped and, and, taken away that is

Tim Winders: 00:51:09

world system so that we are preparing for that kingdom of God for all of eternity.

Tim Winders: 00:51:16

And, and that's the, I don't want to just punch my ticket, which

Tim Winders: 00:51:19

is what a lot of us think we do.

Tim Winders: 00:51:20

We just punch our salvation ticket.

Tim Winders: 00:51:22

We're good.

Tim Winders: 00:51:23

And we can just keep doing all this other stuff, whatever the other stuff is.

Tim Winders: 00:51:27

And you and I, we had to purge a lot of this mammon business

Tim Winders: 00:51:32

success, stuff like that.

Tim Winders: 00:51:35

So anyway, all right, that's my preach, my rant.

Tim Winders: 00:51:37

There's another practical thing.

Tim Winders: 00:51:39

And then I want us to talk about new path, new you, as we wrap up here.

Tim Winders: 00:51:43

heard you say, I, I've tried to keep a count, but it was probably

Tim Winders: 00:51:47

at least five or six times.

Tim Winders: 00:51:48

I may be off a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:51:51

Something to the effect of God told me or God said, or I heard God say, and I

Tim Winders: 00:51:59

know Ron, there are people that are right now going, I don't hear God's voice.

Ron Cool: 00:52:06

Oh

Tim Winders: 00:52:06

that happen?

Tim Winders: 00:52:07

he was still, he was still a little bit messed up and he

Tim Winders: 00:52:11

said he heard God's voice.

Tim Winders: 00:52:13

You got to be, this is some people saying this, you got to be perfect

Tim Winders: 00:52:16

before you even go before the Lord.

Tim Winders: 00:52:18

So talk a little bit about that topic of.

Tim Winders: 00:52:23

Hearing from God and maybe just personally, what was your journey?

Tim Winders: 00:52:26

How have you come to it?

Tim Winders: 00:52:28

Are you 110 percent confident that's God's voice or

Ron Cool: 00:52:32

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:52:33

so?

Tim Winders: 00:52:34

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:52:34

That's our last teaching topic.

Tim Winders: 00:52:36

Then we're going to talk about a few practical things so

Tim Winders: 00:52:38

people can connect with you.

Ron Cool: 00:52:39

Sure.

Ron Cool: 00:52:40

No, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give a story because my daughter

Ron Cool: 00:52:42

asked, This exact question.

Ron Cool: 00:52:45

How do you hear from God?

Ron Cool: 00:52:46

And I hear from God a lot of different ways.

Ron Cool: 00:52:49

and I was like, here's, here's one way you can do it.

Ron Cool: 00:52:52

grab your Bible because it is words living.

Ron Cool: 00:52:54

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:52:55

And just ask a question out loud.

Ron Cool: 00:52:58

Just let's ask God a question.

Ron Cool: 00:53:01

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:53:02

And she's 10 and she's asking God a question.

Ron Cool: 00:53:06

I was like, all right, Lord, this is your time.

Ron Cool: 00:53:08

I've never said genie time, but it's my daughter, can we just start her

Ron Cool: 00:53:13

relationship in a really cool way?

Ron Cool: 00:53:16

So she asks a question and she said a word and what's awful is I can't remember

Ron Cool: 00:53:21

the word It wasn't like something that was readily in every Bible page

Ron Cool: 00:53:27

Let's just say that right and it was part of her question and I go, okay.

Ron Cool: 00:53:34

Sometimes, honey, this is what I do.

Ron Cool: 00:53:36

I'll pray and then I'll open the Bible to wherever I said.

Ron Cool: 00:53:39

So just open the Bible where you feel God's leading you to open the Bible.

Ron Cool: 00:53:43

And so she opened it and she was drawn to this section of the Bible

Ron Cool: 00:53:48

and it was her word that she said.

Ron Cool: 00:53:52

She goes, Oh, that's the word.

Ron Cool: 00:53:53

I said, let's, let's read the story.

Ron Cool: 00:53:56

And it literally answered her question.

Ron Cool: 00:53:58

And I was like, how cool is that?

Ron Cool: 00:54:00

Right.

Ron Cool: 00:54:01

And I thanked God right then.

Ron Cool: 00:54:02

I said, let's thank him.

Ron Cool: 00:54:04

And so then she was like, Hmm, I go.

Ron Cool: 00:54:05

And now sometimes it's.

Ron Cool: 00:54:07

I'll just turn somewhere else to see if there's something else.

Ron Cool: 00:54:12

And I go, is there anywhere else you feel you need to turn?

Ron Cool: 00:54:15

So she turns and there was the word again, right?

Ron Cool: 00:54:20

And I was like, Oh, thank you, Lord.

Ron Cool: 00:54:22

Thank you, Lord.

Ron Cool: 00:54:23

so I, I hear God through his word.

Ron Cool: 00:54:27

Okay, but if I'm like, I prayed a lot to hear God's, let me rephrase that.

Ron Cool: 00:54:37

I prayed a lot to hear the enemy's voice because the enemy whispers.

Ron Cool: 00:54:43

And then when you say it, it becomes your voice.

Ron Cool: 00:54:48

So I'm downstairs one day and I kept hearing your wife doesn't need you.

Ron Cool: 00:54:56

She's fine.

Ron Cool: 00:54:59

But first time ever, it was not my voice.

Ron Cool: 00:55:04

I was stoked.

Ron Cool: 00:55:06

I was so excited.

Ron Cool: 00:55:07

I jumped up, ran upstairs, gave my wife a hug and she goes, I needed that.

Ron Cool: 00:55:12

I said, I know, I know you needed that because I heard a voice that wasn't right.

Ron Cool: 00:55:21

So when it comes to, Like God, like I'll see things and all this other stuff, but

Ron Cool: 00:55:27

if you think about it, even Paul on the road to Damascus, he was not perfect.

Ron Cool: 00:55:31

He was not a good guy.

Ron Cool: 00:55:34

And there was Jesus, right?

Ron Cool: 00:55:37

and Peter, not, not the best of guys.

Ron Cool: 00:55:44

Jesus called him and I think if you're open to the calling and

Ron Cool: 00:55:49

you really listen, God touches you in a lot of different ways.

Ron Cool: 00:55:53

It could be a gut feeling.

Ron Cool: 00:55:55

It could be his word.

Ron Cool: 00:55:57

I mean, his, his word tells, I mean, it's a living word.

Ron Cool: 00:56:00

Um, it could be a small little voice.

Ron Cool: 00:56:04

I mean, if you think about it, all the storms in the Bible, it

Ron Cool: 00:56:09

was a quiet voice that calmed it.

Ron Cool: 00:56:12

So if it's a loud, crazy voice, that's probably not enough.

Ron Cool: 00:56:16

If it's a quiet, quiet

Ron Cool: 00:56:18

voice and it's just nagging and it's, it's pushing you forward.

Ron Cool: 00:56:23

how I look at it is if the voice is pushing me forward, That could be from

Ron Cool: 00:56:28

God, but I, I, I have a really cool way of discerning stuff, but if the voice

Ron Cool: 00:56:33

is pushing backwards or look back, look back at the shame, that's not God.

Ron Cool: 00:56:39

That's the enemy not wanting you to move forward and that's it.

Tim Winders: 00:56:44

How important, how important is it?

Tim Winders: 00:56:46

This is, this is, this is my last question.

Tim Winders: 00:56:50

important is it for people that are, you use the word workaholic at the beginning.

Tim Winders: 00:56:55

I'm sure with the level of responsibility you had in your

Tim Winders: 00:56:58

company and all that, there was a lot of phone calls, a lot going on.

Tim Winders: 00:57:02

You probably had at least one phone.

Tim Winders: 00:57:05

How important is it To be still and quiet for you.

Tim Winders: 00:57:11

I mean, some people say they can hear God and they're going at it.

Tim Winders: 00:57:14

I can't, I've tried enough fool to myself.

Tim Winders: 00:57:19

I think before, I think that's where a lot of other voices and things come at

Tim Winders: 00:57:23

me, but I have got to be still and quiet.

Tim Winders: 00:57:26

How about you?

Ron Cool: 00:57:27

going back to what you just said about being, kind

Ron Cool: 00:57:30

of tricked or fooling yourself.

Ron Cool: 00:57:32

Rachel and I would try to have God time at night.

Ron Cool: 00:57:36

you're tired at night.

Ron Cool: 00:57:37

What's the first thing that doesn't happen?

Ron Cool: 00:57:40

God, God doesn't, God doesn't want your leftovers.

Ron Cool: 00:57:45

He wants to be first.

Ron Cool: 00:57:47

So we said, all right, Lord, we're going to, this is three and a half

Ron Cool: 00:57:51

years ago and we do it every day.

Ron Cool: 00:57:52

Now we're going to start our day with you.

Ron Cool: 00:57:56

However long it is, we're going to start the day.

Ron Cool: 00:57:59

And Friday, we we Sabbath really hard on Fridays.

Ron Cool: 00:58:04

We disconnect from phone.

Ron Cool: 00:58:05

We disconnect everything.

Ron Cool: 00:58:07

Um, I've actually transitioned my driving, focus on my phone where if you text me

Ron Cool: 00:58:15

on Friday, it says I'm sabbathing today and I, there's no tech in my life today.

Ron Cool: 00:58:19

So I'm not responding to you, And so I use that, but that was, that

Ron Cool: 00:58:25

was a journey in itself as well.

Ron Cool: 00:58:27

But it's, it's, it's hyper important to spend time with God.

Ron Cool: 00:58:31

So you get to know him and just like any friend, any relationship.

Ron Cool: 00:58:37

It was funny because I was spending time with God, Friday and I was laughing and

Ron Cool: 00:58:42

it was like I was joking with him and it was the craziest thing because I have

Ron Cool: 00:58:45

never been in that type of moment and I was telling my wife because that's

Ron Cool: 00:58:48

the other piece that's important.

Ron Cool: 00:58:49

We share what God's telling us and it's funny because

Ron Cool: 00:58:55

sometimes we'll do it together.

Ron Cool: 00:58:56

Sometimes we do it separately.

Ron Cool: 00:58:58

It kind of depends on the feeling, but almost all the time they intercede.

Ron Cool: 00:59:04

It's really cool and it's not like we're doing the same, but it was the first time

Ron Cool: 00:59:12

that I was like joking with him like as a friend and I was laughing out loud and

Ron Cool: 00:59:18

I was like, Oh my gosh, that was weird.

Ron Cool: 00:59:19

That was cool.

Ron Cool: 00:59:21

Right?

Ron Cool: 00:59:21

But he's, he's a friend.

Ron Cool: 00:59:25

He's a friend, but you have to spend time with him to understand his voice.

Ron Cool: 00:59:28

Jesus.

Ron Cool: 00:59:29

Jesus said the sheep know my voice.

Ron Cool: 00:59:31

My people know my voice.

Ron Cool: 00:59:33

You'll know the voice if you spend time with.

Tim Winders: 00:59:37

Yeah, going back to the marriage example you used earlier,

Tim Winders: 00:59:39

if you were to have Married Rachel, committed to her and then said, okay,

Tim Winders: 00:59:47

I'm going to go do other things.

Tim Winders: 00:59:49

We're not going to have communication.

Tim Winders: 00:59:50

We're not going to have intimacy.

Tim Winders: 00:59:51

We're not going to do anything together until we die.

Tim Winders: 00:59:57

That's the relationship.

Tim Winders: 00:59:58

A lot of people try with God.

Tim Winders: 00:59:59

They, they punch

Ron Cool: 01:00:01

So good.

Ron Cool: 01:00:01

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 01:00:02

and then they just say, we're, we're not going to

Tim Winders: 01:00:04

do any of the good stuff, the fun stuff, the hard stuff too.

Tim Winders: 01:00:08

And so we have to build it.

Tim Winders: 01:00:09

How long have you been married, Ron?

Tim Winders: 01:00:11

12

Ron Cool: 01:00:12

almost 12 years.

Tim Winders: 01:00:14

years.

Ron Cool: 01:00:14

We're babies.

Tim Winders: 01:00:16

just celebrated 35.

Tim Winders: 01:00:17

And I want to tell you that one of the things my wife, Gloria and I do,

Tim Winders: 01:00:21

and we've done it now for going on close to, let's see, when was that?

Tim Winders: 01:00:27

Oh, eight.

Tim Winders: 01:00:28

I mean, gosh, 15, 17 years is spend a lot of quiet.

Tim Winders: 01:00:33

We schedule nothing early.

Tim Winders: 01:00:36

And it's usually coffee.

Tim Winders: 01:00:38

It's usually, something spiritual, something scriptural.

Tim Winders: 01:00:40

Sometimes it's practical because you need to do that stuff too, but it

Tim Winders: 01:00:44

is typically heavy duty spiritual.

Tim Winders: 01:00:48

Hey, what are you getting from the Lord?

Tim Winders: 01:00:49

Oh, I'm getting that too.

Tim Winders: 01:00:50

How about that?

Tim Winders: 01:00:51

And and there are times when we were going through some tough times where

Tim Winders: 01:00:54

it was four, five, six hours a day.

Tim Winders: 01:00:57

And so anyway, that is, that is really cool.

Tim Winders: 01:00:59

And we just, I think I said this, we 35 years, we're, we're like,

Tim Winders: 01:01:02

we're, we're just getting started.

Tim Winders: 01:01:04

so anyway, all right, so we could keep talking, but new path, new

Tim Winders: 01:01:09

you is that name that you got for, a penny and, and, and so obviously

Tim Winders: 01:01:16

there was something going on there.

Tim Winders: 01:01:18

Tell us what it is and, and how people, what's going on there and

Tim Winders: 01:01:23

why people need to connect with it.

Tim Winders: 01:01:24

And then I've got one more question before we wrap up.

Ron Cool: 01:01:26

Sure.

Ron Cool: 01:01:27

And before I do that, you said something that is important that I want to touch

Ron Cool: 01:01:29

on, especially for men, like, um, Bible prayer times in my calendar,

Ron Cool: 01:01:37

you can calendar what's important.

Ron Cool: 01:01:41

So you don't schedule things early because it affects that.

Ron Cool: 01:01:44

So if you want to create a relationship and it, consistency calendar.

Ron Cool: 01:01:49

It's super easy.

Ron Cool: 01:01:49

Just do it.

Ron Cool: 01:01:50

Especially business guys, right.

Ron Cool: 01:01:52

Just calendar it.

Tim Winders: 01:01:53

and then also turn off the ringers, notifications,

Tim Winders: 01:01:55

all this stuff that they want.

Tim Winders: 01:01:57

I don't have any sounds come from my phone because when I sit with someone like we're

Tim Winders: 01:02:02

doing here, I want to be focused on Ron.

Tim Winders: 01:02:04

When I sit with my wife, I need to be focused on my wife.

Tim Winders: 01:02:07

all right, new path, new you tell us about it and what's going on.

Ron Cool: 01:02:10

it's, it started off as a podcast.

Ron Cool: 01:02:12

it's, it's to help men on a spiritual journey and what

Ron Cool: 01:02:16

I've learned about podcasting.

Ron Cool: 01:02:17

You know, here's the journey you were on.

Ron Cool: 01:02:19

You're reaching down and helping this person down here on the same journey.

Ron Cool: 01:02:23

And that's what that, that's what it's about.

Ron Cool: 01:02:25

It's, it's a, it's a real raw journey.

Ron Cool: 01:02:28

I don't even use my microphone.

Ron Cool: 01:02:30

It's funny.

Ron Cool: 01:02:31

Cause everyone's like, why aren't you using your mic?

Ron Cool: 01:02:32

I was like, cause I just want it to be real.

Ron Cool: 01:02:34

Like I'm just talking in my phone sometimes.

Ron Cool: 01:02:36

it's, it's 15, 20 minutes.

Ron Cool: 01:02:38

They're quick bites.

Ron Cool: 01:02:39

I have some cool guests on it.

Ron Cool: 01:02:41

Um, and it's just.

Ron Cool: 01:02:43

Really, whatever God puts on my heart, that's it.

Ron Cool: 01:02:47

And that's what that's about.

Ron Cool: 01:02:49

Now it's transitioning a little bit where, God was really telling me,

Ron Cool: 01:02:55

step out, step out of the boat, right?

Ron Cool: 01:02:58

And, and maybe get into helping people launch podcasts that are

Ron Cool: 01:03:03

Christians, really focus on that.

Ron Cool: 01:03:05

So I started focusing on men because that was my thing.

Ron Cool: 01:03:11

And ironically, God's funny.

Ron Cool: 01:03:14

God is funny.

Ron Cool: 01:03:15

He gives me.

Ron Cool: 01:03:17

Women, right?

Ron Cool: 01:03:19

It's, it's crazy.

Ron Cool: 01:03:20

There was this, there's these two women that it's like, Hey, I've

Ron Cool: 01:03:23

been talking to her for a while.

Ron Cool: 01:03:24

She goes, my shirt.

Ron Cool: 01:03:25

She goes, I want to start a podcast.

Ron Cool: 01:03:27

It's called the mind table talk.

Ron Cool: 01:03:29

They, I helped her launch.

Ron Cool: 01:03:30

They hit number one.

Ron Cool: 01:03:31

They've been number one for a week and a half.

Ron Cool: 01:03:33

They were, it's amazing.

Ron Cool: 01:03:35

We launched her book career, like doing a lot of cool things.

Ron Cool: 01:03:38

Then I get, I redo my website around helping men.

Ron Cool: 01:03:44

It's literally helping men and I have this woman reach out to me and she goes, Hey,

Ron Cool: 01:03:49

I was praying and God told me to renew my mind, which is my podcast verse, right?

Ron Cool: 01:03:56

Romans 12 to and I googled top Christian coach and you came up.

Ron Cool: 01:04:06

So I would like you to coach me.

Ron Cool: 01:04:08

I was like, let's, let's talk because that's super interesting.

Ron Cool: 01:04:11

And we were talking and I was like, what do you want to do?

Ron Cool: 01:04:14

Yeah.

Ron Cool: 01:04:15

And she has an amazing story.

Ron Cool: 01:04:17

And I was like, wow, Lord, am I supposed to just help anybody that's Christian?

Ron Cool: 01:04:22

I, I don't understand.

Ron Cool: 01:04:23

But then looking back at my clientele from before, guess what?

Ron Cool: 01:04:29

Most of them were Christian women.

Ron Cool: 01:04:32

So now it's okay, I'm just going to really just, however, to help get God's

Ron Cool: 01:04:37

message out, that's what I'm focused on,

Tim Winders: 01:04:41

one quick thing there.

Tim Winders: 01:04:42

We'll say this and then move along.

Tim Winders: 01:04:44

Women are willing to ask for, for help.

Tim Winders: 01:04:47

Most men won't ask for, I mean, it could be that.

Ron Cool: 01:04:50

That's true.

Ron Cool: 01:04:52

That is so funny.

Ron Cool: 01:04:53

Yeah, no.

Ron Cool: 01:04:53

I, I just relaunched my website.

Ron Cool: 01:04:55

I just got season three going for a new path.

Ron Cool: 01:04:57

New you, and it's, it's funny because I'm getting a lot of people that show

Ron Cool: 01:05:04

took off faster than my other show and I didn't expect that, you know?

Ron Cool: 01:05:13

and it's interesting because it's a vulnerable show and, I share my story.

Ron Cool: 01:05:20

I share my testimony in that.

Ron Cool: 01:05:22

I shared my struggles.

Ron Cool: 01:05:24

And it's just kind of like how I look at it is like when I'm not

Ron Cool: 01:05:29

around, my kids can listen to that and go, that's who dad was.

Ron Cool: 01:05:34

That's who dad was.

Ron Cool: 01:05:35

That's what I want it to be.

Ron Cool: 01:05:36

And, and I know, because God is amazing.

Ron Cool: 01:05:40

It will hit people and help people.

Ron Cool: 01:05:44

because that's what testimonies do.

Ron Cool: 01:05:48

And the hard, you have to have the hard, you have to have the, the storm

Ron Cool: 01:05:52

or your testimony is not as cool.

Ron Cool: 01:05:55

It's not as relatable.

Ron Cool: 01:05:56

Right.

Tim Winders: 01:05:58

Yeah, that's good.

Tim Winders: 01:05:59

Ron, tell everybody where they can find anything else.

Tim Winders: 01:06:03

I know, we can probably guess the domain that you were able to get, but

Tim Winders: 01:06:07

go ahead and give it here just for those folks that might be cruising around.

Tim Winders: 01:06:10

And then, and then what we're going to recommend is people maybe jump

Tim Winders: 01:06:13

over there right when they leave here, if they're on the podcast platform.

Tim Winders: 01:06:17

And so where all can they find you if someone needs

Tim Winders: 01:06:20

Ron, where do they need to go?

Ron Cool: 01:06:22

new path.

Ron Cool: 01:06:23

New you.

Ron Cool: 01:06:23

com.

Ron Cool: 01:06:23

I mean, that's the easiest one.

Ron Cool: 01:06:25

I love Instagram.

Ron Cool: 01:06:26

it's our cool junior.

Ron Cool: 01:06:28

Um, but it's, it's a different story.

Ron Cool: 01:06:31

So probably my, my website cause God's actually having me possibly closed down

Ron Cool: 01:06:36

my Instagram and that's really hard.

Tim Winders: 01:06:41

Whew, that's a whole nother topic for another day, this

Tim Winders: 01:06:43

social media, because, because you mentioned micro content and that's

Tim Winders: 01:06:48

where all that stuff lives on

Ron Cool: 01:06:50

No.

Tim Winders: 01:06:52

Instagrams and stuff.

Tim Winders: 01:06:53

So anyway, we're going to pause that because that's

Tim Winders: 01:06:55

probably a long conversation

Tim Winders: 01:06:57

and I'm going to wrap, I'm going to wrap up with, with my

Tim Winders: 01:07:00

question that I summarized with.

Tim Winders: 01:07:02

We're Go create those three words.

Tim Winders: 01:07:06

We mashed together for our podcast.

Tim Winders: 01:07:08

You can only choose one.

Tim Winders: 01:07:10

I'm either going to allow you or force you to only choose one.

Tim Winders: 01:07:12

Which word do you choose that resonates or whatever?

Tim Winders: 01:07:14

Don't, don't overthink it.

Tim Winders: 01:07:15

And why?

Ron Cool: 01:07:17

Seek.

Ron Cool: 01:07:18

Seek.

Ron Cool: 01:07:19

Seek the kingdom of God first.

Ron Cool: 01:07:21

Right.

Ron Cool: 01:07:22

And you have it first in your title.

Ron Cool: 01:07:24

And I don't think that's on accident.

Ron Cool: 01:07:26

and, and seek because if you seek God first, everything else falls in line.

Ron Cool: 01:07:34

if your relationship, the vertical relationship is right, all the, all

Ron Cool: 01:07:38

these other relationships are good.

Ron Cool: 01:07:42

So seek.

Tim Winders: 01:07:44

Amen.

Tim Winders: 01:07:44

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 01:07:44

There's a reason it's first and that Matthew 6 33 is a foundational

Tim Winders: 01:07:48

scripture for my journey.

Tim Winders: 01:07:51

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