Unlocking the Power of Prayer in Business with Amy Lykosh

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this is part of also why I'm like, I just love

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entrepreneurs and business people because there often is such a.

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An internal drive to say, I'm, I'm trying something new.

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I'm going in a new direction.

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I'm not actually willing to just accept the status quo.

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And they're often just a little bit more interesting, right?

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Oh,

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Are you ready to unlock the power of prayer in every Aspect of your

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life, including the workplace today on seat, go create the leadership journey.

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We welcome Amy Lykos, the executive director of workplace prayer.

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She has a passion for intertwining prayer and leadership.

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After reconnecting with prayer and experiencing its transformative

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power firsthand, Amy has dedicated her life to guiding others in

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nurturing their spiritual journeys.

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From overseeing a dynamic workplace prayer movement to managing complexities of cool

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stuff like homeschooling and homeopathy, Amy's story is a testament to the enduring

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strength and guidance that prayer brings.

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Before I bring her on though, I wanted to give a big thank you to

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Thank you for your testimony, Tim.

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Before I brought our guest on.

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So Amy, welcome to Seek, Go, Create.

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Thank you, that was a beautiful introduction.

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So, Amy, we have just met, we've got a great connector

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in Sabrina that connected us.

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I always honor and love whoever Sabrina connects me with.

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But, Let's do a little bit of a pretend.

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I don't know.

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I was trying to say where we are, maybe an airport.

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We sort of bumping each other in an airport.

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I just recently flew this last week and we're just chit chatting.

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And you know, I find out you're in Virginia.

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You find out something.

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I say, Amy, do you do, what's your answer when someone asks you that question?

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I say, I pray for businesses and there's usually a little bit of a

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pause and then people are like, wait.

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Wait, what?

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So I pray for businesses.

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That is my privilege.

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My joy.

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And my full time job.

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so, all right, good.

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That's cool.

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Because we can kind of dive into that right away because my followup would be.

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Oh, okay.

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You know, I'm a prayer guy.

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I believe in prayer.

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I'm also a business guy praying

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for businesses.

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I've never really heard that.

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Tell me more.

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Oh, yeah, thank you.

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So, probably the best place to start is my own journey, which my parents were

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on missions, they were involved with the missions movement on staff with

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the missions agency in the late 1980s.

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And so every day they had staff meeting and they would pray.

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And at some point they realized that the second reason why people

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went home from the mission field was because, they, didn't know what to

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do with their children for education.

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And so my parents thought, well, we can help with that.

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The number one reason was because they didn't get along with their team members.

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Not much you can do about that one.

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But in terms of educating, they said we can help with that.

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So they developed a homeschool curriculum and that did allow missionaries to stay

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on the field one more day, one more year.

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But the great thing was they thought we really liked having prayer.

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And so let's do that with our own business.

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And so they always allowed space for the staff to come together

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and have morning prayer time.

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And so for 30 years, that was their thing.

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They started in 1990.

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And then by 2020, there were certain things that when I looked

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at the business, I thought we are just not getting breakthrough.

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We've seen so many beautiful Answers to prayer over the years,

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miracles, just the Lord's provision.

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So precious, but there were places where I just thought, Oh, if

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I knew better how to pray more effectively, I feel like I would have.

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Just maybe these places would get breakthrough more quickly.

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I felt a little bit like I was trying to water a football field with a garden hose.

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And I thought I either need something more like a fireman's hose, or I need

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a sprinkler system, or I need some rain from heaven, but I just need

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something that's a little stronger.

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And so at that point, I went looking for people to help either

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teach me how to pray better.

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That was kind of my first option.

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Let me find out more how to do it effectively.

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But then I also thought if there was actually somebody out there

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who knows more and would just pray, I would really like that too.

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That proved to be.

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Surprisingly difficult to find people.

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And so when I finally found someone, I was like, well, hallelujah, let's try this.

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And so my parents hired him.

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And the third day I sent him a text at 11 PM and I said, We have

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had 10 answered prayers today.

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I could not even believe it.

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And it wasn't like I had sent him the list of my top 1, 000, It was

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more just things that I had been watching for and paying attention.

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And so, When I said that we've had 10 answered pros today, I was expecting

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a response like that's fantastic.

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And instead I got an answer back that said, let's go for a dozen.

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And I remember looking at my phone, like, who is this person?

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Like, he's not content with 10.

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He wants a dozen.

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And it's 11 PM at night and he clearly really believes that prayer works.

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And so that was my initial introduction day three to, Bob Perry.

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And by the middle of the month, I was like, I've got to do this with you.

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This is the most exciting thing.

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Cause we did hit a dozen that day and we never hit less than a

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dozen for the rest of the month.

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There were days we had two dozen.

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I mean, I truly was like.

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This is incredible.

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And I already thought that prayer worked.

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So it became, now I was like a very, very committed to this idea.

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that is pretty awesome.

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I'm sitting here.

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This is what's going through my mind.

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I want to keep going down that path, but I also like to get

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people's background and story.

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So I think what I'm going to do is I'm going to put a comma right there

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at what you just said, and we're going to come back to that shortly.

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But I kind of first want to ask like a bigger picture question.

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And, and that

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in your opinion,

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Thank

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why do we not spend time In prayer.

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I mean, for those that are believers, I mean, listen, and someone's

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probably gotten this far, even in this episode, it's not like they're

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trying to figure out, you know, what are they talking about right now?

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It's probably even the title and stuff is probably going to be okay.

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This has something to do, but, but what would be, what would be

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some reasons why we don't do this?

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Because what you just said, it seems like, well, why wouldn't we, but why don't we?

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Yeah, that's a beautiful question and it's one that I would

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say my mom who founded the business, and she said at one point, she's like,

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Amy, I was the head of the prayer committee, or not the committee, but

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like the small group that met at church.

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She said, I did that for years and we would meet every Wednesday and I had my

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list of things I wanted to pray about.

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And she said, but business was never on the list.

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Like I was praying for the single moms and the homeschooling moms and the

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children as they went off to school.

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And I was praying for the pastors and like there was, we felt

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like we covered everything.

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But she also said, you know, when I'm praying at the front of the

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church during, you know, after service, sometimes churches have

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people who can come up for prayer.

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She said, I never had anybody come and ask me for prayer for

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their business except once.

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And he was trying to sell.

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And so when we bought the name for our URL, workplaceprayer.

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com.

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It was the minimum bid and it, I mean, that was a gift to us, you know,

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like, Oh, hooray, we saved money.

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But there was another part of us that like, I literally cried about this for

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a month because I thought, Lord, that means that nobody is looking for that.

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You know, I had gone looking for a name for a reading program for

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the homeschool curriculum and they're like the top thousand that

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I looked for, it worked all taken.

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And so I, the way, the best way I can describe it is that it feels a

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little bit like there's a black hole.

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Around business and prayer that there's, that there's just actually,

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nobody is really thinking about this.

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It's almost like here's this place where business owners

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are so precious to God's heart.

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they're the ones who are creating, they're not just business owners,

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but people who are in business, they're offering something to the

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world that is solving a problem and they're creating value for people.

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And it's so precious.

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Like this is so much a part of God's heart.

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And yet, I don't know if there's a part where we're just maybe a little

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bit embarrassed, like probably God doesn't really care about that.

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but I think for whatever reason, we just really don't think about it as

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something that is worthy of prayer.

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And so I don't know if I have a better answer for you than it's

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kind of a mystery to me too.

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it's interesting.

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And I may not be the right guy to bring up the paradigms because I

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was saved in a business setting.

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out in church world and I've always been business guy, partially because

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of of greed and pursuit of money.

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We won't get into that here.

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That's a whole nother story.

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But truthfully, I think that might be why there may not be prayer in business.

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We've kind of in our first world christian americanized culture We've

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sort of I think programmed people and i'm going to say this and then you could

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comment I think we've programmed people to Not bring that filthy mammon talk

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Into our church Which then also says well probably I don't need to bring it

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into my prayer time thoughts on that

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yeah, I think that's a really good observation.

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I mean, it's interesting because obviously Jesus does say, you

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cannot serve both God and mammon.

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On the other hand, you know, when you think about it, if the Bible begins in

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a garden and it ends in a city, which in some ways there's a lot of organized

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gardens, there's a lot of organization and administration and building

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things and creating that is necessary.

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And so there's an element where I'm like, no, we, we actually want to

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be praying for our cities, for our businesses, for all of the things

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that are producing and that, that, that the Lord actually has solutions.

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So I guess one of the ways that.

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For me, maybe, like, this is probably one of the most deeply convicting

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moments that I've had as an adult.

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I was going to a conference and I ended up, the Uber was driving me through the

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streets of the Bronx at like 1am because the flight had been really delayed.

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And we were driving through the projects and it was just, Not, you

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know, it was just not my favorite environment and we passed a little

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strip mall and it had a bunch of, how would I put this chain restaurants?

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So I don't remember what it was, but you can imagine Taco

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Bell or Pizza Hut or something.

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And I know enough about nutrition and such that I had this kind of internal reviling,

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like, Whoa, Lord, it's not even food.

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And basically what the Lord said to me was, Do not ever condemn

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those again, because there were children who went to bed with

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full stomachs because those exist.

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And there's this part where I was like, we need to actually be bringing solutions.

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Like the world brings solutions and it actually does feed children.

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But we, as people who love Jesus, should be solving problems that are large, and so

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there's an element even with that where I don't know that that's exactly answering

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your question, but it's like if we could combine the beauty of business and problem

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solving and bring kingdom solutions, God's solutions to those places, I think

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what an amazing transformation process.

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No, I think that ties Together.

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Well, because it goes to something, I'll bring this up and

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get your thoughts on this too.

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I've been doing a lot of study into Middle Eastern culture that

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most of our scriptures and our Bible and everything comes from.

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And many times I'm wondering if we're missing it because we don't understand

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that culture because we're really products of what I call the Greco Roman culture and

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we segment and compartmentalize everything and we judge and all that kind of stuff.

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but I do wonder.

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If, because we're so compartmentalized, we've compartmentalized our business life

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so far away from our walk with the Lord, that it becomes more uncomfortable to have

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a conversation like you and I are having than to someone were to say, we would be

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shocked if they said they didn't pray.

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For their business.

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You know what I mean?

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That would be like, if we were in the Jewish

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culture or the Middle Eastern culture, they would probably be wondering why

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the heck are y'all having a podcast episode about praying in the workplace.

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Yeah.

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No, that's a really good question.

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You know, I've heard that the word in Hebrew for work

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is the same as for worship.

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And so there's such a beautiful connection, I guess, that yeah, in

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the Hebrew mind, I think that would be, there's not really a divide.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's all together.

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It's one.

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and I think we still try to segment off our Sunday life, our

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Monday life, our work finances and all types of things like that.

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And you know what?

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I just had this vision

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of.

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Jesus in a statement that, and this is to me a business answer to probably a prayer.

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It's cast your nets on the other side of the boat.

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I,

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I just got off the phone with a client where we were talking

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their strategies and all, which is kind of what I do with people.

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And, you know, should we cast it on this side of the net

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or the other side of the net?

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And that's could have been a direct answer to prayer.

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So anyway, all right.

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So those are some big picture things, but Amy, you've got so many things

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that popped up like about Amy.

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I'm going to mention a few and then I'm going to kind of do rapid fire.

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And then you could respond to any of these.

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Homeschooling.

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We homeschooled our kids.

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They're grown.

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Homeschooling is obviously a big deal.

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If it's written on your bio, it's got to be a passion.

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Homeopathy.

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I can't show the camera right now, but I haven't taken any type of

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pharmaceutical in a long time.

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My wife, I don't understand it all, but she gives me things when I say I've got

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a little bit of congestion, whatever.

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So homeopathy is big deal for us.

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But probably the biggest one that was kind of like a little exclamation point

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at the end of your bio was that for four and a half years, you lived in

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200 and something square feet, which my wife and I, for the last five and

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a half have lived in this motor coach.

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Tell me more about Amy

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Oh, well, thank you.

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yeah, so I did grow up in a homeschooling family and then of course, my parents

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started the homeschooling business.

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homeschooling was kind of a non negotiable when we got married

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and then, so we have five boys.

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They're not entirely grown, but my oldest is 22 and my youngest is 10.

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So I feel like I've been doing homeschooling for a long time

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and I have some years yet to go.

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I love homeschooling.

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I also love homeopathy because I also felt like, when my children were young,

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I remember when they would get sick, the only option that I had to feed them was.

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You know, like cherry syrup NyQuil, and I thought, you know, I never give them

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artificial colors or flavors at all in their normal life, so why, why am I doing

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this when they're sick, and so around that time, I was probably preparing

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for a home birth, and the midwife said something like, homeopathy has no side

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effects, and you can take it from before the child is born all the way until

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your dying day, and it's just wonderful.

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And I, the, it's a little more nuanced than that.

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That's kind of like a very basic level understanding, but

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I thought, okay, that's amazing.

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And so I did actually go to school and get my two year, certificate.

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I did not ever go through,

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sitting for the boards.

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Instead had kind of a hard right turn into prayer, even before praying for

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business, I felt like, Oh, there's, there's other things I'm supposed to do

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:32

in the realm of prayer, but I had really asked the Lord to make me a healer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:35

And so I thought, you know, I'm not going to go to med school.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:38

I don't want to be that kind of a healer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:39

So homeopathy seemed like a reasonable way to be a healer in other ways.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:44

But yeah, in terms of living in 224 square feet, we lived in a construction trailer,

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:50

eight by 28 for four and a half years.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:52

And the story behind that is that we were very normal, very

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:56

happy people living in Boulder.

Amy Lykosh: 00:16:57

My husband was a forensic structural engineer, somebody who is a building

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:01

doctor, basically, he would go and design repairs for that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:04

And I was happily working with my parents and doing homeschooling.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:08

And there was a day I was walking down the street with all of my boys, probably

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:12

dog on the leash around my waist.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:13

And, I felt like the Lord said, go start a farm.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:16

And I was not in the habit of hearing from the Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:18

That was a very unusual event.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:20

So I thought, oh, well, that was kind of unusual.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:22

Went about my day, didn't particularly think a whole lot more of it other

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:26

than just like, oh, interesting.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:27

And then my husband came home and he had been on an engineering job up in

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:31

the mountains and he walked in and he said, I think the Lord said that

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:35

we're supposed to move to a farm.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:37

And I was like, Oh, well, I heard that today too.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:39

So I guess we better do it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:40

So then we ended up looking around the country for places where there was land

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:44

and water, because although Boulder is very beautiful, it is also very

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:48

dry and very pricey if you want land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:51

And so we ended up.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:52

Settling in central Virginia and it was unimproved land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:17:55

We opted to get as much land as possible, which I will just say, I believe that

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:00

was the Lord's guidance, but it was not necessarily the easier option.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:03

And so we lived in a construction trailer for 4.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:06

5 years and tried to start a farm.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:09

Tried to, anyway.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:11

we were faithful to the call . So thank you for asking.

Tim Winders: 00:18:15

Maybe my thought that comes to my mind is how did that end?

Tim Winders: 00:18:19

How did you transition because I don't think you're still there

Tim Winders: 00:18:24

What was the transition because you're still in Virginia, correct?

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:28

Yeah, so that's also a beautiful question.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:31

So we did not move off the land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:34

Part of what happened is that we, we were both very capable, very

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:38

energetic people, and so when we moved to land and everything died.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:42

It's like not just the first year, everything died like year after year.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:45

And finally I went to my husband, I said, I can't live under the curse this much.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:49

Like I, or like this close to the curse.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:51

So in Genesis, when Adam and Eve fell, like there's just a curse and things die.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:55

And I just said, I, Emotionally, I cannot handle this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:18:59

And after another year or two of kind of valiantly going on by himself, he's just

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:04

not somebody who likes working alone.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:05

So he's like, okay, maybe I will be done too.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:08

So we still live on the land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:11

I think for me, part of what that did is really press into prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:14

Like, Lord, why did you call us to do that?

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:16

If.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:17

It was all just going to fail.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:18

That wasn't very nice.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:19

and I think for my husband, he kind of got a new direction.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:22

He does still do some engineering work on the side, but he has a tree service

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:25

business now that he runs with some friends and employs several of our sons.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:29

So if all that it was, was that the Lord moved us to central

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:32

Virginia, that would have been okay.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:34

On my birthday this year, the Lord gave me a gift.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:36

So this is now 14 years after we moved to the land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:40

And, I periodically, I just kind of ask him like that

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:42

really wasn't very nice Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:44

You know, why, why did you invite us to move to land?

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:46

But it was really not going to be very good.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:48

And, he is so funny.

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:50

He said to me, Hey, Amy, what was the call?

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:53

And I was like, you asked us to like, you, you asked me to start a farm and

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:56

you told Phil to move to a farm and Lord was like, well, did you do it?

Amy Lykosh: 00:19:59

And I was like, yeah, and he was kind of like, okay, so you had it built up in

Amy Lykosh: 00:20:05

your mind that it was going to be like successful farm and really profitable.

Amy Lykosh: 00:20:08

And that just wasn't my invitation.

Amy Lykosh: 00:20:12

So, anyway, I'm very, very thankful for where we are.

Amy Lykosh: 00:20:16

It was not the easiest road to get.

Tim Winders: 00:20:18

I mean, yeah some of that stuff is it's it's hard work

Tim Winders: 00:20:21

I mean my wife we're in an RV But yet she has a garden because where

Tim Winders: 00:20:26

we hang out some in the summer.

Tim Winders: 00:20:28

There's a community garden here You And, I'm the laborer and I

Tim Winders: 00:20:32

water and, but man, it's hard work.

Tim Winders: 00:20:34

And it's just a little patch that's barely, I mean, we're over to my left

Tim Winders: 00:20:39

right here, there's one, two, three, four, five stacks of things where

Tim Winders: 00:20:42

she's been canning here in our RV and harvesting her crops But it's interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:20:49

I want to go back to something.

Tim Winders: 00:20:50

Cause this is, I think this is a problem.

Tim Winders: 00:20:52

Prayer question or a listening question or a hearing question or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:20:58

Isn't it interesting how we try to fill in the gaps.

Tim Winders: 00:21:02

you got an instruction and it seemed like it was a very clear instruction.

Tim Winders: 00:21:08

Go live on the land, start a farm or something to that effect.

Tim Winders: 00:21:12

But then you started filling in all the gaps of what you expected it to look like.

Tim Winders: 00:21:17

And this is how it ends.

Tim Winders: 00:21:19

And part of our underlying theme here is redefining success.

Tim Winders: 00:21:22

And a lot of it goes back to that.

Tim Winders: 00:21:24

you probably had success and your husband had success and maybe even

Tim Winders: 00:21:28

the kids and the way you even said it.

Tim Winders: 00:21:31

almost is like you feel as if it wasn't a success, but God's got

Tim Winders: 00:21:35

you right where He wanted you.

Tim Winders: 00:21:36

It's just maybe it looked a little different.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:41

Yes.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:42

Redefining success.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:45

That, that would be a conversation I have had with the Lord regularly because.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:50

And, you know, he's very kind, right?

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:53

But there will be times where I'm like, I am an efficient person.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:56

I like things to get done.

Amy Lykosh: 00:21:58

Can we please just go straight and stop all of this curving?

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:01

And, so we were having this conversation because I also know that Just because

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:05

it's the shortest distance that sometimes if you're going up a mountain,

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:08

you actually want the switchbacks.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:10

It makes it easier.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:11

And I was like, okay, I can receive that Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:13

That's fine.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:14

You know, I'm still maybe not like the most, like I'm

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:16

loving this conversation Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:18

And all of a sudden he was like, yeah, but also sometimes there are quantum leaps.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:23

And I was like, touché touché.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:26

Yes.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:26

And so just that sense of like, You think that this is the shortest

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:30

distance, but the Lord has actually sometimes these just like, I'm not

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:35

going to say magical, but things at the quantum level kind of are magical.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:39

So, anyway, I like the idea of redefining success because it is, It isn't

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:45

exactly what you would always think.

Amy Lykosh: 00:22:46

So,

Tim Winders: 00:22:47

so,

Tim Winders: 00:22:47

so one would hear, and again, my lifestyle is, is similar.

Tim Winders: 00:22:51

We have similar story.

Tim Winders: 00:22:52

One, one might hear things like homeschool, homeopathy, living

Tim Winders: 00:22:56

in small space, you know, hearing from the Lord, things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:23:01

And they might use the word.

Tim Winders: 00:23:04

That's not very traditional or normal.

Tim Winders: 00:23:07

They could also use the word weird.

Tim Winders: 00:23:09

They could say that because a lot of, I mean, I remember in the nineties,

Tim Winders: 00:23:13

having both my parents who were educators and we decided to homeschool.

Tim Winders: 00:23:17

It was a very heated conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:23:20

It sounds like you came, you were in that environment anyway, but.

Tim Winders: 00:23:25

If someone, this is, I'm sort of egging you a little bit.

Tim Winders: 00:23:29

If someone were to say, yeah, that's some weird stuff.

Tim Winders: 00:23:33

Homeschooling and non pharmaceutical homeopathy healing and prayer and

Tim Winders: 00:23:40

business, it's like, man, you got some weird stuff going on, Amy.

Tim Winders: 00:23:44

How, I just said it.

Tim Winders: 00:23:46

So how do you respond to me?

Amy Lykosh: 00:23:50

Well, this is so funny that you asked me that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:23:52

I was actually having a conversation with the Lord about this pretty

Amy Lykosh: 00:23:55

recently also, because I was like, Lord, your servants are very odd.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:00

They're just weird people.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:01

And he said, yeah, I mean, it's true.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:04

And I said, well, does it have to be like that?

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:07

I mean, at some point can we, be like just on the normal end of

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:11

weird and not like super weird?

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:13

I would be okay with that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:14

and he said the beautiful thing about people who are weird is

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:18

that, the beautiful thing about my followers is that they are willing

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:22

to do things that most people don't.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:24

They're willing to push into new territories in different ways.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:28

And when I think if you look at the scriptures, the people who were really

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:32

following the Lord were not necessarily the ones who would have fit in.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:36

I think he just has a lot of pleasure in the people who are a little bit more

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:39

on the fringe, we could say, but it's also, I just feel like he has such a

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:43

heart of compassion really for everyone.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:45

But this is part of also why I'm like, I just love entrepreneurs and business

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:48

people because there often is such a.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:51

An internal drive to say, I'm, I'm trying something new.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:55

I'm going in a new direction.

Amy Lykosh: 00:24:57

I'm not actually willing to just accept the status quo.

Amy Lykosh: 00:25:00

And they're often just a little bit more interesting, right?

Amy Lykosh: 00:25:02

I love that sense of always after the next thing or pursuing

Amy Lykosh: 00:25:06

something else that's interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:25:08

again, this is.

Tim Winders: 00:25:10

From one weird to another weird.

Tim Winders: 00:25:12

I mean,

Tim Winders: 00:25:13

we live in it.

Tim Winders: 00:25:14

We live, yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:25:15

And it's like, which then means, are we that weird?

Tim Winders: 00:25:18

If there's multiples that can talk about similar topics that we'll call it culture.

Tim Winders: 00:25:26

The word I use is Babylon, just so you know.

Amy Lykosh: 00:25:28

Okay, that's

Tim Winders: 00:25:29

and kingdom is

Tim Winders: 00:25:31

another word I'll use is where I, I reside

Tim Winders: 00:25:35

or spend most of my time, even though that we're still operating in and

Tim Winders: 00:25:39

around a Babylonian structure also.

Tim Winders: 00:25:42

But I, I do sort of embrace it.

Tim Winders: 00:25:48

And at times I wonder

Tim Winders: 00:25:49

if I embrace it with a little bit too much glee and pride.

Amy Lykosh: 00:25:57

I would say I try not to think about me too much because that's

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:03

kind of like a never ending rabbit hole.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:06

So I probably am more like, I really just want to be where the Lord has me.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:11

And I think it's, I'm probably in a season right now where the verse that

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:16

comes to mind again and again, speaking of Babylon, is when Jeremiah writes to

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:20

the early exiles, because in the book of Jeremiah the Babylonians come and kind

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:23

of take away the cream of the crop, but they leave some semblance of a structure.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:27

And then, Foolishly, they rebel and then the Babylonians are like, your time

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:31

is done and they wipe everybody out.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:32

But in that interim period, the people who had already been carried off to Babylon

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:36

were kind of like, why are we here?

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:38

We want to go back to Jerusalem.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:39

That's where our home is.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:41

And Jeremiah writes to them.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:42

And he was like, no, like you're going to be there a while, stay there, settle down.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:46

Plant your fields and crops.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:48

And then he says, pray for the peace of the city and the word

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:52

peace, it's the word Shalom.

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:53

So it's like, pray for the wellbeing, pray for the wholeness of the city,

Amy Lykosh: 00:26:57

because in its peace and its wholeness and its wellbeing, you find your peace,

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:01

your wholeness or your wellbeing.

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:03

And so I, for me, that sits really well because it allows me to be like, kind of

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:09

like the people of Judah who were carried into, captivity and are living in Babylon.

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:15

They get to be the odd ones, but they're also, they're not

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:17

hating on the Babylonians.

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:19

They're not like, these are awful people, stay away.

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:21

It's like, no, I'm actually wanting really good things for you too.

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:25

So I don't know if that's exactly answering your question, but I would

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:28

say that for me is the helpful place of both being in the Babylonian

Amy Lykosh: 00:27:33

culture, but also saying that I get to merge to my own drummer.

Tim Winders: 00:27:37

The reason I love that response is that the Lord was speaking

Tim Winders: 00:27:40

something similar to me a few days ago in my quiet time out behind the RV.

Tim Winders: 00:27:45

We've got a sitting area out back and I'll go out early in the morning and like

Tim Winders: 00:27:50

we're apt to do, we'll ask questions like, Lord, what would you have me to do today?

Tim Winders: 00:27:54

What would different things like that?

Tim Winders: 00:27:57

And, and I felt as if this was the way it was worded to me.

Tim Winders: 00:28:01

And it sounds similar to what you said was that you are pursuing after my piece.

Tim Winders: 00:28:09

And, and I'm, I've been exposed recently.

Tim Winders: 00:28:11

There's a lot of new clients and businesses that I'm going in by the way.

Tim Winders: 00:28:15

I'm an engineer from Georgia tech.

Tim Winders: 00:28:17

So maybe it, it, it helps.

Tim Winders: 00:28:18

I don't know.

Tim Winders: 00:28:19

and, and I felt that the Lord said, you're going into places

Tim Winders: 00:28:23

and you're bringing my peace.

Tim Winders: 00:28:26

And, and, I received that.

Tim Winders: 00:28:29

I don't understand totally.

Tim Winders: 00:28:31

And I'm, you know, I'm just, I know that I'm supposed to go in

Tim Winders: 00:28:34

and, you know, maybe pray more.

Tim Winders: 00:28:36

Is what I'm probably going to be learning in this conversation or, or,

Tim Winders: 00:28:42

you know, introducing prayer more.

Tim Winders: 00:28:45

and so that really leads to a couple of things before we kind of go deep into

Tim Winders: 00:28:51

how are you praying within businesses?

Tim Winders: 00:28:54

And you notice, I

Tim Winders: 00:28:55

notice, I continue teasing people that we're going to probably

Tim Winders: 00:28:58

do that towards the end here.

Tim Winders: 00:29:00

I, I have noticed.

Tim Winders: 00:29:05

I have a personality.

Tim Winders: 00:29:08

I don't want to say it makes it difficult for me to pray.

Tim Winders: 00:29:10

That doesn't sound good, but I'm wired to be an entrepreneur.

Tim Winders: 00:29:15

I'm a business guy and usually go is my mode.

Tim Winders: 00:29:21

There's a reason that we're titled seek go create.

Tim Winders: 00:29:27

There's a reason for that.

Tim Winders: 00:29:29

Do you find that a lot of people, I don't want to say they aren't wired to

Tim Winders: 00:29:37

just sit down and be quiet and still and commune or talk or listen or whatever.

Tim Winders: 00:29:43

Tell me more about that.

Tim Winders: 00:29:45

And then I'm going to go ahead and telegraph.

Tim Winders: 00:29:46

My follow up question is how have you developed.

Tim Winders: 00:29:50

That or have you always been that way?

Tim Winders: 00:29:52

So However, you want to address that that's where i'd like

Tim Winders: 00:29:55

for us to go for a few minutes

Amy Lykosh: 00:29:58

So first of all, you're not odd.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:02

I was reading C.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:03

Peter Wagner's book, Prayer Shield and C.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:05

Peter Wagner, probably he was a professor.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:07

I think he was at Fuller in Southern California and he

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:12

basically studied how people prayed.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:15

And what he found was that in any given church body, somewhere between five

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:19

and 10 percent were the praying people.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:21

And everybody else was.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:23

just kind of like normal people.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:24

And then he did a survey of, you know, like, how many minutes a day do you pray?

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:28

I think maybe he just surveyed pastors actually.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:30

So it could be like the highest level of holiness here.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:33

said very tongue in cheek, but basically most of the people were like, maybe

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:38

18 minutes was kind of the average.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:40

And which meant that there were some people who are praying longer and a

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:42

lot who are not praying even 18 minutes and basically what he said was, he

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:47

made a very beautiful argument for why prayer or intercession is probably

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:52

one of the gifts of the spirit.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:53

His basic argument was.

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:55

because Paul has a list of different spiritual gifts in different locations

Amy Lykosh: 00:30:59

in the scriptures and they don't always overlap and they're kind of some places

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:02

there is some overlap and there is not it was kind of like there's just gifts and so

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:07

prayer certainly could be one of the gifts of the spirit so if you're not willing

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:11

to go there that is extra scriptural so it's You don't have to follow

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:14

Peter Wagner in that line of thought, but basically, he was like, we don't try to

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:18

make everybody be pastors, you know, there is a pastoral gift, and so then to say,

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:23

well, if there's a prayer gift, it doesn't mean that we don't all pray, just like if

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:28

a pastor's thing is to shepherd and guide.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:31

Like we are, as parents, we want to be shepherding and guiding and pastoring.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:35

And that way our children, but it doesn't mean that that's our

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:37

role in the larger body of Christ.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:40

Just like, you know, there's some people evangelists, they will

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:43

go and like the sky cap, who's helping them with their luggage.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:46

Like they lead them to the Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:47

It takes them 15 seconds.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:49

And you're like, well, that would be amazing.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:51

That just isn't my gift.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:52

And so to be able to say, you know what, It doesn't mean that we

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:57

don't ever talk about our faith.

Amy Lykosh: 00:31:58

It just means we don't have the gift of evangelism.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:00

So with prayer, I feel like Oh no, like everybody should, we should pray.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:05

We should talk to the Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:06

That's part of what we're supposed to do, but to say, I just actually

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:10

don't feel compelled to spend an hour with him every day that like,

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:14

please be at peace with that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:15

That's actually pretty normal.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:17

And

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:18

it was for me as a prayer person, like an hour a day by

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:22

myself is kind of my minimum.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:23

if I don't get that, I start to get a little bit edgy It

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:26

was hilarious to me to read C.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:28

Peter Wagner's description of his first time trying to pray for an hour, you

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:32

know, where it was like, I was really in it as, as deeply as I could be.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:36

And then, you know, he maybe even said that it was like worse than watching

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:40

his wife in labor, just like, woe is me.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:43

This is really, really hard.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:44

So I guess.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:46

Anybody who finds it difficult to pray, especially for a

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:48

long time, just be at peace.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:51

So that's the first thing.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:52

And then you also asked, how did I develop my own prayer capability?

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:58

And that's a really beautiful question.

Amy Lykosh: 00:32:59

I would say there's a very long backstory because I did step away

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:04

from prayer for eight years because it completely freaked me out.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:07

but once the Lord called me back to prayer, I basically just said,

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:10

I'm going to, my goal is to pray more this month than last month.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:15

And so if I was praying, you know, a few minutes a day, then I wanted to

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:19

just pray like a few more minutes a day.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:21

And then at some point I kind of just like fell into the pool and

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:25

was like, well, here I just am.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:26

But, it really started with just saying, I'm going to be

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:29

intentional and just start praying.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:31

Slow and a little bit and be okay with even a little bit and not beat

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:34

myself up that it's not an hour that I'm not on a silent retreat all day.

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:38

Like I was a nun like that's okay.

Tim Winders: 00:33:41

Well, what's interesting about it?

Tim Winders: 00:33:42

Just there's a name that came to my mind john michael talbot that we interviewed

Amy Lykosh: 00:33:47

Mm hmm.

Tim Winders: 00:33:48

A number of months

Tim Winders: 00:33:49

back.

Tim Winders: 00:33:49

Yeah, and he's

Tim Winders: 00:33:50

um, he lives he's not a monk, but he lives a monastic Life is what he

Tim Winders: 00:33:56

talks about and he just Literally slight exaggeration, but he talked

Tim Winders: 00:34:00

about just being days You in prayer.

Tim Winders: 00:34:04

And, I appreciated it.

Tim Winders: 00:34:07

I just couldn't quite imagine it.

Tim Winders: 00:34:09

I mean, he invited me, he said, Hey, you got your RV come hang out with us here

Tim Winders: 00:34:13

at our, you know, our, our place here.

Tim Winders: 00:34:15

And, you know, you could, you know, join up and everything.

Tim Winders: 00:34:18

I'm like going, yeah, okay.

Tim Winders: 00:34:22

Like it was a beautiful conversation just about being still and quiet for long.

Tim Winders: 00:34:28

Periods of time.

Tim Winders: 00:34:29

I, one more sort of background ish question, Amy, you'd mentioned

Tim Winders: 00:34:35

kind of missionary growing up.

Tim Winders: 00:34:38

You had mentioned, I think your parents had business and all of that.

Tim Winders: 00:34:43

When, when were you trying to think of exactly how I want to

Tim Winders: 00:34:49

drill down on this question?

Tim Winders: 00:34:51

When did you become aware of You mentioned it at the beginning, but give me an

Tim Winders: 00:34:56

age or a, or a situation or something that you sort of became aware of, like,

Tim Winders: 00:35:01

okay, there's something bigger than me.

Tim Winders: 00:35:03

And, and, you know, I joke with people, you weren't saved at birth because

Tim Winders: 00:35:08

you were a missionary, were you?

Tim Winders: 00:35:09

That's pathology, by the way, I'm not.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:14

It is bad theology

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:17

So because I did grow up in a very beautiful godly family and I guess

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:23

I For me, what I would say is when I was five, I went up to the upper bunk

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:27

and I just laid on the bunk and said, God, I can't do it by myself anymore.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:31

Please help.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:32

And so for me, that was kind of my moment, I guess, of coming to the Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:36

But of course, the walk with God is not ever a moment.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:39

It's like, that's the beginning.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:40

And then you just walk with the Lord.

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:42

So, I've had very beautiful mentors along the way who've helped guide

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:46

and, shape and inform my life,

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:48

I guess I feel like the fact that I even thought to ask that at 5

Amy Lykosh: 00:35:51

shows that I had some awareness.

Tim Winders: 00:35:53

the thing that I like about that response, I, I know that

Tim Winders: 00:35:57

there are people that have an event, but I look at life more as a process.

Tim Winders: 00:36:03

Maybe it's my engineering.

Tim Winders: 00:36:04

I don't know.

Tim Winders: 00:36:05

It's just like, there's a process and we're going through this process for our

Tim Winders: 00:36:09

time here and it's got moments, it's got maybe some stops and starts and forward

Tim Winders: 00:36:15

and backwards and things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:36:18

As we were talking about prayer, the word intercessor came to mind and I served

Tim Winders: 00:36:23

on the board of a ministry, I actually still do, that for a season this, this

Tim Winders: 00:36:29

ministry had some intercessors and weekly there was an email that went to

Tim Winders: 00:36:34

the intercessors to be praying for this or doing that So as we kind of moved

Tim Winders: 00:36:39

Back towards the business conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:36:44

Tell me if there's a difference, if that's just nomenclature, what, how does

Tim Winders: 00:36:49

intercessor fit in with the conversation that we're having here about prayer?

Tim Winders: 00:36:55

And then in a little moment, you know, in a moment, prayer in the workplace.

Amy Lykosh: 00:36:59

Yeah, that's a great question.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:01

So, part of the challenge of prayer is that I don't feel like

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:06

the church necessarily has a super great definition of even what it is.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:10

And so that's been a big part of my journey for the last six years is saying

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:14

like, what am I even talking about here?

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:18

And then you add on a word like intercessor, which is

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:20

like about as churchy of a word as you could possibly get.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:23

And so, yes, big sigh here, but.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:27

Okay.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:27

So the beautiful thing of what you just shared about your, the organization

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:31

with which you're on the board where they had people who would pray and you

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:35

would send out emails to me, I would describe those that as a prayer shield.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:39

They're serving as like, we are praying for this organization or for the needs

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:43

of this organization as it Like we are locking our shields together in

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:47

order to offer protection in many ways.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:49

That's what I would say.

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:50

We, that's how we seek to serve for our clients, that we are a prayer shield,

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:55

that they don't have to try to go out and find the intercessors or find the people

Amy Lykosh: 00:37:58

of prayer to do that on their behalf.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:00

It's like, no, this is, we've been trained.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:02

This is what we do.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:03

And we love it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:04

So,

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:04

kind of like we're the people who are like signing up, like we're on, we're praying

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:08

for an hour a day just because we love it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:10

Let us do that for you.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:12

So, that would be just a little side note, but an intercessor,

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:15

by definition, an intercessor is somebody who's standing in the gap.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:19

And so, an advocate is a, another word that, we sometimes can see, or it's a

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:24

synonym when you look at the definition.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:26

And so, if you think about legally, the advocate is like the

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:29

lawyer who's arguing the case.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:30

Between the person who's guilty or hopefully not guilty and the judge.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:34

And then, for in the realm of prayer, the intercessor is the one who's like, Hey, I

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:38

can see that there is stability in heaven and that there's shakiness on earth.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:42

And I want to bring that stability of heaven to the shakiness of earth.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:45

I want to stand there in the gap and say, Hey God, are you

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:49

looking at this situation?

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:50

We need you to come and change this situation.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:52

So that's, it's just basically somebody who's there to pray

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:56

on behalf of somebody else.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:57

So, we do plenty of prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:38:59

That is, there's a whole bunch of different ways of praying.

Amy Lykosh: 00:39:03

So there's, that's not the only form of prayer that we do, but I would

Amy Lykosh: 00:39:05

define intercession as specifically that kind of standing in the gap

Amy Lykosh: 00:39:09

where you're not asking for yourself.

Amy Lykosh: 00:39:11

You're asking on somebody else's behalf,

Tim Winders: 00:39:13

Right.

Tim Winders: 00:39:14

So, this is going to back up to the things you said at the beginning, At

Tim Winders: 00:39:19

some point, you became connected to what is called now Workplace Prayer.

Tim Winders: 00:39:26

And I think you mentioned, Bob, that was maybe already doing something somewhere.

Tim Winders: 00:39:31

I saw Perry Marshall's name and Perry Marshall.

Tim Winders: 00:39:36

Yeah, Perry was a guest on our podcast back in.

Tim Winders: 00:39:39

I actually pulled it up before this August of 2020, August 10th.

Tim Winders: 00:39:43

For anybody who wants to circle back in Perry and I.

Tim Winders: 00:39:46

Have interacted with each other.

Tim Winders: 00:39:48

I mean, not always in a strong way, but like 20 years ago, he came to my home

Tim Winders: 00:39:53

back in Georgia and also, I'm familiar

Tim Winders: 00:39:56

with Perry and his, memos from the main home office and,

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:01

head office.

Tim Winders: 00:40:02

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:40:02

Things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:40:03

Let's let's.

Tim Winders: 00:40:05

Go back or let's start and talk about kind of how, you know, again, you

Tim Winders: 00:40:11

got involved with what we're calling workplace prayer and give any of the

Tim Winders: 00:40:17

background or origins of the organization that you feel like you need to.

Tim Winders: 00:40:21

So someone can kind of understand that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:25

So I felt like the Lord called me out of my mostly

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:29

prayerless state in intercession.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:31

July of 2018 and that was when I started saying, like, I'm just going to pray a

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:34

little bit more and a little bit more.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:36

And then in, March of 2019, I was driving up to drop off my homeopathy

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:42

final, getting ready to keep going.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:43

And I felt like Lord said, start a prayer challenge.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:45

And I was like, okay, like that's kind of like an email sequence where

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:49

you can get, emails about prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:50

So I went and for probably six months I researched all of the materials

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:54

that I already had on prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:55

Trying to find.

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:56

Basically what it ended up being single sentence prayers to

Amy Lykosh: 00:40:59

pray as you go about your day.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:00

And I was like, that's awesome.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:01

Let's get these out there.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:03

That will be great.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:04

And so I launched it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:05

And the first round I had five people go through, it was my mom, my sister,

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:09

one friend and two people I bribed.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:11

And every one of them sent me beautiful messages at some point in the next 21 days

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:16

where they were like, this is actually changing my life, which that's fantastic.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:20

But then there's like that weeping of like,

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:25

And so I actually, I met Perry Marshall, I went to an event of his in September

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:29

of 2019 and I had a question for him.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:32

I mean, I was there not, this was like a over dinner asking it, you

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:36

know, after hours kind of question.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:38

And so I said, how do I market something as unpopular as prayer?

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:41

And he had this amazing off the cuff, hilarious response because

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:45

this is the kind of person he is.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:47

But his more serious answer was.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:49

Find somebody to pray for your business.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:51

And I was like, well, that is a non traditional, very out

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:54

of the box thing to ask about.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:55

So that's when I actually went, started looking for prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:41:58

So it was kind of, yes, it was for my parents business, but it

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:01

was also for my own business.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:03

And so Bob had, Bob Perry had been praying for businesses, for

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:07

maybe a few months at that point.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:09

And it took me a while.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:10

So I didn't actually meet him until, May of 2020 and then he started praying

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:15

for my parents business and just like our family and such in June of 2020 and

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:19

it was Kind of midway through the month where I was like, I want to join you.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:23

This needs to be bigger.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:24

Partially I had been looking for per coverage for nine months.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:27

Like I just am wanting this so much.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:30

And so when I finally found somebody who not only was willing, but it

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:33

was actually super good at it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:34

No, I was like, everybody in the world should want this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:37

Let's do this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:38

And so when I found out it was just him, I was like, well, that no,

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:43

I have administrative giftings.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:44

I am.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:45

very passionate about this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:46

I have a lot of energy, like let's go for it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:49

I don't actually even remember what the name of his business was.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:51

It was not as memorable as workplace prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:53

So we formed workplace prayer together.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:56

And then, it was actually right around four years ago.

Amy Lykosh: 00:42:58

Labor Day weekend of 2020, we had enough, we actually got one big

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:04

client who was enough for me to step away from working as I had been.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:07

So, yeah, thank you for asking.

Tim Winders: 00:43:09

Yeah, very good.

Tim Winders: 00:43:10

So there's, I want to go down that path, but there's one thing I want to kind

Tim Winders: 00:43:13

of Connect the dot you've mentioned your parents business a few times.

Tim Winders: 00:43:20

Give me just a real quick.

Tim Winders: 00:43:21

So, and you, and you mentioned in homeschool, I believe is that still exist?

Tim Winders: 00:43:25

Tell me about it.

Tim Winders: 00:43:26

Cause it seems like it's not a small operation.

Tim Winders: 00:43:29

Am I picking up on something

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:31

Oh, that is, that's true.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:33

So they started sunlight curriculum, which is a literature rich homeschool company.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:38

And so, yeah, it's, it is definitely still around.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:40

very thankful for that because that's how we educate our own children.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:44

So, a lot of books and so, yeah, I love sunlight.

Tim Winders: 00:43:47

Very good.

Tim Winders: 00:43:47

And you've been associated, you've done some stuff for that organization.

Tim Winders: 00:43:51

are you still associated?

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:52

Yeah.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:53

So, no, I worked very happily with them from the time I graduated.

Amy Lykosh: 00:43:57

I mean, summers and part time at different times, but, no, I mean, from 2001, when

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:03

I graduated from college up until 2020, and I truly never thought I would leave.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:07

I had no idea.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:08

Just, I loved working with them and, you know, family business, it's very fun.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:14

So having a shift to praying for business was, that was a

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:17

very hard right turn in my life.

Tim Winders: 00:44:19

Family business is fun.

Tim Winders: 00:44:21

That's one word.

Tim Winders: 00:44:23

There's a lot of challenges with family businesses.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:26

It is true.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:27

I read children's books as part of my job.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:29

Like that's pretty amazing.

Tim Winders: 00:44:31

Oh my gosh.

Tim Winders: 00:44:32

That's like one of these jobs, like Testing chocolate or something like that.

Tim Winders: 00:44:37

It's like,

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:38

Oh, this is what I know.

Amy Lykosh: 00:44:41

So for me to change away and prayer, it was truly like, wow, did not see that one

Tim Winders: 00:44:47

uh, So thank you for allowing me to backtrack slightly, but yeah, that

Tim Winders: 00:44:52

is, I've actually heard of that company.

Tim Winders: 00:44:54

So that's awesome.

Tim Winders: 00:44:56

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:44:56

So you started and you mentioned this, so I'm going to go here now.

Tim Winders: 00:45:02

That is that you started the business of Workplace Prayer.

Tim Winders: 00:45:08

And you got a client that allowed you to leave your job.

Tim Winders: 00:45:13

So all of that implies that there is money changing hands.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:20

true.

Tim Winders: 00:45:20

is that an accurate statement?

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:23

That is an accurate statement, indeed.

Tim Winders: 00:45:25

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:45:26

Tell me more about how that

Tim Winders: 00:45:29

works.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:31

well, so practically, we pretty much just say, if you would

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:34

like to partner with us, we can figure out how to make that happen.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:37

So this is not like a, we want to price gouge or anything else.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:42

I guess I don't think though you were just asking practically.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:46

I think there was probably like, ethically,

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:48

how do you handle

Tim Winders: 00:45:49

there, yeah, I, I'm, I'm, I'm going to see how far you

Tim Winders: 00:45:52

go and I may dig a little more.

Tim Winders: 00:45:54

you go as far as you want I'll see if it satisfies me.

Tim Winders: 00:45:56

And

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:58

Okay.

Amy Lykosh: 00:45:59

So basically, when I was asking people to pray for, pray for me, for my

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:05

business, I had said, like, I would really like to hire you to do this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:09

And the first response I got was, you know, the scripture says freely,

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:12

you've received, really give.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:14

I'm really not comfortable with that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:16

My parents have been paying their staff on the clock for 30 years to

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:19

pray for business, their business.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:21

And the Lord has completely blessed it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:24

It was not an part of that, you know, for them, it was an ethical issue.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:28

Like we're asking our, our, employees to come in and spend some of their time.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:33

Why would we ask them to volunteer?

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:35

Like, first of all, who's going to pick them up?

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:37

They might volunteer for a week, but this is not going to be something

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:39

ongoing, Like I actually, this is, I'm asking them to pray for my benefit.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:46

Let me actually compensate them for their time.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:49

And one of my friends said something like, we're not asking

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:52

people to pay for the gift.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:53

Like the gift of God is the gift of God, but this is actually

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:56

what we do in order to live.

Amy Lykosh: 00:46:58

And so there is, financially, that actually just makes sense.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:02

But as I also thought, even about that passage, freely you've received,

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:06

freely give, that's in the context of Jesus sending out his disciples in

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:10

order to go and spread the good news.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:12

And so part of the instructions when they went out is, he said, When you

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:17

go into somebody's house, stay with them as long as they're willing

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:20

to host you and then bless them.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:23

And I was thinking about this because I was like, okay, so

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:25

they're getting lodging and food.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:26

So they're getting their, their needs are being supplied.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:29

If you were traveling, that would be like your hotel and your restaurant

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:32

meals, or, just, you know, as a, as a person, it's going to be your

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:36

mortgage and your food, your bills.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:38

But then what they were offering, I was like, do I think that a blessing from the

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:43

disciples who had walked with Jesus would be more valuable than the cost of like

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:48

sharing a bed and giving them some food?

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:50

And it was kind of like a no brainer, like, of course, that's

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:54

going to be more valuable.

Amy Lykosh: 00:47:55

So even the idea of freely receive, freely give, There is, on some level, even

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:01

though it would not have necessarily been like, here's some coins, it's, there is

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:05

an exchange of value that's happening.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:07

So, in that passage, exchange of value.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:09

It also kind of blows my mind, when you look in the Old Testament, I realize

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:14

that Old Testament prophecy is not going to be exactly the same as like,

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:17

Now in current day, paying for prayer, but there is at least a bit of a

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:24

correlation because when Saul's donkeys had gone missing, he was like, okay,

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:29

where, where can we find the donkeys?

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:31

You know, he and his servant had looked all over and then they're like, well,

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:33

we're getting close to the community.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:35

We're so close.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:36

Samuel lives and Saul was like, well, we can't go to him

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:39

cause I don't have any money.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:40

And his servant was like, well, I have some money.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:42

We can go and get a prophetic word from Samuel.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:44

So there actually is like in the scriptures, there's at least a

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:47

little hint that people in order to get prophetic words from Samuel

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:50

just like paid him some money.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:51

So that's, that's maybe a little bit unexpected.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:55

I would say.

Amy Lykosh: 00:48:56

as a modern evangelical, probably part of the reason why paying for prayer can

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:01

be a little bit dicey is we can think about Martin Luther and his 95 theses.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:06

And part of the challenge of that entire era of Christian history is that you had

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:12

the Catholics who are kind of like, I'm going to just sell you some indulgences.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:15

So I think we have this kind of like paying for prayer is like deeply

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:19

embedded in our ethics and our mindset sort of like, well, we so I

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:24

would agree with tha get to buy your way out o by the blood of Jesus.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:31

So pay from an indulgent stan actually going to work.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:35

B Just the time that is spent.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:40

We recognize that this is the thing we pay our janitors at the church.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:44

We pay our pastors and part of pastoral care is usually praying for the people

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:48

if they're in the hospital or pay praying during a sermon, you know,

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:51

no, we're not like, well, that part of your sermon, we're going to make

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:54

sure that we don't cover that one, you know, that that would be nonsensical.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:57

So, okay.

Amy Lykosh: 00:49:58

That would be my initial answer.

Tim Winders: 00:50:00

all of that is extremely valuable as, as you were talking, I'm

Tim Winders: 00:50:03

just sitting here going, you know, I, at the heart, I call myself a coach.

Tim Winders: 00:50:08

I believe that's what I was created for.

Amy Lykosh: 00:50:09

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:50:11

and there are times that I'll communicate and interact with

Tim Winders: 00:50:13

people and there will not be any.

Tim Winders: 00:50:16

We'll call it a transaction.

Tim Winders: 00:50:18

But then there are other times that I do it.

Tim Winders: 00:50:20

And I mean, I've been working with organizations for a long period of time,

Tim Winders: 00:50:23

and there's money that changes hands.

Tim Winders: 00:50:27

Part of the thing that I have told people before is like, do you want to

Tim Winders: 00:50:32

just interact with me from time to time?

Tim Winders: 00:50:34

Or do you want dedicated?

Tim Winders: 00:50:36

Do you want a sliver of my time that's dedicated to you?

Tim Winders: 00:50:41

Because I do think that there's something that goes with that.

Tim Winders: 00:50:46

And I sort of think of this in the same way.

Tim Winders: 00:50:49

Would that be a way to think about it?

Tim Winders: 00:50:51

If I'm like business owners, like I want Amy blank dedicated per week, per

Tim Winders: 00:51:00

month or whatever, does that make sense?

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:04

Absolutely.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:04

So that, that's one of the ways that Bob talks about it, where he said everybody

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:10

would love to have prayer, right?

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:12

Like everybody would like that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:14

How do we know where it, where the Lord is even inviting us to

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:17

focus our attention in this season?

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:20

And part of that is like, Oh, the people who are willing to say like, I would be

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:22

happy to partner with you financially.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:24

So it allows us actually to focus in a little bit on where.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:29

Like, where are we even supposed to be focusing?

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:32

So yes, that's a huge part of it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:34

It's also just like, one of our clients and friends, he's like, no,

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:38

you want the person who spent the time and figured out how to do it and

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:41

put in their 10, 000 hours, that's the person you want praying for you.

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:44

So let's bless the person who has actually spent that time and allow them

Amy Lykosh: 00:51:49

to do what they're excellent at doing.

Tim Winders: 00:51:51

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:51:51

And I mean, I'm guessing there's some skills, there's some muscle, sister

Tim Winders: 00:51:56

Susie, she prays loud at church.

Tim Winders: 00:51:59

I don't think I want her necessarily coming in my business and, you know,

Tim Winders: 00:52:03

casting out, plucking up, you know, throwing things around, running

Tim Winders: 00:52:06

around the maybe, I don't know.

Tim Winders: 00:52:08

But, I'm guessing there's a skillset.

Tim Winders: 00:52:10

There's probably some knowing how to handle things within a

Tim Winders: 00:52:14

business setting, that's important.

Tim Winders: 00:52:18

Yes.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:20

Yes, absolutely.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:21

So part of what I really appreciate that Bob brought from the very

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:25

beginning, because at this point, Bob and I are the only ones who are

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:28

full time in the business, but we have a team of over 20 at this point.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:32

So we have people who pray for at least an hour a day.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:37

Bob and I pray together over the phone every day as well.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:40

And so there's, there's like multiple levels of prayer, but we also have, a

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:44

prophetic team so we just, we have a lot of people who work with us who also

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:48

help to carry the businesses in prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:50

And so part of that is just saying, we value all of this and we want to

Amy Lykosh: 00:52:56

release that more into the businesses.

Tim Winders: 00:52:59

All right, we're, I'm sitting here watching time going,

Tim Winders: 00:53:02

man, there's a couple of things I'd really love to go deeper in, but

Tim Winders: 00:53:05

there's at least a few things I want us to get in before we finish up.

Tim Winders: 00:53:09

the the first thing is I would like for you to tell me what

Tim Winders: 00:53:14

an engagement might look like.

Tim Winders: 00:53:16

and if there's geography involved, y'all do it virtually.

Tim Winders: 00:53:20

what practically does

Tim Winders: 00:53:21

it look

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:22

a thing.

Tim Winders: 00:53:22

you know, and I did look around at like, you know,

Tim Winders: 00:53:24

how much you charge and it sounds like y'all just do it by proposal.

Tim Winders: 00:53:27

And there's some discussion there, but give me a practical.

Tim Winders: 00:53:31

And then I've got another question before we might wrap up.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:35

Okay.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:36

So practically we recognize that people are busy.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:39

So our ideal is when people partner with us, we send them an intake

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:44

form and we're like, what is it that you would like prayer for?

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:47

And then our clients are welcome to update as often as possible.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:50

So I'm personally a client.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:52

So I make sure that I'm.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:53

Emailing every week.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:55

I'm like, these are the requests that I have.

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:56

These are the praises that I had last week, but a lot of

Amy Lykosh: 00:53:59

our clients don't do that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:00

In fact, we've had clients who have never, actually submitted an intake

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:04

form, but we asked them and they're like, no, no, we're seeing answers.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:07

You know, there's a sense of like, somebody has our back,

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:10

which I think is fantastic.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:12

We do have corporate calls that we do twice a week.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:15

Initially had that just for our team.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:17

we call them advocates, our advocate team, but then after a while, our

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:21

clients were kind of like, we want more.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:22

And so now we have any, any clients who want to be on, it's not a requirement,

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:26

but it's more like Bob especially has trained for over 40 years and

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:31

really how to be excellent in prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:33

And so it's almost, I view it as a tremendous privilege to be able to be

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:37

on a call with him and hear what, He's thinking and hear how he's praying.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:41

And he has a very simple format that he, invites that is very easy.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:45

Any people for their first time can come on and feel like I can pray

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:48

maybe not with complete confidence, but at least somewhat confident.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:52

And then, depending on what level people partner with us, they get

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:55

a monthly prophetic word because ideally, we think about that as like.

Amy Lykosh: 00:54:59

Our business owners are like the kings, if we could be serving more like priests,

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:03

but then the prophets are important too.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:05

So kind of, just like David at the height of his, kingdom, his

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:09

ideal was when he had prophet, priest, king, all working together.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:13

So, practically, I guess that's probably the basics there.

Tim Winders: 00:55:16

Very good.

Tim Winders: 00:55:17

And then the other, this is, going to be an extremely crass

Tim Winders: 00:55:20

question, but business people

Tim Winders: 00:55:24

love ROI.

Tim Winders: 00:55:27

so I'm not going to ask an ROI question, but I'm going to ask maybe

Tim Winders: 00:55:30

just for a story or two that might be,

Tim Winders: 00:55:35

I don't know, success or a result.

Tim Winders: 00:55:37

And some of this, you may or may not be able to share details.

Tim Winders: 00:55:39

give me an example of how this has played out.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:44

Yeah.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:44

So I would say, I would love to be able to say like every client we've

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:48

ever prayed for has an amazing ROI.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:51

That would not be true.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:53

And so really what we say is like, we pray and we are faithful in prayer.

Amy Lykosh: 00:55:58

And then like, that's, that's all that we can guarantee, obviously.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:03

a couple of favorite stories, one of our clients is in real estate and

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:06

he had a deal that was about to go through and then it completely died.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:10

Like, Completely died.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:12

And he was like, what just happened?

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:13

So we prayed about it.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:15

And not only did the Lord resurrect the deal, which truly like, it

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:18

literally was like a resurrection.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:20

but then it also closed in a week, which was way faster

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:23

than anybody had been thinking.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:25

And what was going to be, I think it was going to be 125, 000 tax bill.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:30

At the last minute, somebody found this tremendous loophole and save them 85, 000.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:35

So, you know, it's kind of like, well, that would pay our fee for

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:37

like many, many years, maybe decades.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:38

So hallelujah for that.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:39

That's fantastic.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:41

But then another one of my, this is probably for me, one of my favorites,

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:44

just because it's so outside the box.

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:47

one of our clients had, Large scale organic farm and so they with our own

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:54

farming experience, not large scale but small, but I was there was a day I

Amy Lykosh: 00:56:58

was down praying and I was like, Lord, I know that there are issues anytime

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:03

there's heavy equipment, there's just.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:04

Things can happen.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:06

And I probably recorded a message for our clients like, Hey, this is what

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:09

I'm thinking about you right now.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:10

This is what I'm praying for.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:12

Sent it off.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:12

Didn't really think much of it because again, you know, if you're

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:15

farming, it's kind of like every day you're using big equipment.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:17

It just is a thing.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:18

Well, I found out later.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:21

that day, maybe even around that time, their very beloved

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:25

farm manager, who is amazing.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:27

He had been somehow working with the potato digger and got caught in

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:31

the chain and was being pulled like where his body was off the ground.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:36

And people like some of the other staff are watching this, like

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:39

there were witnesses to this.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:40

And he said, and then somehow I came loose and it should have

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:43

taken my head off, which is like, literally he, he should have had a

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:47

very gruesome death, but he didn't.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:49

And so the farm, like is not only preserved of the trauma

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:52

of losing an employee, but also a very critical employee.

Amy Lykosh: 00:57:56

And so that was, that's not really like a specific ROI, but that's

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:00

maybe more like, it was a person, a person is still alive on this earth.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:04

It was very

Tim Winders: 00:58:05

Yeah, I think what it tells me is that ROI is not always

Tim Winders: 00:58:08

a spreadsheet or a financial return.

Tim Winders: 00:58:12

Amy, If someone wants.

Tim Winders: 00:58:15

More if they want more information or they want to ask questions or they want

Tim Winders: 00:58:20

to check up on you or or find out more Tell people where to go give them website

Tim Winders: 00:58:25

or wherever they need to connect with you And and what we'll do is we will

Tim Winders: 00:58:30

make sure we include all that down in the notes So where does someone need to go?

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:35

Oh, so just workplacepro.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:37

com would be fantastic.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:39

That's going to be the easiest.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:40

Thank you.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:40

If you want to get the 21 day single sentence prayers to pray as you go

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:44

about your day, that is available.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:46

It's at praybig.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:47

me slash refresh because it was a prayer refresh.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:51

So praybig.

Amy Lykosh: 00:58:52

me slash refresh.

Tim Winders: 00:58:54

Excellent.

Tim Winders: 00:58:54

And that's where someone would go if they just want to, get more information.

Tim Winders: 00:58:59

All right, great.

Tim Winders: 00:59:00

We are seek, go create Amy, those three words.

Tim Winders: 00:59:04

So with my final question here, I'm going to allow you to pick one of those.

Tim Winders: 00:59:08

Seek, go or create, which one do you choose and why?

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:14

Oh, thank you.

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:16

So I love the word create because as a writer, primarily, I started journaling

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:23

about my experience living on the land.

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:25

And then, at this point, I just try to write some every day.

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:30

If I'm not traveling, so creating, answering questions, trying to really

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:34

figure out what it is that I'm thinking, mostly in the realm of prayer, but

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:37

sometimes in other directions as well.

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:39

I just think the Lord is a creator God, and so we get to

Amy Lykosh: 00:59:43

partner with Him in creativity because we are made in His image.

Tim Winders: 00:59:47

Amy, thank you, man.

Tim Winders: 00:59:48

What a great conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:59:49

I've loved all this weird stuff we've talked about.

Tim Winders: 00:59:53

And, I think it's been a lot of fun.

Tim Winders: 00:59:55

Make sure if you've listened in and you're just intrigued or concerned or

Tim Winders: 00:59:59

whatever it is, just go, go check it out.

Tim Winders: 01:00:01

I've actually, I've got the website pulled up here, Workplace Prayer, dot

Tim Winders: 01:00:05

com make sure you go check that out.

Tim Winders: 01:00:07

I appreciate this conversation we have here at Seat.

Tim Winders: 01:00:10

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Tim Winders: 01:00:13

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Tim Winders: 01:00:16

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Tim Winders: 01:00:17

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Tim Winders: 01:00:25

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