Healing Through Horses: Kim Tschirret on Faith, Leadership, and Resilience at Hope Reins

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We don't have to be everybody's thing, like

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go find your thing, right?

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What has God wired you to be passionate and care about, right?

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Whether that's the homeless or building wells in Africa or kids in crisis

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and then go, go there and go deep and give and be a part of that community.

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You

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Can a horse change a life?

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Today on SeatGoCreate, The Leadership Journey, we welcome Kim Charette, founder

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and CEO of Hope Reigns, a sanctuary where healing and hope meet through the

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connection between children and horses.

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Born from hEr own experience of abuse and finding solace with her horse

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country, Kim has transformed her pain into purpose, creating a 38 acre ranch

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in Raleigh, North Carolina, that has touched the lives of over 3, 000 children.

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Join us as Kim discusses how resilience is built through relationships, both

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human and equine, and shares her insights on the power of equine therapy.

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The intersection of faith and mental health and the leadership lessons

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learned from running a nonprofit that offers healing all free of charge.

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Kim, welcome to Seek Go Create.

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Thank you, Tim.

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I'm very excited to be

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here.

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that you're here too.

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My first question, is, When someone asks you what you do, what do you tell them?

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I have the privilege of helping kids heal from their

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trauma using horses of all things.

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And when you say that, what do people say?

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They say, wow, tell me about that.

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How does that even work?

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tell, tell me more.

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Tell me more.

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And and so one of the things that's fascinating,

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there's like multiple things that interest and intrigue me about this.

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And so what I'm going to attempt to do in our time together is try

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to connect some of those dots.

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But

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I think the first thing that comes up when someone says that is, how'd you

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get into that, which I know involves a lot of story and background.

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So how did one get involved with that?

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That

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Yeah.

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Well, do you want me to start with where we started or back in my childhood?

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You know, why don't you start with how you

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started and then we'll back up

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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So, I had felt for a while that God had something for me to do.

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And, I had gone to a, women's retreat where the question was asked, What

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is something that you used to love to do that you don't do anymore?

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And, for some reason, horses popped into my head, So I just started to

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kind of pursue that a little bit.

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And I thought, okay, God, am I supposed to buy a horse?

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I started taking riding lessons again.

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I started over kind of a two year period of really seeking the Lord, praying,

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kind of waiting to see what he had.

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And I ended up, in 2009 finding a book about an organization in

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Oregon that was Kids and teens in crisis with rescued horses and this

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beautiful healing was happening and given my personal background,

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I was like, okay, God, this is it.

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I know this is it.

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So that's, that's how we got started.

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I read a book and, God flew the doors open and we've been running

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to keep up ever since for 15 years.

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I was about to ask kind of put a time step on it.

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So you're so you're around the 15 year mark Which means

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you're out of startup stage And, and you've kind of even gone through

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the stage of going through a few ups and downs and cycles, I'm guessing

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from a leadership standpoint.

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And what

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state, how would you define the current stage you're at, at the 15 year mark if,

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and whatever words come to mind are fine.

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It's not like a hard and fast, but what stage would you say you're

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at with the organization now?

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Well, I think we're maturing.

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We're a mature organization, but God is calling us to grow to help serve more

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kids, but not in a way that I think most businesses would think of growing.

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So it's a unique opportunity and unique way to grow.

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Do you feel pressure to grow or it's just time or

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what's the word behind that?

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Well, it's been probably seven or eight years since

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God gave us this big vision of true hope and real healing for every child.

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And initially, we said, No, we're like, God, we're in Raleigh.

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How is every child going to happen, with our location?

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what we didn't know is that this, book, Joey, that's about our beginnings and

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one of our rescued horses that was blinded from starvation was going to come

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out and become a national bestseller.

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And we've had all these people calling us and saying, will you help us get started?

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So It's been happening, and we're just starting to execute on the plan to help

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launch some additional ranches for more kids to have access to hope and healing.

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we're going to, Back up in a moment because I know your story your

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background and the work you're doing with horses fit together I will say

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nicely You just brought up something.

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I know a lot of listeners are leaders.

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They do strategy.

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I'm a strategic coach I work with organizations and What we will often do

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kim and I know you've got a background in this area too Is that we will

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sit down and develop strategy for?

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Growing and it'll include marketing and how do we get the word out and

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all of those things and all that's good I'm, not saying anything against

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it, but it appears as if there was no strategy around this book joey It

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appears as if even the author and and you i'm gonna let you tell the story

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it appears as if This literally was a gift from god that came to you and So I know

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I know you've got a business background and I also know you're a person of faith.

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And so can you kind of tie those things together?

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Because it seems as if something that you had really very little control

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over, very little thought into is something that's really sprinkled

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gasoline on this fire that you had

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that was going

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Yeah.

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Well, we always say as a leadership team that we have seen and experienced

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over the years that God gives us the vision, And then there's

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always a time period of waiting.

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it doesn't matter whatever new initiative he's taking us on.

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He gives us the vision and then we have to wait for a little while.

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And so, we've kind of gotten used to that.

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But yeah, at the time we were a small organization.

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And when this volunteer came and said, I want to write a book

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about Joey, I was like, sure.

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You know, unknown author, never published a book.

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it's a very powerful story.

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Joey was blinded from starvation.

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He was an alternate to the Olympics, at one point in his life.

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And, Tyndale fell in love with the story.

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They've never, they never work with unknown authors.

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So you can see how this is like, it's only God, like we can only point and

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go, okay, God, you totally did this.

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And then it's sold over a hundred thousand copies and.

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become a national bestseller and touch so many people's lives.

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And we get notes from around the world of people that have read

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the book and it's touched them and they want to make a donation.

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you know, we, at the time kind of on the heels of Joey had been

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feeling the pressure of the mental health crisis for kids, right.

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And how are we going to.

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Grow and expand and serve more kids because what we're doing really

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works and that's when these phone calls started to come about, will

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you, will you help me get started?

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And we have a very replicatable proven, not only program process, but

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business process, like a very specific business process that we run on.

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And, we wrestled for a long time.

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We asked ourselves a lot of questions and really.

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The board wrestled.

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We all prayed and really felt like we even had a donor that offered us land to

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franchise and it just wasn't right for us.

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So it's not about hope reigns glory.

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It's about the Lord.

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So this is our strategy and our direction.

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We're going to keep serving the kids at our ranch, and we're building this academy

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to train other people so that they can have hope and healing in their community.

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let me

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attempt to stay focused on, the order I'd like to go.

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first of all, I'm going to ask it in maybe a different way.

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I already think I know the answer to this, but I'm.

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Going to just state what I heard.

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There wasn't a strategy meeting where y'all are sitting there going We need

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to get more exposure Let's commission someone to write a book and that book

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is going to sell a bunch of copies and it's going to spread our nets wide so

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that we can Communicate with more people that wasn't on the radar at all, correct?

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Not at all.

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Was there even any hesitation when you said it was a volunteer?

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I guess it was someone who had volunteered in the organization.

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Was there any

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hesitation saying, you know, what if they don't do a good job?

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What if it comes across as a negative?

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Was there any thought in that arena at all?

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I honestly and I and she and I have had this conversation.

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I didn't even think the book would come out.

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I mean, it was such a long shot that that somebody who had never written a book

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before was going to write a book and this is back before like anybody can write

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a book today and you just publish it.

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I mean, that wasn't really a thing.

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This has been six or seven years ago, so I didn't even think it was

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going to come out, you know, And so, and then when she drafted it, you

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know, I thought it was, it was great.

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It's really the beginnings of Hope Reigns and our ups and downs.

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So, I mean, it's a very, it's a vulnerable book for us and for me.

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So, but it's a very beautiful story.

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and yeah, it's really impacted a lot of people.

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I also want to say, and you may have the statistics, I don't

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know the exact statistics, but there's a lot of books that get released,

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like you said, and there's a lot of

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books that get released, formal publishing, self publishing, etc.

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And we do know how many books most of those sell, right?

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Mm hmm.

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I mean, I don't want to burst anybody's bubble that might

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be listening in, but most books sell a handful, less than a hundred.

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And did I hear you say a hundred thousand copies?

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Over a hundred thousand

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So, so phenomenal.

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All right.

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So, so I've circled around and we've kind of come to this.

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Okay.

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We, we can say that there was nothing other than God's

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hand was in that

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Yeah.

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And then I think God had been planting for a while in our hearts this idea

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of, you know, helping others or giving away what he's given us, right?

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And that sort got fueled and, and then there were many, many years,

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like I said, where we were going, what are we going to do with this?

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So, yeah.

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All right, so then that ties into the other thing.

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I think I was able to keep it in my head so that I could pull it back out.

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And that is just something that we talk about quite a bit here is the difference

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between what I'll call the, the way of the kingdom of God, and then the way

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of the world system.

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And we can talk about business principles.

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We can talk about the way business works.

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Y'all mentioned franchise in your board meeting, you said in

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your, in your leadership team.

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And I think one of the things that is a challenge for people in a role

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like you're in, I'm in, others, people that I work with, is, you know, we're

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citizens of this kingdom of God that has But yet we still are functioning,

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living, hanging out in this world system.

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And so, I actually was bringing all that up to do kind of a follow up to the

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discussion about the growth expansion.

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You mentioned franchise.

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And

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I actually just had a conversation with a client for two days.

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We were doing our core foundation session and they're growing tremendously.

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But what are some other things that you can share from y'all's

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brainstorming from your

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Yeah, like how we made the decision.

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So we're,

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instead of franchising, we're replicating.

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That's really

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It's that I will often use the word duplicating.

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I'll look at business

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models often and I'll say, is this duplicatable?

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Is that, would you say that's the

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same word, similar word?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Replicate, duplicate.

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Yeah, because we just didn't, you know, franchising is just

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a whole beast in and of itself.

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And then you're managing all that and you're making sure everybody's

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doing exactly what you said.

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and who are we to say that we have the perfect right way to do anything?

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You know, I mean, we just really, you know, we have our three year plan.

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that we execute on yearly, right?

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put together through a lot of prayer and seeking God what

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we think he wants us to do.

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And then we execute on our plan and we leave things a little open because

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he might change some things, right?

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Or he might slow some things down.

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And so it's, it's really trying to discern, God, where are you?

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And there are some things that have happened over the years.

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That I know we're headed in the wrong direction.

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Like when I'm banging my head against the wall and I'm trying

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to make something happen, it's like, Ooh, are you in this God?

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Like, where are you?

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You know?

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And, and then there's the enemy.

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It's a hard walk and really discerning where you are.

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So one thing, and we'll get into this shortly, Kim, is I know

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your background is one that you felt strongly about achieving, performing.

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the reason I know a good bit about that is that my wife, Kami Came from a similar

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situation and you know, we could use words like, in fact, we were just talking out

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back of our RV here earlier, kind of in me, easing into this conversation was

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that, you know, control being in control of situations is also a byproduct of that.

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And I'm teasing a little bit of the conversation you are about

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to have about your background.

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absolutely.

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the reason I bring it up here when we're talking about leadership,

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leading an organization, and then you brought up that you have a three

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year plan, but you keep it loose and flexible and you're expanding, you're

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duplicating or replicating this model to other places, often control Is

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lost when that happens and it can make

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people uncomfortable if they have On the spectrum a higher level of control.

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How's that been for you?

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Knowing that some of that's in your past.

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I'm not saying you're that way now, even though

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Mm hmm.

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Sometimes we have that it's part of what helps us succeed

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Yes.

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can be our kryptonite if we allow it to talk a little

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bit about your journey In that

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space, how

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Yeah, we were about four to five years into creating

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her brains and I was so exhausted.

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I had two little kids and everybody knows startup is hard and I one day thought

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I was having a heart attack and ended up going to the ER I was having panic

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attacks, And what I realized in that process is that I was still performing.

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And I was driving myself to accomplish because I wasn't worthy in and of myself,

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And so that's my value performance.

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and yes, control, because I thought I knew the way things needed to happen,

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because that's all about safety for me.

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If I know what's going to happen, if I can predict, then I'm going

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to feel safe and secure, right?

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So that's just been a huge obstacle for me personally to overcome.

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and as an organization, we're very, I mean, driving is in our DNA.

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we are not, low achieving people, so it's a hard mix, right?

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But, you know, I think that, I've gotten better over the years.

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It's not something I don't think I'm ever going to get over, so to speak.

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But, yeah,

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do you balance this is a great conversation that I want to state

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right here was not on my mind when we first started, but this is powerful for

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leaders because there's so many people that are leading from the place that

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you're you're in how do you balance?

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Pace you just mentioned you were Going at a pace that led to some

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anxiety and things like that I think a lot of leaders are either there

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or close to that right now

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Yep.

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And one of the things with the team I just recently met with I wrote

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it on an index card early in the process.

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They were such a fast moving organization.

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I wrote slow down With even the few days that we were spending together

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and I kept it in front of me the whole time it was very Awkward at

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times because they struggle with slowing down, but we needed to.

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So talk, I mean, all of that to say, just talk about pace.

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What is your

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personal pace?

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What is the

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pace of the organization?

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I mean, because you have what I would call a very.

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Patient requiring, I don't want to say product, ministry, role, whatever you do.

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It's not like, it's not like y'all are churning through thousands

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of people on a weekly basis.

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So pace, that's the topic.

Tim Winders: 00:17:40

Anything that the Lord

Tim Winders: 00:17:41

leads you to say about that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:17:42

Yeah, well, it's so fascinating to him because this is

Kim Tschirret: 00:17:45

where our horses teach us so much, you know, and I think as far as pace goes,

Kim Tschirret: 00:17:50

like we've been in different places for pace, like building, growing, driving.

Kim Tschirret: 00:17:55

Right now, we are, really kind of slowing down to go fast, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:00

We're slowing down.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:01

We're assessing where we are so that we can build.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:05

Build any additional resources or, internal capacity, so that

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:10

we can continue our expansion.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:13

we have a very special culture, and that is really important to us.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:16

Our staff, we have a 94 percent engagement rate with our staff, and, it's comes

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:22

from our core values and that we really live and breathe our core values, being

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:26

authentic, Sharing our story, you know, Jesus heals a lot of different things.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:31

But, I think when you talk about pace, with the kind of, equine

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:37

therapy that we do, right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:38

Which is about relationship.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:40

Where our horses are not here to perform, they don't have a task to do.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:45

Their job is to connect relationally and emotionally and

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:48

be present with these kids, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:51

And for us to facilitate that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:53

And in our line of work, you don't go in and drive a horse, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:18:58

So the pace and the way you present yourself really is going to determine

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:04

What's going to happen, whether they're going to want to engage with you or not.

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:07

Because if you're all harried and running and stressed out and you come up to

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:13

them, they are going to be like, whoa, I want nothing to do with you today

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:16

because you are completely unregulated.

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:19

Right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:20

So it's just really important internally what's happening with us.

Kim Tschirret: 00:19:25

and yeah, we learn a lot from our horses in that way.

Tim Winders: 00:19:28

Very good.

Tim Winders: 00:19:29

And so let's start connecting a few other dots here.

Tim Winders: 00:19:33

You mentioned that you are in the space that you're in because

Tim Winders: 00:19:41

somewhere in your past you had interest or connected with horses.

Tim Winders: 00:19:48

And then you also said that what you do with the children that come

Tim Winders: 00:19:54

through also is related to your past.

Tim Winders: 00:19:57

So let's jump back whatever you believe with the line of questioning

Tim Winders: 00:20:01

and the pace and all that we're doing with this conversation.

Tim Winders: 00:20:04

However you would like to tell that story, let's, let's go ahead and share that now.

Tim Winders: 00:20:10

Kim's background and how how this all what was going on before hope reigns

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:17

Oh yeah, well, I, grew up in Ohio in an upper middle class home

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:22

that looked really great on the outside.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:24

my dad was a very successful businessman and it just looked really good.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:28

But what people didn't know is on the inside, it was not good.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:32

he was an alcoholic and very emotionally and verbally abusive and we just never

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:38

knew what was coming through the door.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:39

You know, the garage door would go up and it was just all of us were like, Huh.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:43

You know, what's, what's coming through that door.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:46

And, there was just never any rhyme or reason.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:48

And, we were never allowed to talk about it.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:50

You know, anybody who, has addiction in their life knows it's very

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:54

hidden and it's very shameful.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:56

And I really grew up feeling crazy.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:58

Like.

Kim Tschirret: 00:20:59

I knew something wasn't right, but we weren't allowed to talk

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:02

about how it wasn't right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:03

And I think a lot of kids, in my position, they either, go internally, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:09

They, they implode and sort of, you know, just go inside

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:13

themselves, or they perform.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:15

And I totally went the performance route, because I just tried everything I could

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:20

to get my dad's, love and attention.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:23

Which never really worked.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:24

and, for some reason, I think it was because it looked good.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:28

He ended up buying me a horse and, he ended up buying me this really, for my

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:34

first horse was just this Morgan horse that I just had fun with, which I loved.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:38

And then when we moved from Ohio to Oklahoma, he bought me this

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:41

really expensive show horse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:43

And I loved that horse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:44

And, you know, the, the barn was like the place where I felt safe.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:50

It was a place of comfort for me, and my horse was really the only

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:53

thing I ever whispered my secrets to of what was happening in my life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:21:57

but because he bought me a show horse, I had to sort of perform in that, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:02

I had to go into the show ring and perform, which wasn't what I wanted.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:05

Like, if I had my druthers, I would just hang out with my horse, play with my

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:09

horse, and relationally connect with my horse, which is exactly what we do today.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:16

Brains, um, which is really crazy.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:19

But, I sold my horse, where my dad sold my horse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:22

And I went to college, where my dad wanted me to go to, and I ended up

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:25

studying marketing because my sister did that and I didn't know what else.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:28

and so embarked on a marketing career that I think I was pretty successful at,

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:32

worked at a lot of, smaller businesses, during the dot com boom, companies that

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:37

went IPO or got sold and really learned so much about, Business and marketing.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:44

And, then I started to get this poll from God, I went through so much of

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:49

my life, Tim, I'm sure maybe some of your listeners can relate to this.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:52

My life was this when, then.

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:55

Like when this happens, then I'm going to be happy, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:22:58

When I move, then I'm going to be happy when I have this relationship, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:01

And there was always this emptiness inside of me, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:04

Because I had no value as a human being, and didn't feel loved for who I was.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:08

this is, when God really started pursuing me, and I ended up finding Jesus after

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:13

I got married and my husband and I moved to Raleigh and that was the catalyst.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:17

I always said, I'm never going to drive a minivan and I'm never

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:20

going to stay home with my kids.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:21

And guess what happened?

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:23

Because my work was empty.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:24

I was just making other people a lot of money.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:27

And so I stayed home for a period of time.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:30

And then that ties into the tail end of what I shared with you about when God

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:34

started to really resurrect this or plant this dream, in me to help other kids.

Tim Winders: 00:23:39

Was there any component of faith During your growing up years at all

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:45

No, I mean we would go to church because it

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:48

looked good, like Christmas, Easter, but it was always a fight.

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:51

Like there was always this argument, are we going or are we not going?

Kim Tschirret: 00:23:54

So, I didn't have any connection to a faith, when I was a child.

Tim Winders: 00:23:59

there was the, I'm, I'm going to use two words and you correct

Tim Winders: 00:24:04

me if these are incorrect words, but this is how I've been defining a lot

Tim Winders: 00:24:08

of things with a lot of spiritual studies and things that I've been doing.

Tim Winders: 00:24:12

There's chaos and there's peace.

Tim Winders: 00:24:14

One of the things that Jesus says is that He brings His peace.

Tim Winders: 00:24:18

And there's a lot to that.

Tim Winders: 00:24:20

I also think that peace is a word in our current modern day culture.

Tim Winders: 00:24:23

We may not even have a good grasp of it.

Tim Winders: 00:24:26

We think world peace.

Tim Winders: 00:24:27

We think peace between countries,

Kim Tschirret: 00:24:28

hmm.

Tim Winders: 00:24:29

harmony, things like that.

Tim Winders: 00:24:31

But truthfully, I think the foundation of peace is peace between.

Tim Winders: 00:24:35

Us and God and then other things spill

Tim Winders: 00:24:37

from there.

Tim Winders: 00:24:37

But anyway, so he brings our peace But it sounds as if and I know this from

Tim Winders: 00:24:42

speaking with my wife because she was the Child of alcoholic parents went

Tim Winders: 00:24:46

through divorce suicide attempts from her mother a lot of stuff like that

Tim Winders: 00:24:50

I didn't it sounded a little flippant the way I said that I did not mean

Tim Winders: 00:24:53

for it to come across that way I'm

Kim Tschirret: 00:24:54

yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:24:55

giving facts

Kim Tschirret: 00:24:57

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:24:58

Did you find peace in the barn?

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:02

Yes, that's what I found in the barn.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:04

It was, it's like the things that we teach people, that our horses

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:07

teach us now, is being still, being present, slowing down, like way down.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:14

these are the principles, these are the truths of horses, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:18

Doing everything, everything is about relationship and connection first.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:23

Always about relationship first.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:24

And so, That's what I was experiencing and what I wanted, but wasn't allowed.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:30

I was only allowed snippets of it, you know, at the time that I could grab it.

Tim Winders: 00:25:35

So, is it possible?

Tim Winders: 00:25:36

I'm about to try to connect something that maybe we shouldn't, but was Jesus

Tim Winders: 00:25:43

in your life in the barn at a time that you may not have had Jesus in your life?

Tim Winders: 00:25:49

Right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:50

sure.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:51

I mean, who could make up this?

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:52

This is all God's plan.

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:54

I know Jesus was with me, you know, I just didn't know it at the time, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:25:58

Because this horse and this connection was a gift that he planted in my heart

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:04

of something that I'm so passionate about that I now want other people

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:08

to be able to enjoy and experience.

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:09

And that's all we do at our ranch.

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:11

showing and performing is great with horses, it's just not what we do.

Tim Winders: 00:26:15

So, all right, there's an exercise that you brought up that

Tim Winders: 00:26:20

is sort of like in between here.

Tim Winders: 00:26:22

And I think I may have heard you on another podcast mentioned this,

Tim Winders: 00:26:25

but you said that you were asked, I don't know if it was a Bible study

Tim Winders: 00:26:29

or if you were in some counseling or

Tim Winders: 00:26:30

something like that, something

Tim Winders: 00:26:32

like what is something that you once enjoyed doing or the anyway,

Tim Winders: 00:26:38

I've kind of gotten it started.

Tim Winders: 00:26:39

So tell that again and, and then I've got something I want to ask about it.

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:47

Yeah, so we were at a women's retreat and the woman asked

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:51

the question to all of us, what is something that you used to love

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:54

to do that you don't do anymore?

Kim Tschirret: 00:26:56

And I think as women, we wear so many hats, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:00

We multitask, we raise our kids, a lot of us work.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:03

I mean, it's, and then we get lost in the shuffle.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:06

You know, and I think you can even say that for men.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:08

You know, we don't value ourselves.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:10

We don't put our, self care.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:12

first and live out of that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:14

We empty ourselves first.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:17

Right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:17

And so I think her point was, like, are you enjoying your life?

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:21

Like, do you have a passion?

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:23

Do you have something that that's fun that brings you joy and brings you life

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:26

right outside of your normal duties?

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:31

And that's just when horses popped into my head.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:33

And honestly, I hadn't thought about it since I sold my horse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:36

that would have been 25 years, you know?

Kim Tschirret: 00:27:39

So yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:27:41

Do you,

Tim Winders: 00:27:41

here's the reason I bring it up that obviously was an event.

Tim Winders: 00:27:46

It was a time it's probably been at least 15 years ago because it was before this

Tim Winders: 00:27:52

current, this current project iteration was started.

Tim Winders: 00:27:57

Is that something that we need to ask ourselves more often?

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:01

It is something we need to, and I think it's, a different question

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:04

for different seasons of life, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:05

Because when you're young and you're staying at home with your kids, that

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:08

can look really different than my phase, which is an empty nester, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:13

I think God gives all of us passions.

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:15

in fact, I talked to our donors about this a lot, like we don't

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:18

have to be everybody's thing, like go find your thing, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:22

What has God wired you to be passionate and care about, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:25

Whether that's the homeless or building wells in Africa or kids in crisis

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:30

and then go, go there and go deep and give and be a part of that community.

Tim Winders: 00:28:36

So as you first realized something with horses was part of maybe

Tim Winders: 00:28:44

an assignment that you had, but also it was part of your healing process.

Kim Tschirret: 00:28:50

hmm.

Tim Winders: 00:28:51

Anything that you want to share about that, and then we're probably

Tim Winders: 00:28:55

going to talk more about organization.

Tim Winders: 00:28:56

But to me, it's so fascinating that this story is about Kim.

Tim Winders: 00:29:02

And it's about a ministry and an organization.

Tim Winders: 00:29:06

That's the way God

Tim Winders: 00:29:06

works too.

Tim Winders: 00:29:07

It's like we think it's what we do for the world and the impact and all this kind of

Tim Winders: 00:29:11

stuff when at the end of the day there may be a time in this next

Tim Winders: 00:29:16

realm where God just whispers in your ear, you hear, Kim, just so you

Tim Winders: 00:29:19

know, all this was just about you.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:23

Yeah.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:23

Well, I actually had to wrestle with that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:25

we brought in a specific horse that was the kind of horse I grew up riding that

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:31

I really wanted to have in our program.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:32

And everybody was like, Kim, she's not going to work in our program,

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:35

and tried for several years.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:37

And what I didn't realize is that she was for me.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:41

She was not for the ministry, but I couldn't receive her.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:44

For me, So it's been such a healing journey for me.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:47

It still is.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:48

And our staff will say that and our volunteers will say that

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:51

because so many times we come to something like, Oh, I'm here.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:55

I'm going to help you.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:56

I'm going to do all this stuff.

Kim Tschirret: 00:29:58

And you don't realize like, we say around our ranch, we're all session kids and

Kim Tschirret: 00:30:03

God wants true hope and real healing for us as much as he does for our kids.

Kim Tschirret: 00:30:08

And that's what ends up happening when we really lean into.

Kim Tschirret: 00:30:12

The way our program is structured and the skills that we're building that

Kim Tschirret: 00:30:16

horses teach us and that healing happens.

Kim Tschirret: 00:30:18

You can't help but experience that yourself.

Tim Winders: 00:30:21

that's getting larger,

Tim Winders: 00:30:25

how Do we, do you keep in mind that, you know, this is about the impact.

Tim Winders: 00:30:34

This is about the big vision.

Tim Winders: 00:30:35

It is about the mission, but there's also Kim that's part of this.

Tim Winders: 00:30:41

how do you do that?

Tim Winders: 00:30:42

let me ask it this way.

Tim Winders: 00:30:43

How are you doing with that right now?

Tim Winders: 00:30:46

Are you hyper focused on organization or are you still very keenly aware of.

Tim Winders: 00:30:56

Your soul, your heart, your mind, you know, anyway, is that an okay question?

Tim Winders: 00:31:02

And

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:03

Absolutely.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:03

And I think, you know, my role is changing a lot and my role has continued to

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:08

change, you know, throughout the years.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:09

I'm like our visionary.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:11

I'm the one that's Thinking about the future and where are we going and

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:14

meeting with donors and making sure all of our money comes in I Have a

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:18

fantastic COO Who's our integrator, she's the one who can go Kim that's not

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:24

happening or Kim that can happen, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:26

and so she's kind of like the filter and she manages all the staff and

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:29

the leadership team We're really in a phase where we're really continuing

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:32

to raise up I'm really stepping more out because I'm really working on

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:38

this future, this future vision.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:40

Which is really, really exciting for me, and it's kind of weird and scary, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:45

I think because we're in a place with the organization really slowing down,

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:50

I've realized over the last however many years that I haven't been doing

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:54

a good job taking care of myself.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:55

so, my self care is my number one priority.

Kim Tschirret: 00:31:59

It's God and then it's Kim.

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:00

It's not God and then Kim.

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:02

My marriage and Hope Reigns and my kids and I get mixed in there somewhere.

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:07

I'm really making a concerted effort, to execute a really strong self

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:10

care plan, which is going to make me a better leader, a better wife,

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:14

a better mom, a better everything.

Tim Winders: 00:32:17

How much time do you actually spend in the barn?

Tim Winders: 00:32:22

Do,

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:22

you mean me

Tim Winders: 00:32:23

do, yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:32:23

and the barn is a bit of a metaphor here for what,

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:28

you mean like what I did

Tim Winders: 00:32:29

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:32:29

It's like, you know, there was a, there was obviously that was a place of peace.

Tim Winders: 00:32:33

That was where Jesus met you.

Tim Winders: 00:32:37

And then later in life you realized that was a connection.

Tim Winders: 00:32:39

And then now there's an organization around all of that

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:43

Yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:32:44

and you're raising money and you're doing the

Tim Winders: 00:32:46

podcast and blah, blah, blah.

Tim Winders: 00:32:48

I mean, all, listen,

Tim Winders: 00:32:49

leaders, the people listening in going, Oh boy.

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:52

yeah,

Tim Winders: 00:32:52

how often are you spending it

Tim Winders: 00:32:54

in the, proverbial barn maybe?

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:55

Well, the literal of that is the horse I mentioned that we

Kim Tschirret: 00:32:59

brought in, we ended up determining she wasn't a good fit to be at Hope Reins.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:03

And thankfully, one of our board members lives right around the corner

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:07

and she has her own rescued horses.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:08

And so she lives, her name is Selah.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:10

She lives there.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:12

And that's my space and my place.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:14

And it's actually so much better for me because then I don't have to be

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:18

like, I love being at Hope Reins.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:19

It's so great, but it's people are always, Hey, what's going on?

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:22

You know what I mean?

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:23

It's not the place where I can just stop and have that moment.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:26

And so I go out and see her several times a week and we hang out

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:30

and, and that's, that's my time.

Kim Tschirret: 00:33:33

That's my connection.

Tim Winders: 00:33:34

What does that do for the rest of your week

Tim Winders: 00:33:38

when you spend that time?

Tim Winders: 00:33:39

And what does it do for your week when you don't spend that time?

Tim Winders: 00:33:44

Contrast the two.

Tim Winders: 00:33:46

And the reason I'm digging on this while you're pausing, I am seeing in the world

Tim Winders: 00:33:52

that we are currently in, leaders that would consider themselves a faith, let's

Tim Winders: 00:33:57

say kingdom of God, that this topic is.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:01

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:34:02

are they finding their peace because they're they're generating

Tim Winders: 00:34:05

a lot There's a lot of chaos and all the rest of the organization.

Tim Winders: 00:34:08

So contrast the two I mean, do you notice anything like oh, this is what I notice

Tim Winders: 00:34:12

here and you don't have to make it up If there's no difference i'm cool with that,

Tim Winders: 00:34:15

too

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:16

no.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:16

And it's really more than just going in.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:18

It's more than barn time.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:20

But if you're using barn time as an analogy of like.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:23

My time with God, like

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:24

my solitude, my silence, my connection,

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:27

that is every morning, 5.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:29

30, 6 a.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:30

m.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:31

and a not rushed time and man, when it's not happening, I

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:36

feel it, after a day or two.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:39

So it's, it's so vital because.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:42

How else can you get alone and really know what, what God is showing you,

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:46

you know, where he wants you to go.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:47

I'm, I'm marinating in Psalm 25 right now, just talking about the steadfast love

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:53

and the mercy of God, and just waiting on him and making my path straight Lord.

Kim Tschirret: 00:34:58

And, you know, I've done.

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:01

running ahead of God For a long time and I don't want to do it anymore.

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:06

I just don't have the appetite for that anymore it sucks the

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:08

life out of you And it's just not something i'm interested in it.

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:12

It's not fruitful for me I would much rather slow down keep my connection

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:18

and go wherever it is he wants to go because Then I have stories to share

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:23

with you that you can't make up, you know, because they're they're about god

Kim Tschirret: 00:35:26

They're for his glory and not mine, right?

Tim Winders: 00:35:29

the interesting thing that i've been observing and I get to work

Tim Winders: 00:35:33

with leadership teams So I see this is that the community I don't want to say

Tim Winders: 00:35:39

my time gets magnified or productivity.

Tim Winders: 00:35:44

Well, I don't even say that, you know, in business and leadership.

Tim Winders: 00:35:49

So many times we can get extremely results oriented, you know, we could,

Tim Winders: 00:35:53

you know, like, well, how many, how many horses have you rescued?

Tim Winders: 00:35:56

How many kids, you know, are in the current program and what, how many

Tim Winders: 00:36:00

branches or whatever we're going to call them ranches that, how many do you have?

Tim Winders: 00:36:04

and and yes, I think it's important to know the numbers.

Tim Winders: 00:36:09

But something that's fascinating to me recently is that the less

Tim Winders: 00:36:13

I do or we'll say the more time I spend in the barn During this

Tim Winders: 00:36:16

the more time I spend in the barn

Tim Winders: 00:36:20

the more I look at the the results are popping up that I probably wanted but

Tim Winders: 00:36:28

yet maybe they just Keep happening.

Tim Winders: 00:36:30

It's it's and I believe leaders that consider themselves

Tim Winders: 00:36:35

kingdom minded leaders.

Tim Winders: 00:36:38

That is

Tim Winders: 00:36:38

the most important thing to be doing right now.

Tim Winders: 00:36:42

The still quiet

Tim Winders: 00:36:43

time to know that he is.

Kim Tschirret: 00:36:45

Absolutely, because it really goes back to our motivation,

Kim Tschirret: 00:36:48

and I think as a leader, sometimes it's really hard to realize that your

Kim Tschirret: 00:36:52

motivations are not great, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:36:55

It's, you say you're doing something for God, and yet, You know, where

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:00

is God in what you're doing?

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:02

And why are you killing yourself and driving your team?

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:04

And, you know, so it's hard sometimes.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:07

And it's just, it's part of the growth process.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:10

And I've had that too.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:10

I've had to check my motivations and go, Oh, wow.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:14

Ow, yuck.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:15

This is not, this is not godly at all.

Tim Winders: 00:37:18

So you mentioned that you were trained in marketing and probably

Tim Winders: 00:37:23

have A lot of skills probably can do marketing plans business plans all of

Tim Winders: 00:37:27

that type stuff there a lot of those skills that you learn that are being

Tim Winders: 00:37:34

implemented today in the organization?

Tim Winders: 00:37:37

Are there some are there none?

Tim Winders: 00:37:40

Is it different?

Tim Winders: 00:37:41

give a relationship of Old I want to say old kim Uh

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:47

Yeah.

Tim Winders: 00:37:48

Pre and now Kim running this

Tim Winders: 00:37:50

organization

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:53

Yeah.

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:53

Well, I mean, my background in brand management and brand development and

Kim Tschirret: 00:37:57

product you know, working in that whole crazy dot com boom of, marketing your

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:01

company on TV just to get it sold.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:04

You know, it was just it was a crazy time.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:06

So there was so many different skills that that I learned.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:09

But I think, some of the biggest connections I would make is our brand.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:14

Is really, really important at Hope Brains.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:16

And I say that to mean a lot of different things.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:19

Like the moment somebody steps foot on our property, that's when it starts, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:23

Or they see our website or they receive something in the mail.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:27

So we have a very specific look of our photos and, you know, somebody

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:31

receives something from Hope Brains.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:33

If it didn't have our logo on it, they would know automatically it's us.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:37

even just people will say stepping foot in our property, Tim, it's like, it's clean.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:42

It's calm.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:43

It's safe.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:43

Like the first thing we want a kid to feel when they walk on our

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:46

property is safety because without feeling safe, they can't heal.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:50

Right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:50

And so we just do things with excellence and we take care of what God's given us.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:56

We steward our resources really well.

Kim Tschirret: 00:38:58

And marketing has always been a very important at Hope Reigns.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:02

It is a seat at our leadership table.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:05

And I think a lot of times companies say, Oh, let's cut marketing

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:08

because sales are down or whatever.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:11

and it's just not always the right strategy.

Tim Winders: 00:39:13

or even different is if it's a ministry or if it's something

Tim Winders: 00:39:20

that's in Church world we need to do it differently because we're different.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:28

Marketing happens everywhere.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:30

it's the staff that stops for a moment on a donor tour and introduces them

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:34

to the horse that they're working to.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:35

You know what I mean?

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:36

it's how we answer the phone.

Kim Tschirret: 00:39:37

it's all tied together.

Tim Winders: 00:39:39

Is there anything no different that one does with

Tim Winders: 00:39:43

marketing an organization like this where faith is a component.

Tim Winders: 00:39:48

I mean, I, you don't hide the fact that y'all are followers of Jesus.

Tim Winders: 00:39:52

I'm looking at the website right now.

Tim Winders: 00:39:54

You know, it's not all over the place.

Tim Winders: 00:39:56

But you don't have to do a lot of research To find out it's there Is

Tim Winders: 00:40:01

there anything different that you do you have to consider versus what

Tim Winders: 00:40:04

you did with a dot com company, you know, 25 30 years ago a different way

Tim Winders: 00:40:09

of thinking any strategies that are different anything that comes to mind

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:14

Well, I think, it's funny.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:16

we don't charge our clients for our services.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:19

They're completely free of charge.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:20

number one, because we're faith based and number two, because the majority

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:23

of the kids that we serve live at or below the poverty line and they

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:26

could never afford to go to school.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:28

See a therapist and get any help.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:30

And, we're based solely on donations.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:32

We don't take any government money.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:33

And so we are who we are and either people like that or they don't.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:38

And that's not the way most businesses run, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:41

Because you want to cater to everybody wanting whatever it is that you

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:45

have so that you can be the leader.

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:47

And so we've just learned a long time ago that we, we've really been working to

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:52

connect with people who care about kids and in crisis that have a heart for what

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:56

we do and God always provides, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:40:59

Because then they, they're very passionate.

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:01

They too, most of the time have had their own impact, um,

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:05

story with something traumatic.

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:07

So they get where our kids are and they want to pay it forward.

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:11

I don't know if that answered

Tim Winders: 00:41:12

Yeah, it does because that is

Tim Winders: 00:41:14

a different way of thinking and the ROI is different the ROI to me are

Tim Winders: 00:41:24

some of the stories and I think I've heard some, as we sort of make a little

Tim Winders: 00:41:29

bit of a transition here into talking more about where the Lord has you now

Tim Winders: 00:41:34

with the organization, what are some

Tim Winders: 00:41:36

things that you're looking for?

Tim Winders: 00:41:37

What are opportunities?

Tim Winders: 00:41:38

what are some things that you might have need of?

Tim Winders: 00:41:42

I've heard a story about a horse hero Let's talk about the

Tim Winders: 00:41:46

real returns of what this organization does.

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:50

Yeah, and we're working on a really special project right now,

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:53

our 15th year anniversary, and we have 15 of our adult kids that have been

Kim Tschirret: 00:41:57

through our program that are thriving right now, and I can't wait to be able

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:02

to share all those stories with you.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:03

They're so excited to share where they are today.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:05

the majority of them have said they wouldn't even be alive, you know, or

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:08

where they are without hope brains.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:10

I think the story you're talking about gives a little context

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:12

of what happens in sessions.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:14

Lily was one of our kids that, at the time was five years old.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:18

her mother was a drug addict and overdosing on the couch.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:21

And she called 9 1 1 to get she and her little brother rescued, rescued

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:25

her mom, saved her mom's life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:27

And then, You know, got removed and put into the foster care system, which for

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:31

a lot of kids is not a good situation.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:34

And unfortunately for her little brother, the caregiver was

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:37

keeping him locked in a dog cage.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:39

And this made the news here in Raleigh.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:41

I mean, just horrific abuse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:42

And at five years old, she was so brave to him.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:46

She found an iPad.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:48

She went and took a photo of her brother in this dog cage

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:51

and showed it to a safe adult.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:53

And again, got them rescued.

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:55

And, you know, when the kids come to Hope Reigns, the first things that we do is

Kim Tschirret: 00:42:58

we take them on a tour and we introduce them to all the horses and their stories.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:02

And most of the time a kid will resonate and connect with a certain horse's story.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:06

And then sometimes a horse picks a child.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:09

Lily came that day with her new family.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:12

she and her little brother had been adopted and they came through the

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:15

gate and she literally stood in front of her brother, like protecting him.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:18

Cause this has been her whole life that she's had to take care of.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:21

Protect him, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:23

And, as they started on the tour and they were going down the fence line,

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:26

one of our horses, who was sleeping in his shelter, saw Lily and just made a

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:32

beeline and walked right to her all the way across the paddock, put his head over

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:36

the fence, right on her little chest, and took a big sigh And everybody including

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:42

Lily were, was weeping because here's a little girl that had never been chosen.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:46

She'd never been prioritized.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:47

She's had to fight her whole life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:49

And of course Hero was her horse.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:52

And, this is where the God thing comes.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:54

Because we can't make this up.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:56

We can't make something like that happen.

Kim Tschirret: 00:43:58

And then to process with this girl, Lily, like, you're a hero.

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:03

You saved your mom.

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:05

you saved your brother.

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:06

And who chose you?

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:08

But the horse name Hero, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:09

And so she's either going to run her brain someday, or she's going to be the

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:13

president of the United States because she's so courageous and brave and has

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:17

experienced so much healing out of the ranch and has really built so much

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:20

resiliency to help her into her future.

Kim Tschirret: 00:44:23

And it's just doing so fantastic.

Tim Winders: 00:44:25

You use the word resilience.

Tim Winders: 00:44:29

What's interesting is, I'm just thinking about a recent team that I was working

Tim Winders: 00:44:33

with and I actually use words, I said we need to be a more resilient

Tim Winders: 00:44:40

leadership team.

Tim Winders: 00:44:41

when you use that word, maybe not The way I used it, even though it probably

Tim Winders: 00:44:47

is similar to talk a little bit more about why it's important, maybe even if

Tim Winders: 00:44:52

it had something to do with your story.

Tim Winders: 00:44:54

why is that part of I don't say your marketing that I see?

Tim Winders: 00:44:58

what is resilience come up so often?

Tim Winders: 00:45:00

And what I see when I look at Hope Reigns.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:03

Yeah, well the four things horses teach us trust communication

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:07

boundaries and leadership are the skills that we teach our kids that the resiliency

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:12

skills, and they're all, they're all rooted in scripture and who God says

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:16

we are right, I am safe, I matter.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:19

Um, I'm not alone and I have purpose perfectly aligned with, with these

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:24

four things sources teach us.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:25

And then we discovered, many years ago that Harvard did this huge study on

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:29

kids and trauma and how kids needed to build resiliency and trauma.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:34

That's how you like hope and healing equals resiliency.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:38

And what they found was that kids really needed one safe adult relationship.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:43

There's four skills that they say kids need to build.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:46

We call it the recipe for resilience.

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:48

But it's really, Tim, in the simplest terms, our ability to bounce back, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:54

and where you are bouncing from matters, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:45:57

If you're bouncing from a place of, where you're not healed.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:00

So many kids who don't heal from their trauma become the homeless,

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:03

the incarcerated, the mentally ill, the drug addicted, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:06

So for us, them being able to heal and then onboarding these skills,

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:10

because they're going to have hard things happen in their life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:14

And we want them to always be able to go back to, Oh, I learned these coping

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:18

skills, these really healthy skills.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:21

and take that into my adult life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:23

And so that's why resiliency matters.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:26

And we measure what we value.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:28

We measure hope and healing out at our ranch.

Kim Tschirret: 00:46:30

that's how we know what we do works.

Tim Winders: 00:46:33

And I guess that, that's a powerful word.

Tim Winders: 00:46:36

I love that, you know, hope and healing, and one of the things that's interesting

Tim Winders: 00:46:41

is that in our culture today, you don't have to look around very much and know

Tim Winders: 00:46:44

that there is a lot of hopelessness.

Tim Winders: 00:46:48

And so it is interesting and, you know, we, we haven't mentioned this

Tim Winders: 00:46:51

for those that might be with the audio, but the Hope Reigns is spelled R E

Tim Winders: 00:46:59

I N S for a reason, not R A I N S.

Tim Winders: 00:47:02

Kim, talk about what all goes on with one.

Tim Winders: 00:47:08

You, you've got yours, I guess, your facility, your place in

Tim Winders: 00:47:13

Raleigh there up in North Raleigh.

Tim Winders: 00:47:15

And then we're going to talk about maybe more of the scale aspect,

Tim Winders: 00:47:18

but just give a little bit of information about what happens at one.

Tim Winders: 00:47:23

I'm guessing there's not.

Tim Winders: 00:47:25

thousands that come through there.

Tim Winders: 00:47:27

There may be some

Tim Winders: 00:47:28

numbers that, you know, you can handle this or that, but just give me a little

Tim Winders: 00:47:33

bit of information on one location and then we'll talk about the bigger picture.

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:39

Well, yeah, where we are today, it's very different

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:41

than where we started, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:42

But in a year, we're doing about 3, 000 little over 3,

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:46

000 free of charge sessions.

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:48

And this year we'll serve about 260 kids.

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:51

And so what that looks like is that the kids come weekly.

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:54

Our program starts first with one on one mentorship because,

Kim Tschirret: 00:47:58

again, we have to build safety.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:00

Kids have to feel safe.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:01

They have to build connection and trust.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:03

Trust, boundaries, communication, and leadership are the skills that

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:06

we're working on all the time.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:07

And then they move along our pathway.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:10

And they start building peer relationships and they start,

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:13

you know, with leadership skills.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:15

we have Kids Give Back, which is our volunteer program where

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:17

kids get to come and serve and give back, to the organization.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:22

and it's really about a three year process is what we see for a lot of

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:26

our kids that they're with us, to really, heal and onboard, these skills.

Tim Winders: 00:48:32

And so there's many people that they would think this

Tim Winders: 00:48:35

is somewhat of a crass question, but it's, this is Business talk here.

Tim Winders: 00:48:40

What is the cost overhead, et cetera?

Tim Winders: 00:48:44

I'm sure you've probably got some degree of numbers here.

Tim Winders: 00:48:48

What is the

Tim Winders: 00:48:49

cost for either the visit or for someone that goes through the three year program

Tim Winders: 00:48:55

for one of these children that do that?

Tim Winders: 00:48:57

what do those numbers look like?

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:59

Oh, yeah.

Kim Tschirret: 00:48:59

Yeah.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:00

I mean, our budget this year is a little over 2 million, 2.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:04

2 million.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:05

And, and we've got 36 staff that do a lot of our sessions, but we also

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:10

have 200 active volunteers, Tim, that really run our operations.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:14

And so we've got an 18 horses.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:17

So it's a lot to manage, but we like to talk to people about a child.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:22

We really, kids commit and parents commit to a year.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:25

And so year one is really the most vital because that's when they are in the most

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:29

extreme trauma and they really need to come weekly, which ends up being about 40

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:34

sessions, you know, throughout the year.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:36

And it costs us about 18, 000.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:39

And that's a direct cost of like number of kids, not, you know, how

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:44

many sessions and cost per session.

Kim Tschirret: 00:49:47

So if people want to sponsor a kid, it costs about 18, 000 a year.

Tim Winders: 00:49:50

And so many people, when we talk situations like this, they will

Tim Winders: 00:49:55

say money is our biggest challenge.

Tim Winders: 00:49:59

I don't think that

Tim Winders: 00:50:00

way, just so you know, because I'm looking at,

Tim Winders: 00:50:03

you know, 36 staff, 200 volunteers, property, you know, it's not as

Tim Winders: 00:50:08

if y'all are doing this in a small storefront, you're doing it on

Tim Winders: 00:50:12

a piece of land.

Tim Winders: 00:50:13

What would be your Biggest barriers, challenges, et cetera.

Tim Winders: 00:50:18

Or if someone is thinking about doing this, what would be

Tim Winders: 00:50:22

some of the biggest things that they will, they can consider?

Tim Winders: 00:50:24

And I know your location is in a different place than someone who

Tim Winders: 00:50:28

might be wanting to get started, but what are some of the challenges?

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:33

Well, I think our challenges today, I really tend to

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:36

be more going back to what you talk about the pace and our leadership.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:41

and we only have, we have this many hours for a leader and where should

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:47

they be spending that time, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:48

Like, we have some of our staff that have been with us for 15 years.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:51

They have all the knowledge, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:53

They're the ones.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:54

That are stepping into the academy and doing a lot of this training.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:57

Right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:58

But they're also running operations.

Kim Tschirret: 00:50:59

So, you know, it's for, for, Barb and I are COO.

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:03

It's like, where, where is the best place to deploy the resources that we have?

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:08

and then I think a lot of times, you know, sometimes we end up being the

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:12

bottleneck, right, because we only have so much capacity and then at the same

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:17

time, we're, we're telling ourselves right now, Hey man, let's just slow down.

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:22

Who's setting this pace, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:24

So for people, especially in the beginning, you know, we Everybody

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:27

always wants to know how do I do a session and where do I get a horse?

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:31

And it's and you know what, you know what we do with our Academy.

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:33

our first course The first module is business.

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:37

The second is leadership and the third is operations so we don't

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:41

even tell you anything about horses or kids Until our third module,

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:47

because none of that matters.

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:49

If you don't have the right structure and the right foundation and a good business

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:53

plan and a way to talk to people to invest and you're assessing where are you as

Kim Tschirret: 00:51:58

a leader and where are your skills and where do you need to bring people with

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:02

different skills in, you know what I mean?

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:04

And just take the time that you need to build things the right way.

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:09

And, that's really the, the, the biggest key learning is I

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:12

think we've driven ourselves too hard at different time periods.

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:17

And I would offer to people not to do that.

Tim Winders: 00:52:19

So right now you have people on your staff that are really

Tim Winders: 00:52:22

working within your operations and then they're turning around and teaching etc

Tim Winders: 00:52:31

People can't do that.

Tim Winders: 00:52:33

They're either operations or academy.

Tim Winders: 00:52:35

Have y'all run at all into there's some people that are better at teaching it

Tim Winders: 00:52:41

and some that are better at operations or will it eventually be two separate

Tim Winders: 00:52:49

Things.

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:53

That's their

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:54

job is the Academy.

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:55

But the way we look at it is we have subject matter

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:58

experts on our staff, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:52:59

Like if we're talking about how to train a horse, I'm not going to

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:03

be the person to do that training, that will be our director of

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:06

operations or equine manager, right?

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:08

Because that's their area of expertise.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:10

And then you're right.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:11

There's some people that are really good at teaching and some that aren't.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:15

But, we just have our core group of subject matter experts, that really

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:19

do a lot of the video curriculum.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:22

And then we have our two staff that are working with our current ranches,

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:26

34, we're excited we have 34, that are working on building a program right now.

Tim Winders: 00:53:31

So, tell me about the academy.

Tim Winders: 00:53:35

How many people have

Tim Winders: 00:53:37

been through it?

Tim Winders: 00:53:38

How many people are interested?

Tim Winders: 00:53:39

What's the type of person?

Tim Winders: 00:53:41

I mean, you told your story, your background and your interest in

Tim Winders: 00:53:45

horses kind of came together.

Tim Winders: 00:53:48

Is that required for someone that's interested in doing this or, you know,

Tim Winders: 00:53:52

tell, tell me a little bit more about

Tim Winders: 00:53:53

that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:55

Yeah, it's not.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:56

I mean, we've had like we beta test everything that we do, Tim.

Kim Tschirret: 00:53:59

we build and then we test.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:01

And so we did virtual trainings for three years and had 90

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:04

people that went through that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:05

And we had quite a few people that started there.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:08

And now we've built a formal, academy with an LMS and a video course.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:12

curriculum, called the essentials.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:14

That's everything you need to know from year zero to three, how to start

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:18

yourself up and open your doors.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:20

And, I would say it seems that the people who, are called to this

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:25

tend to be people more like me.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:28

Like maybe they had a horse when they were a kid, or maybe

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:30

they always had a dream of that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:33

They've had some sort of emotional issue, trauma, maybe somebody in their life.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:38

because I do think it is a calling.

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:40

and then I think that a lot of times the people sometimes who are called,

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:44

they're not the only person because they're not going to have all the

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:47

skill set, you know what I mean?

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:49

They, you've got to find, this is one of our encouragements in the beginning

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:52

is we're big on assessments, test yourself, what are your strengths and

Kim Tschirret: 00:54:56

weaknesses, and then go find people to walk with you in your areas of weakness.

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:02

Yeah, and we have again, 34 people that are in the essentials right now

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:07

and, uh, and very excited that they're working on building their own ranch.

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:11

Our goal, Tim, is to launch 200 ranches.

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:15

So by 2035.

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:17

running, and we've got a woman in Iceland, we've got somebody in Germany, we've

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:22

got people all over the United States.

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:24

They're just, you know, however they find out about us primarily

Kim Tschirret: 00:55:27

through the book or hear about us.

Tim Winders: 00:55:29

Our son just circumvented Iceland on a cruise.

Tim Winders: 00:55:33

He flew from where we were here to, he's 30 years old, and he

Tim Winders: 00:55:37

was invited to come on a cruise.

Tim Winders: 00:55:39

And so he went to Reykjavik and went around there.

Tim Winders: 00:55:41

Very interesting.

Tim Winders: 00:55:43

Is there a, I don't want to say a profile, that's not the right Term is

Tim Winders: 00:55:50

there is there anything any common?

Tim Winders: 00:55:53

Traits characteristics, etc.

Tim Winders: 00:55:55

That because I'm going to ask you if there's that and if it's

Tim Winders: 00:55:59

yes, if it's no, that's fine

Tim Winders: 00:56:00

and then i'm going to allow you to give Whatever it is.

Tim Winders: 00:56:03

It's on your heart.

Tim Winders: 00:56:04

That might be a need for what your organization is

Tim Winders: 00:56:07

doing.

Tim Winders: 00:56:07

But what type person?

Tim Winders: 00:56:10

Might need to reach out to you if they're like going, you

Tim Winders: 00:56:12

know, this is intriguing to me.

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:16

Well, I think anybody who's intrigued should reach out

Tim Winders: 00:56:19

Good answer.

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:20

because you just never know.

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:22

And the other exciting thing is, even if you're not, maybe you're somebody who

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:26

works with horses and veterans, or you work with horses and, a different type

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:30

of audience, we can help you as well.

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:32

And we're coming out with our horsemanship, our methodology and

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:35

how we train our horses, which is going to be really exciting

Kim Tschirret: 00:56:39

for a broader audience for us.

Tim Winders: 00:56:41

All right.

Tim Winders: 00:56:42

So having said all of that, I'm going to give you some time here, Kim.

Tim Winders: 00:56:47

Speaking of the microphone, what do you need?

Tim Winders: 00:56:50

What is a desire?

Tim Winders: 00:56:51

What is something that if someone's listening in, they've listened in

Tim Winders: 00:56:54

this long and you just wanted to speak to them, what would you say?

Tim Winders: 00:56:59

and maybe in the same breath, say how they can connect with

Tim Winders: 00:57:01

you and reach out and websites

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:03

hmm.

Tim Winders: 00:57:03

or anything like that.

Tim Winders: 00:57:04

So you've, you've got.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:08

I think for maybe you're not interested

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:10

in starting something similar.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:12

I will tell you that right now we have 80 kids that are

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:14

waiting to get into our program.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:16

So they're in the highest trauma.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:19

They need to get into our services 4 million between

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:25

now and the end of the year.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:26

to fund these 80 kids so that they can start in our program.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:30

And so you can sponsor a kid.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:32

You can sponsor, you know, whatever you can, but we need that support

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:37

to make sure that all of these kids, can get into our program.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:40

And, if you're interested in knowing more about the Academy, we've

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:44

got an offer for your audience.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:45

If you go to Hope Reins, Tim said, r e i n s dot o r g.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:50

Backslash podcast, you can sign up to, join our newsletter to get

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:55

the stories of the ranch, just like the one I shared about Lily.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:57

We send them out once a week.

Kim Tschirret: 00:57:59

you can download a free copy of the Joey book.

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:01

If that's something that you're interested in, we're giving away free copies of that.

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:05

and then you can find out more about our Academy and what does this look like?

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:08

And how could you possibly help me?

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:10

we just want to help more people.

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:12

So that more kids have access to hope and healing in their community.

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:16

That's the most important thing.

Tim Winders: 00:58:18

And I'm actually, I've got it pulled up right here now.

Tim Winders: 00:58:22

Horses, mentors, Jesus, beautiful picture there.

Tim Winders: 00:58:24

That's where someone could go to donate them on the donate page currently.

Tim Winders: 00:58:28

So that's where they could go.

Kim Tschirret: 00:58:30

Yep.

Tim Winders: 00:58:31

the sponsor of the step one and

Tim Winders: 00:58:32

step two is a 16, 000.

Tim Winders: 00:58:35

And I would know some resources of people that listened in that

Tim Winders: 00:58:38

actually could be something that they could sponsor someone for that.

Tim Winders: 00:58:42

Well, We will include the links to those, Kim.

Tim Winders: 00:58:45

I appreciate you sharing that and I did look at the page also where Someone could

Tim Winders: 00:58:50

get the book and sign up and there I believe that there could be Some interest

Tim Winders: 00:58:55

from that from people that listen in so we'll expect people to do that Kim.

Tim Winders: 00:58:59

We are Seek go create those three words If I were to allow you to choose one of

Tim Winders: 00:59:08

those And why, which would you choose?

Tim Winders: 00:59:12

Seek, go or create?

Tim Winders: 00:59:13

My last question.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:16

Oh, for sure.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:17

Seek.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:17

I've gone, gone, gone.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:19

Go, go, go.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:20

And, and created.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:22

And like I said, it's Psalm 25.

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:24

I'm just in a posture of really seeking, waiting on the Lord and letting him

Kim Tschirret: 00:59:28

guide our path and what the next steps are and trying not to be the driver.

Tim Winders: 00:59:33

I so enjoy hearing stories of people that are doing,

Tim Winders: 00:59:37

you know, it, we say they're unique.

Tim Winders: 00:59:39

Not, not everything is that unique.

Tim Winders: 00:59:41

This is actually unique to me.

Tim Winders: 00:59:42

this is what got my attention when it came across my desk.

Tim Winders: 00:59:45

You know, I'm looking at hopereigns.

Tim Winders: 00:59:47

org now.

Tim Winders: 00:59:47

Make sure if you're still listening in, go check that out.

Tim Winders: 00:59:50

Go check out all that they're doing.

Tim Winders: 00:59:52

Because this is a great story.

Tim Winders: 00:59:55

This is a great cause.

Tim Winders: 00:59:56

This is something that other people need to be aware of.

Tim Winders: 01:00:00

So I'm excited.

Tim Winders: 01:00:01

I was able to have the conversation with you.

Tim Winders: 01:00:03

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Tim Winders: 01:00:06

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Tim Winders: 01:00:20

It's been a little bit unique having the leadership conversation around the

Tim Winders: 01:00:23

ministry, but I've enjoyed it thoroughly.

Tim Winders: 01:00:26

until next time, continue being all that you were created to be.