Unlocking the Power of Authentic Communication with Greta Muller

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I could justify that away, driving in a blackout

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of not even being conscious.

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I could have hit somebody and I was not drinking.

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There was no drinking involved.

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And that's when I did, I am a very spiritual person and I said,

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God, I am too young to live the rest of my life unconscious.

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I wanna live a conscious, I wanna feel my life.

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Hello everyone.

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Welcome to Seek Go Create.

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This is your host, Tim Winders.

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We've gotta have a great conversation today about how to be a better

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communicator, primarily from stage and in front of cameras and things like that.

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But I think a lot of it's gonna relate to everyday communication,

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so I'm excited about that.

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Our guest has written a book about it and she is a pro, no doubt about it.

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Just wanna remind you, I'm Tim Winds, your host here.

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I'm an executive coach.

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I work with leaders and leadership teams, also an author, and

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I'm excited to be here today.

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I'm bundled up.

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Woke up this spring day in the RV visiting our grandkids, and there was

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four inches of snow on the ground.

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So little bit chilly here.

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I might be bouncing a little bit.

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My toes are a little bit chilled, but, I'm gonna tough it out for you, the audience.

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As the host here at Seat Go Create today we have Greta Mueller as our guest.

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She's a seasoned speaker coach with over 24 years of experience in empowering

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professionals and non-professionals.

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Through her unique methodology developed from her extensive career, and she's

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got quite the resume as an actor, spokeswoman, and talent coach for

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television, news and sports anchors.

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Greta, welcome to Seek, go Create.

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Thank you, Tim.

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My pleasure to be here.

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I'm glad you're here too.

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I'm excited to find out a little bit more about, how you work

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with people that, are on the tv.

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That's exciting.

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I read some of that in your book and all that, and she does have this book that

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I just finished opening your presence.

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but we'll talk about that in just a moment.

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But, first Greta, we just bump into each other somewhere, or we just meet

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on Zoom, or we're at a conference or something, and I ask you what you do.

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What do you typically tell people?

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My mission is to encourage and nurture creatively as, best I can.

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People's individuality, their authenticity, remove any barriers they

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have between them and their audience.

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I always say audience, although that could be one person, it could

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be a professional situation, or it could be that you are asking your

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spouse to unload the dishwasher.

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how do you do it most authentically and, personally for you?

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if it's me getting asked to unload the dishwasher, it's yes

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dear, whatever you need me to do.

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And I'm the official dishwasher.

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And the unfortunate thing is we do not have a dishwasher, or as

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my wife says, I am the dishwasher.

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It's my husband, Tim.

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So anyway, there's not a dishwasher in the RV here.

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that's really good.

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I love how you tied that all together, because I wanna make sure people

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listening in this, we're gonna have some conversation for people that

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might be what I'll call stage people.

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the people that are gonna be in front, their call to make

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presentations, things like that.

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But the thing I loved about the book is I just saw all types of

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communications skills and interaction.

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And there's, and there's one other thing.

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in fact, I wanna jump in on this first.

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Okay.

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It's been a long time, and I'm like a product of

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the seventies, eighties, nineties.

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It's been a long time since I've seen someone have some

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discussion about clothing.

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What you wear, how you present the book is presence, but how you

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present yourself in front of people.

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And so I'm, I'm real curious, maybe it's because of the television aspect and all,

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but why did you tie that in appearance?

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Because there's a lot of people that they would like to tell us

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that none of that matters anymore.

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And I don't agree with it.

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But tell why'd you bring all that into the, to the book.

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The truth is it does matter.

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Our criteria has changed in this day and age.

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However, the visual is the strongest impression you'll make.

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It is the longest lasting impression you make.

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If the visual of a message is in disagreement with the audio,

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people will go with the visual.

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If you seem confused, I said, seem, you appear confused,

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doubtful, angry, frustrated.

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if that's how that is coming across, and yet you're speaking about confidence

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and courage, the people are gonna doubt the message and go with the visual.

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And so appearance is the strongest message we send.

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And so it's not about looking beautiful, looking like a fashion model.

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It is looking appropriate for the situation.

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And I believe in this instance, appropriate means respectful.

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You are respecting the guidelines.

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I would not walk into someone's, funeral looking like I was just washing the car.

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No more than people who would walk into the all you can eat

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barbecue place with peanuts on the floor, dressed in an evening gown.

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People are going to stare.

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And so how we dress is the first step we take to prepare ourselves

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for what is in front of us.

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You know, the fascinating thing about that, and I, and I love,

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starting with this little bit of a conversation because I, again, I

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haven't just heard a lot of people talk about this recently, and I do,

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and I don't know if I'm old school.

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I do think it's important.

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I mean, I still remember reading in the early nineties, dress for Success

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I was in business and speaking and with leadership.

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I actually taught, how to speak in front of folks for corporate

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people and things like that myself.

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We'll have some fun with that in a little bit, but I remember feeling

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pretty darn important when I would put on that tie and suit and all that.

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now I'm of the age where I, I'm for I fortunately or unfortunately just

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Don't care as much.

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And some people might be sort of like me, but, I like having the conversation,

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Greta, because I think some people show up and they wonder why things

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don't go well right from the start.

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As much as we would love to say, thou shall not judge.

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We all judge.

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Correct.

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And it doesn't necessarily mean judge in a negatively manner.

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Oh, you're a horrible person.

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But they judge, make an assessment based on what they see, which is why in the

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book there are five A's that you prepare for appearance being the first one, being

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mindful of your actions, the way you, use your hands, your body, et cetera.

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Audio, what you say, attitude, how you feel about it.

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All of that should be geared towards the audience.

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Here's the deal.

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If you're the one selling something could be an idea.

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I want my spouse to load the dishwasher.

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It's a concept.

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Doesn't have to be a product.

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You're kind of selling something.

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How hard do you wanna make them work?

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To buy whatever it is you're selling, so you're gonna gear your delivery to

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that person, however, you never lie.

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So I'm, I would never say, oh, you have to say X, Y, Z or act like this

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because you're addressing this person.

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But you do wanna show respect and concern for that person.

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And so finding within yourself a real, a genuine part of your personality that can

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gear yourself to that person is a very appropriate, in my opinion, way of acting.

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I'll tell you my line of thought and you can chime in

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and tell me if, how this works out.

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I always wanted to be relatable.

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That's a weird word, but, and when I was doing business stuff, I always

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wanted to be, this was when I was younger again, when I'm older, I

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have a little bit less of a care.

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I think people can conform to me Now, that's not a good thing.

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Well, you could address that later if you need to.

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for example, if I was around a group of, let's just call it blue collars that

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were primarily in t-shirts and jeans, I wouldn't walk in with my three piece suit.

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I would want to be maybe one notch above them.

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Maybe a collared shirt, maybe a collared golf type shirt.

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if I was around people in casual type business attire, I might wear

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a dress shirt with a little bit of press to it starch back then.

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I don't like starch now.

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And then if I was around people in dress shirts or something,

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I'd probably put a tie on.

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I can't remember when I've had a tie on, but, how's that for a rule of thumb?

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and you know what, it's sometimes different for men than women,

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but, that's what I tried to do.

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How, what does that sound like?

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One thing that you said that really resonates with me is the one step

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above, if you're the person, performing, let's say you're speaking, you're selling,

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that one step above, you're not trying to overdo it and you know you're bringing

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out your three piece suit with the tie.

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If you're speaking to, let's say a group of farmers, I think you had turned them

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off immediately because it's, it again, does it come from a genuine place?

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Are you trying to impress or are you trying to relate?

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I love the word relatable because I agree.

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However that one step above is exactly right.

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Hmm.

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you mentioned I travel to television stations, so I travel a lot.

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I am often in a taxi.

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I ask the taxi driver quite often, do you watch television news?

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Who's your favorite sportscaster, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

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Hey, this is a taxi driver.

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Depending on where I'm in.

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Hey, I'm sh Chicago.

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They're gonna tell me who their guy is.

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I don't care who that taxi driver is, man, woman.

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It is amazing to me how often they comment on how they dress.

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Well, I love that guy's.

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Ties isn't the best ties.

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This man is not wearing a tie.

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However, they're relating to that person, even if it's, oh, he's so important.

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He travels around and he meets these important people.

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So of course he dresses like that.

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the number one comment in, social media or texts, emails that

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anchors get, are on their wardrobe.

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it's a fact.

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Interesting.

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I want to go there in a little while cuz I want to know a little

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bit of behind the curtain in these newsrooms and things like that because

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I think that'll be fascinating.

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But I wanna get to know Greta a little bit more here and find out

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how you came to be who you are.

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Have you always been one that gravitated towards a speaker or getting up in

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front of people and, and sharing?

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I read where you come from, a family of storytellers.

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So tell us a little bit about Greta.

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The early years

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Well, let's just say I was not a shy child.

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really, I'm shocked.

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Uh, shocking.

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But I, I didn't put two and two together for a very, very long time.

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I, was the star of the third grade play because I played the

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angel in the Christmas scene who appears low and behold.

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I bring you tidings of great joy.

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And my teacher said, come with me.

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And she brought me around to the other classrooms of our age and

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she said, do that speech for them.

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And I didn't understand, oh, I'm good at this.

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I'm a good performer.

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She's doing this because, but in high school, yes, I gravitated toward the

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speech department communications, speech tournaments, and we would perform.

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And then it was time to go to college.

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And I had two wonderful parents who did not go to college.

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They were unable to really help me in that area.

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My teacher kept me after school and she said, okay, gre, it's time for college.

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What, what are you gonna do?

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And I said, I'm gonna be a teacher.

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I'm gonna be an English teacher like her.

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She was my favorite teacher.

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She was like, uh, not just, no, no.

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And.

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She said, Greta, you're gonna study theater and you're gonna be an

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actress because I see it in you.

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I think you have it.

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And on her advice, I changed my whole college plan, majored in theater.

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And at the age of 18, I was noticed by Paramount Studios.

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My picture was in the New Orleans paper.

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I was called in to audition for a movie called Pretty Baby with Susan Sarandon

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and her name just Brook Shields.

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And I got the part and I meet the director.

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I'm 18 years old.

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I never dreamed this would be my life, yada, yada, yada.

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And it's, oh, and by the way, you have to do a nude scene.

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Is that a problem?

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I was like, oh, it, it's a problem.

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I was 18.

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I said, it's, it's legal.

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I, I said, but I can't do that.

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My mom and dad are gonna see this show.

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And a lot of other people probably.

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Oh my gosh.

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Anyway, I fell, it's almost like everything in my life I sort of

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fell into it, but I said, yes, I'll try it, except for that one.

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I said, no.

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So that's kind of how I got into it.

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And instead of going into theater, I got into television and, I, I loved it and I

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did commercials, all kinds of great stuff.

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And then right around the time I was 38, turning 40 a woman's career changes.

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It just does, you're too old to play this.

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You're too young to play that.

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My career was changing and my phone rang and it was this broadcast coaching

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company saying I had been recommended.

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Would I consider coaching broadcast news, weather, and sports?

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I didn't even know it was a job.

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I was like, did these people not know what they're doing already?

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But the truth of the matter is they do.

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It's the objectivity they lack.

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Once they've been on the news or whether sports for a long time, how

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do they stay at the top of their game?

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How do they maintain that edge when it's the most natural

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thing in the world to them?

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Same thing.

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They're brand new, they're outta school.

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They've got their first on-air job.

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Everything

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feels horrible, weird.

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Out of the bo, you know, they need coaching to help

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them navigate those waters.

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And I'm just very, very fortunate.

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I said, yes, I interviewed, I got the job.

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And I loved it because now I was the teacher I always wanted to be.

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And I could combine my experience as a performer reading teleprompter.

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With the love of teaching and mentoring people, which is how I see myself more as

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a mentor, trusted advisor than a coach.

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Yeah, I, I love the coach thing.

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That's what I am.

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And I always wanted to be a teacher and a coach growing up, similar to

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your English teacher telling you.

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And I had a conversation with my parents and found out how much money they made.

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I went, Ooh, I don't think I wanna do that.

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I wanna do something else.

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But everything in my life, I migrated back to teacher,

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coach, trainer things like that.

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I'm guessing a lot of people have never even thought that the people

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that are behind or in front of the cameras doing the news in

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the evening and all have coaches.

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I think th this is the perception.

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I think a lot of 'em think, and I'm gonna mention this, it'll sound a little bit

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snarky, but you can help me out here.

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I think a lot of people think it's just people that look really, really good.

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That can read well.

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And that's what I'm trying to coach against.

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Ah, okay.

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I think we can all do a pretty fair, imitation of an anchor.

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they have a certain read, I think that's changed in recent years,

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but there's still that forced, they punch a weird word that's unnatural.

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It's not quite the word you would normally do in conversation.

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And so there's a lot of imitating going on.

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But especially now, there is more of the emphasis on talking, being more relatable,

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conversational, how to get rid of that false anchor, read and talk to people.

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And, I've been, I, I've been doing this a long time.

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I've been trying to do that for 30 years of trying to get people to let go of some

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of that and become more conversational.

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I think one of the things for, we travel quite a bit, and so if

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there are people that are listening in and they live in Atlanta or New York

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or LA they probably watch, if they watch their local news, they probably

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watch some people that are, let's just say, pretty high up in the skillset

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and abilities and things like that.

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the larger major markets.

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But we travel to a lot of the smaller markets, and we're not gonna name

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any names right here, but I see some people that are at the, let's just call

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it the lower echelons of local news.

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And you see some interesting stuff.

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What, who all, what type people, what stations, and you don't

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have to give exact, but what type station are you working with?

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The big ones, the mid, the, the lower.

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All of those.

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Who all are you working with in that area?

Greta Muller: 00:18:33

All of the above.

Greta Muller: 00:18:34

I actually have two top 10 markets right now.

Greta Muller: 00:18:37

yesterday I was on a, network assignment, so I was at the network level.

Greta Muller: 00:18:43

I actually love coaching the small, small markets.

Greta Muller: 00:18:47

They're eager, they want to learn.

Greta Muller: 00:18:50

They're fresh out of school.

Greta Muller: 00:18:52

They're just trying to learn.

Greta Muller: 00:18:54

They eat it up.

Greta Muller: 00:18:56

It's harder at a network level or, definitely a top 10 market.

Greta Muller: 00:19:01

They're at the top of their game and so you spend time developing trust.

Greta Muller: 00:19:08

I'm not here to change you.

Greta Muller: 00:19:10

I'm not here to fix you because you're so awful.

Greta Muller: 00:19:13

You wouldn't be here if you were awful.

Greta Muller: 00:19:15

And, there's a lot of mistrust, I guess, because they didn't hire me.

Greta Muller: 00:19:20

That individual didn't hire me.

Greta Muller: 00:19:23

Their boss did, or the network hired me.

Greta Muller: 00:19:27

And so when the individual hires me, they're having trouble with an issue, they

Greta Muller: 00:19:33

come and find me and they're all ears.

Greta Muller: 00:19:36

I mean, they're ready to learn.

Greta Muller: 00:19:37

If you're just assigned to somebody, that is a great deal of my job.

Greta Muller: 00:19:43

And so I always say, I'm not gonna try to tell you how to be an anchor.

Greta Muller: 00:19:47

I don't know how to be an anchor.

Greta Muller: 00:19:48

I played one on tv, but I don't know how to do the real job.

Greta Muller: 00:19:52

But I do know a camera, I do know teleprompter.

Greta Muller: 00:19:56

I know audience.

Greta Muller: 00:19:58

I've learned a lot since I've been in the business.

Greta Muller: 00:20:00

and what you are doing is developing a relationship, which is true

Greta Muller: 00:20:05

in any, coaching, a c e O or coaching a mid-level, manager.

Greta Muller: 00:20:11

You have an audience and you are trying to develop a

Greta Muller: 00:20:14

relationship, not talk at people.

Tim Winders: 00:20:18

I think that's the value that we all have, and I think everyone needs

Tim Winders: 00:20:22

to improve on this skill, the ability to relate and interact with other people.

Tim Winders: 00:20:25

I just had a thought that came to mind and I do not watch a lot of television, when I

Tim Winders: 00:20:31

see it, it's just glimpses here or there.

Tim Winders: 00:20:33

But I was recently in Atlanta, we were visiting my wife's mother

Tim Winders: 00:20:38

and trying to do some, tending to some health issues she had.

Tim Winders: 00:20:42

And in her building downstairs, in the mornings, they had coffee and they

Tim Winders: 00:20:46

had the, this is gonna date myself.

Tim Winders: 00:20:49

It's not Regis and Kathy Lee anymore.

Tim Winders: 00:20:51

It's Kelly and it was, Ryan was on it, but I think he was about to be leaving.

Greta Muller: 00:20:56

And her husband's on it now.

Tim Winders: 00:20:58

Yeah, he's the one that came.

Tim Winders: 00:20:59

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:20:59

I haven't seen him, but I was watching and I don't even think the sound was fully

Tim Winders: 00:21:05

on, Greta, but it was fascinating to me.

Tim Winders: 00:21:09

I we're gonna talk about some of your as here in a little while, body language

Tim Winders: 00:21:12

and appearance and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:21:14

I was just watching their body language and I'm sure that they had

Tim Winders: 00:21:19

some form of either a teleprompter or a script or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:21:22

However, it was so relaxing.

Tim Winders: 00:21:25

I felt as if.

Tim Winders: 00:21:27

And this is probably why they're so successful at what they do.

Tim Winders: 00:21:30

I felt as if I was sitting there having coffee with them, they had

Tim Winders: 00:21:34

their little mugs, their, whatever the show is and all of that kind of stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:21:38

and I've wondered are I think they're doing more of that even with

Tim Winders: 00:21:43

the broadcast news, attempting to have more conversational, but yet

Tim Winders: 00:21:48

it's still scripted, teleprompted.

Tim Winders: 00:21:49

And maybe you could give us a, behind the scenes, how much are they reading

Tim Winders: 00:21:54

off teleprompters and how much are they going at just having conversations?

Tim Winders: 00:21:58

Is that something that, is that even the right question?

Greta Muller: 00:22:01

I understand exactly what you're saying.

Greta Muller: 00:22:03

I wish there was an answer.

Greta Muller: 00:22:05

It is.

Greta Muller: 00:22:05

the answer to it is as varied as there are markets.

Greta Muller: 00:22:10

the news in Little Rock, Arkansas, which is, top 30 market, I think, is quite

Greta Muller: 00:22:17

different than what you're gonna find.

Greta Muller: 00:22:19

Chicago, Philadelphia, Rhode Island, going up the East Coast, San Francisco.

Greta Muller: 00:22:25

What is the style and energy?

Greta Muller: 00:22:28

Is it your hometown news team or is it where news comes first?

Greta Muller: 00:22:34

We are your news source.

Greta Muller: 00:22:35

Ba ba, ba ba.

Greta Muller: 00:22:37

Hit it, hit it, hit it.

Greta Muller: 00:22:38

Short, short, short video out.

Greta Muller: 00:22:40

You know, or do we let them take time telling a story?

Greta Muller: 00:22:46

Do you ever watch, c b s Sunday Morning, that program, c b s, Sunday Morning?

Tim Winders: 00:22:51

It, it, it's been a long time.

Tim Winders: 00:22:52

Was that the old one with, this is gonna date myself bad Charles Caral and

Greta Muller: 00:22:56

Charles Carralt.

Greta Muller: 00:22:57

Yes it is.

Tim Winders: 00:22:57

That was probably years ago, right?

Greta Muller: 00:23:00

it's a c b s news product.

Greta Muller: 00:23:03

However, every story is allowed, 7, 10, 15 minutes to evolve.

Greta Muller: 00:23:10

And on a local news program, you have 30 seconds.

Greta Muller: 00:23:14

You better hit it, get in there and get out.

Greta Muller: 00:23:17

what you're saying or what you're asking about, it depends on the type

Greta Muller: 00:23:22

of, is it five o'clock or 10 o'clock?

Greta Muller: 00:23:24

Is it six o'clock or 11?

Greta Muller: 00:23:26

It depends on the newscast, who the audience is at that time.

Greta Muller: 00:23:30

Mornings or more conversational for sure.

Greta Muller: 00:23:33

but there is no one set answer.

Greta Muller: 00:23:35

So part of my job is going in and saying, you tell me what's the style, what's the

Greta Muller: 00:23:41

culture and the feel, the personality.

Tim Winders: 00:23:44

And if there's three or four of the networks that are in that

Tim Winders: 00:23:47

market, each one of them may have something that separates them out.

Tim Winders: 00:23:52

Some of it might be a little more folksy, homey, and, some of it might be a little

Tim Winders: 00:23:56

more professional, fast hitting it.

Tim Winders: 00:23:58

So anyway, that's good to know.

Tim Winders: 00:23:59

But before we go too much farther, and we're gonna go into some

Tim Winders: 00:24:02

things related to the book.

Tim Winders: 00:24:03

I've got some highlights and things that I wanna cover.

Tim Winders: 00:24:06

one of our taglines here at Seek Go Create Greta, is redefining success and we leave

Tim Winders: 00:24:13

it fairly broad in, leadership or business or ministry or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:24:17

One of the things that I'd like to do before we get too much farther and

Tim Winders: 00:24:20

that we were going over your story and got off onto the, the news and things

Tim Winders: 00:24:24

like that, I would like to know a time back kinda looking back in your life

Tim Winders: 00:24:31

that you've gone through either a jolt or a catalytic event or something.

Tim Winders: 00:24:37

It sounds like it could have been at that 38, 40 years old, which probably just a

Tim Winders: 00:24:41

couple years ago for you, I'm guessing.

Tim Winders: 00:24:43

But something that forced you to redefine success.

Tim Winders: 00:24:48

and I also read a little bit of your background.

Tim Winders: 00:24:50

I know you had some, we don't shy away from really challenging

Tim Winders: 00:24:53

things too here on the show.

Tim Winders: 00:24:55

is there a, something you could think of that you could share with myself and

Tim Winders: 00:24:59

the audience that you had to redefine what success looked like to you?

Tim Winders: 00:25:04

You thought it was one thing, you went through something or decided to make a

Tim Winders: 00:25:08

change and then found out it was this.

Tim Winders: 00:25:10

So redefining success.

Tim Winders: 00:25:12

Share something related to that before we dive into the book.

Tim Winders: 00:25:15

A little bit more.

Greta Muller: 00:25:18

For me, someone who, I was always encouraged to work, go to

Greta Muller: 00:25:23

college, even from the south, where many, women were just go marry somebody.

Greta Muller: 00:25:30

Just make sure he makes a good living

Tim Winders: 00:25:32

Taken care of, they were well taken care of.

Greta Muller: 00:25:35

Well taken care of.

Greta Muller: 00:25:37

I remember I was very young, six, seven years old, and I'd said to my mom, I

Greta Muller: 00:25:43

said, I don't think I want children.

Greta Muller: 00:25:45

And she said, well, then honey don't have 'em.

Greta Muller: 00:25:48

And I don't know why I even came up with that.

Greta Muller: 00:25:51

I mean, I'm six years old, what do I know about it?

Greta Muller: 00:25:54

But it turned out to be a very consistent theme for me that

Greta Muller: 00:25:57

I was more of a career person.

Greta Muller: 00:26:00

So that career meant, I was top of my field.

Greta Muller: 00:26:04

I was well respected, I was making a good living.

Greta Muller: 00:26:07

I owned my own home, drove a nice car, et cetera, et cetera.

Greta Muller: 00:26:11

Well, I had all of those things.

Greta Muller: 00:26:15

And to do that, I had to be on the road, traveling away from home

Greta Muller: 00:26:20

by myself, over 200 days a year.

Greta Muller: 00:26:26

And in all of that, and I'll date myself, this goes back to the nineties,

Greta Muller: 00:26:31

we traveled with big heavy briefcases cuz it was filled with videotapes

Greta Muller: 00:26:37

and my computer and all this stuff.

Greta Muller: 00:26:40

And my shoulder had been killing me and killing me.

Greta Muller: 00:26:44

And I swung that big old thing and I heard a crack.

Greta Muller: 00:26:51

And I have never been in so much pain in my life.

Greta Muller: 00:26:55

I had broken my neck and I didn't even know it.

Greta Muller: 00:26:59

It was a Friday afternoon.

Greta Muller: 00:27:01

I was headed back to Dallas and I had to get through the weekend.

Greta Muller: 00:27:05

And by the time I got to Monday, I was almost hysterical because.

Greta Muller: 00:27:09

Silly me go to an emergency room.

Greta Muller: 00:27:12

oh, I don't wanna bother anybody.

Greta Muller: 00:27:14

I plugged through.

Greta Muller: 00:27:15

Plugged through.

Greta Muller: 00:27:16

I went to see my doctor.

Greta Muller: 00:27:17

She slapped a neck brace on me and she said, I think you broke your neck.

Greta Muller: 00:27:21

And I'm like, please, that kills you.

Greta Muller: 00:27:24

She said, not necessarily.

Greta Muller: 00:27:26

So if this is the vertebrae, in your neck between the fifth and

Greta Muller: 00:27:29

sixth it popped, cracked this bone.

Greta Muller: 00:27:34

I had to have eight hour neck surgery.

Greta Muller: 00:27:37

They replaced it.

Greta Muller: 00:27:39

Do you want cadaver or plastic?

Greta Muller: 00:27:41

And I took a cadaver and I have a rod in my neck.

Greta Muller: 00:27:46

And in that moment of six weeks flat on my back in this thing, I rethought my

Greta Muller: 00:27:54

life and I realized I love what I did.

Greta Muller: 00:27:57

I did not like the way it was going.

Greta Muller: 00:28:00

Why do I have to travel?

Greta Muller: 00:28:02

230 days a year how do I make a living without all this travel?

Greta Muller: 00:28:08

And I went to my company and I said, I would like to open the New York office

Greta Muller: 00:28:14

of our company, because all of my clients were on the upper East Coast.

Greta Muller: 00:28:19

I was told, no, it's a Texas company.

Greta Muller: 00:28:22

It's Texas based.

Greta Muller: 00:28:23

Everybody lives here.

Greta Muller: 00:28:24

And I said, great.

Greta Muller: 00:28:26

I understand.

Greta Muller: 00:28:27

And I tendered my resignation and we had a six month window.

Greta Muller: 00:28:32

you had to give six months notice.

Greta Muller: 00:28:36

I was the first person that did not get escorted to the door when

Greta Muller: 00:28:40

they quit because I was actually booked four months in advance.

Greta Muller: 00:28:45

So what were they gonna do?

Greta Muller: 00:28:47

And so I moved to New York.

Greta Muller: 00:28:50

I changed my life completely without a job And I had a non-compete for two years,

Greta Muller: 00:28:56

so I couldn't keep coaching broadcast people and I had to reinvent myself.

Greta Muller: 00:29:02

And that was the big change for me.

Greta Muller: 00:29:04

So breaking your neck will do all kinds of things to you?

Tim Winders: 00:29:09

Have you ever thought about what would happen had you

Tim Winders: 00:29:11

not broken your neck, would you still be traveling 200 days a year?

Tim Winders: 00:29:14

Would you continue doing that.

Greta Muller: 00:29:16

No, I think I would've broken because I had

Greta Muller: 00:29:19

been saying, I'm at my end.

Greta Muller: 00:29:21

I, I can't keep doing this, I can't keep doing this.

Greta Muller: 00:29:23

And actually, do you know, the thing that actually got me is I, I was all healed.

Greta Muller: 00:29:29

I'm back at work, I'm traveling, I'm doing my thing.

Greta Muller: 00:29:32

And, I drove to the grocery store.

Greta Muller: 00:29:35

And the grocery store was three minutes from my condo and I had a little back way

Greta Muller: 00:29:39

to get there, got my car, drove there, parked the car, lock it, I'm, I'm walking.

Greta Muller: 00:29:43

And all of a sudden I stopped in my tracks.

Greta Muller: 00:29:46

I did not remember driving there.

Greta Muller: 00:29:49

I drove in a blackout.

Greta Muller: 00:29:51

I had done it so many times, I could have done it with my eyes closed.

Greta Muller: 00:29:55

And I did.

Greta Muller: 00:29:58

That scared me more than the broken neck because the broken neck was an accident.

Greta Muller: 00:30:03

Could have happened to anyone carrying heavy things.

Greta Muller: 00:30:07

I could justify that away, driving in a blackout of not even being conscious.

Greta Muller: 00:30:14

I could have hit somebody and I was not drinking.

Greta Muller: 00:30:16

There was no drinking involved.

Greta Muller: 00:30:19

And that's when I did, I am a very spiritual person and I said,

Greta Muller: 00:30:23

God, I am too young to live the rest of my life unconscious.

Greta Muller: 00:30:28

I wanna live a conscious, I wanna feel my life.

Greta Muller: 00:30:33

I wanna see the sunshine.

Greta Muller: 00:30:35

I wanna know the birds are chirping.

Greta Muller: 00:30:37

I want to feel my life.

Greta Muller: 00:30:40

And that's what did it.

Greta Muller: 00:30:41

And that was the day I went and spoke to my boss and said I had to leave.

Tim Winders: 00:30:45

the reason that's so cool and not cool at the same time is

Tim Winders: 00:30:49

because we all know how many people are walking around unconscious.

Tim Winders: 00:30:55

Literally.

Tim Winders: 00:30:56

and I'm sure with the work you do, you go in and out of a potentially

Tim Winders: 00:31:00

high pressure, situations where people are working and they are probably in

Tim Winders: 00:31:06

that mode where they are going through the process, working their way up.

Tim Winders: 00:31:10

I look back and I was the same way.

Tim Winders: 00:31:12

I was go, go, go, my adrenal glands were probably almost, totally tapped out.

Tim Winders: 00:31:18

I didn't know it because we could always muster up more, right?

Tim Winders: 00:31:21

we could always do more.

Tim Winders: 00:31:23

We could always generate some energy and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:31:25

and, we convinced ourselves how important we are and how important

Tim Winders: 00:31:28

it is for us to do what we are doing.

Tim Winders: 00:31:31

Like no one else can do it.

Tim Winders: 00:31:33

And I think God's just going, I need you to slow it down a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:31:36

Well, that's great to know.

Tim Winders: 00:31:38

I hated about the broken neck.

Tim Winders: 00:31:39

It sounds like you're all healed.

Tim Winders: 00:31:40

You're nodding well and everything

Greta Muller: 00:31:42

Oh

Tim Winders: 00:31:42

your mobility good.

Greta Muller: 00:31:45

I have never had one day of trouble.

Greta Muller: 00:31:47

Never.

Tim Winders: 00:31:48

that's miraculous.

Tim Winders: 00:31:49

That's miraculous there, I believe.

Tim Winders: 00:31:51

Hallelujah.

Greta Muller: 00:31:53

Oh, absolutely.

Greta Muller: 00:31:54

and it's so funny, since that day, my prayer consistently is,

Greta Muller: 00:31:59

God, just tap me on the shoulder.

Greta Muller: 00:32:01

I don't need to have my neck broken and to drive the black

Greta Muller: 00:32:05

out, just tap me on the shoulder.

Greta Muller: 00:32:09

But yet, I've never had that kind of awakening again.

Greta Muller: 00:32:13

However, I.

Greta Muller: 00:32:15

I have found myself in a situation where I thought, how in the world did I get here?

Greta Muller: 00:32:20

I know better than this, but I'm grateful now that I have the experience and

Greta Muller: 00:32:25

the age to acknowledge it and stop it.

Greta Muller: 00:32:30

I had a meeting with a potential new client recently, and I knew the first

Greta Muller: 00:32:37

meeting didn't go well and I had to take responsibility for my part, but I was

Greta Muller: 00:32:43

told to prepare for a certain meeting.

Greta Muller: 00:32:47

I showed up prepared for that meeting, and it was a completely different meeting.

Greta Muller: 00:32:52

There were five vice presidents and two, this guy, and asking me questions.

Greta Muller: 00:32:58

I wasn't ready.

Greta Muller: 00:33:00

I had not done my research.

Greta Muller: 00:33:02

and I had to say, I don't know.

Greta Muller: 00:33:04

I don't know.

Greta Muller: 00:33:06

I don't know.

Greta Muller: 00:33:08

And.

Greta Muller: 00:33:10

I'm very fortunate.

Greta Muller: 00:33:11

They gave me the chance for a second meeting, but it got off to a rocky

Greta Muller: 00:33:16

start, and I'm experienced enough to know two things were going on.

Greta Muller: 00:33:21

One, they had a first impression of me and they were being asked to change it.

Greta Muller: 00:33:27

Do you know how hard that is when you meet someone you are

Greta Muller: 00:33:31

sure, well, that's an idiot.

Greta Muller: 00:33:33

She didn't know what she was talking about and now I have to

Greta Muller: 00:33:36

go back and I have to prove I do.

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You

Greta Muller: 00:33:39

just didn't let me prepare for the right meeting.

Greta Muller: 00:33:42

I wasn't asked to the correct meeting, and so I showed up for the correct meeting.

Greta Muller: 00:33:49

But to change an impression, that's very difficult to do.

Greta Muller: 00:33:52

So I just called it and I said, I understand you are being asked to

Greta Muller: 00:33:58

change your opinion from your first opinion, but I do ask that you

Greta Muller: 00:34:03

give me that opportunity, to prove.

Greta Muller: 00:34:07

And then the second thing was they, I did not actually fit the norm

Greta Muller: 00:34:12

of what they were looking for.

Greta Muller: 00:34:15

I'm, again, I'm too old for this.

Greta Muller: 00:34:18

I've been doing this way too long and I have learned to say no.

Greta Muller: 00:34:23

So when they were like, do you even want us as a client?

Greta Muller: 00:34:30

I said, I want you to have the best coach you can have for your company,

Greta Muller: 00:34:37

for your situation, for your culture.

Greta Muller: 00:34:40

If that's not me, I will gracefully accept that and wish you the best

Greta Muller: 00:34:45

and I'll even help you try to find somebody who is your good fit.

Greta Muller: 00:34:50

what I want has nothing to do with it.

Greta Muller: 00:34:52

And I think that shocked them because they're used to people coming in

Greta Muller: 00:34:55

and pitching, and I want this job.

Greta Muller: 00:34:57

And it's a, it was a pretty big job.

Greta Muller: 00:35:00

And as a result, I was given an opportunity to try it.

Greta Muller: 00:35:04

So they did go with it, but we had to really back flip a little

Greta Muller: 00:35:08

bit and, and that's tough, but I'm seasoned enough, I'm okay.

Greta Muller: 00:35:13

If it doesn't go my way, I'm okay if I'm not the coach for it.

Tim Winders: 00:35:17

Yeah, but a lot of that's because of the journey you've been on.

Tim Winders: 00:35:19

I hate to use the word we've failed.

Tim Winders: 00:35:22

That's one of the reasons we, use this term redefining success here,

Tim Winders: 00:35:26

because I, I think this is a guess.

Tim Winders: 00:35:31

For us.

Tim Winders: 00:35:31

But had we had this story of Greta before she broke her neck and, zombie

Tim Winders: 00:35:38

out on her trip to the grocery store.

Tim Winders: 00:35:40

you may have tried to, I'll use some terms and I may be wrong in this.

Tim Winders: 00:35:44

We're speculating, wing it, work your way through it, not step back and admit,

Tim Winders: 00:35:50

because you know what, I, I think a lot of people, they believe that, and, the

Tim Winders: 00:35:56

word authenticity and all that comes in, but I think it's very authentic

Tim Winders: 00:36:00

to admit and very mature to admit.

Tim Winders: 00:36:03

You know what, I messed up, or, uh, this is not the meeting I was

Tim Winders: 00:36:07

planning for, or I, I'm not prepared for what we're discussing here.

Tim Winders: 00:36:11

Can we regroup or do we just need to punt?

Tim Winders: 00:36:14

and I think that's pretty powerful.

Tim Winders: 00:36:16

Do you think that, I don't wanna say younger, but pre Greta, the early years

Tim Winders: 00:36:21

would've, just kept plowing through it.

Tim Winders: 00:36:22

is that part of your journey?

Greta Muller: 00:36:25

absolutely.

Greta Muller: 00:36:26

I've always committed myself to the truth.

Greta Muller: 00:36:29

I will speak the truth.

Greta Muller: 00:36:30

If I don't know, I will say I do not know.

Greta Muller: 00:36:33

however, in my younger days, I probably would've convinced myself I did know

Greta Muller: 00:36:38

the answer and I might have faked it a little bit and tried to get there.

Greta Muller: 00:36:43

But I knew better to say, I really am not prepared for this conversation.

Greta Muller: 00:36:49

I can be prepared.

Greta Muller: 00:36:51

If I know what's coming, but I think there's great power in saying, I

Greta Muller: 00:36:55

don't know, and I have accepted jobs that I knew I shouldn't.

Greta Muller: 00:37:01

it just, something wasn't right and I couldn't put my finger on it,

Greta Muller: 00:37:06

and I got into it and oh my gosh, a again, biggest mistake I ever made.

Greta Muller: 00:37:15

I, I love my clients and part of my pillars, I wanna love them.

Greta Muller: 00:37:21

I wanna love what they do.

Greta Muller: 00:37:23

I wanna feel good about what they do.

Greta Muller: 00:37:25

I don't want to name names, but I got a call to, coach the c e o of, a magazine

Greta Muller: 00:37:33

and I don't know how to describe it.

Greta Muller: 00:37:35

adult Magazine for men featuring a lot of naked women and,

Tim Winders: 00:37:40

Okay.

Greta Muller: 00:37:41

You know what, I, it's just not my job.

Greta Muller: 00:37:44

I, I don't want to help you speak better about that product.

Greta Muller: 00:37:49

And that's just me.

Greta Muller: 00:37:50

And I'm not judging anybody who wants to read it or do it, or

Greta Muller: 00:37:53

there's a coach out there for you.

Greta Muller: 00:37:56

And I didn't have to say all that.

Greta Muller: 00:37:59

I just said, I don't think I'm your coach.

Greta Muller: 00:38:01

I don't think I'm the right person, to do that.

Greta Muller: 00:38:05

but I have taken a job with someone who I thought, I am

Greta Muller: 00:38:10

never gonna please this person.

Greta Muller: 00:38:13

she was a little too demanding to exact.

Greta Muller: 00:38:15

I didn't like the way she treated her team.

Greta Muller: 00:38:18

They seemed a little tense.

Greta Muller: 00:38:20

They didn't seem free to speak up.

Greta Muller: 00:38:22

And yet I thought I could change the world.

Greta Muller: 00:38:24

I'm just gonna go and I'm gonna be so nice.

Greta Muller: 00:38:26

She's gonna love me.

Greta Muller: 00:38:28

And she's go, oh no.

Greta Muller: 00:38:29

She ate me up, spit me out.

Greta Muller: 00:38:33

But a wonderful thing happened.

Greta Muller: 00:38:36

We were at a hotel, cuz I believe in the worst possible circumstances,

Greta Muller: 00:38:42

the most amazing thing can happen.

Greta Muller: 00:38:47

We were in a hotel getting ready for a big show, big conference,

Greta Muller: 00:38:51

and it's a union house.

Greta Muller: 00:38:52

That means you do not move that electrical cord two inches if there is not a

Greta Muller: 00:38:58

union person in that house to move it.

Greta Muller: 00:39:02

And 12 hours before her show, she demanded a new set.

Greta Muller: 00:39:10

Okay?

Greta Muller: 00:39:11

12 hours, we were going up at 10:00 AM the next day.

Greta Muller: 00:39:13

That means 10:00 PM I didn't even know how I was gonna do it, but I

Greta Muller: 00:39:18

was gonna try to make her happy.

Greta Muller: 00:39:21

And we were, oh my gosh, down to the minute, down to the

Greta Muller: 00:39:24

minute, down to the minute.

Greta Muller: 00:39:25

And I needed, I, I think I had a crew of like maybe five or seven people.

Greta Muller: 00:39:31

All of a sudden I look up at the stage, there's like 30 union guys

Greta Muller: 00:39:38

up there throwing this setup.

Greta Muller: 00:39:42

And I turned to the stage manager.

Greta Muller: 00:39:44

I said, who are these people?

Greta Muller: 00:39:48

Where did they come from?

Greta Muller: 00:39:50

I did not authorize this expense.

Greta Muller: 00:39:52

And he said, grata, they heard you were in trouble.

Greta Muller: 00:39:57

I was like, oh my God, you And he said, no one likes her.

Greta Muller: 00:40:05

And if it was her, they weren't gonna do it, but they heard you

Greta Muller: 00:40:09

were in trouble and they can't.

Greta Muller: 00:40:13

I was like, oh my gosh.

Greta Muller: 00:40:16

And I, there wasn't anything I could do for these men.

Greta Muller: 00:40:19

I mean, I don't control the budget.

Greta Muller: 00:40:21

I don't, you know, so all I could do was feed them and we had free sandwiches and

Greta Muller: 00:40:27

we, you know, anyway, they're all coming up going, Greta, we just love you so much.

Greta Muller: 00:40:31

And they were on their lunch break again, they were breaking their own union rules.

Greta Muller: 00:40:37

They're not supposed to work on their lunch break.

Greta Muller: 00:40:40

So even though I accepted it, I got into it, it was a nightmare.

Greta Muller: 00:40:45

I was gonna cry after this whole thing was over with.

Greta Muller: 00:40:49

I got to see.

Greta Muller: 00:40:52

Well, I got to see people act amazingly, but it also provided them

Greta Muller: 00:40:58

an opportunity to be amazing so that they could feel good, about themselves.

Greta Muller: 00:41:05

And, and in the end it was one of my favorite experiences

Greta Muller: 00:41:09

because of that moment.

Greta Muller: 00:41:11

but if I just thought in the, in the, in the future, I'm not gonna tempt that.

Greta Muller: 00:41:15

If I don't have a good feeling, I'm

Tim Winders: 00:41:18

It is interesting how sometimes we know we're moving

Tim Winders: 00:41:21

down a path and sometimes we do it because we think we're the savior

Tim Winders: 00:41:25

and we could work with anyone.

Tim Winders: 00:41:27

We're so awesome and we're so nice and whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:41:30

Or God's gonna bless it, or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:41:33

Or we just want.

Tim Winders: 00:41:35

The gig, we want the money, it could be financial reasons there too.

Tim Winders: 00:41:38

but yet after we get down that path, we go, huh, maybe this wasn't the right move.

Tim Winders: 00:41:44

I like how we've tied it together that, a moment or a situation in life

Tim Winders: 00:41:49

where we've had to redefine who we are can sometimes now give us a better

Tim Winders: 00:41:53

perspective on those situations.

Tim Winders: 00:41:56

Because often, early on we're just going at it, we're guns a blazing,

Tim Winders: 00:42:00

we're throwing our luggage over our shoulder and we're hitting the airport.

Tim Winders: 00:42:04

And, then all of a sudden a pandemic occurs and we go, wait,

Tim Winders: 00:42:06

why am I traveling so much?

Tim Winders: 00:42:07

Ooh, I can't travel now.

Tim Winders: 00:42:09

What do I do?

Tim Winders: 00:42:10

so somewhere along the way you wrote this book, opening Your Presence,

Tim Winders: 00:42:15

and it's P R E S E N C E will include links and everything for people.

Tim Winders: 00:42:20

But I think you sent me, this is the second edition.

Tim Winders: 00:42:24

When was the first edition back in 14 or something like that?

Greta Muller: 00:42:27

20 14.

Tim Winders: 00:42:28

So what provoked you to write that and what was going on?

Tim Winders: 00:42:31

And you said, you know what?

Tim Winders: 00:42:32

I'm not speaking and coaching.

Tim Winders: 00:42:34

I'm gonna write a book.

Greta Muller: 00:42:36

my first book, the first edition, I was working on a deadline.

Greta Muller: 00:42:40

It had to be done by a certain date, to coincide with the

Greta Muller: 00:42:44

speaking engagement that I had.

Greta Muller: 00:42:46

And I hurried through the edits and even after, right after

Greta Muller: 00:42:51

it came out, I'm so proud.

Greta Muller: 00:42:52

But I'm looking at it, I'm like, oh, I don't like the way I said that.

Greta Muller: 00:42:56

So there were things I wasn't pleased with.

Greta Muller: 00:42:58

It did very well.

Greta Muller: 00:43:00

It was translated into Greek and Chinese.

Greta Muller: 00:43:03

That was an experience because if you read my writing, I talk like a sudden girl and

Greta Muller: 00:43:08

I say, bless her heart and all this stuff.

Greta Muller: 00:43:11

And working with translators, they were like, what does, bless

Greta Muller: 00:43:14

your heart, what does that mean?

Greta Muller: 00:43:17

And it was a wonderful process.

Greta Muller: 00:43:19

But in Covid, during the lockdown, it was exactly what you said.

Greta Muller: 00:43:24

2020 was gonna be one of my best years.

Greta Muller: 00:43:27

Huge.

Greta Muller: 00:43:28

And it all got canceled.

Greta Muller: 00:43:30

I was doing a big bag of zero, and you can only do a big bag of nothing for

Greta Muller: 00:43:37

so long as, you know, without baking bread to death and gaining 50 pounds.

Greta Muller: 00:43:43

So I just thought, you know what, let me write the version.

Greta Muller: 00:43:48

I wanted to write all along and embrace the whole covid, issue of

Greta Muller: 00:43:56

communication because I was being forced to, the few jobs I did were online.

Greta Muller: 00:44:03

I'm not crazy about coaching online.

Greta Muller: 00:44:05

I don't think it's the most effective form of coaching and communication, but I can

Greta Muller: 00:44:11

help you make it more useful and helpful.

Greta Muller: 00:44:15

And, that's really what drove, drove the book that I had the time, so let

Greta Muller: 00:44:20

me do it and add the perspective and.

Greta Muller: 00:44:24

My old publisher had gone out of business, so I thought, well, great time.

Greta Muller: 00:44:29

I'll have a new edition come out and it's still on the shelves.

Tim Winders: 00:44:33

very nice.

Tim Winders: 00:44:33

as I was reading it, being someone who has, I guess I've

Tim Winders: 00:44:37

skirted a lot of these areas.

Tim Winders: 00:44:39

I've never sat in front of a camera, reading a teleprompter, but I've spoken

Tim Winders: 00:44:44

quite a bit, been up on stage, done tons of presentations, all that type stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:44:48

and I dig it.

Tim Winders: 00:44:48

In fact, sometimes I think I dig it too much and I need to

Tim Winders: 00:44:51

not dig it as much as I do.

Tim Winders: 00:44:52

But I was reading it and I was thinking to myself, and I'm gonna pose this

Tim Winders: 00:44:59

as a question after I state it, I was thinking to myself, this is really

Tim Winders: 00:45:03

good for the professional person.

Tim Winders: 00:45:06

And I think we said it in your intro, that, you do work with people that

Tim Winders: 00:45:10

would consider themselves, professional speakers, but I kept reading things to me

Tim Winders: 00:45:14

thinking that it was almost better for.

Tim Winders: 00:45:18

The person who thinks they can't do it should do it, but they know that part

Tim Winders: 00:45:23

of life is they're gonna have to do it.

Tim Winders: 00:45:26

who's it for and how did you do that balance between the pros and the, the

Tim Winders: 00:45:31

people that don't even, don't, don't make me speak in front of people or anything

Tim Winders: 00:45:33

like that, so that it was effective, which I thought it was very effective.

Tim Winders: 00:45:37

So I think you did a great job of it, but how, how'd you do that?

Greta Muller: 00:45:40

I directed it more to the non-professional speaker.

Greta Muller: 00:45:44

and Tim, I would probably consider you in that group.

Greta Muller: 00:45:48

Do you consider yourself a this is what I do.

Greta Muller: 00:45:51

I speak for a living.

Greta Muller: 00:45:54

No, it is an offshoot of your coaching, other work that you do.

Greta Muller: 00:45:59

and that is 90% now of the people I, work with, there, a c e o of a company, and

Greta Muller: 00:46:08

yet they have to do a media interview or they have to speak at a conference.

Greta Muller: 00:46:12

People who just have to speak to their team, they got a promotion.

Greta Muller: 00:46:16

one of my clients, fairly recently was a member of a team, was promoted

Greta Muller: 00:46:22

to the head of that team and she was like, now how do I talk to them?

Greta Muller: 00:46:27

I was one of them.

Greta Muller: 00:46:28

We would all go to dinner and complain about the boss, and now

Greta Muller: 00:46:32

I'm that boss and so just learning, the power of having an intention.

Greta Muller: 00:46:39

what is the purpose?

Greta Muller: 00:46:39

What is the intention?

Greta Muller: 00:46:41

What do you want them to think, feel, or do?

Greta Muller: 00:46:45

And feeling is huge.

Greta Muller: 00:46:47

A lot of people in the professional world are so set on the what.

Greta Muller: 00:46:51

I need to tell 'em this, this, and this.

Greta Muller: 00:46:53

Cuz that's important.

Greta Muller: 00:46:55

They're not thinking about how do I want them to feel about that?

Greta Muller: 00:46:59

Well, I want them to feel great.

Greta Muller: 00:47:00

I want them to know these procedures are changing and they need to feel

Greta Muller: 00:47:05

great and get on board with it.

Greta Muller: 00:47:07

Well that's more important than what it is you're gonna tell them

Greta Muller: 00:47:10

is how do you want them to feel?

Greta Muller: 00:47:12

So I feel a professional speaker could get something out of the book.

Greta Muller: 00:47:18

However, it is that person who is called upon to speak as part of their job.

Tim Winders: 00:47:24

What's the biggest challenge that you see as you go in and

Tim Winders: 00:47:26

work with people that aren't what we would call the professional speakers?

Tim Winders: 00:47:32

the people that they know they need to do it.

Tim Winders: 00:47:35

some of 'em are really good communicators.

Tim Winders: 00:47:38

I think some of them struggle and, and all, but what's your biggest thing?

Tim Winders: 00:47:42

What is your, what do you see over and over and over again?

Greta Muller: 00:47:47

And over.

Greta Muller: 00:47:48

I can answer that very easily, and it is the voice in the head.

Greta Muller: 00:47:53

It is what we tell ourselves about ourselves.

Greta Muller: 00:47:58

It's why I have the whole chapter on spring cleaning, because

Greta Muller: 00:48:02

people will come in and they'll say, I know my voice is awful.

Greta Muller: 00:48:07

I know X, Y, Z about myself.

Greta Muller: 00:48:10

I know this isn't good.

Greta Muller: 00:48:11

I know I'm not blah, blah, blah.

Greta Muller: 00:48:13

And I don't agree with that at all.

Greta Muller: 00:48:15

I think they're amazing.

Greta Muller: 00:48:16

I think it's exactly what they do Well.

Greta Muller: 00:48:20

And they don't like their accent.

Greta Muller: 00:48:22

English as a second language people, oh my gosh, people can't understand me.

Greta Muller: 00:48:27

yes, they can, I can understand every word that's coming outta your mouth.

Greta Muller: 00:48:31

And so the first thing I do try to do is separate reality and pay attention

Greta Muller: 00:48:38

to how you're speaking to yourself.

Greta Muller: 00:48:40

Because if you're walking up to the stage hating yourself, oh my

Greta Muller: 00:48:44

gosh, I didn't sleep last night.

Greta Muller: 00:48:46

I'm a mess.

Greta Muller: 00:48:47

I'm, you know, blah, blah, blah.

Greta Muller: 00:48:49

It's gonna affect how you do it.

Greta Muller: 00:48:50

So how do you flip that, hear the voice, and change the voice, change the channel

Greta Muller: 00:48:57

so that you're speaking to yourself in a more nurturing, encouraging way.

Tim Winders: 00:49:03

Do you, do we still see, do we still have these measurements

Tim Winders: 00:49:07

or this, I guess the factor that one of the biggest fears people have is

Tim Winders: 00:49:11

still getting up in front of a group of people, small, medium, large, leading

Tim Winders: 00:49:15

a silent prayer at church or even, doing a bigger presentation in front.

Tim Winders: 00:49:19

Is that still one of the biggest fears that people have?

Greta Muller: 00:49:24

being judged by their peers, being, assessed.

Greta Muller: 00:49:28

what are these people going to think of me?

Greta Muller: 00:49:30

Yes, that is a concern.

Greta Muller: 00:49:32

I will say that is a big concern.

Greta Muller: 00:49:34

Again, that can be addressed by understanding you have

Greta Muller: 00:49:40

that concern and directing it.

Greta Muller: 00:49:42

What do I want them to know about me?

Greta Muller: 00:49:45

And let's focus on how to project that.

Greta Muller: 00:49:48

now, People who come in and go, oh, I just want people to know I don't do this very

Greta Muller: 00:49:54

often, and I'm nervous and I'm scared.

Greta Muller: 00:49:56

I just want them to know that, let's not do that.

Greta Muller: 00:50:01

You don't have to act like you run the world, you know everything.

Greta Muller: 00:50:06

But to come start that way, that's not a great idea.

Greta Muller: 00:50:10

So it is a balance of what works, what's a way to address people

Greta Muller: 00:50:15

and what's real, and let's work on finding a good balance there.

Tim Winders: 00:50:20

What's the challenge?

Tim Winders: 00:50:21

You know, one of the things that a lot of people get in the mode of, they

Tim Winders: 00:50:24

believe that they have to perform.

Tim Winders: 00:50:27

They believe that they have to sell or pitch.

Tim Winders: 00:50:29

They believe that they have to, impress.

Tim Winders: 00:50:33

But yet, when we use words like authenticity or the title of the book,

Tim Winders: 00:50:38

opening Your Presence, the presence that you have, your own unique presence,

Tim Winders: 00:50:42

it's more about sharing, it's more about, inspiring or sharing information.

Tim Winders: 00:50:48

how does one strike that balance?

Tim Winders: 00:50:51

Because we do see people that are so impressive that we go,

Tim Winders: 00:50:55

wow, that's what I need to be.

Tim Winders: 00:50:59

But yet people need to be themselves.

Tim Winders: 00:51:01

how do they reconcile that?

Tim Winders: 00:51:02

I want to, I wanna be like, I'm trying to even think of an example.

Tim Winders: 00:51:07

Can't, politicians aren't a good example.

Tim Winders: 00:51:09

I'm trying to, I'm trying, I wanna be like somebody, I wanna be like Joe Rogan.

Tim Winders: 00:51:13

I don't know, that's not a good example either.

Tim Winders: 00:51:16

I wanna be like so and so, and I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin, so

Tim Winders: 00:51:21

I'm not, I'm kind of trying to project, but I know that people have that they

Tim Winders: 00:51:25

want to compare, like you said earlier.

Tim Winders: 00:51:27

so what's the first thing you do to try to get in their heads

Tim Winders: 00:51:30

and say, no, let's be you.

Tim Winders: 00:51:32

Let's open up your presence so that your authentic self.

Tim Winders: 00:51:37

But we do work on a few things to make it, to

Greta Muller: 00:51:40

The best part of ourselves.

Greta Muller: 00:51:42

I often ask people that is, do they believe that who they are is sufficient?

Greta Muller: 00:51:52

That right now talking to me, are you enough?

Greta Muller: 00:51:57

are you able to make yourself clear, understood.

Greta Muller: 00:52:01

can we communicate?

Greta Muller: 00:52:02

and I bring it to a one-on-one thing, and then I say, okay, great.

Greta Muller: 00:52:06

Now let's just put a few more people in this room.

Greta Muller: 00:52:09

Are you enough?

Greta Muller: 00:52:11

Is there enough there that can communicate to 10 people?

Greta Muller: 00:52:16

20.

Greta Muller: 00:52:16

Let's make it 50.

Greta Muller: 00:52:18

Because once the crowd gets to be any significant size, I always coach people

Greta Muller: 00:52:24

to speak to one person at a time.

Greta Muller: 00:52:28

Don't be, I call it the shark, that moving that constantly, I gotta

Greta Muller: 00:52:34

take in the whole audience cuz there's a thousand people here.

Greta Muller: 00:52:37

And so, you know, and they never focus.

Greta Muller: 00:52:41

And that's what we're gonna do.

Greta Muller: 00:52:43

we're gonna talk to one person, even if it's mental.

Greta Muller: 00:52:47

let's just talk to that one person at a time.

Greta Muller: 00:52:49

And it can actually be someone personal.

Greta Muller: 00:52:51

young people, they talk very, very fast if they're speaking to an older crowd.

Greta Muller: 00:52:58

I said, mentally, let's talk to your grandmother.

Greta Muller: 00:53:02

You're not gonna talk down to her.

Greta Muller: 00:53:04

You're not gonna talk in an unloving way.

Greta Muller: 00:53:07

You're gonna be very respectful, but you're gonna speak in a

Greta Muller: 00:53:10

way that she can understand you and it's one person at a time.

Greta Muller: 00:53:15

So just helping people see that balance of sufficiency.

Greta Muller: 00:53:20

You are enough.

Greta Muller: 00:53:23

You don't have to be Tony Robbins, Oprah, you don't have to be Jane

Greta Muller: 00:53:27

Pauly or whoever on the morning show.

Greta Muller: 00:53:30

You simply have to be enough for a one-on-one conversation, and

Greta Muller: 00:53:36

if you've got that, we can do it

Tim Winders: 00:53:39

That's a great question because I, I really do see, and I

Tim Winders: 00:53:43

know you see it a lot in the work that you do, I see a lot of people

Tim Winders: 00:53:46

that I, I think deep down, they don't think that they're enough.

Greta Muller: 00:53:51

right.

Tim Winders: 00:53:51

I.

Tim Winders: 00:53:52

and so hence the reason for, gaining some skills, from a book or from

Tim Winders: 00:53:56

a coach or from, some training.

Tim Winders: 00:53:59

And, how do you get, this is maybe getting close to some

Tim Winders: 00:54:03

of my final questions, but I.

Tim Winders: 00:54:05

I think that some people can just gain confidence from just getting

Tim Winders: 00:54:09

some repetitions in, getting a successor two under their belt.

Tim Winders: 00:54:14

Let's just say you're working with someone and they are really struggling

Tim Winders: 00:54:18

with the, are they enough question, but you're working towards, you're trying

Tim Winders: 00:54:23

to get a presentation done, or they've got to speak in front of a small group

Tim Winders: 00:54:26

of people or, or do something for their company or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:54:30

What are some ways that you help build that you are enough confidence in?

Tim Winders: 00:54:38

Do you do it microsteps or, I know you don't just throw 'em out into the deep

Tim Winders: 00:54:41

end of the pool probably, but what are some ways if someone's listening

Tim Winders: 00:54:45

in or if you're working with someone that they can just start gaining

Tim Winders: 00:54:49

some of that I'm enough confidence.

Greta Muller: 00:54:52

I do believe in starting small.

Greta Muller: 00:54:54

One of my favorite clients ever, had trouble speaking up in a meeting.

Greta Muller: 00:55:00

He was very shy, he was very self-conscious, and because of a

Greta Muller: 00:55:05

promotion he had gotten at work, he was gonna be speaking to 800 people.

Greta Muller: 00:55:11

He had never done that in his life, and fortunately, he

Greta Muller: 00:55:16

hired me six months in advance.

Greta Muller: 00:55:18

Woo-hoo.

Greta Muller: 00:55:20

We can't, or I do not recommend it, I should say.

Greta Muller: 00:55:24

I do not recommend working on a speech for six months.

Greta Muller: 00:55:28

It's gonna get old, tired.

Greta Muller: 00:55:30

It doesn't sound, it doesn't mean anything anymore.

Greta Muller: 00:55:34

And so we literally started small.

Greta Muller: 00:55:37

And in a meeting of his team, which was five to seven people, all I wanted him

Greta Muller: 00:55:42

to do was volunteer to ask a question.

Greta Muller: 00:55:47

I can't tell you how many times he came out and he said, people came up

Greta Muller: 00:55:51

to him after, afterwards and went, oh, thank God you asked that question.

Greta Muller: 00:55:54

That's what I wanted to know.

Greta Muller: 00:55:56

I went, aren't you amazing?

Greta Muller: 00:55:58

You asked what other people wanted to know, confidence builders, and then he

Greta Muller: 00:56:04

had to make a very short presentation, 30 seconds in that meeting, and then he

Greta Muller: 00:56:11

had to move to 15 people and then he went to 30, he volunteered to speak to 50.

Greta Muller: 00:56:17

He nearly, floored me and it was just a welcome.

Greta Muller: 00:56:21

It was wel, it was a welcome to a new team, to a property.

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And very short.

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But he volunteered and slowly but surely, he got his

Greta Muller: 00:56:33

confidence up that he was enough.

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And by the time he got out there and he had to speak to the 800.

Greta Muller: 00:56:43

Now, when you're speaking to a large group, I always recommend

Greta Muller: 00:56:48

start high, start your energy higher because it's going to drop.

Greta Muller: 00:56:54

But if you start it here, it's gonna drop to there.

Greta Muller: 00:56:58

So if you start it higher, and he was speaking in New Orleans and I

Greta Muller: 00:57:03

made him walk out on that stage and yell, good morning, new Orleans.

Greta Muller: 00:57:10

Just like, good morning, Vietnam from that movie.

Greta Muller: 00:57:13

And I laughed and I said, if you don't do it big enough, I'm

Greta Muller: 00:57:16

gonna come up on that stage.

Greta Muller: 00:57:17

I'm going make you do it again.

Greta Muller: 00:57:19

I was teasing.

Greta Muller: 00:57:21

He comes out, I am literally in tears.

Greta Muller: 00:57:24

He was so amazing.

Greta Muller: 00:57:25

He did, it opened his arms because I knew if he could do it in the

Greta Muller: 00:57:30

first few seconds he could do it.

Greta Muller: 00:57:33

And he came out and he said, you know what?

Greta Muller: 00:57:36

I don't think I did that big enough.

Greta Muller: 00:57:38

I need to go do that again.

Greta Muller: 00:57:40

Or my coach is gonna come up on this stage.

Greta Muller: 00:57:42

He said it from the stage.

Greta Muller: 00:57:44

Ha.

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And he did.

Greta Muller: 00:57:46

And he had a standing ovation in the first 10 seconds because they

Greta Muller: 00:57:51

loved the humanity and the reality.

Greta Muller: 00:57:56

And I asked them later, I said, did you really think I would come

Greta Muller: 00:57:59

up there and make you do it again?

Greta Muller: 00:58:00

And he said, oh, absolutely.

Tim Winders: 00:58:03

You convinced him?

Greta Muller: 00:58:05

honey.

Greta Muller: 00:58:06

No.

Greta Muller: 00:58:06

But it, it's always in increments talking to one person, people

Greta Muller: 00:58:12

who think it's a confrontation.

Greta Muller: 00:58:14

Oh, I have to have a confrontation with this girl at work.

Greta Muller: 00:58:17

I can't stand.

Greta Muller: 00:58:20

I mean, we have to really take it back a notch too.

Greta Muller: 00:58:22

It's not a confrontation, we're just gonna have a conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:58:27

I like that because not everyone is, like Greta that started in

Tim Winders: 00:58:30

third grade being the star of her play

Greta Muller: 00:58:34

is the truth.

Tim Winders: 00:58:34

or even like Tim who was speaking and all that at that age too.

Tim Winders: 00:58:39

So that is excellent.

Tim Winders: 00:58:41

All in the book, opening your presence, presenting the

Tim Winders: 00:58:44

you, you want others to see.

Tim Winders: 00:58:47

What do you really want the big takeaway to be for someone who

Tim Winders: 00:58:49

gets and reads this book, Greta.

Greta Muller: 00:58:51

I guess, that it's possible that we all want to be seen and heard

Greta Muller: 00:58:58

the way we wanna be seen and heard.

Greta Muller: 00:59:00

And it's about making the connection about, okay, if you wanna be seen and

Greta Muller: 00:59:06

heard the way you wanna be seen and heard.

Greta Muller: 00:59:09

Are you presenting that?

Greta Muller: 00:59:10

Are you actually doing that?

Greta Muller: 00:59:12

Or if people keep coming back with a negative impression or, they're confused

Greta Muller: 00:59:17

or they don't understand you, what are you doing and how are you coming across?

Greta Muller: 00:59:24

And so to say that it is possible, and it's also human nature, everybody

Greta Muller: 00:59:31

wants to be seen and heard everybody.

Greta Muller: 00:59:34

And so they're not

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weird

Greta Muller: 00:59:35

or different.

Greta Muller: 00:59:36

Sometimes I'm the first person they've ever spoken to about this desire, and

Greta Muller: 00:59:42

yet they know they're an introvert or they're shy, they're quiet.

Greta Muller: 00:59:47

I'm not a naturally gifted speaker.

Greta Muller: 00:59:50

Okay?

Greta Muller: 00:59:52

That doesn't mean you can't speak.

Greta Muller: 00:59:54

And so I, I think that is the biggest, takeaway is making that

Greta Muller: 00:59:58

connection between what you want and delivering on that for yourself.

Tim Winders: 01:00:04

Greta, where can people connect with you and where

Tim Winders: 01:00:06

they, where can they find a book or anything you want to give?

Tim Winders: 01:00:09

We'll include it down in the notes, but, let us know where

Tim Winders: 01:00:11

to find you and, your resources.

Greta Muller: 01:00:14

Well, it's very easy to find me, Greta Mueller.

Greta Muller: 01:00:17

And it's greta mueller.com.

Greta Muller: 01:00:19

you can, make a 15 minute consultation call free.

Greta Muller: 01:00:23

Just wanna chat with me.

Greta Muller: 01:00:24

It's on the homepage.

Greta Muller: 01:00:26

You click on that.

Greta Muller: 01:00:27

The book is available, of course, through my site, but it's, Amazon, Barnes and

Greta Muller: 01:00:32

Noble, several sites, even through my publisher, and she gives all the

Greta Muller: 01:00:37

sites that offer, the book and stuff.

Tim Winders: 01:00:40

very good.

Tim Winders: 01:00:41

And like I said, I read it over the last few days.

Tim Winders: 01:00:43

I really enjoyed it.

Tim Winders: 01:00:44

Greta, we are seek, go create those three words.

Tim Winders: 01:00:48

I'm gonna give you one of those that resonates with you, means

Tim Winders: 01:00:51

more to you over the other two.

Tim Winders: 01:00:53

As my final question, seek, go or create.

Tim Winders: 01:00:55

Which one do you choose?

Greta Muller: 01:00:57

Seek, it comes to mind immediately.

Greta Muller: 01:01:02

there is no go.

Greta Muller: 01:01:03

There is no create, in my opinion, if you do not seek it first, seek

Greta Muller: 01:01:08

your truth, your authenticity and a way will be provided.

Tim Winders: 01:01:14

I love it.

Tim Winders: 01:01:15

Thank you, Greta.

Tim Winders: 01:01:16

Thanks for writing the book.

Tim Winders: 01:01:17

I think it's a great resource for people.

Tim Winders: 01:01:19

I think people need to get that.

Tim Winders: 01:01:21

I've enjoyed the conversation.

Tim Winders: 01:01:22

We knew.

Tim Winders: 01:01:23

We knew that we would just, right when we flipped on the.

Greta Muller: 01:01:25

it very much.

Greta Muller: 01:01:26

Thank you.

Tim Winders: 01:01:27

Lift on the microphone.

Tim Winders: 01:01:28

I encourage if you've been listening to this to go get a copy of this book.

Tim Winders: 01:01:32

I think everybody needs some of the principles and regardless of where you are

Tim Winders: 01:01:36

on the spectrum of speaker, all the way from pro down to, I'm thinking about it.

Tim Winders: 01:01:41

I think it would be excellent for you.

Tim Winders: 01:01:43

Also share this episode, wherever you're listening in podcast,

Tim Winders: 01:01:47

YouTube on some of our socials.

Tim Winders: 01:01:49

Make sure you share it with people.

Tim Winders: 01:01:50

I think, people that would want to hear all that we had to

Tim Winders: 01:01:54

say and, answer that question.

Tim Winders: 01:01:57

Are you enough?

Tim Winders: 01:01:58

I love that thought.

Tim Winders: 01:01:58

I love the question that came up there.

Tim Winders: 01:02:00

Are you enough?

Tim Winders: 01:02:01

I believe that you are enough if you're listing in here to seek, go create.

Tim Winders: 01:02:05

But sometimes we need some convincing and we need help.

Tim Winders: 01:02:08

We need help from people like Greta.

Tim Winders: 01:02:09

So I appreciate it greatly.

Tim Winders: 01:02:11

We have new episodes every.

Tim Winders: 01:02:14

Monday, make sure you subscribe, follow, listen, all of that.

Tim Winders: 01:02:18

Until next time, continue being all that you are created to be.